Is Kanye West one of the best artists ever?

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#1 Blabadon
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In my opinion? Yes. I was looking at various wikis involving his albums and heard some of his great songs I haven't heard (Diamonds From Sierra Leone :shock: OMG so good), and looking at all his inspirations from the weirdest bands and rap groups.

I saw some parts where he had 75% of an album done and scrapped it and started over because it wasn't good enough. When one of his albums got leaked, he used it as an oppurtunity to go back and re-write and polish over his songs by adding new instruments, samples, a whole bunch of stuff.

He doesn't sell out to mainstream, he goes where he wants with his album and is just amazing at it. Sure he revolves a lot around "arrogance is bliss" and often gets in trouble for it (2009 VMAs *ahem*), but he puts that arrogance into music so well and makes it better. In short, he gets his will across beautifully.

In 2004, when gangsta rap was prevalent, he released the masterpiece The College Dropout. It had art, soul, composure and more in it. Just great. And this album is just pure genius, best of last year:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Beautiful_Dark_Twisted_Fantasy

Oh, and one more thing. In my opinion, he is one of the best, if not the best,beat makers ever. I think that haters of him or rap should at least agree on this, he's so amazingly diverse and powerful with his beats, something that I think the other rap albums of 2010 lacked (Recovery was pop-centric, Man on The Man 2 used more heavy, depressing beats with some really good exceptions, and Thank Me Later actually used diverse beats, but mostly relied on lyrics because the beats weren't too great. I am missing some big ones like Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty, and Rick Ross' album, but add to this then)

So is he one of the best ever? What's his best and worst album? Favorite song?

OH, and please add plenty of "Yo _____, imma let you finish and all, but _____ had one of the best ______ of all time!" jokes!

EDITED: Added Poll, added extra opionated information shoved down your throat, and fixed some spelling and grammar mistakes.

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#2 Chiddaling
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No.
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#3 AutoPilotOn
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I dont have to read any of that to say no, horrible.
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#4 Asim90
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No.Chiddaling

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#5 funsohng
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He's one of the rappers I can tolerate along with Eminem, but no, I don't think he's even close to being one of the best artists ever.
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#6 ExoticAnimal
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His ego is so big, not even the universe could contain it. :P Simply, no. There are better artists out there.

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#7 dakan45
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His ego thinks that he is, apart from that...nope.
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#8 paradigm68
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Not a bad artist, yet he is nowhere near to best to any extent.
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#9 Big_Bad_Sad
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No.Chiddaling
Summed it up in one word.
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#10 AvatarMan96
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How can I put this nicely.....definitely not

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#11 DivergeUnify
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No but he's pretty damn good; His production is extremely slick and he's a decent( not amazing) rapper
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#12 DubbStan
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his music sucks all kinds of crap but ppl get caught up in his ego. for someone to say the "he's so real" statement instantly classes them as douchebags imo
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#13 BluRayHiDef
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Hell no.

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#14 TacticalDesire
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No, and if he could become a little more likable perhaps he would help himself out.

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#15 RAGINGxPONY
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hes very good, but no way is he one of the best artists imo

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#16 weezyfb
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yes he is up there
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#17 Blackjack9288
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I guess it depends on who you ask.
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#18 coltsfan4ever
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He's not one of the best ever. But i love his music. He killed it with his latest album. I really dont care about the stuff he does in the media. I think its funny and dont see a problem with his ego like so many others do. As long as he keeps putting out good music Im happy.

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#19 coltsfan4ever
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his music sucks all kinds of crap but ppl get caught up in his ego. for someone to say the "he's so real" statement instantly classes them as douchebags imoDubbStan
What makes his music suck?

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#20 ultraking
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he likes fishsticks

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#21 MRBUCKMASTER
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No, he is a gay fish though.
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#22 AutoPilotOn
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[QUOTE="DubbStan"]his music sucks all kinds of crap but ppl get caught up in his ego. for someone to say the "he's so real" statement instantly classes them as douchebags imocoltsfan4ever

What makes his music suck?

The noise
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#23 GreySeal9
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I wouldn't say one of the best ever, but definitely one of the best these days. His music has tons of creative musical ideas. He can be pretty clever as a lyricist as well.

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[QUOTE="coltsfan4ever"]

[QUOTE="DubbStan"]his music sucks all kinds of crap but ppl get caught up in his ego. for someone to say the "he's so real" statement instantly classes them as douchebags imoAutoPilotOn

What makes his music suck?

The noise

:roll:

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#25 muffincakes87
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Best thing since the history of ever.

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#26 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="coltsfan4ever"]

[QUOTE="DubbStan"]his music sucks all kinds of crap but ppl get caught up in his ego. for someone to say the "he's so real" statement instantly classes them as douchebags imoAutoPilotOn

What makes his music suck?

The noise

I hope you're not a metal fan.

