Is religion just circular logic?

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#1 natetodamax
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I mean, you know there's a god because you know? Explain.
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#2 Silenthps
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short answer: no

long answer: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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#3 papermariofan57
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god is love, is something that u feel in the deep of ur heartt, nothing can't be compared to him, U beleive in him by faith, and to get faith u must first live god in order to receive it. Is one of the biggest things in the world, is the best thing
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#4 natetodamax
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god is love, is something that u feel in the deep of ur heartt, nothing can't be compared to him, U beleive in him by faith, and to get faith u must first live god in order to receive it. Is one of the biggest things in the world, is the best thingpapermariofan57
But how do you know one exists? Saying "because I know" is, again, circular logic, which doesn't help in any situation.
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[QUOTE="papermariofan57"]god is love, is something that u feel in the deep of ur heartt, nothing can't be compared to him, U beleive in him by faith, and to get faith u must first live god in order to receive it. Is one of the biggest things in the world, is the best thingnatetodamax
But how do you know one exists? Saying "because I know" is, again, circular logic, which doesn't help in any situation.

How do you know you exist?
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[QUOTE="natetodamax"][QUOTE="papermariofan57"]god is love, is something that u feel in the deep of ur heartt, nothing can't be compared to him, U beleive in him by faith, and to get faith u must first live god in order to receive it. Is one of the biggest things in the world, is the best thingthe_foreign_guy
But how do you know one exists? Saying "because I know" is, again, circular logic, which doesn't help in any situation.

How do you know you exist?

He can look at himself?
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#7 the_foreign_guy
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[QUOTE="tsduv21"][QUOTE="the_foreign_guy"][QUOTE="natetodamax"] But how do you know one exists? Saying "because I know" is, again, circular logic, which doesn't help in any situation.

How do you know you exist?

He can look at himself?

That's what they want you to think. It's all a cake. We're in the matrix.
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#8 natetodamax
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[QUOTE="natetodamax"][QUOTE="papermariofan57"]god is love, is something that u feel in the deep of ur heartt, nothing can't be compared to him, U beleive in him by faith, and to get faith u must first live god in order to receive it. Is one of the biggest things in the world, is the best thingthe_foreign_guy
But how do you know one exists? Saying "because I know" is, again, circular logic, which doesn't help in any situation.

How do you know you exist?

- I can see myself - I can feel things - I can make noises - I can do things - I think - I have a mind ???
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I mean, you know there's a god because you know? Explain.natetodamax
There is not a god because who created him?
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#10 swazidoughman
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short answer: no

long answer: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Silenthps

This says otherwise.

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#11 the_foreign_guy
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[QUOTE="natetodamax"] - I can see myself - I can feel things - I can make noises - I can do things - I think - I have a mind ???

You see only the images they put in your mind. You only feel things because of neurotic impulses. You can make noise because you perceive you can. You can do things only because it was programmed into yourself. Your thoughts are someone else's thoughts. Your mind is all all zeros and ones.
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#12 papermariofan57
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I know he exist by faith, why u can eat something, why u can breathe air

no one created him, he has been always there

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[QUOTE="the_foreign_guy"][QUOTE="natetodamax"] - I can see myself - I can feel things - I can make noises - I can do things - I think - I have a mind ???

You see only the images they put in your mind. You only feel things because of neurotic impulses. You can make noise because you perceive you can. You can do things only because it was programmed into yourself. Your thoughts are someone else's thoughts. Your mind is all all zeros and ones.

Even so, that still means you exist in some form.
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#14 the_foreign_guy
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[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"] Even so, that still means you exist in some form.

I can show you the doors, but you have to open it yourself. Now tell me...the red pill or the blue pill? Hurry, they're coming!
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#15 papermariofan57
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but answer me, how do u get all of those things
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#16 muthsera666
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How do you know you exist?the_foreign_guy
Descartes. I think, therefore I exist.
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#17 natetodamax
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Almost everything that has happened to this world can be explained and proven through science. Being created by a god cannot be proved, nor can it be explained.
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#18 the_foreign_guy
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[QUOTE="the_foreign_guy"]How do you know you exist?muthsera666
Descartes. I think, therefore I exist.

