Is the Idea of Eternal Hellfire a Biblical Teaching?

[QUOTE="EntropyWins"]Provide evidence that the nephilim were human and explain why the Bible does not specify this. Also why are sons of god referring to angels in Job? Lastly, what did the angels in Jude do to get punished?Crushmaster

I basically presented my evidence within my questions to you. I dont really need any article that tries to explain away what appears to be a straightforward myth from thousands of years ago in order to make it fit into modern christian belief. I can't prove you wrong, and you can't prove me wrong and that is what is wonderful about the Bible. Everyone can plug their ears call everyone else wrong and not have to worry about anything ever being proven. Until the rapture I mean...

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

[QUOTE="EntropyWins"]Provide evidence that the nephilim were human and explain why the Bible does not specify this. Also why are sons of god referring to angels in Job? Lastly, what did the angels in Jude do to get punished?EntropyWins

I basically presented my evidence within my questions to you. I dont really need any article that tries to explain away what appears to be a straightforward myth from thousands of years ago in order to make it fit into modern christian belief. I can't prove you wrong, and you can't prove me wrong and that is what is wonderful about the Bible. Everyone can plug their ears call everyone else wrong and not have to worry about anything ever being proven. Until the rapture I mean...

Well I'm not sure if your looking for an honest discussion or not, but here is my post on your quesiton again in case you missed it. I'm not a creationist nor a fudamentialist.

Nephilim simply means (loosely translated) "one without a soul", and in the texts is says "the children of God" not Angels necessarily. This could mean simply early humans who God did not want breeding with the Nephilim, the "souless ones". "Giant" is a mistranlastion.

No one is sure what it means exactly, but if you want my honest view, I think it was describing Neanderthal man. That's who I think the Nephilim were, and our ancestors, the homo sapiens, were the children of God and he did not want us breeding with those who looked like man but were not man.

The Neanderthal females could have been the daughters that the Children of God were taking as wives. God not liking this decided to get rid of them later, perhaps that's why Neandertals mysteeriously disappeard?

But that's all just speculation on my part. Though the orgional meaning was never "Giant". That was pure mistranslation. Also much of Genesis is symbolic and not meant to be taken literally, the creation account is literally a story.

In the Hebrew Texts it begins with "Once upon a time, God created the Dirt and the Sky". That's seriously how it begins, and it's "dirt and sky" because the Hebrews did not know of the Heavens or Earth, that was beyond their knowledge.

Also the rapture is not biblical at all, it's purely made up.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

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ShadowMoses900

I'm not sure why you post pictures like that all the time, I think you do it because you want attention and you know OT will give it to you because the majority of members will agree with you and applaud you for it.

I said I believe in Evolution, as do many other religious people. It's only the fundamentalists and those who take the Bible (or it's variations) 100% literally that have a problem with it.

Also I don't think Creationsists are dumb, just they misunderstand things or are ignorant (doesn't mean stupid) of what Evolution actually is. I personally believe God created and used Evolution to make us. A view many religious people have.

because people who say evolution doesnt exist are sticking their fingers in their ears and generally afraid of the fact that humans aren't special, and I find it pretty sad.

[QUOTE="EntropyWins"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
You made the first claim, thus it is on your head to first provide evidence. I have an excellent article which I will give you after you do; feel free to find an article yourself.

ShadowMoses900

I basically presented my evidence within my questions to you. I dont really need any article that tries to explain away what appears to be a straightforward myth from thousands of years ago in order to make it fit into modern christian belief. I can't prove you wrong, and you can't prove me wrong and that is what is wonderful about the Bible. Everyone can plug their ears call everyone else wrong and not have to worry about anything ever being proven. Until the rapture I mean...

Well I'm not sure if your looking for an honest discussion or not, but here is my post on your quesiton again in case you missed it. I'm not a creationist nor a fudamentialist.

Nephilim simply means (loosely translated) "one without a soul", and in the texts is says "the children of God" not Angels necessarily. This could mean simply early humans who God did not want breeding with the Nephilim, the "souless ones". "Giant" is a mistranlastion.

