Is Sexual Orientation a choice?(poll)

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#51 niptuckSean
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Analogies don't work in this situation because they contradict my preconceived conclusions...so please stop trying to use them.

Oleg_Huzwog

Is this what you meant?

No. They don't work, because someone can claim to be a sunbather, but they are lying if they have never stepped out from the shade.

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#52 Oleg_Huzwog
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yeah.Also being gay or straight really has nothing to do with sex, its attraction. A man could live his life never having sex ever, but he can be attracted to men his whole life, and never fell attracted to women, he can fantasize about men and care less about women, which would mean he is attracted to men, which would make him gay

SaintLeonidas

Ah, you contend we are defined by that which compels us. I disagree as I feel we are defined by that which we do.

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#53 camreeno360
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Okay a perfect example of why it is not a choice is Iran: a country that punishes homosexuality by death. Knowing there are gays that exist there, do you think they chose to be gay in that kind of environment?
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#54 SaintLeonidas
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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

yeah.Also being gay or straight really has nothing to do with sex, its attraction. A man could live his life never having sex ever, but he can be attracted to men his whole life, and never fell attracted to women, he can fantasize about men and care less about women, which would mean he is attracted to men, which would make him gay

Oleg_Huzwog

Ah, you contend we are defined by that which compels us. I disagree as I feel we are defined by that which we do.

You see a hot woman walking down the street, so you say to yourself, okay body, get turned on?No, it just happens, its a chemical and hormonal thing. A gay man seeing the same women doesnt go, okay body, stop, dont get attarcted, instead he just gets no feelings from her....however if he saw a man he was attracted to , he wont say, okay body, i choose to be attracted to him, instead his hormones kick in and he becomes attracted.

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#55 Oleg_Huzwog
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No. They don't work, because someone can claim to be a sunbather, but they are lying if they have never stepped out from the shade.

niptuckSean

...to which I counter that a man can claim to be straight, but is lying if they've made love to another man.

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#56 SaintLeonidas
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[QUOTE="niptuckSean"]

No. They don't work, because someone can claim to be a sunbather, but they are lying if they have never stepped out from the shade.

Oleg_Huzwog

...to which I counter that a man can claim to be straight, but is lying if they've made love to another man.

theres a difference between sex for pleasure and sex by attraction. A guy could sleep with women his whole life, but have a sex addiciton and on day sleep with a man, but then sleep with women again. He wasnt attracted to the guy, he just had sex for the pleasure, that wouldnt make him gay Like i said, sexual orientation depends on attraction not sex seeing how sex can be just for pleasure.

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#57 camreeno360
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I suggest not asking smart questions on some videogame forum...Keep in mind this is the same bunch that had half the people in the poll voting "we were winning in Iraq" and "Global warming doesn't exist"....
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#58 K-E316
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I think it depends how ur raised.
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#59 SaintLeonidas
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I suggest not asking smart questions on some videogame forum...Keep in mind this is the same bunch that had half the people in the poll voting "we were winning in Iraq" and "Global warming doesn't exist"....camreeno360

very true

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#60 Oleg_Huzwog
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theres a difference between sex for pleasure and sex by attraction. A guy could sleep with women his whole life, but have a sex addiciton and on day sleep with a man, but then sleep with women again. He wasnt attracted to the guy, he just had sex for the pleasure, that wouldnt make him gay Like i said, sexual orientation depends on attraction not sex seeing how sex can be just for pleasure.

SaintLeonidas

Sleeping with a man one day and a woman the next makes him bi, regardless of attraction.

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#61 L1qu1dSword
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Many people won't like this answer but I am confident it is the best one.

People can have predispositions to either being submissive or dominant. How an individual reacts to their own tendency can detirmine how their brain becomes "programed". As anyone who has studied psychology knows, the brain can be conditioned to automatically respond to external stimuli. So this means the guy who says biochemistry has a role in homosexuality is correct in a sense but neglects the fact that your choices can change how your brain chemistry is programed. The heredity aspect is not 100 percent the answer because your stereotypical gay man is still compatible with your average "lesbian." The truth is that human sexuality is much more complicated then most straights or gays would like to admit. This is because Straights want to conclusively establish they will never be gay and gays want to rationalize a decision that much of the world persecutes them for.