His rule of signs is pretty annoying, so your point is invalid.
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#19 papermariofan57
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science is not everything, it can makes lto fo things, but u can't make everything with it
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#20 muthsera666
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Almost everything that has happened to this world can be explained and proven through science. Being created by a god cannot be proved, nor can it be explained.natetodamax
Doesn't mean it's not true, however.
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science is not everything, it can makes lto fo things, but u can't make everything with itpapermariofan57
Science is man's attempt to explain the natural world around him. There are some things that man cannot grasp though, and might never understand. I've said too much! OMG! They're already at my door. Quickly someon...

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#22 muthsera666
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[QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="the_foreign_guy"]How do you know you exist?the_foreign_guy
Descartes. I think, therefore I exist.

His rule of signs is pretty annoying, so your point is invalid.

That was a joke? Hopefully?
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#23 the_foreign_guy
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[QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="the_foreign_guy"][QUOTE="muthsera666"] Descartes. I think, therefore I exist.

His rule of signs is pretty annoying, so your point is invalid.

That was a joke? Hopefully?

Read the rest of the posts I made in this thread and tell me if I'm joking or not.
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#24 muthsera666
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Read the rest of the posts I made in this thread and tell me if I'm joking or not. the_foreign_guy
No. I don't really care enough. You tell me if you are serious discounting a philosophical enterprise because something is annoying.
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[QUOTE="papermariofan57"]science is not everything, it can makes lto fo things, but u can't make everything with itthe_foreign_guy

Science is man's attempt to explain the natural world around him. There are some things that man cannot grasp though, and might never understand. I've said too much! OMG! They're already at my door. Quickly someon...

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love is not created by science, it even doens't have relation with it
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#26 the_foreign_guy
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because something is annoying.muthsera666
Indeed. I mean, the 18 other religion threads on the front page are really entertaining me. Also, why so serious?
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#27 Teenaged
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Religion is faith, and faith is primarily based on things other than logic.
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#28 natetodamax
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[QUOTE="the_foreign_guy"]

[QUOTE="papermariofan57"]science is not everything, it can makes lto fo things, but u can't make everything with itpapermariofan57

Science is man's attempt to explain the natural world around him. There are some things that man cannot grasp though, and might never understand. I've said too much! OMG! They're already at my door. Quickly someon...

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love is not created by science, it even doens't have relation with it

Love is an emotion.
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#29 -Jiggles-
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Saying that all forms of religion is circular reasoning isn't accurate. However, that doesn't dismiss the fact that religion can have circular reasoning involved within it's structure.

The wheel of power picture posted earlier demonstrates this well.

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#30 thepwninator
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[QUOTE="the_foreign_guy"][QUOTE="tsduv21"][QUOTE="the_foreign_guy"] How do you know you exist?

He can look at himself?

That's what they want you to think. It's all a cake. We're in the matrix.

I think, therefore I am. I do not know you think, therefore, I do not know you are.
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#31 -Jiggles-
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[QUOTE="the_foreign_guy"]

[QUOTE="papermariofan57"]science is not everything, it can makes lto fo things, but u can't make everything with itpapermariofan57

Science is man's attempt to explain the natural world around him. There are some things that man cannot grasp though, and might never understand. I've said too much! OMG! They're already at my door. Quickly someon...

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love is not created by science, it even doens't have relation with it

Love is explained by science, however.

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#32 Dariency
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Religion is an attempt to explain the unexplained, and to answer all of those "Why?" questions. Whether or not any religion is true is up to the person to decide.
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#33 the_foreign_guy
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[QUOTE="papermariofan57"][QUOTE="the_foreign_guy"] Science is man's attempt to explain the natural world around him. There are some things that man cannot grasp though, and might never understand. I've said too much! OMG! They're already at my door. Quickly someon...

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-Jiggles-

love is not created by science, it even doens't have relation with it

Love is explained by science, however.

I love lamp?
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#34 -Jiggles-
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[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"][QUOTE="papermariofan57"]love is not created by science, it even doens't have relation with itthe_foreign_guy

Love is explained by science, however.

I love lamp?

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#35 the_foreign_guy
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-Jiggles-
You're now my hero.
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[QUOTE="the_foreign_guy"]

[QUOTE="papermariofan57"]science is not everything, it can makes lto fo things, but u can't make everything with itpapermariofan57

Science is man's attempt to explain the natural world around him. There are some things that man cannot grasp though, and might never understand. I've said too much! OMG! They're already at my door. Quickly someon...