No one is sure what it means exactly, but if you want my honest view, I think it was describing Neanderthal man. That's who I think the Nephilim were, and our ancestors, the homo sapiens, were the children of God and he did not want us breeding with those who looked like man but were not man.

The Neanderthal females could have been the daughters that the Children of God were taking as wives. God not liking this decided to get rid of them later, perhaps that's why Neandertals mysteeriously disappeard?

But that's all just speculation on my part. Though the orgional meaning was never "Giant". That was pure mistranslation. Also much of Genesis is symbolic and not meant to be taken literally, the creation account is literally a story.

In the Hebrew Texts it begins with "Once upon a time, God created the Dirt and the Sky". That's seriously how it begins, and it's "dirt and sky" because the Hebrews did not know of the Heavens or Earth, that was beyond their knowledge.

Also the rapture is not biblical at all, it's purely made up.

it's so sad to see people trying to make sense of the bible and saying to themselves "is not literal" and "is just an analogy" or "just a metaphor", you guys are just fooling yourselves, you see there are so many contradictions in the bible and so many things that make absolutely no sense yet you refuse to see it and instead try to rationalize it.

[QUOTE="J-man45"]

Not trying to be "that guy" but just to point out, the Bible says the words "eternal fire" at least once (Matthew 18:8). And I don't know if I agree with TC's interpretation of a "spirit" or a "soul."

harashawn

The rich man (often referred to as "Dives" which is Latin for rich/wealthy) knew that Lazarus was so poor and refused to help him one bit even though Dives could have easily done so. Thus Dives was punished and sent to hell for failing to help Lazarus.whipassmt

This is still going on? Heaven = with God. Hell = without. Have a nice day....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

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wis3boi

I'm not sure why you post pictures like that all the time, I think you do it because you want attention and you know OT will give it to you because the majority of members will agree with you and applaud you for it.

I said I believe in Evolution, as do many other religious people. It's only the fundamentalists and those who take the Bible (or it's variations) 100% literally that have a problem with it.

Also I don't think Creationsists are dumb, just they misunderstand things or are ignorant (doesn't mean stupid) of what Evolution actually is. I personally believe God created and used Evolution to make us. A view many religious people have.

because people who say evolution doesnt exist are sticking their fingers in their ears and generally afraid of the fact that humans aren't special, and I find it pretty sad.

Until the rapture I mean...EntropyWins

The Rapture is purely an invention by a man called John Wilson Darby. He invented the idea to get people to come to his church in the 1830's.

And he based this idea by cherry picking a single line from the Bible, with no consideration for what it was actually saying.

don't you guys get tired of talking about the same thing every week.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="EntropyWins"]

I basically presented my evidence within my questions to you. I dont really need any article that tries to explain away what appears to be a straightforward myth from thousands of years ago in order to make it fit into modern christian belief. I can't prove you wrong, and you can't prove me wrong and that is what is wonderful about the Bible. Everyone can plug their ears call everyone else wrong and not have to worry about anything ever being proven. Until the rapture I mean...

Krelian-co

Well I'm not sure if your looking for an honest discussion or not, but here is my post on your quesiton again in case you missed it. I'm not a creationist nor a fudamentialist.

Nephilim simply means (loosely translated) "one without a soul", and in the texts is says "the children of God" not Angels necessarily. This could mean simply early humans who God did not want breeding with the Nephilim, the "souless ones". "Giant" is a mistranlastion.

No one is sure what it means exactly, but if you want my honest view, I think it was describing Neanderthal man. That's who I think the Nephilim were, and our ancestors, the homo sapiens, were the children of God and he did not want us breeding with those who looked like man but were not man.

The Neanderthal females could have been the daughters that the Children of God were taking as wives. God not liking this decided to get rid of them later, perhaps that's why Neandertals mysteeriously disappeard?

But that's all just speculation on my part. Though the orgional meaning was never "Giant". That was pure mistranslation. Also much of Genesis is symbolic and not meant to be taken literally, the creation account is literally a story.