In the end it is a choice influenced by heredity and social attitudes. Nature and nurture.

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#62 Xzaxs
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If you want to change then just ... DO IT!
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#63 MindFreeze
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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

theres a difference between sex for pleasure and sex by attraction. A guy could sleep with women his whole life, but have a sex addiciton and on day sleep with a man, but then sleep with women again. He wasnt attracted to the guy, he just had sex for the pleasure, that wouldnt make him gay Like i said, sexual orientation depends on attraction not sex seeing how sex can be just for pleasure.

Oleg_Huzwog

Sleeping with a man one day and a woman the next makes him bi, regardless of attraction.

Okay then...

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#64 turgore
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No , it's not. If people say they changed they were prolly always bi and prefer a side over another.
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#65 gdogghenrikson
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it is a choice...I choose to be straight

by the way, what it the person is bi

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#66 stitch321
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It's a choice , and it can be changed. There are a very tiny group of people with hormonal problems, and an even tinier(excuse the pun) bunch that has more than one gender of organs(hermaphrodites), who might have quite a struggle to attain the natural. Those with only same-sex feelings can always ABSTAIN until they've worked out their issues.
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#67 Raider47
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Isorta believe the theory that homosexuality is hereditary

im straightbut its not like i choose to be straight i just am attracted to women

and i have heard of plp that were once straight who became gay and vis versa but thoose plp mightve just been confused about it their whole lives

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#68 Rocul
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It's both, I believe. Some people force themselves to be gay maybe because of some "traumatic" even in their lives, while some just are.
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#69 stu_godd
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i think its a random **** up wen the baby is developing in the womb and just like a disability
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#70 MattUD1
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i think its a random **** up wen the baby is developing in the womb and just like a disabilitystu_godd
Define disablity. :|
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#71 megagene
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[QUOTE="drewtwo99"]

[QUOTE="DJ-PRIME90"]its a choice and it sure as hell can be changed, if they give it a chance...
once they climb into the pink tacho, they'll change their mind very quickly...
DJ-PRIME90

Evidence please?

I don't need evidence;)

Okay, well if sexual orientation is a choice, then please prove it to us by choosing to be homosexual. Make sure you get back to us when you're gay and tell us what it's like.

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#72 niptuckSean
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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

theres a difference between sex for pleasure and sex by attraction. A guy could sleep with women his whole life, but have a sex addiciton and on day sleep with a man, but then sleep with women again. He wasnt attracted to the guy, he just had sex for the pleasure, that wouldnt make him gay Like i said, sexual orientation depends on attraction not sex seeing how sex can be just for pleasure.

Oleg_Huzwog

Sleeping with a man one day and a woman the next makes him bi, regardless of attraction.

Wrong.

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#73 clarke0
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I think you could change sexual orientation if you went through mental trauma, but as far as it being a choice? I don't think so.
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#74 Putzwapputzen
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i dont think its a choice, if ur born a boy, then ur born a boy. nothign more, nothing less
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#75 L1qu1dSword
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nonone really comented on this so i was going to try. several say "it is not a choice" but can't really cite any real reasons. im not trying to argue either really just bouncing ideas off people.

Many people won't like this answer but I am confident it is the best one.

People can have predispositions to either being submissive or dominant. How an individual reacts to their own tendency can detirmine how their brain becomes "programed". As anyone who has studied psychology knows, the brain can be conditioned to automatically respond to external stimuli. So this means the guy who says biochemistry has a role in homosexuality is correct in a sense but neglects the fact that your choices can change how your brain chemistry is programed. The heredity aspect is not 100 percent the answer because your stereotypical gay man is still compatible with your average "lesbian." The truth is that human sexuality is much more complicated then most straights or gays would like to admit. This is because Straights want to conclusively establish they will never be gay and gays want to rationalize a decision that much of the world persecutes them for.

In the end it is a choice influenced by heredity and social attitudes. Nature and nurture.

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#76 OregonTrailing
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This is ridiculous. Anyone who says it's a choice has never met a gay person.
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#77 L1qu1dSword
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Maybe you just don't understand human sexuality? Can you respond to my post with an equally powerful argument?
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#78 AtomicBaconBits
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[QUOTE="Vax45"]I say it's both!Hungry_bunny
Yep, a homosexual person can live his/her whole life pretending to be straight.

