Is PC the new face of Facism?

forcing political correctness, different cultures who don't respect your own will not make anyone except differences it will in fact increase the opposite. As governments push for people to accept what is alien to them they'll lean more towards fascist sentiments as you've seen its been increasing on a global scale.

I'm a minority and I'm perfectly capable of being sexist and racist. Not that I am, but it doesn't excuse me in anyway from the possibility.

how does intimidating journalists, perpetuating race hoaxes, demanding segregation and persecuting jews fit into all that?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/10/us/university-missouri-protesters-block-journalists-press-freedom.html?_r=0

http://menrec.com/black-lives-matter-caught-up-in-hate-crime-hoax/

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/25748/

http://www.thetower.org/article/in-the-safe-spaces-on-campus-no-jews-allowed/

Hardly. He actually has the balls to talk against PC... such as as wanting to stop "Illegal Immigration"... yet the left bias press make sensationalist headlines saying... "He's a racist"... wtf... I don't agree with everything he says or any politician but what he is proposing is simple and commons sense on immigration. Being against illegal immigration is not the same thing as being against immigration.

If you are trying to sneak into the country without coming in legally, most likely it's do to having something to hide... some reason your not going through the normal process that everyone else has done in their family history. The whole country is immigrants, but it shouldn't be open, you need borders. The PC police won't even let you discuss this... it's ridiculous.

The news media is the biggest antagonizer with its false headlines on everything. They leave parts out or twist things around to cause controversy, just for ratings or to fill an agenda. It's sickening.

This, so much this... The problem is there is no "Center" anymore. It's all extreme on either side. And the news pushes division. It didn't used to be that way at all.

Sounds like millennial talk. There has always been threats to human rights, our amendments, our privacy, our laws, etc. Nothing has really changed, bullying tactics...etc has been around at least since the ancient Roman empire. Basically these things are just reflections of the era. Today's media has pushed in your face many of these modern day concepts about what's wrong with *insert country here*. People get overly political correct because it's just a reflection of our own culture in current times but really nothing has changed at all. There never was a time in history when people just sat around and politely had a discussion about politics, religion or anything else and formed solutions. No that never worked and is why there has always been violence or people pushing laws to the extremes to force their point across....ya know, like some do System Wars.

Maybe the complaints were more about your fashion since it's not 1987 anymore and not so much about Slayer's lyrics. However if someone has a problem with Slayer, you should remind them that they should have a problem with movies like Children of the Corn as well since music is really just an audio version of a movie. Fictional stories and poems have little to do with the real world.

The whole "social justice" thing is bullshit from the start. It shouldn't be about dividing people into groups... this whole "Poc - people of color" thing is racist in of itself. Dviding people as a nation to hate each other and cause resentments. Racism does not = power and oppression. this is the real dictionary definition:

"The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races." --- Anyone can be racist. The quotes from some that black people or women can't be racist or sexist is crazy!!!

We should be striving to discuss and work things out. To judge based on character, not on skin color or nationality... It feels like he PC trend harnessed largely by "progressives" (which to me seem i-liberal as anything). Why is there this sudden flux to push for racial differences... that to me seems racist.. We are all people. We all have different mixes of nationalities... in other words "ALL lives matter!" - deal with it.

It's people like neogaf's queen Sarkeesian and her "Everthing, is racist, misogynistic, and sexist, and we need to point that out" ... is the problem and the sjw creed. It causes division and strife. It needs to stop! Hell I didn't even know the term "misogynistic" until that lady came about (hell, my wife didn't even know what that term meant). The far left keep putting out these definition changes and its just wrong. Don't get me wrong the far right is bad too. I don't want an end to social security and total free market... but I do want everyone to be treated like people not balkanized like the left seem to want.

