Is killing a bird with a BB gun morally wrong?

Yes, yes it is. You shot it out of boredom, and that was a horrible thing to do. The only time you should kill an animal is when you're hunting for sport, or food. At least you felt remorseful about it.JustPlainLucas

Or in self defense or against common pests like mice, etc.

I agree with you though,

Edit: except for the sport part. That is, as pianist pointed out, equivalent to shooting something for entertainment or on a whim.

Yes, yes it is. You shot it out of boredom, and that was a horrible thing to do. The only time you should kill an animal is when you're hunting for sport, or food. At least you felt remorseful about it.JustPlainLucas

Is that not exactly what he did? Why do sport hunters hunt? For entertainment... and entertainment is our way of eliminating boredom. There certainly isn't any other purpose served by sport hunting.

Food hunting is a different thing entirely, of course.

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]Yes, yes it is. You shot it out of boredom, and that was a horrible thing to do. The only time you should kill an animal is when you're hunting for sport, or food. At least you felt remorseful about it.pianist

Is that not exactly what he did? Why do sport hunters hunt? For entertainment... and entertainment is our way of eliminating boredom. There certainly isn't any other purpose served by sport hunting.

Food hunting is a different thing entirely, of course.

Sport hunters hunt for to get the largest animal or the animal with the most antlers. IMO it's a waste.

I hunt to get the meat that you could not get in a super market, And should never be able to get in a super market. You want venison backstrap go out and get it with a gun in hand.

Yes, yes it is. You shot it out of boredom, and that was a horrible thing to do. The only time you should kill an animal is when you're hunting for sport, or food. At least you felt remorseful about it.JustPlainLucas

That's kind of correct but kind of not correct. I wasn't exactly bored at the moment. At the very back of my house is the utility room, which has the washer and dryer and a big (about 10ft wide) sliding window that looks into the backyard. In one corner of the utility room we have all kinds of stuff stacked and stashed such as: brooms, vacuums, old car parts, and my co2 powered rifle bb gun. I was putting my clothes into the dryer and for a split second, saw the bird and theBB gun and just did it without thinking really. At first I thought "OMG, I actually hit the target", because I'm not the best aimer when it comes to guns. But as mentioned before, I felt real guilty for taking its life.

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]Yes, yes it is. You shot it out of boredom, and that was a horrible thing to do. The only time you should kill an animal is when you're hunting for sport, or food. At least you felt remorseful about it.pianist

Is that not exactly what he did? Why do sport hunters hunt? For entertainment... and entertainment is our way of eliminating boredom. There certainly isn't any other purpose served by sport hunting.

Food hunting is a different thing entirely, of course.

At least hunting for sport is planned out and controlled. You get a license, you get a quota, and you go to a range or designated area. Shooting a bird in your backyard because it's there is something entirely different.

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[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]Yes, yes it is. You shot it out of boredom, and that was a horrible thing to do. The only time you should kill an animal is when you're hunting for sport, or food. At least you felt remorseful about it.JustPlainLucas

Is that not exactly what he did? Why do sport hunters hunt? For entertainment... and entertainment is our way of eliminating boredom. There certainly isn't any other purpose served by sport hunting.

Food hunting is a different thing entirely, of course.

At least hunting for sport is planned out and controlled. You get a license, you get a quota, and you go to a range or designated area. Shooting a bird in your backyard because it's there is something entirely different.

I don't think so. If there's a quota, you're killing more than 1 animal (which is all this guy did). In that way, hunting for sport is worse. The fact that it is controlled doesn't change the fact that it is wanton and unnecessary. A range or designated area is no different from private property in this argument of morality.

At least hunting for sport is planned out and controlled. You get a license, you get a quota, and you go to a range or designated area. Shooting a bird in your backyard because it's there is something entirely different.JustPlainLucas

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]At least hunting for sport is planned out and controlled. You get a license, you get a quota, and you go to a range or designated area. Shooting a bird in your backyard because it's there is something entirely different.Sunsha

What's funny is that I don't even like the idea of hunting for sport, but I do recognize it as a sport, therefore logically I cannot classify it to myself as senseless killing. Hunters bring back trophies. They bring back pelts, antlers, carcass, meat, etc. All this kid did was kill a bird because it was there, and then bury the bird, so yeah, it is different.

