Is Piracy Stealing?

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="Assassin1349"]Actually I think stealing would be going to itunes.com, hacking it and taking the songs from the site for free. If my source isn't the company or a retailer, I'm not directly taking it from them. Assassin1349

Stealing is when you obtain something via illegal means, so yes it is stealing.MoonMarvel

Actually I think stealing would be going to itunes.com, hacking it and taking the songs from the site for free. If my source isn't the company or a retailer, I'm not directly taking it from them. Assassin1349

In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]Stealing is when you obtain something via illegal means, so yes it is stealing.Juggernaut140

In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent.

[QUOTE="brutal_one88"]I also don't see the difference between buying second hand cd's (legal) and pirating CD's (illegal). Either way the artists and the labels they are slaves of don't see a dime.Velocitas8

Aye, buying second-hand is equivalent to piracy in my eyes.

This also happens in the video game industry with the used games market. It affects the games industry financially to an even higher degree than it does the recording industry. It's getting to the point that publishers are having to provide additonal incentives to those who buy games new (EA has been doing this lately.)

Just because you obtained something illegally doesn't mean you stole it :|Juggernaut140

Just because you obtained something illegally doesn't mean you stole it :|Juggernaut140

It depends on what you consider piracy. Tape recording shows off TV and recording songs off the radio as a kid was considered OK. If I download that stuff nowadays I'm called a thief.

MarcusAntonius

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]Just because you obtained something illegally doesn't mean you stole it :|MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]Just because you obtained something illegally doesn't mean you stole it :|racer8dan

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]Just because you obtained something illegally doesn't mean you stole it :|Juggernaut140

I disagree that pirating is the same thing as stealing.

Stealing - taking a physical object from another person or a retail store - a book, dvd, cd, etc. A retail or packaged product.

Piracy - acquiring a digital version of a physical object - pdf / e-book, digital video, digital audio, etc. A non-retail or packaged product.

I think the best way to stop piracy are to find the original distributors of anything deemed to have a copyright contained within the boundaries of the item distributed for others to download.

A few quick questions -
Is it stealing to use a vcr, tivo, or dvd recorder to capture a digital version of anything freely-aired on a televiision? Is this piracy?
Is it stealing to transfer a personally owned object into a digital format? Is this piracy?
Is it stealing to listen to commercial radio or commercial-free radio broadcasts without paying money to do so? Is this piracy?
Is it stealing to go to a freely available internet website to watch a movie that is still in a theater? Is this piracy?
Is it stealing to play a video game in a web browser? Is this piracy?
Is it stealing to use a digital camera to take a picture or record a video (with audio) of an object or event? Is this piracy?

Way to edit your post :| Doesn't matter, what you originally said is still in my quote Juggernaut140

It's easier to just get the damn game from a store. Piracy is definitely NOT for the impatient type.

QWERTYCommander

yeah, i would consider it stealing, i'm not going to try to stop someone from doing it though.

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]Just because you obtained something illegally doesn't mean you stole it :|MoonMarvel

No, it's copyright infringement, not theft. There is a difference.

It's easier to just get the damn game from a store. Piracy is definitely NOT for the impatient type.

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]Just because you obtained something illegally doesn't mean you stole it :|MoonMarvel

It's easier to just get the damn game from a store. Piracy is definitely NOT for the impatient type.

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="McJugga"] Similarities exist, that doesn't make them "exactly" the same, as you previously stated. My shoes and my hat are both smooth, red and have a blue bottom. Yet they are still not exactly the same thing.McJugga

No. Pirated games, music, movies, ect. are always lower quality than the real deal. And they're just files, not objects. Files shouldn't have a price tag (that's you, itunes!).

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]Whatever. Next time read the quote before you reply ok? Nothing left to be said here really. And it was correcting it, people miss words sometimes and fix them later... Forget it. :roll:

MoonMarvel

What you originally wrote:

"Stealing is when you obtain something via illegal means, so yes it is stealing."

What you edited it to be:

"Stealing is is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent, so yes it is stealing."

Both completely different things.

No. Pirated games, music, movies, ect. are always lower quality than the real deal. And they're just files, not objects. Files shouldn't have a price tag (that's you, itunes!).

RobboElRobbo

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="racer8dan"]If I obtain a perscription dug via illegal means your saying I stole it?racer8dan

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="McJugga"] You could pirate a game faster than you could go to the store and come back, as long as your internet is fast enough.McJugga

[QUOTE="McJugga"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]It can take days if the file is large enough.MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="Juggernaut140"] Uh, no. You edited your post to be completely different than what it was before :| Ultimate cop-out right here folksJuggernaut140

What you originally wrote:

"Stealing is when you obtain something via illegal means, so yes it is stealing."

What you edited it to be:

"Stealing is is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent, so yes it is stealing."

Both completely different things.

[QUOTE="RobboElRobbo"]

No. Pirated games, music, movies, ect. are always lower quality than the real deal. And they're just files, not objects. Files shouldn't have a price tag (that's you, itunes!).

Assassin1349

The console versions were amazing. If it wasn't priced at 60 dollars then they wouldn't have a huge piracy problem. 60 is too much for a PC game.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="racer8dan"]When you illegally acquire something that would have otherwised cost money, its called stealing:|

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="McJugga"] Only if you're a total n0000b. :PMcJugga

What you originally wrote:

"Stealing is when you obtain something via illegal means, so yes it is stealing."

What you edited it to be:

"Stealing is is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent, so yes it is stealing."

Both completely different things.

Juggernaut140

True there, Specially after you make a post like this

Actually its a good example, you just got caught making an incorrect statement. Need I quote you? too bad already did. YOU said when you acquire something would have otherwised cost money I stole it, so by YOUR definition if I get a perscription drug via illegal means, any illegal means I stole it. That is false, just because I ilegally aquired it and it would have cost me money otherwise doesnt mean I stole it.

MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="Assassin1349"][QUOTE="RobboElRobbo"]

No. Pirated games, music, movies, ect. are always lower quality than the real deal. And they're just files, not objects. Files shouldn't have a price tag (that's you, itunes!).

RobboElRobbo

The console versions were amazing. If it wasn't priced at 60 dollars then they wouldn't have a huge piracy problem. 60 is too much for a PC game.

[QUOTE="McJugga"]

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]If I obtain a perscription dug via illegal means your saying I stole it?MoonMarvel

Really? Let's put two of your quotes together and see what happens.

You: "Stealing is when you obtain something via illegal means."

You: "If I obtain a perscription dug via illegal means your saying I stole it?"

Hm...

[QUOTE="McJugga"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]Or your net sucks. Which mine does.MoonMarvel