I agree with everything you said. If you would of said that on NEogaf you would of been dog-piled on, then banned, and called a racist mysoginist sexist for even talking about working together. Its crazy!! It's like some doublethink from 1984.... It's driving me batty. It started in 2014 (that I seen in the mainstream) and has gotten worse ever since.

it's tribalism and it is foreign to everything i have ever believed.

every time i have seen some dumbass white criminal get his ass blown away playing stupid games i have been glad that piece of shit is dead and out of the gene pool.

the moment you say the same thing about a violent dangerous criminal asshole like mike brown who shook around a 4 foot tall immigrant shop keeper like a dog with a chop before trying to take a cops gun people act like you are the grand kraken of the aryan nation and have david dukes cell number on speed dial.

well guess what folks, im sure as shit a racist now because i am forced to believe, promote and perpetuate two separate narratives based on color of the person involved or be ostracized from polite society.

white criminal = good, im glad they are dead.

black criminal = gosh what a crime that poor victim or oppression was exterminated by a racist cop.

(pictured above, relentless victim of white oppression and hero of the movement)

@Riverwolf007:

Agreed, and it's against everything I have ever believed too. I just hope it ends soon and people actually start looking at facts and not dismissing things because the person bringing something up happen to be from a different political party or race or what not.

most of the black dudes i hang out with or work with and talk to believe mostly the same thing.

the ones going on with this stuff are just the loudest.

look at the few black guys that call out this stuff on their youtube channels.

the comments are filled with "uncle tom/ruckus" this and "coon ass kisser" that.

those guys get attacked worse than straight up racists and the reason why is that the voice of reason coming from the community is the one you must shut down first and the hardest.

i don't blame anyone for being quiet, there is very little to gain and everything to lose outside of a relatively anonymous forum.

Haha, if only. Living in the heart of the Bible Belt comes with it's own charms.

BTW the pentagram on the shirt is what draws peoples ire. I doubt they even know who Slayer is.

And you clearly don't know that right and left wing have no fixed definition outside of their historical context, that our right wing at the time was composed mainly of socialists that would be seen as left wing today, and that the meaning itself of the word "fascism" shifted from the historical context you have naively quoted without even trying to understand what you were reading (hint: even wikipedia tells you "radical authoritarian nationalism") into a more general definition of a government led by group holding all the power which suppresses all forms of opposition.

I really feel like the most vocal people in the movement are sociopaths.. That don't really care about any kind of universal ideals for every one, but are more in it to twist it for their own gain.. Many seem to have absolutely no morals what so ever and will do anything to stop opposition, no matter how unethical it is.. My personal favorite was the whole thing with ThunderF00t in which they tried to get him fired.. Which backfired massively, and the main person behind it try to blame Thunderf00t for the consquences and ask for $10,000 for supporters. Supposedly that was the amount of money they lost in damages due to him, yet some simple investigation showed that it was due to a lawsuit they lost before this entire thing happened..

I'm not sure what country you live in but in USA, Canada and Europe equal opportunity and wage equality are already in place so that you cannot discriminate based on race, sex, religious creed, place and date of birth, whatever. Even people who dislike chocolate cannot be discriminated against.

Those groups who claim they "fight" against whatever -ism or -phobia is flavor of the month are waging a war that has already been won decades ago. And since they don't have enemies anymore they make them out of thin air to continue their crusade - sometimes even if it goes against their own principles.

As for fascism - if it isn't fascist to ban (yes, ban, not block) people from twitter for being critical of feminists or forcing a fucking Nobel Prize laureate to step down from his research position over literally a joke I don't know what is.

They're not 'Hate Groups', they're simply Patriots!!!

Now you're just splitting hairs. Ok I admit I was wrong, fascism does not by definition need to be right wing, but by definition it is right wing. Happy now?

What you're describing (a centralised group holding complete power) is called totalitarianism which can be either left wing or right wing. Someone on the left can't be a fascist but they can be a totalitarian.

left can't be a fascist

Stalin was a fascist

No he wasn't. He was a totalitarian dictator, but not a fascist.

a totalitarian dictator, but not a fascist.

sounds like I am back in high-scool, what ever floates your boat, seriously ^^

PC is about the mistaken belief that everyone has the right to not be offended. Fascism is something completely different. I really wish people would stop throwing around the word if it's clear they don't have a clue what it means.

Thought policing is bordering on fascism, regardless if it is sponsored by the government or a vocal group of keyboard warriors. Bloomberg would be a near perfect fascist, Netanyahu is also a full blown fascist, but Trump is more of a nationalist. In either case, none of those people should be allowed to run a country.