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#27 MgamerBD
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Yes...yes he is. OT is just known for hating rappers. But he is amazing.
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ewwww
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#29 raven_squad
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Definitely not one of the best artists ever, no. Still, he is very talented and I enjoy his music regardless of his ego.
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#30 AutoPilotOn
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"][QUOTE="coltsfan4ever"]What makes his music suck?

The noise

I hope you're not a metal fan.

Why?
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#31 00Killaz00
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If were talking modern day artists... that goes to Matthew Bellamy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KQmps-Sog One of their best songs.

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#32 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"] The noise AutoPilotOn

I hope you're not a metal fan.

Why?

Because "noise" is a far better description of a lot of metall music than it is of Kanye West.

You think thishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elVF7oG0pQsis noise?

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#33 JC346
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Absolutely not.
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#34 theBeorn
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you must listen to very few good artists (or any at all) if you think Kanye West is one of the best EVER.
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#35 AutoPilotOn
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I hope you're not a metal fan.

Why?

Because "noise" is a far better description of a lot of metall music than it is of Kanye West.

You think thishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elVF7oG0pQsis noise?

Unfortunitly I cant watch youtube from where I am. But I'd much rather listen to some metal or rock than any rap or whatever Kanye is. I dont care how "artistic" some people say he is.
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#36 Blabadon
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Just wondering, how many people actually read the OP?

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#37 aransom
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I just barely found out Kanye actually made music. I just thought his job was to show up at award shows and made an a-- out of himself.

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#38 Lto_thaG
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Just wondering, how many people actually read the OP?

Blabadon
Who reads the OP?
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#39 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"] Why? AutoPilotOn

Because "noise" is a far better description of a lot of metall music than it is of Kanye West.

You think thishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elVF7oG0pQsis noise?

Unfortunitly I cant watch youtube from where I am. But I'd much rather listen to some metal or rock than any rap or whatever Kanye is. I dont care how "artistic" some people say he is.

You can listen to whatever you want---preference is preference---but you really dont't seem able to eplain why it sucks. Noise is just not an adequate answer when his music has tons of melodious elements and elements of other genres tied into it.

What songs of his make you think it is "noise"?

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#40 CannedWorms
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He's racist. He's arrogant. He's an attention whore. However, apart from him being a racist, I don't mind his personality. So what he has an ego? At least entertainment ensues from it. His previous albums were good (although I thought Graduation was iffy), but he nailed it with MBDTF. Great album - probably my second favourite album of 2010, after The Suburbs. Monster is probably his best song (imo).

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#41 00Killaz00
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[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Because "noise" is a far better description of a lot of metall music than it is of Kanye West.

You think thishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elVF7oG0pQsis noise?

GreySeal9

Unfortunitly I cant watch youtube from where I am. But I'd much rather listen to some metal or rock than any rap or whatever Kanye is. I dont care how "artistic" some people say he is.

You can listen to whatever you want---preference is preference---but you really dont't seem able to eplain why it sucks. Noise is just not an adequate answer when his music has tons of melodies and elements of other genres tied into it.

Well I don't like him 'cause he's not Matthew Bellamy.

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#42 coltsfan4ever
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"] Why? AutoPilotOn

Because "noise" is a far better description of a lot of metall music than it is of Kanye West.

You think thishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elVF7oG0pQsis noise?

Unfortunitly I cant watch youtube from where I am. But I'd much rather listen to some metal or rock than any rap or whatever Kanye is. I dont care how "artistic" some people say he is.

If you dont like his music thats cool but to say its crap because you dont like him or rap is absurd. I dont like metal or rock but I dont go around calling it or the artists who perform it crap. Its just not my type of music and I leave it at that.

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#43 wwefanforlife
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No, I think Tinie Tempah is better.

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#44 StealthMonkey4
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He's a motherf***ing lyrical genius.:P

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#45 Gibsonsg527
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No not even close.

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#46 Smug_Duckling
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No. His lyrics suck and his delivery is among the weakest in the industry.
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#47 AutoPilotOn
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Because "noise" is a far better description of a lot of metall music than it is of Kanye West.

You think thishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elVF7oG0pQsis noise?

Unfortunitly I cant watch youtube from where I am. But I'd much rather listen to some metal or rock than any rap or whatever Kanye is. I dont care how "artistic" some people say he is.

You can listen to whatever you want---preference is preference---but you really dont't seem able to eplain why it sucks. Noise is just not an adequate answer when his music has tons of melodious elements and elements of other genres tied into it.

What songs of his make you think it is "noise"?

To tell you the truth I never listened to a whole song. If he was on radio or anything I would change it. But this is a forum and a thread about "if kanye the best ever" no facts are needed to state an opinion. Maybe I should of started off with IMO
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#48 Mr_Alexander
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He IS the voice of this generation of this decade.
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#49 bigdcstile
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Best? Don't know how you'd really quantify best. I like him and the music he puts out, less his lyrical ability and flow but the music is pretty amazing.
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#50 krayzieE99
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gangsta rap prevalent in 2004? LOL it was prevalent in the 90's. most rap is garbage these days. its all bubble gum rap now.