Is the harry potter series demonic?

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#151 CHOASXIII
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Yes it is demonic and all of you that read should repent.

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#152 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="harashawn"] There is no such thing as witchcraft. It is not possible to contact "evil spirits", ouija boards, tarot cards, and magic 8 balls are made by toy companies, not wizards.harashawn
I didn't say they werent made by wizards, but I do believe in witchcraft and the supernatural. You don't have to believe in it, that's fine, but you saying that is doesn't exist is YOUR opinion.

It's not a matter of opinion. If witches existed then they would be considered a real threat.

more like military a asset.

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#153 Philokalia
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I've had to study and write essays on other gods for Ancient History assignments, and read books based on them as well. Tell me, should I not be studying this subject all of a sudden? Besides, J.K.Rowling even said herself that she researched Wicca and their rituals to give her books an edge. I'd say that's good enough evidence for me...ShadowsDemon

The quote or I won't believe you, arrian.

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#154 ShadowsDemon
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[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="harashawn"] There is no such thing as witchcraft. It is not possible to contact "evil spirits", ouija boards, tarot cards, and magic 8 balls are made by toy companies, not wizards.

I didn't say they werent made by wizards, but I do believe in witchcraft and the supernatural. You don't have to believe in it, that's fine, but you saying that is doesn't exist is YOUR opinion.

It's not a matter of opinion. If witches existed then they would be considered a real threat.

It's because people decide not to believe in them that they aren't considered a real threat. Besides, it's also a matter of belief in the supernatural or not...
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#155 harashawn
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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] I didn't say they werent made by wizards, but I do believe in witchcraft and the supernatural. You don't have to believe in it, that's fine, but you saying that is doesn't exist is YOUR opinion.

It's not a matter of opinion. If witches existed then they would be considered a real threat.

It's because people decide not to believe in them that they aren't considered a real threat. Besides, it's also a matter of belief in the supernatural or not...

If witches were real, there would be no doubt. People decide not to believe in them because witchcract is impossible.
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#156 Netherscourge
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Doesn't Harry Potter celebrate Christmas in the movies?

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#157 BluRayHiDef
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Doesn't Harry Potter celebrate Christmas in the movies?

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Christmas is not a Biblical holiday and is actually of pagan origin. Also, there is no way that Jesus was born on December 25th as the scenery and events during the time of his birth as described in the Gospels are inconsistent with winter. He was born during a time of the year when the whether was warmer.

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#158 Netherscourge
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[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

Doesn't Harry Potter celebrate Christmas in the movies?

BluRayHiDef

Christmas is not a Biblical holiday and is actually of pagan origin. Also, there is no way that Jesus was born on December 25th as the scenery and events during the time of his birth as described in the Gospels are inconsistent with winter. He was born during a time of the year when the whether was warmer.

So the Christmas in Harry Potter was a Pagan celebration, and not about Jesus Christ's Birthday?

Even though Harry and Ron say "Happy Christmas" to each other?

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#159 BluRayHiDef
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

Doesn't Harry Potter celebrate Christmas in the movies?

Netherscourge

Christmas is not a Biblical holiday and is actually of pagan origin. Also, there is no way that Jesus was born on December 25th as the scenery and events during the time of his birth as described in the Gospels are inconsistent with winter. He was born during a time of the year when the whether was warmer.

So the Christmas in Harry Potter was a Pagan celebration, and not about Jesus Christ's Birthday?

Even though Harry and Ron say "Happy Christmas" to each other?

I was just pointing out a fact. However, let's assume that Christmas is a true Christian holiday (even though Santa has nothing to do with Christ). Mixing a godly celebration with paganaism is just as bad as engaging solely in paganism. God wants full dedication.

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#160 whipassmt
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I don't think Harry Potter is demonic, but I've never read the book and I've only watched parts of the movie. I think some Christians find certain things about the book troubling, particularly it's "glorification" of magic and they think the book makes an arbitrary distinction between white magic and black magic while the Bible regards all magic and occult things to be bad. Some of these Christians have said that these criticisms do not apply to the Lord of the Rings because LOTR treats magic more responsibly: the only good guys that use magic are non-human and LOTR takes place in a fictional setting while Potter takes place in England.