There are assholes on both sides, but only one side (conservative) wants to force their way of life on you, aka are fascist; they want to take a woman's right to abortion away, a person's right to same-sex marriage, they want to reduce benefits to veterans while still war mongering, they don't like compromise and refuse to be diplomatic about anything, and they want to kick out hardworking people that benefit this country.

Yup. And all the other candidates, for that matter, simply because they're too scared to come off moderate. God forbid we have a rational, common-sense Republican.

Forcing a way of life vs forcing a way of thought. Doesn't seem like either party is being nice here.

This is the point in the argument where one of us (well, me...) goes "Yeah, but my side is right" and we start going into philosophical tangents, i.e. is an embryo really a person, how literal do we interpret the constitution, and is it ethical to allow gay marriage but allow churches still discriminate against them.

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No, largely powerless protesters and activists occasionally losing their temper and control of themselves amidst their hopelessness is not akin to fascism.

Deliberately gutting the Voting Rights Act, banning people because of religion and creed, pointing to immigration policies passed by American eugenicists and Nazi sympathizers in the first half of the 20th century as something we should long to return to, while telling lies designed to foster hate against against illegal immigrants, corporate personhood and money & speech being synonymous declared in our courts thus weakening our freedom of speech, nationalism and xenophobia ruling our elections, these are the features of fascism.

The new face of fascism is the old face of fascism and it isn't just Trump.

Political Correctness isn't new, it's been around for a while, but every few years the uppity social justice warriors like to rise up and pretend they're changing the world for the better, while actually making it worse, and not realizing this because they're fucking morons. It's a form of brainwashing, thought policing and so on and so forth. Forced diversity, censorship, twisting the meanings of words to fit narratives, hypocrisy, lying. All staples of the PC movement. Regimes like the Nazis and various communist States used these tactics often, hell so dose the US. Eventually these idiots go too far, and people will begin to jump off the bandwagon. So yes, it is a form of fascism, hidden behind a mask of fake inclusiveness and tolerance. At the very least, if it is not a form of fascism, it is certainly used by fascists states and those advancing fascists states, whether they're aware of it or not.

@Archangel3371: @Archangel3371: People who want to maintain their 1st amendment rights to say whatever they want aren't doing it because it's easier for them to be assholes. They do it because the freedom of expression, speech, to petition and gather and so on and so forth are a cornerstone of a free society and country. Having freedom of speech means people can say what they want, even offensive shit. Only a fool would slowly give away their freedom of speech so they 'feel' safer or whatever nonsense. If some offends you, deal with it like an adult who is secure with themselves and move on.

@ruthaford_jive: Freedom of speech goes both ways. In my opinion some people just like to act like assholes then when someone takes them to task on it they start crying about political correctness and saying they have the right to free speech. Well guess what, those calling them out also have free speech to do so. I'm not saying that it's all one way or the other just that this is what it looks like to me in my general observation.

@mattbbpl: @servomaster said:

@br0kenrabbit said:

There are just as many people on the right who are squelching free speech. It's not about left or right really just some people are total assholes.

You should hear some of the comments I get when I wear my Slayer shirt around town. If what people have told me is true I'm going to own hell itself.

I've seen an uptick on the left in the last few years.

In the form of this SJW, feminism, and activism.

I really think you're just becoming more acutely aware of this stuff. Take a brief glance through history (you don't have to go far, the last 50 to 100 years will provide plenty of examples). People have killed for speech they didn't like. Used physical oppression to stop ideas they didn't like

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Freedom of speech is a false belief as we can't say everything we want nor we can't do every thing we may want because we have laws that put barriers/limits to be sure the vast majority won't be oppressed.

As for the PC bullshit, well it is a new form of bullying to me and I feel like the PC crowd is in fact the one at fault by seeing racism/sexism etc etc in everything every time in everything you may say.

most of the time what you don't like in someone else is something you are guilty of... and I think this is the case here.

If you want to speak out against minorities with large blanket statements feel free to do so. The government will not come after you for it, but people are just as allowed to use their freedom of speech to criticize you for those beliefs. Particularly so if they are not based in fact.