What's funny is that I don't even like the idea of hunting for sport, but I do recognize it as a sport, therefore logically I cannot classify it to myself as senseless killing. Hunters bring back trophies. They bring back pelts, antlers, carcass, meat, etc. All this kid did was kill a bird because it was there, and then bury the bird, so yeah, it is different.JustPlainLucas

What's funny is that I don't even like the idea of hunting for sport, but I do recognize it as a sport, therefore logically I cannot classify it to myself as senseless killing. Hunters bring back trophies. They bring back pelts, antlers, carcass, meat, etc. All this kid did was kill a bird because it was there, and then bury the bird, so yeah, it is different.

JustPlainLucas

Hmm, I really can't agree with this. What about serial killers who take 'trophies' from each of their victims? I believe the point Sunsha was making is that an animal's life ought to be considered as valuable as a human's life, because in the end, we're ALL just animals, and have no right to take existence away from another being for entertainment. Obviously, existence is more fundamentally important than entertainment.

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]

What's funny is that I don't even like the idea of hunting for sport, but I do recognize it as a sport, therefore logically I cannot classify it to myself as senseless killing. Hunters bring back trophies. They bring back pelts, antlers, carcass, meat, etc. All this kid did was kill a bird because it was there, and then bury the bird, so yeah, it is different.

pianist

Hmm, I really can't agree with this. What about serial killers who take 'trophies' from each of their victims? I believe the point Sunsha was making is that an animal's life ought to be considered as valuable as a human's life, because in the end, we're ALL just animals, and have no right to take existence away from another being for entertainment. Obviously, existence is more fundamentally important than entertainment.

Where in the world did you come from? I'm not posting this to poke at your postings, but I've never seen anyone on OT post such philosophical responses. Are you studying anywhere for philosophy? Just curious. No offense intended.

Where in the world did you come from? I'm not posting this to poke at your postings, but I've never seen anyone on OT post such philosophical responses. Are you studying anywhere for philosophy? Just curious. No offense intended.jt222_us

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]

What's funny is that I don't even like the idea of hunting for sport, but I do recognize it as a sport, therefore logically I cannot classify it to myself as senseless killing. Hunters bring back trophies. They bring back pelts, antlers, carcass, meat, etc. All this kid did was kill a bird because it was there, and then bury the bird, so yeah, it is different.

pianist

Hmm, I really can't agree with this. What about serial killers who take 'trophies' from each of their victims? I believe the point Sunsha was making is that an animal's life ought to be considered as valuable as a human's life, because in the end, we're ALL just animals, and have no right to take existence away from another being for entertainment. Obviously, existence is more fundamentally important than entertainment.

Ok, I'm going to put extra emphasis on this. I do not like the idea of hunting for sport. I'm merely trying to draw a line of what seperates going out to kill something for sport and going out to kill something because it's there. There's a difference also in the fact serial killers who take 'trophies' are killing their own kind, and thus breaking a law. There is no law in killing animals for sport, provided of course you follow the laws that govern the sport (quotas, etc). I already understand that there are people who view hunting as wrong, as I myself have said I don't like hunting. I just want everyone to understand why I listed sport as one of the few reasons you should kill an animal. Again, I'm not condoning, I'm just explaining.

[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]

What's funny is that I don't even like the idea of hunting for sport, but I do recognize it as a sport, therefore logically I cannot classify it to myself as senseless killing. Hunters bring back trophies. They bring back pelts, antlers, carcass, meat, etc. All this kid did was kill a bird because it was there, and then bury the bird, so yeah, it is different.