In the Hebrew Texts it begins with "Once upon a time, God created the Dirt and the Sky". That's seriously how it begins, and it's "dirt and sky" because the Hebrews did not know of the Heavens or Earth, that was beyond their knowledge.

Also the rapture is not biblical at all, it's purely made up.

it's so sad to see people trying to make sense of the bible and saying to themselves "is not literal" and "is just an analogy" or "just a metaphor", you guys are just fooling yourselves, you see there are so many contradictions in the bible and so many things that make absolutely no sense yet you refuse to see it and instead try to rationalize it.

How are we fooling oursleves? Of course the Bible has contradictions, that's because it was written by several different people, over the course of several different time periods. The laws of Leviticus contradict with many of the teachings of Jesus, but that's due to different time periods.

The ancient Israelites used those laws as it made the most sense to them at that time, the world was harsh and barbaric, they were surronded by other groups who wanted them dead. And some of the dietary laws served a purpose as pork that is not handled or cooked right can kill you, something the ancient Israelits did not know how to do.

You have to take it in the right context. Some texts (like much of Genises) are symbolic and not meant to be taken literally. I think there is wisdom in the Bible and it's variations (Torah, Quran) but you have to do it in the right context.

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="PlanetJosh"]Sounds interesting and I'll check it out further. Id like to believe it. But the story of the rich man in hell in the New Testament disturbs me. The story goes that a rich man while on earth refused to help out those in need specifically a poor man in his neighborhood. The rich man went to hell and the poor man went to heaven. The rich man pleaded for just a little bit of water to cool his tongue to relieve some his suffering in the flames. But heaven wouldnt allow it saying the rich man should have behaved better on earth so he wouldnt have to suffer like this in hell. Would someone please explain this story? Its scaring me having been a Christian years ago and now Im agnostic. You can use verse mining or whatever you have to do to ease my mind about this story. Ok I'm half joking about being scared but please interpret the story anyway plz. Source: Luke. 16:19-31 (Im no bible thumper, heres a link) : http://www.lazaruscomeforth.com/bible-lazarus-and-rich-man Mike-uk

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Well I'm not sure if your looking for an honest discussion or not, but here is my post on your quesiton again in case you missed it. I'm not a creationist nor a fudamentialist.

Nephilim simply means (loosely translated) "one without a soul", and in the texts is says "the children of God" not Angels necessarily. This could mean simply early humans who God did not want breeding with the Nephilim, the "souless ones". "Giant" is a mistranlastion.

No one is sure what it means exactly, but if you want my honest view, I think it was describing Neanderthal man. That's who I think the Nephilim were, and our ancestors, the homo sapiens, were the children of God and he did not want us breeding with those who looked like man but were not man.

The Neanderthal females could have been the daughters that the Children of God were taking as wives. God not liking this decided to get rid of them later, perhaps that's why Neandertals mysteeriously disappeard?

But that's all just speculation on my part. Though the orgional meaning was never "Giant". That was pure mistranslation. Also much of Genesis is symbolic and not meant to be taken literally, the creation account is literally a story.

In the Hebrew Texts it begins with "Once upon a time, God created the Dirt and the Sky". That's seriously how it begins, and it's "dirt and sky" because the Hebrews did not know of the Heavens or Earth, that was beyond their knowledge.

Also the rapture is not biblical at all, it's purely made up.

ShadowMoses900

it's so sad to see people trying to make sense of the bible and saying to themselves "is not literal" and "is just an analogy" or "just a metaphor", you guys are just fooling yourselves, you see there are so many contradictions in the bible and so many things that make absolutely no sense yet you refuse to see it and instead try to rationalize it.

How are we fooling oursleves? Of course the Bible has contradictions, that's because it was written by several different people, over the course of several different time periods. The laws of Leviticus contradict with many of the teachings of Jesus, but that's due to different time periods.

The ancient Israelites used those laws as it made the most sense to them at that time, the world was harsh and barbaric, they were surronded by other groups who wanted them dead. And some of the dietary laws served a purpose as pork that is not handled or cooked right can kill you, something the ancient Israelits did not know how to do.

