is there such thing as a "good" criminal?

Robin Hood. aaronmullan

Stealing from the rich does not make him good. And that's a fairy tale. Not real life.

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Robin Hood. Pirate700

Stealing from the rich does not make him good. And that's a fairy tale. Not real life.

Stealing from the rich was more a symbolism for Robin Hood in defying tyranny.

Of course.. Not all criminals are bad.. And criminal, is not a absolute term.. Its a brand people place on it.. The founding fathers were seen as treasonous (word?) criminals by the British Government.sSubZerOo

they weren't good and we're still pressing charges, treasoness dogs *shakes fist*

Of course there is. The idea of lawbreakers being morally bad is actually very, very facist.jointed

It depends on the law being broken. Breaking the speed limit by a couple miles per hour is totally different from a murderer.

[QUOTE="jointed"]Of course there is. The idea of lawbreakers being morally bad is actually very, very facist.Pirate700

It depends on the law being broken. Breaking the speed limit by a couple miles per hour is totally different from a murderer.

Define murder. USA murders people every day if you consider taking human life murder. A gang member shooting another gang member is just another form of war and when innocents are killed, its just casualties.

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[QUOTE="jointed"]Of course there is. The idea of lawbreakers being morally bad is actually very, very facist.WSP87

It depends on the law being broken. Breaking the speed limit by a couple miles per hour is totally different from a murderer.

Define murder. USA murders people every day if you consider taking human life murder. A gang member shooting another gang member is just another form of war and when innocents are killed, its just casualties.

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[QUOTE="jointed"]Of course there is. The idea of lawbreakers being morally bad is actually very, very facist.Pirate700

It depends on the law being broken. Breaking the speed limit by a couple miles per hour is totally different from a murderer.

Define murder. USA murders people every day if you consider taking human life murder. A gang member shooting another gang member is just another form of war and when innocents are killed, its just casualties.

So you admit that America is a ravinous bloodthirsty gang? And i never said it wasn't murder, just that they try to mkae money, America is trying to make money (oil) so they are killing for the same reasons. You lived a sheltered life didn't you? If not i apologize, just think outside of the typical box man, it's dog eat dog.

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[QUOTE="jointed"]Of course there is. The idea of lawbreakers being morally bad is actually very, very facist.WSP87

It depends on the law being broken. Breaking the speed limit by a couple miles per hour is totally different from a murderer.

Define murder. USA murders people every day if you consider taking human life murder. A gang member shooting another gang member is just another form of war and when innocents are killed, its just casualties.

So you admit that America is a ravinous bloodthirsty gang? And i never said it wasn't murder, just that they try to mkae money, America is trying to make money (oil) so they are killing for the same reasons. You lived a sheltered life didn't you? If not i apologize, just think outside of the typical box man, it's dog eat dog.

WTF are you talking about kid? I never said that and only an idiot would think that.:|

so what about Niko Bellic and Marcus Fenix. Would they be considerd "good" criminals?flavian2

Niko robbed a bank and killed scores of people for "mahney".

so what about Niko Bellic and Marcus Fenix. Would they be considerd "good" criminals?flavian2

lol imagine that.

but vigilantes is the only thing that do comes to mind, but it depends on the scenario.

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Robin Hood. Pirate700

Stealing from the rich does not make him good. And that's a fairy tale. Not real life.

I jaywalked to save a dog. "HE'S TEH CRINIMAL!!BAN HIM!"

[spoiler] -_-# [/spoiler]

Vigilantes.

Like the Punisher kinda counts as one. I mean, he does go around killing guys.

I only consider him good because he kills a bunch of bad people that deserve death.

And what about a poor person who steals food to help out his family. I would consider that good. As long as he doesn't harm anyone mentally or physically then I don't consider them bad.

Everyone that signed the Decleration of Independance was a Criminal (in the British's eyes).

I think they were pretty good people.

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[QUOTE="jointed"]Of course there is. The idea of lawbreakers being morally bad is actually very, very facist.Pirate700

It depends on the law being broken. Breaking the speed limit by a couple miles per hour is totally different from a murderer.

Define murder. USA murders people every day if you consider taking human life murder. A gang member shooting another gang member is just another form of war and when innocents are killed, its just casualties.