Yeah,but he can't change the fact that he is homosexual.
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#79 L1qu1dSword
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[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"][QUOTE="Vax45"]I say it's both!AtomicBaconBits
Yep, a homosexual person can live his/her whole life pretending to be straight.

Yeah,but he can't change the fact that he is homosexual.

OK, but why? My post says otherwise and nobody seems to be able to even respond.

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#80 Buffalo_Soulja
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Of course not. I never chose to be attracted to the opposite sex. I just am.
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#81 L1qu1dSword
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[QUOTE="DJ-PRIME90"][QUOTE="drewtwo99"]

[QUOTE="DJ-PRIME90"]its a choice and it sure as hell can be changed, if they give it a chance...
once they climb into the pink tacho, they'll change their mind very quickly...
megagene

Evidence please?

I don't need evidence;)

Okay, well if sexual orientation is a choice, then please prove it to us by choosing to be homosexual. Make sure you get back to us when you're gay and tell us what it's like.

It is not that easy. They would have to fantasize to gay porn long enough to reprogramand recondition their brains to respond as a female brain instead and why the heck would anyone want to choose to do that anyways.

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#82 helium_flash
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Well, it appears to me thatn 26% of GSers are ignorant.

Anyway, i said that it is not a choice, but i really dont know if it can be changed, as i am not gay I mean, i dont think it can be self-changed, but maybe sometimes down the line there will be a "cure" for homosexuality.

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#83 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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Probably not. I don't remember choosing to like woman, I just do.
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#84 L1qu1dSword
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I really do not understand what is going on here. I am the only one contributingsomething worthwhile to this discussion in the way of an original opinion based on astrong logical argument and even though there are several here who are eager to weigh in not ONE person has even acknowledged what I am saying.

No nobody specifically choose to be gay....however someone could choose their attitudes in life which could lead them to have a bad experiencewith the opposite sexwhich could then in turn lead them to beopen to "bi-curious" behavior where they fantasize about the opposite sex instead and they could then do this enough to the point where the male brain believes it is female and viceversa.

PEOPLE ARE NOT BORN GAY It is a pyschological condition the result of social attitudes towards passive males and dominant females and also conditioning oftenwhat someone does to themselves.

Gay people wanteveryone else to believe it is not a choiceNOT because of the science but becauseof POLITICS. You see ifthey can convince the world that it is not a choice then theyfeel they willnot be made responsible forwhat the world and themselves have done to themselves.

Many people won't like this answer but I am confident it is the best one.

People can have predispositions to either being submissive or dominant. How an individual reacts to their own tendency can detirmine how their brain becomes "programed". As anyone who has studied psychology knows, the brain can be conditioned to automatically respond to external stimuli. So this means the guy who says biochemistry has a role in homosexuality is correct in a sense but neglects the fact that your choices can change how your brain chemistry is programed. The heredity aspect is not 100 percent the answer because your stereotypical gay man is still compatible with your average "lesbian." The truth is that human sexuality is much more complicated then most straights or gays would like to admit. This is because Straights want to conclusively establish they will never be gay and gays want to rationalize a decision that much of the world persecutes them for.

In the end it is a choice influenced by heredity and social attitudes. Nature and nurture.

Seriously someone actually argue this. Most of you gay or bi-curious people know this is the truth but don't want to admit it. Straights don't want to touch it either because they want to feel comfortable in their permanent straight identities.

For those of you struggling with this I promise you were not born that way and you don't have to spend your whole life that way.

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[QUOTE="megagene"][QUOTE="DJ-PRIME90"][QUOTE="drewtwo99"]

[QUOTE="DJ-PRIME90"]its a choice and it sure as hell can be changed, if they give it a chance...
once they climb into the pink tacho, they'll change their mind very quickly...
L1qu1dSword

Evidence please?

I don't need evidence;)

Okay, well if sexual orientation is a choice, then please prove it to us by choosing to be homosexual. Make sure you get back to us when you're gay and tell us what it's like.

It is not that easy. They would have to fantasize to gay porn long enough to reprogramand recondition their brains to respond as a female brain instead and why the heck would anyone want to choose to do that anyways.

