It's copying not stealing. Stealing would be going into a store and stealing a cd from the shelf. Copying would be downloading the MP3 files that someone ripped off of their cd. Still illegal and probably just as wrong but not the same practice.
Technically no. Stealing requires the taking of an object away from its owner. In the case of piracy nothing is actually taken away from the creator of said content, they still possess the content that they created.
theft is theft and piracy is piracy. Both steal the potential for profit, but piracy doesn't take an item or good and leave a person or company with less than before.
It's copying not stealing. Stealing would be going into a store and stealing a cd from the shelf. Copying would be downloading the MP3 files that someone ripped off of their cd. Still illegal and probably just as wrong but not the same practice.
Assassin1349
Pretty much. Your not taking something, just duplicating it.
I would say it IS stealing. I kind of look at it similar to a street merchant with his inventory all laid out on a table, each with a pricetag. The items are there for everyone to see, but there always is a pricetag. You can of course just take the item without paying for it quite easily, and not get caught, or you can be honest and pay for it. It's very similar if you think about it, don't let the digital format fool you. The originator should be getting money for every copy distributed.
It depends on what you consider piracy. Tape recording shows off TV and recording songs off the radio as a kid was considered OK. If I download that stuff nowadays I'm called a thief.
Well, you're essentially taking money out of a company's pocket, because you aren't paying for it, just as if you lifted a CD or DVD off a shelf. Exact same thing, except the former is digital.
Though it technically a(nd legally) is not stealing, the effect to the owner of the object is the same.
daqua_99
Not necessarily. Many people who are pirating have no intention of ever paying for the product and since it isn't a direct loss from a store shelf it isn't considered the same type of loss.
Technically no. Stealing requires the taking of an object away from its owner. In the case of piracy nothing is actually taken away from the creator of said content, they still possess the content that they created. Darth-Caedus
thisstealing is taking from the owner and piracy is copying
Well, you're essentially taking money out of a company's pocket, because you aren't paying for it, just as if you lifted a CD or DVD off a shelf. Exact same thing, except the former is digital.JustPlainLucas
So if I have a cable subscription and I record content from premium channels, am I stealing?
In My Opinion, Piracy Is Not Stealing. Why? Because No Object Is Lost There For Nothing Is Stolen :)NerubianWeaver
Faulty logic. What's lost is the potential sale. Like I said earlier, it's the exact same thing as going into a store and taking a CD without purchasing it. You still obtained an album, you didn't pay for it, the company didn't earn a sale from you. If 150,000 people would like to buy a CD, but they find out they can pirate it instead, then that's 1,500,000 dollars lost, assuming the album is 10 dollars. Make sense now?
[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]In My Opinion, Piracy Is Not Stealing. Why? Because No Object Is Lost There For Nothing Is Stolen :)JustPlainLucas
Faulty logic. What's lost is the potential sale. Like I said earlier, it's the exact same thing as going into a store and taking a CD without purchasing it. You still obtained an album, you didn't pay for it, the company didn't earn a sale from you. If 150,000 people would like to buy a CD, but they find out they can pirate it instead, then that's 1,500,000 dollars lost, assuming the album is 10 dollars. Make sense now? Wait... You think they are the "exact" same thing?
[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="McJugga"] Wait... You think they are the "exact" same thing? Yes. Didn't I explain myself well enough? Well, no offense, but they are not. They are both illegal but different branches.
What's lost is the potential sale. Like I said earlier, it's the exact same thing as going into a store and taking a CD without purchasing it. You still obtained an album, you didn't pay for it,JustPlainLucas
Lucas, I like you, but I think you're dead wrong on this. Can you say that you have never in your entire life ever received a burned disk of copyrighted content or had a friend copy files onto your portable media player or computer?
If you have, then that would also be stealing I suppose.
[QUOTE="McJugga"] Wait... You think they are the "exact" same thing?JustPlainLucas
Yes. Didn't I explain myself well enough? In one scenario, the potential for a sale is lost. In the other, an actual, physical product (that costs money to produce) is lost.
How can they be exactly the same when clear differences exist...? :|
If you spent weeks on a really nice painting, would you rather have me take the painting, or would you rather have me photocopy it?
Piracy - the unauthorized reproduction or use of a copyrighted book, recording, television program, patented invention, trademarked product, etc. Steal - to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right Yes, same thing.
Piracy - the unauthorized reproduction or use of a copyrighted book, recording, television program, patented invention, trademarked product, etc. blackngold29
Technically no. Stealing requires the taking of an object away from its owner. In the case of piracy nothing is actually taken away from the creator of said content, they still possess the content that they created. Darth-Caedus
You're taking away the profit that an artist makes by downloading his/her music so therefore it's stealing.
[QUOTE="blackngold29"]Piracy - the unauthorized reproduction or use of a copyrighted book, recording, television program, patented invention, trademarked product, etc. Steal - to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right Yes, same thing. wrong. if you take something from somebody they no longer have it. if you reproduce something both you and somebody else has it. It's a fine line, but then that's why the law classifies them as different acts.
[QUOTE="Assassin1349"] You're still taking what isn't yours, right?
Lucas, I like you, but I think you're dead wrong on this. Can you say that you have never in your entire life ever received a burned disk of copyrighted content or had a friend copy files onto your portable media player or computer?
If you have, then that would also be stealing I suppose.
MarcusAntonius
I plead the fifth, to avoid possible moderation. :P
You just answered your own question. If you weren't allowed to record TV shows, then Tivos would be illegal.MarcusAntonius
Yes, but I'm still holding the content for later use. That would be an unauthorized reproduction.
I would think the cable companies would expect that to happen, because not everyone would be home to watch the shows when they aired. Do'nt think there's any way around that.