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love is not created by science, it even doens't have relation with it

Emotions are all in your head and there is a scientific explanation for it.

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[QUOTE="the_foreign_guy"]

[QUOTE="papermariofan57"]science is not everything, it can makes lto fo things, but u can't make everything with itpapermariofan57

Science is man's attempt to explain the natural world around him. There are some things that man cannot grasp though, and might never understand. I've said too much! OMG! They're already at my door. Quickly someon...

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love is not created by science, it even doens't have relation with it

love is a result of chemicals having a specific concentration in your brain, along with your perception of what you love (love of family/gf/hobby/pet/etc) Humans evolved this as a result of kinship-independent cooperation, and the fact that early humans who were not born with as much cabaility for these emnotions were not as successful in groups. remember that humans are the most social animals alive today - what other animal cooperates with unknowns to get benfits? lion/monkeys/whatever, if they do cooperate it is with geneticaly close animal, in their herd or close family. human emotion and cooperation are what led to ou uniqueness. I have a midterm on what I just wrote (Adv. Bio- Human Social Behavior) so keep the questions coming, it's good review lol.
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#38 muthsera666
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[QUOTE="muthsera666"]because something is annoying.the_foreign_guy
Indeed. I mean, the 18 other religion threads on the front page are really entertaining me. Also, why so serious?

Because religion is an important issue.
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[QUOTE="the_foreign_guy"][QUOTE="muthsera666"]because something is annoying.muthsera666
Indeed. I mean, the 18 other religion threads on the front page are really entertaining me. Also, why so serious?

Because religion is an important issue.

To some
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#40 muthsera666
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[QUOTE="natetodamax"][QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="the_foreign_guy"] Indeed. I mean, the 18 other religion threads on the front page are really entertaining me. Also, why so serious?

Because religion is an important issue.

To some

True, though I would like to believe that everyone gives it thought at least at some point in their lives. I do not advocate the adherence to a particular religion, but the consideration should take place to some extent.
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I mean, you know there's a god because you know? Explain.natetodamax

Well, think about it this way. If reality is all in our heads and is entirely subjective to the individual, then there is no absolute truth. Therefore, the answers that you seek are without merit, and only you can decide what is meritorious and what is truth.

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[QUOTE="natetodamax"]I mean, you know there's a god because you know? Explain.VoodooGamer

Well, think about it this way. If reality is all in our heads and is entirely subjective to the individual, then there is no absolute truth. Therefore, the answers that you seek are without merit, and only you can decide what is meritorious and what is truth.

Not to be too picky, but that is a humongous if.
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#43 natetodamax
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[QUOTE="natetodamax"]I mean, you know there's a god because you know? Explain.VoodooGamer

Well, think about it this way. If reality is all in our heads and is entirely subjective to the individual, then there is no absolute truth. Therefore, the answers that you seek are without merit, and only you can decide what is meritorious and what is truth.

Honestly, I have no clue what you just said :|
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[QUOTE="Silenthps"]

short answer: no

long answer: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

swazidoughman


This says otherwise.

"but how do you know it's infallible?"

Because after 2000 years it has yet to be found fallible. Thus destroyeth thy wheel

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#45 chessmaster1989
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No, not really. It's more like this... 1. Someone believes that God exists 2. ??? 3. God exists :P
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why yes, yes it is.
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[QUOTE="swazidoughman"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]

short answer: no

long answer: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Silenthps


This says otherwise.

"but how do you know it's infallible?"

Because after 2000 years it has yet to be found fallible. Thus destroyeth thy wheel

Is that what you want to believe? Of course some parts of it are being constantly proven false or are proven to be of different nature of what it is originally proposed by theists. Thus destroyeth thy confidence.

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[QUOTE="swazidoughman"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]

short answer: no

long answer: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Silenthps


This says otherwise.

"but how do you know it's infallible?"

Because after 2000 years it has yet to be found fallible. Thus destroyeth thy wheel

You know that the Bible is infallible because, according to you, it was never proven otherwise?
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If that's not a straw man I don't know what is.
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#50 Silenthps
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[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="swazidoughman"]


This says otherwise.

JabbaDaHutt30

"but how do you know it's infallible?"

Because after 2000 years it has yet to be found fallible. Thus destroyeth thy wheel

You know that the Bible is infallible because, according to you, it was never proven otherwise?

Well me plus thousands of scholars and apologist who study it intensely and conclude it to be so.