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#161 jesuschristmonk
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Doesn't Harry Potter celebrate Christmas in the movies?

Netherscourge
To be honest, I completely forgot about that, since I only remember it really being a big deal in the first movie. I recall them having winter vacations to visit family and what not throughout the series, but no other mentions of Christmas, or any other holidays. I guess since my family celebrates Christmas, just for the sake of celebrating a day where we exchange gifts, not for religious reasons, it really didn't strike me as being that important. Might sit down and watch them again just to see if there is any clear references to anything religious.
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#162 RationalAtheist
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To be honest, I completely forgot about that, since I only remember it really being a big deal in the first movie. I recall them having winter vacations to visit family and what not throughout the series, but no other mentions of Christmas, or any other holidays. I guess since my family celebrates Christmas, just for the sake of celebrating a day where we exchange gifts, not for religious reasons, it really didn't strike me as being that important. Might sit down and watch them again just to see if there is any clear references to anything religious.jesuschristmonk

No need:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_debates_over_the_Harry_Potter_series#Christianity_in_the_novels

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#163 jesuschristmonk
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[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

No need:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_debates_over_the_Harry_Potter_series#Christianity_in_the_novels

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I like how she's stating that she believes in what she believes in, and not saying something along the lines of "what I believe in is right."
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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] I've had to study and write essays on other gods for Ancient History assignments, and read books based on them as well. Tell me, should I not be studying this subject all of a sudden? Besides, J.K.Rowling even said herself that she researched Wicca and their rituals to give her books an edge. I'd say that's good enough evidence for me...Philokalia

The quote or I won't believe you, arrian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_debates_over_the_Harry_Potter_series You might as well read the whole thing at this rate...
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#165 RationalAtheist
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[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] I've had to study and write essays on other gods for Ancient History assignments, and read books based on them as well. Tell me, should I not be studying this subject all of a sudden? Besides, J.K.Rowling even said herself that she researched Wicca and their rituals to give her books an edge. I'd say that's good enough evidence for me...ShadowsDemon

The quote or I won't believe you, arrian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_debates_over_the_Harry_Potter_series

You might as well read the whole thing at this rate...

I can find the "quote" in that Wiki article about Wiccan research, but it is attributed to Austin Cline (from this artlicle) and not J.K. Rowling as you suggested "she said it herself". It is quite clear in the text and the supplied reference 106.

If that's good enough evidence for you, then your evidential rigor is faulty.

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#166 ShadowsDemon
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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="Philokalia"]

The quote or I won't believe you, arrian.

RationalAtheist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_debates_over_the_Harry_Potter_series

You might as well read the whole thing at this rate...

I can find the "quote" in that Wiki article about Wiccan research, but it is attributed to Austin Cline (from this artlicle) and not J.K. Rowling as you suggested "she said it herself". It is quite clear in the text and the supplied reference 106.

If that's good enough evidence for you, then your evidential rigor is faulty.

Read the entire thing. It not be word for word, but the overall hint is extremely strong.
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#167 harashawn
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http://www.pacinst.com/witch.htm There you havee it folks: Rowling, Simon and Garfunkel, George Lucas, Warner Brothers, Coca Cola, Minutemaid, Mattel, Scholastic, and human resource managers, are all satanic witches.

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#168 ShadowsDemon
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http://www.pacinst.com/witch.htm There you havee it folks: Rowling, Simon and Garfunkel, George Lucas, Warner Brothers, Coca Cola, Minutemaid, Mattel, Scholastic, and human resource managers, are all satanic witches.

harashawn
People can believe that if they want to. I don't. Besides, there's a difference between researching witchcraft and actually going as deep as you can. I never said Rowling was a witch.
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[QUOTE="harashawn"]

http://www.pacinst.com/witch.htm There you havee it folks: Rowling, Simon and Garfunkel, George Lucas, Warner Brothers, Coca Cola, Minutemaid, Mattel, Scholastic, and human resource managers, are all satanic witches.

ShadowsDemon

People can believe that if they want to. I don't. Besides, there's a difference between researching witchcraft and actually going as deep as you can. I never said Rowling was a witch.