[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Technically no. Stealing requires the taking of an object away from its owner. In the case of piracy nothing is actually taken away from the creator of said content, they still possess the content that they created. ced121
You're taking away the profit that an artist makes by downloading his/her music so therefore it's stealing.
Technically, you're actually "taking money" from the recording company.
[QUOTE="blackngold29"]Piracy - the unauthorized reproduction or use of a copyrighted book, recording, television program, patented invention, trademarked product, etc. MarcusAntonius
Which 9 out of 10 people have done at some point.
How so? Fair use takes up a big chunk. You can use things, you just can't sell them.
[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Technically no. Stealing requires the taking of an object away from its owner. In the case of piracy nothing is actually taken away from the creator of said content, they still possess the content that they created. ced121
You're taking away the profit that an artist makes by downloading his/her music so therefore it's stealing. once again wrong. There is no way of knowing for sure that they would ever get that profit. thus you take away potential profit.
[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Technically no. Stealing requires the taking of an object away from its owner. In the case of piracy nothing is actually taken away from the creator of said content, they still possess the content that they created. ced121
You're taking away the profit that an artist makes by downloading his/her music so therefore it's stealing. You are maybe taking away a 'potential' profit. However, if you never had the intention of ever paying for it, then it was never a potential profit. I'm not saying it's right. But how could the company be loosing anything if you were never going to pay for their product in the first place? You will always have the audience that wants to pay for the product and then you will always have the audience who won't.
[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="blackngold29"]Piracy - the unauthorized reproduction or use of a copyrighted book, recording, television program, patented invention, trademarked product, etc. Steal - to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right Yes, same thing. wrong. if you take something from somebody they no longer have it. if you reproduce something both you and somebody else has it. It's a fine line, but then that's why the law classifies them as different acts. Just because it's not a physical object doesn't mean you can't take it. If you take a picture, and I use it in a book and don't credit you and it makes a ton of money, you still have a copy of that picture, but I have still taken money away from you.
[QUOTE="blackngold29"]Piracy - the unauthorized reproduction or use of a copyrighted book, recording, television program, patented invention, trademarked product, etc. MarcusAntonius
Which 9 out of 10 people have done at some point.
but that doesn't make it right. All I'm saying is there is a difference (if only a small one) between the two.
In one scenario, the potential for a sale is lost. In the other, an actual, physical product (that costs money to produce) is lost.
How can they be exactly the same when clear differences exist...? :|
If you spent weeks on a really nice painting, would you rather have me take the painting, or would you rather have me photocopy it?
McJugga
I'd rather you pay me for the painting. In a business sense, you just stole from me, because I didn't make squat on my painting. If you physically stole the painting from me, I'd just paint another painting, just as a publisher would just press another disc. Now, a potential sale is lost whether a disc is pirated, or a disc is sitting on a shelf for months, but someone comes along and steals it for themselves. Piracy is the same as stealing from stores, and is more preferable because it's harder to get caught doing it.
[QUOTE="blackngold29"]Piracy - the unauthorized reproduction or use of a copyrighted book, recording, television program, patented invention, trademarked product, etc. blackngold29
Which 9 out of 10 people have done at some point.
How so? Fair use takes up a big chunk. You can use things, you just can't sell them.
Coming from someone who works in the music industry, I think piracy is terrible and IS stealing. Piracy (whether it be games, movies, music...ect) has impacted many different industries and it's a shame to see people trying to justify it. I don't judge others who do it, but piracy is stealing and should not be tolerated.
[QUOTE="blackngold29"]Piracy - the unauthorized reproduction or use of a copyrighted book, recording, television program, patented invention, trademarked product, etc. Serraph105
Which 9 out of 10 people have done at some point.
but that doesn't make it right. All I'm saying is there is a difference (if only a small one) between the two.
Is it right that Big Content can slap on copy protection and then lobby Congress for the DMCA so that my Fair Use rights have been effectively eliminated?
Technically, you're actually "taking money" from the recording company.MarcusAntonius
Nope. Only the potential exists.
On the other end of the spectrum: you could also be making them money.
Example: say a kid burns a mixed music CD for his friend (which is an illegal reproduction and distribution of copyrighted music.) His friend likes a particular artist on the CD, and begins buying music from that artist on iTunes.
edit: Not that I'm trying to justify it. I'm sure the profit lost vastly outweighs any potentially-gained sales. Still, the music & movie industries are doing just fine despite piracy..so this seems like a pretty pointless argument regardless. It's more of an issue for video game devs/publishers, imo.
In one scenario, the potential for a sale is lost. In the other, an actual, physical product (that costs money to produce) is lost.
How can they be exactly the same when clear differences exist...? :|
If you spent weeks on a really nice painting, would you rather have me take the painting, or would you rather have me photocopy it?
JustPlainLucas
I'd rather you pay me for the painting. In a business sense, you just stole from me, because I didn't make squat on my painting. If you physically stole the painting from me, I'd just paint another painting, just as a publisher would just press another disc. Now, a potential sale is lost whether a disc is pirated, or a disc is sitting on a shelf for months, but someone comes along and steals it for themselves. Piracy is the same as stealing from stores, and is more preferable because it's harder to get caught doing it.
I don't see how this post supports your argument of the two of them being identical.
Coming from someone who works in the music industry, I think piracy is terrible and IS stealing. Piracy (whether it be games, movies, music...ect) has impacted many different industries and it's a shame to see people trying to justify it. I don't judge others who do it, but piracy is stealing and should not be tolerated.
mexicangordo
Who's justifying anything? If the content providers could work out an updated business model, none of this would be an issue.
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