I can assure you that no amount of watching or attempting to fantasize to gay porn would make me want to have sex with men...

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#86 L1qu1dSword
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[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="megagene"][QUOTE="DJ-PRIME90"][QUOTE="drewtwo99"]

[QUOTE="DJ-PRIME90"]its a choice and it sure as hell can be changed, if they give it a chance...
once they climb into the pink tacho, they'll change their mind very quickly...
megagene

Evidence please?

I don't need evidence;)

Okay, well if sexual orientation is a choice, then please prove it to us by choosing to be homosexual. Make sure you get back to us when you're gay and tell us what it's like.

It is not that easy. They would have to fantasize to gay porn long enough to reprogramand recondition their brains to respond as a female brain instead and why the heck would anyone want to choose to do that anyways.

I can assure you that no amount of watching or attempting to fantasize to gay porn would make me want to have sex with men...

I guess I will just take your word for it then...

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#87 JJ4545
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Sexual orientation is a tricky one. Bit of a gray area.
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#88 Netherscourge
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Sex is a choice I choose to do it!
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The chemistry of the brain is incredibly complex and simple everday occurences can make slight changes to the way it operates. How the brain perceives the organism's sexuality and how it responds to sexual stimuli is just one of many things that can go wrong.

You just fit into the lump majority that would like to believe that they will allways stay the same because it is more comforting to think of things that way. Gay people want to be "born" that way because then they are exempted from being blamed for choices they made.

Straight peopel would also like gay people to be born that way because that way they can go on thinking that nothing could change them from being straight.

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#90 taz412
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It is not a choice and it cannot be changed.
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#91 Netherscourge
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Sex among humans is a recreational act, unless the intent is to reproduce.

However, unintended reproduction can occur during sex between opposite-sex couples.

Who you have sex with or why you choose to have sex with them is meaningless.

The intent is either recreation or procreation.

It's that simple folks.

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#92 hair001
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It's not some snap choice but in some cercamstances it may be changable with certain teraputic techniques. Plus don;t forget that life changes sexuality. If anyone disagres with this then they are rather silly. Have you allways been attracted to the same things to the same degree throughout your life?
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#93 hair001
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The chemistry of the brain is incredibly complex and simple everday occurences can make slight changes to the way it operates. How the brain perceives the organism's sexuality and how it responds to sexual stimuli is just one of many things that can go wrong.

You just fit into the lump majority that would like to believe that they will allways stay the same because it is more comforting to think of things that way. Gay people want to be "born" that way because then they are exempted from being blamed for choices they made.

Straight peopel would also like gay people to be born that way because that way they can go on thinking that nothing could change them from being straight.

L1qu1dSword
This is the most accurate response so far I think. Closest to what I've heard
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Why would anyone want to change someone elses sexual orientaion anyway? Sounds stupid.
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Why would anyone want to change someone elses sexual orientaion anyway? Sounds stupid.Engrish_Major
If like me, they find it sinful and disgusting, for example Christian parents who find that their son became gay
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Why would anyone want to change someone elses sexual orientaion anyway? Sounds stupid.Solid_Snake325
If like me, they find it sinful and disgusting, for example Christian parents who find that their son became gay

Again, I repeat, that sounds stupid. (bad parents)

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#97 taif06
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Its a choice.. Everything in life is a choice made by someone at some point in time.
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I chose the fourth option.
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#99 L1qu1dSword
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[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]

The chemistry of the brain is incredibly complex and simple everday occurences can make slight changes to the way it operates. How the brain perceives the organism's sexuality and how it responds to sexual stimuli is just one of many things that can go wrong.

You just fit into the lump majority that would like to believe that they will allways stay the same because it is more comforting to think of things that way. Gay people want to be "born" that way because then they are exempted from being blamed for choices they made.

Straight peopel would also like gay people to be born that way because that way they can go on thinking that nothing could change them from being straight.

hair001

This is the most accurate response so far I think. Closest to what I've heard

man finally someone who is getting past the politics and is actually seeing the truth of the situation.

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#100 VisualBasic01
Member since 2007 • 65 Posts
I believe homosexuality and heterosexuality are not choices. Embracing or shunning/hiding your orientation certainly is.