I suppose astrology works and the earth is flat

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#170 J-man45
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Well this thread has sure flourished...

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#171 ShadowsDemon
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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="harashawn"]

http://www.pacinst.com/witch.htm There you havee it folks: Rowling, Simon and Garfunkel, George Lucas, Warner Brothers, Coca Cola, Minutemaid, Mattel, Scholastic, and human resource managers, are all satanic witches.

wis3boi

People can believe that if they want to. I don't. Besides, there's a difference between researching witchcraft and actually going as deep as you can. I never said Rowling was a witch.

I suppose astrology works and the earth is flat

As usual, you provide the stupidest analogies I've ever seen...
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#172 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] People can believe that if they want to. I don't. Besides, there's a difference between researching witchcraft and actually going as deep as you can. I never said Rowling was a witch.ShadowsDemon

I suppose astrology works and the earth is flat

As usual, you provide the stupidest analogies I've ever seen...

It isn't stupid, it's equivelance. You believe in magic and the supernatural, yet might laugh at someone getting a tarot card reading or someone who got abducted by UFOs. None of these things are grounded in reality and have zero evidence for them and all the evidence against them.

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[QUOTE="jesuschristmonk"]To be honest, I completely forgot about that, since I only remember it really being a big deal in the first movie. I recall them having winter vacations to visit family and what not throughout the series, but no other mentions of Christmas, or any other holidays. I guess since my family celebrates Christmas, just for the sake of celebrating a day where we exchange gifts, not for religious reasons, it really didn't strike me as being that important. Might sit down and watch them again just to see if there is any clear references to anything religious.RationalAtheist

No need:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_debates_over_the_Harry_Potter_series#Christianity_in_the_novels

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Thanks for the link. It might change some of my familys views on harry potter
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#174 ShadowsDemon
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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

I suppose astrology works and the earth is flat

wis3boi

As usual, you provide the stupidest analogies I've ever seen...

It isn't stupid, it's equivelance. You believe in magic and the supernatural, yet might laugh at someone getting a tarot card reading or someone who got abducted by UFOs. None of these things are grounded in reality and have zero evidence for them and all the evidence against them.

It's not about direct 100% scientific proof; it's about the blinding obvious and sometimes the only explanation available other than "chance". Besides, I've known someone who practiced that stuff and experienced supernatural occurrences, so that's good enough for me.
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#175 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] As usual, you provide the stupidest analogies I've ever seen...ShadowsDemon

It isn't stupid, it's equivelance. You believe in magic and the supernatural, yet might laugh at someone getting a tarot card reading or someone who got abducted by UFOs. None of these things are grounded in reality and have zero evidence for them and all the evidence against them.

It's not about direct 100% scientific proof; it's about the blinding obvious and sometimes the only explanation available other than "chance". Besides, I've known someone who practiced that stuff and experienced supernatural occurrences, so that's good enough for me.

No wonder you are so easily convinced of nonsense..."Good enough for me" or "only explanation" or "chance." Expand your mind once in a while.

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Read the entire thing. It not be word for word, but the overall hint is extremely strong.ShadowsDemon

I did read it all before I linked to it, then again when I looked into your faulty claim of putting words in J.K. Rowling's mouth. Remember you said this:

Besides, J.K.Rowling even said herself that she researched Wicca and their rituals to give her books an edge.ShadowsDemon

You included that link I gave as your "proof" that she did say those things herself. Nowhere in the link does she say that herself. That quote is attributed to someone else, as I've already pointed out. Your continued evasion and denial about thisshows how easy it must be for you to believe anything, based on hear-say, inference and supposition.

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#177 lo_Pine
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Damn... a lot of you guys were brought up in real religious towns or whatever. This question was NEVER EVER brought up by anyone where I lived. They were just fun books for kids. I feel bad for you guys living in the states owned by old, white religious people.

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#178 ShadowsDemon
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Damn... a lot of you guys were brought up in real religious towns or whatever. This question was NEVER EVER brought up by anyone where I lived. They were just fun books for kids. I feel bad for you guys living in the states owned by old, white religious people.

