Is the Bible The Inerrant Word of God?

1-Because Bible was not supposed to be the end. On the other hand, Quran and prophet Muhammad were supposed to be the end.GazaAli

The reason I asked for them in Arabic because early in this topic I said that I know that the Quran is the word of God because it can't be written by a human, the language itself is so strong and different. For those two scripts you provided I'm 100% sure that they are not Quran, the language is not the language of the Quran. Of course you can ignore my saying and say you are not answering the question...etc, but as a native speaker of Arabic, I do think my opinion matter in this issue. I dunno where you got those thoGazaAli

That's an awfully vague and unfalsifiable statement. :P

Those chapters are from the version of the Qur'an compiled by Ubay ibn Ka'b; are you saying that he forgot what was and wasn't part of the Qur'an, or...?

If the bible has to be interpreted, then how can it be inerrant?

With issues like the NT synoptic problem, OT textual criticism , and stuff like Ussher's chronology, the errors pop out.

The Bible and the Qu'ran are both written by men. They are full of hilarious contradictions, completely inaccurate pseudo-science and myths with as little modern worth as those of the Greeks and Romans - hell, probably less, at least Aesop threw in a few morals. The so called holy books are choc full of slaughter, xenophobia and immorality. Even the supposedly historical side of things is questionable (there's no archaeological evidence for the Jewish exodus from Egypt). Sure, there are nice bits, but they are pieces of advice universal to all humans regardless of faith, and any compassionate piece of advice in the scripture is outweighed by several heinous ones.

I say all this as a former Christian of Jewish descent. I have no problem with someone believing in something if it doesn't harm another, however that's not how it works. Thanks to the Pope, hundreds of thousands of Catholics and non-Catholics in Africa have been infected with AIDS just because the church disagrees with contraception. Homosexuals are still considered second-rate citizens to most of the modern world just because of a few words in Leviticus. Women are given virtually no freedom in most of the Islamic world. And I haven't even mentioned all the wars yet. Religion on its own may be harmless, but as a weapon used by people it can be incredibly deadly. And unfortunately, that's still how it's used.

The Bible and the Qu'ran are both written by men. They are full of hilarious contradictions, completely inaccurate pseudo-science and myths with as little modern worth as those of the Greeks and Romans - hell, probably less, at least Aesop threw in a few morals. The so called holy books are choc full of slaughter, xenophobia and immorality. Even the supposedly historical side of things is questionable (there's no archaeological evidence for the Jewish exodus from Egypt). Sure, there are nice bits, but they are pieces of advice universal to all humans regardless of faith, and any compassionate piece of advice in the scripture is outweighed by several heinous ones.

I say all this as a former Christian of Jewish descent. I have no problem with someone believing in something if it doesn't harm another, however that's not how it works. Thanks to the Pope, hundreds of thousands of Catholics and non-Catholics in Africa have been infected with AIDS just because the church disagrees with contraception. Homosexuals are still considered second-rate citizens to most of the modern world just because of a few words in Leviticus. Women are given virtually no freedom in most of the Islamic world. And I haven't even mentioned all the wars yet. Religion on its own may be harmless, but as a weapon used by people it can be incredibly deadly. And unfortunately, that's still how it's used.

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I lol'ed as I read every sentence of the first paragraph. However, the smile was wiped off of my face when I read the second one.

You have provided any errors....merely used different manuscripts. So until you can provide me with the errors in question I cannot answer your question. LJS9502_basic

Wow. Just, wow. The fact that there exist many manuscripts with differing texts is a dilemma. How can you determine which manuscripts are trustworthy and which aren't? You're merely fooling yourself.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You have provided any errors....merely used different manuscripts. So until you can provide me with the errors in question I cannot answer your question. BluRayHiDef

Wow. Just, wow. The fact that there exist many manuscripts with differing texts is a dilemma. How can you determine which manuscripts are trustworthy and which aren't? You're merely fooling yourself.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You have provided any errors....merely used different manuscripts. So until you can provide me with the errors in question I cannot answer your question. LJS9502_basic

Wow. Just, wow. The fact that there exist many manuscripts with differing texts is a dilemma. How can you determine which manuscripts are trustworthy and which aren't? You're merely fooling yourself.

Bible says that the angels fall and disobey GOD , how is this possible ?gubrushadow

[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]Bible says that the angels fall and disobey GOD , how is this possible ?LJS9502_basic

How about this. Here is a passage from the Bible itself which testifies to the fact that scribes used to falsify the text:

Jeremiah 8:8:

"'How can you say, "We are wise,

for we have the law of the LORD,"

when actually the lying pen of the scribes

has handled it falsely?

9The wise will be put to shame;

they will be dismayed and trapped.

Since they have rejected the word of the LORD,

what kind of wisdom do they have?Jeremiah 8

Keywords: Lying pen of the scribes!