Personally I feel we need to move the population past simply tolerating one another (which is not really a friendly word or environment to be in), and towards loving each other.

Social media is very much so THE media. Not many read newspapers any more. People go to facebook, twitter, bloggers, partisan web sites etc for their news. Sure, people still go to the web sites of the once formidable new papers for their news and op-eds. I do listen to my own local radio shows, I can't say I have picked up a news paper in some time, but the last one I did was WSJ. The Washington Times is very much a liberal leaning news paper, just like the New York Times, The Journalists who once wrote in papers have now taken to social media for their audience. Social Media is a broad umbrella term that just isn't Twitter, or facebook it is everything that its a tool that helps share information, spread ideas, provides virtual communities and networks. It is very much what THE media uses today to share its information. With that being said, there is more of a liberal leaning thought process as most of those who use these tools that I spoke of or social media are a younger generation of people. Usually, younger people are liberal.

Unfortunately, with social media and everyone having the ease of use to spread their ideas and thoughts. Some times a lot of it is misinformation, agenda based, and just plain wrong. And to top it off the amount of people who actually believe this shit is astounding, and most are young America. That is what is scary. All you need to do is go on Facebook see an article from the Onion and see how many people are so quick to actually believe it is true and run with it. Its insanity. Same with any partisan web sites that share their articles. The bottom line is we have a large amount of people who think because it is on the interwebz it must be real without doing any fact checking what so ever. We are in a time where people are no longer using their own thoughts and ideas, instead they are clinging on to some ignorant agenda based clown who puts on a good show.

Yes, he talks against PC (aka, decency) as a means of stemming the tide of people calling him out for indecency. He works the referee, like most people who complain about PC, hoping he can move the bar of decency. But the people who follow him seem to be oblivious to the fact that the 50's American culture they are so nostalgic for would be disgustingly repulsed by Donald Trump and his vulgarities. They would not tolerate a presidential candidate calling his opponents pussies and talking about how a female candidate was schlonged.

He is racist because in talking about illegal immigration he told hateful lies implying that the majority of illegal immigrants are rapists and murderers. And when supporters citing his influence beat up and urinated on a homeless Mexican man, he initially responded not by saying they were disgusting and misunderstood him, but by saying "it's a shame" but...his supporters were "passionate and love this country."

He is nativist and xenophobic because in proposing we ban a billion, almost entirely innocent people from our country, he also told lies, again designed to promote hatred, that he "saw" thousands of New Jersey Muslims praising 9/11. He also suggested we should look into registering Muslim Americans in a database.

No, undocumented Mexicans are not "trying to hide something" there were over 1.3 million Mexicans on the waiting list to get into the US in 2012, we let in less than 50,000 Mexicans in that year. Even if you have family here you will have to wait close to two decades to immigrate legally. Most come because it is the only way to come. They work, they pay into your social security with Zero chance of getting it themselves. They pay use taxes, and in general contribute in important ways to our economy. There was no way to come illegally till the 1880s, today unless you have family here or are highly skilled, there is no line for Mexicans to wait in and no way to come legally. Many Republicans want even this legal method of family based immigration to be restricted and want to go back the system prior to the 60s, a system designed by overt racists.

Too bad those people aren't just criticizing "back", they are effectively bullying their critics, trying to get them fired from their job and/or removed from the same environment they're in. Your attempt at mincing words for what SJWs are doing isn't fooling anyone - you speak quite glibly about "facts" yet you don't realize they are all stacked against you.

I'm not even going to bother answering your last phrase. I'll just say it's really impressive how disconnected from reality a person can get.

Well, shit...unless I'm doing something illegal, don't I have the right to demand that someone gets fired for (deliberately or accidentally) offending me? Some company might make an advertising campaign that I find racist or insulting, and I can complain on social media and demand that the people involve get fired. What is the problem? That company isn't actually obligated to fire anyone, they're free to tell me to go f myself. However, they are going to be concerned about loss of sales. Regardless of whether or not someone is an idiot for getting offended at something, if being offended results in loss of money to an employer then there's a good chance that someone's getting fired.

That's how "political correctness" works. Something isn't "politically correct" simply by virtue of being the kind of thing that "SJW's" latch onto. It's "politically correct" in the sense that a politician isn't gonna piss off women when he can't win the election without getting women to vote for him.