JustPlainLucas

Hmm, I really can't agree with this. What about serial killers who take 'trophies' from each of their victims? I believe the point Sunsha was making is that an animal's life ought to be considered as valuable as a human's life, because in the end, we're ALL just animals, and have no right to take existence away from another being for entertainment. Obviously, existence is more fundamentally important than entertainment.

Ok, I'm going to put extra emphasis on this. I do not like the idea of hunting for sport. I'm merely trying to draw a line of what seperates going out to kill something for sport and going out to kill something because it's there. There's a difference also in the fact serial killers who take 'trophies' are killing their own kind, and thus breaking a law. There is no law in killing animals for sport, provided of course you follow the laws that govern the sport (quotas, etc). I already understand that there are people who view hunting as wrong, as I myself have said I don't like hunting. I just want everyone to understand why I listed sport as one of the few reasons you should kill an animal. Again, I'm not condoning, I'm just explaining.

are you suggesting that that right and wrong are determined by the legality of the act?

Some people on GS are seriously messed up i swear:? like the "haha well done" comments and the "who cares its only a bird", man.....narrowmindedness at its utmost FTW.

Yes it was morally wrong...why did you kill it for? THINK before you act. Its a living creature can i remind you and just because its smaller does not mean it is any less insignificant. The ONLY time it is "acceptable" imho to kill an animal is for food IF YOU HAVE NOT OTHER CHOICE....because it then steers towards survival of the fittest. TO kill for "sport" is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard.....does that mean i can kill people for sport...? No thats not right is it...? Why? We are ALL animals, other animals have not the ability to speak therefore we find it acceptable to kill them because they cannot express their distain and the ill-being you have caused by killing its peer....so its ok in this ignorant world.

THINK before you act and remember these are living creatures that deserve to onl be killed by the ways of the world..ie: the food chain etc not by some random guy popping a cap in its head. The fact taht you feel bad is at least a sign that you realise my points to be true, you at least have a heart from what i can tell, which is more than i can say for other members. Just dont do it again bro, you know im right :)

/rant :)

yes its cruel

the cold blooded killing of animals can not be justified unless it is for survival, I hope all his Bro's come round when you are sleeping and peck your eyes out

Nah, men are naturally hunters and gatherers. I used to kill birds with b-b guns all the time when I was a kid and I still would but people would think I was crazy since im not a kid anymore @_@.nooblet69

No need to hunt in today's society unless you're really poor or are in some tribe or something. So yeah, hunting needlesly and for sport is wrong.

Well the Satanist in me says that you have no right taking a poor animals life. The realist says it won't make one bit of difference, people die in vain every day. X360PS3AMD05

Hmm laveyan satanism says to indulge humanistic urges. One of those urges can be to kill. But then again, Laveyan so called satanism is filled with contradictions.

shooting anything with any gun is so ridiculously stupid, go find something better to do.Devvy01

Yeah, if someone breaks into my house, I would be so stupid to shoot them. (that's sarcasm in case you didn't know)

A gun is only as good or bad as the person holding it.

reminds me of something in school that happened a while ago... we were all throwing sticks at the sea-gulss... mainly cause we were bored but also cause they always poop on us.

The sea-gulls could basicly just easily avoid all the sticks ad after a good 15 minutes noe of us had had any luck. I threw up a massive stick and it missed the sea-gull I was going for by a long way but when it started to fall it hit a bird which must have flown under neath it. It kinda dragged the bird down and smashed it into the floor and killed it.... everyone kept calling me snide.... It was a great hit though and the bird was totally dead :twisted:

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]

What's funny is that I don't even like the idea of hunting for sport, but I do recognize it as a sport, therefore logically I cannot classify it to myself as senseless killing. Hunters bring back trophies. They bring back pelts, antlers, carcass, meat, etc. All this kid did was kill a bird because it was there, and then bury the bird, so yeah, it is different.

pianist

Hmm, I really can't agree with this. What about serial killers who take 'trophies' from each of their victims? I believe the point Sunsha was making is that an animal's life ought to be considered as valuable as a human's life, because in the end, we're ALL just animals, and have no right to take existence away from another being for entertainment. Obviously, existence is more fundamentally important than entertainment.