[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]Bible says that the angels fall and disobey GOD , how is this possible ?LJS9502_basic

Keywords: Lying pen of the scribes!

BluRayHiDef

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]Bible says that the angels fall and disobey GOD , how is this possible ?gubrushadow

[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm not arguing the possible. Particularly when we as humans could not contemplate the supernatural with any degree of knowledge. He stated errors and gave us differing manuscripts....which do not define error. It's all well and good if one does not believe nor have faith....but that does not mean the premise for the argument is sound.

LJS9502_basic

So like it's okay to not believe in the bible of today and go to heaven ?

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Keywords: Lying pen of the scribes!

LJS9502_basic

It doesn't matter because there exists the possibility that it could be referring to other books in the Bible. Essentially, the possibility that it's referring to Biblical texts is equal to the possibility that it's not. Hence, there is no way that anyone can believe that the Bible is inerrant beyond a reasonable doubt.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] I want to ask you something , if someone disbelieve in the bible of today , does he go to hell ? ( he believes in GOD).gubrushadow

So like it's okay to not believe in the bible of today and go to heaven ?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Keywords: Lying pen of the scribes!

BluRayHiDef

It doesn't matter because there exists the possibility that it could be referring to other books in the Bible. Essentially, the possibility that it's referring to Biblical texts is equal to the possibility that it's not. Hence, there is no way that anyone can believe that the Bible is inerrant beyond a reasonable doubt.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm not sure what the bible of today is...it hasn't been dramatically changed. Mostly just updated as language has changed. But I'd imagine God looks at the individual and how they choose to live.LJS9502_basic

So like it's okay to not believe in the bible of today and go to heaven ?

Bible is full of errors and contradictions. its not a word of God

There are some quotes from God, but it is almost all written from the perspective from man.

Then factor in human error, bad translations, and selective religious figures (who bundled the books we know as the bible) have distorted it far too much to be the "pure" word/message of God.

no and the sooner we see it as that ( and other "word of god" holy texts ) the better off we'll all be. can these books be used as a guide to live your life well? sure. is it the actual word of god dictated to man? not likely..

Why didn't Jesus write? Did he break his hand?

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]The reason I asked for them in Arabic because early in this topic I said that I know that the Quran is the word of God because it can't be written by a human, the language itself is so strong and different. For those two scripts you provided I'm 100% sure that they are not Quran, the language is not the language of the Quran. Of course you can ignore my saying and say you are not answering the question...etc, but as a native speaker of Arabic, I do think my opinion matter in this issue. I dunno where you got those thoGabuEx

That's an awfully vague and unfalsifiable statement. :P

Those chapters are from the version of the Qur'an compiled by Ubay ibn Ka'b; are you saying that he forgot what was and wasn't part of the Qur'an, or...?

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]I always wonder why SOME atheists try so hard to disprove the Bible and Christianity. You would think one would be happy enough/secure enough to live and let live. Furthermore, attacking someone's beliefs only strengthens their resolve to defend them...basic psychology 101 So threads like this only serve to end purposes: 1. anger people 2. strengthen believers resolve...puts them into defense mode...retreat into a shell These threads (ones that open like this) do NOT promote discussion or understandingGazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="rawsavon"]I always wonder why SOME atheists try so hard to disprove the Bible and Christianity. You would think one would be happy enough/secure enough to live and let live. Furthermore, attacking someone's beliefs only strengthens their resolve to defend them...basic psychology 101 So threads like this only serve to end purposes: 1. anger people 2. strengthen believers resolve...puts them into defense mode...retreat into a shell These threads (ones that open like this) do NOT promote discussion or understandingrawsavon

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]The reason I asked for them in Arabic because early in this topic I said that I know that the Quran is the word of God because it can't be written by a human, the language itself is so strong and different. For those two scripts you provided I'm 100% sure that they are not Quran, the language is not the language of the Quran. Of course you can ignore my saying and say you are not answering the question...etc, but as a native speaker of Arabic, I do think my opinion matter in this issue. I dunno where you got those thoGazaAli

That's an awfully vague and unfalsifiable statement. :P

Those chapters are from the version of the Qur'an compiled by Ubay ibn Ka'b; are you saying that he forgot what was and wasn't part of the Qur'an, or...?

Quran has been memorizied by people from the beginning and still is today, there is no possible way it could have been corrupted.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] When done properly they can. For example Gabu said many times in this topic certain things about the Quran and certain companions. We did not reach to an agreement, but it made me read some interesting stuff.GazaAli

Whether it is or not, it is written by humans, thus it can contain errors. It was never a text "handed" to humanity by God... but merely a few human's writings about the history of the Jews and the teachings of Jesus. I don't see too many moderate Christians these days claiming it is the infallible Word of God... only those extremist evangelicals who want Creationism taught in science cIass.