You have to take it in the right context. Some texts (like much of Genises) are symbolic and not meant to be taken literally. I think there is wisdom in the Bible and it's variations (Torah, Quran) but you have to do it in the right context.

that alone is proof it has nothing divine about it, just an historical book of people trying to impose their rules and beliefs at certain point in time. I do think there is wisdom in them, but nothing that points there is anything supernatural about it

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I'm not sure why you post pictures like that all the time, I think you do it because you want attention and you know OT will give it to you because the majority of members will agree with you and applaud you for it.

I said I believe in Evolution, as do many other religious people. It's only the fundamentalists and those who take the Bible (or it's variations) 100% literally that have a problem with it.

Also I don't think Creationsists are dumb, just they misunderstand things or are ignorant (doesn't mean stupid) of what Evolution actually is. I personally believe God created and used Evolution to make us. A view many religious people have.

Nuck81

because people who say evolution doesnt exist are sticking their fingers in their ears and generally afraid of the fact that humans aren't special, and I find it pretty sad.

In higher thinking capacity, yes. In that we are guided and punished by sky daddy and were created in his image? No.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I'm not sure why you post pictures like that all the time, I think you do it because you want attention and you know OT will give it to you because the majority of members will agree with you and applaud you for it.

I said I believe in Evolution, as do many other religious people. It's only the fundamentalists and those who take the Bible (or it's variations) 100% literally that have a problem with it.

Also I don't think Creationsists are dumb, just they misunderstand things or are ignorant (doesn't mean stupid) of what Evolution actually is. I personally believe God created and used Evolution to make us. A view many religious people have.

Nuck81

because people who say evolution doesnt exist are sticking their fingers in their ears and generally afraid of the fact that humans aren't special, and I find it pretty sad.

[QUOTE="EntropyWins"] Until the rapture I mean...Nuck81

The Rapture is purely an invention by a man called John Wilson Darby. He invented the idea to get people to come to his church in the 1830's.

And he based this idea by cherry picking a single line from the Bible, with no consideration for what it was actually saying.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

[QUOTE="EntropyWins"] Until the rapture I mean...jshaas

The Rapture is purely an invention by a man called John Wilson Darby. He invented the idea to get people to come to his church in the 1830's.

And he based this idea by cherry picking a single line from the Bible, with no consideration for what it was actually saying.

[QUOTE="jshaas"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] No where in the Bible is there an event like the Rapture described.

The Rapture is purely an invention by a man called John Wilson Darby. He invented the idea to get people to come to his church in the 1830's.

And he based this idea by cherry picking a single line from the Bible, with no consideration for what it was actually saying.

Nuck81

Why do atheists spend half their time b itching about religion? Are they that insecure?

Why do atheists spend half their time b itching about religion? Are they that insecure?

Storm_Marine

I'm no longer an atheist. I'm moving toward the faith.

Why do atheists spend half their time b itching about religion? Are they that insecure?

Storm_Marine

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Why do atheists spend half their time b itching about religion? Are they that insecure?

Iszdope

Still bemused aye?

Are you taking proper medication again yet?

Can't tell.

Why do atheists spend half their time b itching about religion? Are they that insecure?

Storm_Marine

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Iszdope"]

Still bemused aye?

Are you taking proper medication again yet?

Can't tell.

Iszdope

You like what you see aye?

Fanks!

You like my buckyballs/cubes yet 'cos I got a surprise coming soon...

For you and another dood! Fair dinkum.

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="Iszdope"]

You like what you see aye?

Fanks!

You like my buckyballs/cubes yet 'cos I got a surprise coming soon...

For you and another dood! Fair dinkum.

Iszdope

Aw man.

You'd really be in trouble if I wasn't so preoccupied.

Why do atheists spend half their time b itching about religion? Are they that insecure?

Storm_Marine

Why do theists constantly make false assumptions about atheists? Oh....right....internet. You'll probably find the vast majority of atheists don't give a rat's ass and only talk about it online here