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I live in Australia, in the middle of the city. :|
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#179 lo_Pine
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[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]

Damn... a lot of you guys were brought up in real religious towns or whatever. This question was NEVER EVER brought up by anyone where I lived. They were just fun books for kids. I feel bad for you guys living in the states owned by old, white religious people.

ShadowsDemon
I live in Australia, in the middle of the city. :|

And you have heard people say that the Harry Potter books are demonic? When did you last hear that? I mean, this stuff is old...
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#180 ShadowsDemon
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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="lo_Pine"]

Damn... a lot of you guys were brought up in real religious towns or whatever. This question was NEVER EVER brought up by anyone where I lived. They were just fun books for kids. I feel bad for you guys living in the states owned by old, white religious people.

lo_Pine
I live in Australia, in the middle of the city. :|

And you have heard people say that the Harry Potter books are demonic? When did you last hear that? I mean, this stuff is old...

I hear it all over the place......
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[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] I live in Australia, in the middle of the city. :|ShadowsDemon
And you have heard people say that the Harry Potter books are demonic? When did you last hear that? I mean, this stuff is old...

I hear it all over the place......

Well, now that I think about it... it can be perceived demonic without question pretty easily. I mean Slytherin in itself represents the darkside and is almost glorified in the films due to Snape's commanding character. So, I do agree now, the books are demonic. But they are also good in that, clearly, Gryffindor represents the light and good and of course, wins, in the end. The fact that Gryffindor wins in the end proves that the books represent good more so than evil. And this is a struggle we deal with everyday. Big and small. Look at the recent massacres, and look at how in each case the good either shot and killed the evil doer, or captured him. And we all know he will never get away. So good still wins even if the doer is not dead.

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#182 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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You're a demon Harry.

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#183 nunovlopes
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[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]I remember my teacher saw me play with yugioh cards and told me Id go to hell for it. I was so freaked out i threw them away instantly. frannkzappa

Hell doesn't exist. You threw away perfectly good Yugioh cards for an irrational fear. Congratulations.

thats just what Satan wants you to think.

There is no Satan.

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#184 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Zeviander"] Hell doesn't exist. You threw away perfectly good Yugioh cards for an irrational fear. Congratulations.nunovlopes

thats just what Satan wants you to think.

There is no Satan.

Tell that to the silk worms.

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#185 ShadowsDemon
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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="lo_Pine"] And you have heard people say that the Harry Potter books are demonic? When did you last hear that? I mean, this stuff is old...lo_Pine

I hear it all over the place......

Well, now that I think about it... it can be perceived demonic without question pretty easily. I mean Slytherin in itself represents the darkside and is almost glorified in the films due to Snape's commanding character. So, I do agree now, the books are demonic. But they are also good in that, clearly, Gryffindor represents the light and good and of course, wins, in the end. The fact that Gryffindor wins in the end proves that the books represent good more so than evil. And this is a struggle we deal with everyday. Big and small. Look at the recent massacres, and look at how in each case the good either shot and killed the evil doer, or captured him. And we all know he will never get away. So good still wins even if the doer is not dead.

That's one way of looking at it, but I don't see it as demonic from that angle. I play Skyrim, Witcher 2, Dragon Age, etc, which all have extreme supernatural elements, but it's obviously not the same as Harry POtter....to me anyway.
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#186 DeadMan1290
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How can it be considered demonic? Seriously?:|

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#187 DraugenCP
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If you're an inbred puritan stuck in the 17th century, sure.

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#188 harashawn
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How can it be considered demonic? Seriously?:|

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[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] I live in Australia, in the middle of the city. :|ShadowsDemon
And you have heard people say that the Harry Potter books are demonic? When did you last hear that? I mean, this stuff is old...

I hear it all over the place......

And i thought the southern US was bad....

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#190 g0ddyX
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I don't know whether people are being thick or just trying to be funny.

But Harry Potter deals with Magic, Witchcraft, Monsters which can be related to any religion and culture in the world.

So yes, it can have references to Evil Nature. But its how you go about it that matters.
Personally, I see it as purely entertainment and nowt to be afraid of.
Its God who you should be afraid of ;)

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#191 dommeus
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It's fiction, like the bible.