Now, granted, some people actually do cross legal boundaries and do stuff like making death threats. But for the most part, all that anyone is doing is exercising their first amendment rights. If I want to organize a boycott against some game company because of their allegedly sexist depiction of women, then that's fair game. My complaint might be a stupid one, but you're goddamn right that I have the right to complain about it, and demand that I won't be giving out any more money/votes until someone gets fired. That is not actually a problem, that's just how free speech is supposed to work. Political correctness is self-interest. If it's in your best interest to ignore the politically correct SJW critics, then that's what you'll do. People complaining about you won't matter, because the people that you're relying on for money/votes aren't the people who are complaining about you. And the people who are complaining about you aren't the people giving you money/votes.

I mean, seriously, the VAST majority of PC SJW's are acting well within their constitutional rights. Having a stupid complaint is not a crime. But if those stupid complaints result in a loss of money, then you bet your ass that someone's gonna get fired.

I think it's naive to think that equal laws mean equal opportunity. A law saying you cannot discriminate when hiring doesn't mean people can't discriminate when hiring, unless you have some unbiased law official monitor and analyze every single job interview (which is unfeasible). In my country there still appears to be systematic discrimination against mainly Moroccan youth trying to find a job, to the point that when they apply for a job over the phone they use a dutch name, just to land a job interview. There's little a law can do about that. Mind you, a law implying equal opportunity also won't stop several social contexts from affecting how people think about what their role and interests in society should be. I most certainly do not think this is solely about a majority excluding or oppressing minorities.

I do think the matter is far more complicated than minorities being oppressed or equal opportunity being a reality. There's a cultural and social mindset on the part of both the majority and minorities that limit both in what they can achieve. And that mindset doesn't change overnight and it might not even change at all in some respects. You can't stop people (minority and majority) from thinking in stereotypes and generalizations. It'd be extremely time and energy consuming to judge everyone on an individual basis. Equality will never be a reality. There are too many factors at play. And equality in law certainly won't change that.

I never said they aren't well within their constitutional rights in doing what they do. What I said is that trying to pass off what they do as something nobler than bullying is utter horseshit.

And your monetary argument is nonsense. Tim Hunt wasn't fired over fear of monetary consequences. Matt Taylor wasn't brought on TV in tears over fear that ESA's funding would be cut off.

Very true.

The solution to this however isn't to waggle your arms and make completely random statements or take positions that you claim to be "against" discrimination. Or even worse, imposing "diversity quotas" like what's happening now in the tech world. This isn't a zero sum game.

Well then the Tim Hunt thing is entirely UCL's fault, not the fault of the "SJW's" who threw a stink. No one forced UCL to make Tim Hunt resign, they were free to keep him on and tell everyone else to go get bent.

Likewise with the Matt Taylor controversy. If there was no risk of ESA losing funding and no risk of Matt Taylor getting fired, then he didn't have to apologize for shit. If he just plain wanted to apologize, that's his own call, but it sure isn't because a bunch of bullies complained about his shirt.

Agreed. While I strongly disagree with the criticism of his shirt, the idea that he was forced to apologise is simply put nothing more than a conspiracy theory.

People like to believe that teh evil feminnazis are controlling the world. When in reality they're just a group of silly people expressing their silly views through freedom of speech. If someone wants to ask for an apology that's their right to do so, if someone wants to apologise that's their right to do so, and if they doesn't want to apologise that is also their right to do so.

It's odd how these same people who think him crying on camera is a sign of censorship or fascism are typically the same people that constantly say that nobody has the right to not be offended. Yes it was dickish of those people to make him cry, but that's what happens when you live in a free society, people get upset and offended which often leads to tears.

I really don't understand what these people want? Do they want some kind of space they could go to where they would be safe from feminists criticising them?

He wasn't forced as in someone was holding a gun to his head. He felt forced due to the backlash he received over something he did completely inadvertently.

The rest of your post is you inventing stuff and then, uhh, answering to the stuff you have invented? I think you need some sleep.

If you think monetary consequences are the only ones relevant when considering this stuff you should go through high school again.