I don't agree that an animals life is as valuable as a human's life. As a human being, your responsibility is to ensure the survival of other human beings before the survival of other animals. Given the choice between saving a human child and a baby fawn, I'm going to have no qualms at all about choosing to save the child over the fawn.

I think it's also important to understand that hunting serves a practical purpose. It is used to control the populations of certain species so that the carrying capacity of a given area is not exceeded. This in turn ensures the survival and well being of other species, and in some cases the health and saftey of human beings. I live in Ohio and even with hunting allowed I can remember a few times when the deer have become overpopulated.

That isn't to say that people should be allowed to kill any animal they want anytime they want. I mentioned in another post that I believe what the OP did was morally wrong. Shooting that bird was nothing more than a malicious act that served no purpose.

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]

What's funny is that I don't even like the idea of hunting for sport, but I do recognize it as a sport, therefore logically I cannot classify it to myself as senseless killing. Hunters bring back trophies. They bring back pelts, antlers, carcass, meat, etc. All this kid did was kill a bird because it was there, and then bury the bird, so yeah, it is different.

giton

Hmm, I really can't agree with this. What about serial killers who take 'trophies' from each of their victims? I believe the point Sunsha was making is that an animal's life ought to be considered as valuable as a human's life, because in the end, we're ALL just animals, and have no right to take existence away from another being for entertainment. Obviously, existence is more fundamentally important than entertainment.

Ok, I'm going to put extra emphasis on this.I do not like the idea of hunting for sport.

are you suggesting that that right and wrong are determined by the legality of the act?

Just because the law allows it doesn't mean I feel it's right.

The only time it's morally right to kill an animal if it poses a threat to your life, or another life. Hunting is killing for pleasure. So is eating meat. Is meat necessary? No, it's not. Well, I should clarify, for most of us it isn't. I do recognize that some cultures and less advanced civilizations still rely on hunting for meat as a main food source. But for most people, eating meat is a desire. So therefore you are killing another animal out of desire.

The only time it's morally right to kill an animal if it poses a threat to your life, or another life. Hunting is killing for pleasure. So is eating meat. Is meat necessary? No, it's not. Well, I should clarify, for most of us it isn't. I do recognize that some cultures and less advanced civilizations still rely on hunting for meat as a main food source. But for most people, eating meat is a desire. So therefore you are killing another animal out of desire.

GettingTired

have you ever eaten meat? meat is the best source of protein for a developing human. perhaps it is a vegetarian diet that you can blame for GettingTired.

[QUOTE="GettingTired"]

The only time it's morally right to kill an animal if it poses a threat to your life, or another life. Hunting is killing for pleasure. So is eating meat. Is meat necessary? No, it's not. Well, I should clarify, for most of us it isn't. I do recognize that some cultures and less advanced civilizations still rely on hunting for meat as a main food source. But for most people, eating meat is a desire. So therefore you are killing another animal out of desire.

giton

have you ever eaten meat? meat is the best source of protein for a developing human. perhaps it is a vegetarian diet that you can blame for GettingTired.

And quite frankly, there is nothing better than a Grade A New York strip steak. 8)

I once muderised and ate a squirel. Im going to hell now...

Killing for fun...yes. Killing for food....no.yucky_straw

He'll use it as worm food :lol:

I knew a guy who used to shoot little kids on halloween with a BB gun. :|SaintBlaze

Now THAT'S what I call an idea!

Of course it was wrong but if you fell bad then its your problem lol

Killing for fun...yes. Killing for food....no.yucky_straw

If you can afford food and have access to it, hunting for food is wrong.

[QUOTE="yucky_straw"]Killing for fun...yes. Killing for food....no.Trashface

If you can afford food and have access to it, hunting for food is wrong.

Why is hunting wrong if you have access to food at a store? The meat that I buy at a store still comes from an animal that has been killed.