Making someone feel like they should do something is kinda the point of standing up and speaking out. Yes it's a perfectly legal method to get your way or to get your voice heard. If you don't like it then you too can stand up and speak out. It's basically the definition of defeating speech with more speech.

Basically what this comes down to is that a group of people, who you don't like, are speaking out and ultimately getting their way. It's difficult to deal with that sort of thing. I know, I have trouble with it when say republicans decide that planned parenthood operations should be shut down and they actually accomplish their goal. Ultimately though it is within their legal right to do so just like it is within my legal right to attempt to thwart such action through speech of my own. Crying or having a hissy fit that I'm losing is something I have done on occasion, but it ultimately doesn't change the fact that what they did was perfectly legal.

So what is it you want? People asked him to do something and he did it. What exactly is the issue? Should they not be allowed to make their voices heard?

Sorry that the real world isn't like your safe space.

@servomaster: political correctness doesn't exist.

Tim Hunt told a crowd of women scientists that "the trouble with women in the lab is that they cry when you criticize them" among other things as part of a joke, mostly at his expense, which didn't seem to offend those in attendance. He then apologized and explained it was important in science to be able to criticize idea without criticizing people – while if somebody "burst into tears, it means that you tend to hold back from getting at the absolute truth", which seems like a mixed, non-artful message at best.

If you were one of his female students, you would look at him the same way the next time you entered class, right?

How about if a female teacher told you men don't make good scientists because their egos get in the way. Wouldn't it make you question just a little whether your thousands of dollars was being spent on being educated by a man-hater? Wouldn't it make you a bit uncomfortable if your past the date of withdrawal and had to pay if you were offended? Wouldn't it make you just a tiny bit suspicious of any criticism thereafter?

I don't think he should have been fired, but I understand why his comments and failed apology created a fuss. This isn't one of the great problems facing society. All the teachers I had at University are still there or have retired due to age, including the right wing foreign relations guy who supported water boarding and took great pains to demonstrate why obviously racial ideas in our history were "cultural superiority" as distinct from "racial superiority" in front of class.

Whether teachers like it or not their students are, among other things, clients paying a fortune and deserving the same respect any client receives.

Nothing bad happened to Matt Taylor. He wore an unprofessional shirt depicting fantasy-style women at a time when a modicum of professionalism was called for and apologized. This could've happened 10, 20, or 30 years ago, it wouldn't have happened 50 years ago because people were less likely to be so unprofessional 50 years ago. The people defending him were every bit as vitriolic as the people attacking him, calling opponents of his shirt Stalin, Kim Il Sung, and Islamic Maniacs. He didn't get fired. Support for him far outweighed criticism.

@Archangel3371: 'Crying' about losing one's freedom of speech is a legitimate complaint, and one worth arguing about, fighting over and such. It's the PC crowd that wants to curb freedom of speech and continually advocates for 'stepping back' people's freedom of speech so others feel 'safe' and 'secure'. Those who appreciate and understand that the 1st amendment cuts both ways are more than willing to deal with that double edged sword. It's SJWs who bully others around, yet have such fragile skins they care barely take it in return, and thus attempt to curb speech so they don't have to deal with backlash, or the fact that their ideology is at its heart narcissistic and hypocritical.

Well boo-****ing-hoo. That's what happens when you get in front of millions of people. Someone might talk bad about you.

That's not the ONLY consideration, it's just GENERALLY how this stuff works. Sure, maybe Matt Taylor cried during his apology because he actually felt bad about what he did. But there's a reason why it's called "political correctness" and not something like "moral correctness." You want something from a certain group of people, so you say shit that makes it more likely for those people to give you what you want. In the case of politicians, they're trying to get votes. In the case of businesses, they're trying to get sales. In the case of some random bozo's Facebook account, he's probably trying not to do something that'll bite him in the ass in some way later on, such as as having a prospective employer see his Facebook account and deny him a job. People operate based on incentives. Even if one's only incentive is "it makes me feel bad when people say mean things about me", then the point still stands. No one made you backtrack or apologize. You're totally free to sit there and have strangers talk shit about you all day because who give a flying **** what some random anonymous stranger thinks about you?