So you admit that America is a ravinous bloodthirsty gang? And i never said it wasn't murder, just that they try to mkae money, America is trying to make money (oil) so they are killing for the same reasons. You lived a sheltered life didn't you? If not i apologize, just think outside of the typical box man, it's dog eat dog.

WTF are you talking about kid? I never said that and only an idiot would think that.:|

WTF are you talking about? And who the hell is a kid? I'm no goat dude, and if you meant child then you are poorly mistaken. If you can't make the relation in what i said then you shouldn't even respond. In your mind people killing people is murder, right? Well the american PEOPLE kill other PEOPLE in other countries daily. How does this make them any more morally correct than a street gang? It's pathetic on your part that i have to spell it out for you and i wasn't calling america a street gang, only an idiot would think that, buddy.

Vigilantes.

Like the Punisher kinda counts as one. I mean, he does go around killing guys.

I only consider him good because he kills a bunch of bad people that deserve death.

And what about a poor person who steals food to help out his family. I would consider that good. As long as he doesn't harm anyone mentally or physically then I don't consider them bad.

SouL-Tak3R

Sometimes people have no choice but to resort to violence, ive seen it dude. They are victims of their time and culture. Some have no choice but to live by the gun and die by the gun.

What i mean is innocence should be left alone, but our world is far from innocent.

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[QUOTE="jointed"]Of course there is. The idea of lawbreakers being morally bad is actually very, very facist.WSP87

It depends on the law being broken. Breaking the speed limit by a couple miles per hour is totally different from a murderer.

Define murder. USA murders people every day if you consider taking human life murder. A gang member shooting another gang member is just another form of war and when innocents are killed, its just casualties.

So you admit that America is a ravinous bloodthirsty gang? And i never said it wasn't murder, just that they try to mkae money, America is trying to make money (oil) so they are killing for the same reasons. You lived a sheltered life didn't you? If not i apologize, just think outside of the typical box man, it's dog eat dog.

WTF are you talking about kid? I never said that and only an idiot would think that.:|

WTF are you talking about? And who the hell is a kid? I'm no goat dude, and if you meant child then you are poorly mistaken. If you can't make the relation in what i said then you shouldn't even respond. In your mind people killing people is murder, right? Well the american PEOPLE kill other PEOPLE in other countries daily. How does this make them any more morally correct than a street gang? It's pathetic on your part that i have to spell it out for you and i wasn't calling america a street gang, only an idiot would think that, buddy.

Fighting in a war is not murder. Save your hippy, America is evil crap for someone else.

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Pirate700

Fighting in a war is not murder. Save your hippy, America is evil crap for someone else.

LOL, you are so closed minded. I'm no hippy, and i think america should blast their way through to owning those damn oil fields. I love my country and believe me i dont think america is evil. I'm just saying that war is war no matter where it is fought, whether it is in the streets or in another country. So save your one track minded, shotgun cleaning, rebel flag wearing, deer huntin', redneck ideals for someone else, because i can see past the colors red, white, and blue.

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WSP87

Fighting in a war is not murder. Save your hippy, America is evil crap for someone else.

LOL, you are so closed minded. I'm no hippy, and i think america should blast their way through to owning those damn oil fields. I love my country and believe me i dont think america is evil. I'm just saying that war is war no matter where it is fought, whether it is in the streets or in another country. So save your one track minded, shotgun cleaning, rebel flag wearing, deer huntin', redneck ideals for someone else, because i can see past the colors red, white, and blue.

With all due respect I think you are way over-thinking what the TC is talking about by criminal.

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Pirate700

Fighting in a war is not murder. Save your hippy, America is evil crap for someone else.

LOL, you are so closed minded. I'm no hippy, and i think america should blast their way through to owning those damn oil fields. I love my country and believe me i dont think america is evil. I'm just saying that war is war no matter where it is fought, whether it is in the streets or in another country. So save your one track minded, shotgun cleaning, rebel flag wearing, deer huntin', redneck ideals for someone else, because i can see past the colors red, white, and blue.

With all due respect I think you are way over-thinking what the TC is talking about by criminal.

No, your just under thinking it. I simply said in the beginning of this whole thing that Killing is killing no matter where it happens and that the term criminal is simply dictated by the government. This then leads to the idea that maybe the term "criminal" is subjective. Then you went on about how you have this holier than thou view about murder (which i'm sorry, but this is a major part of an overtly "Criminal" lifestyle). I've seen gang violence and i've seen war violence and trust me, they are the same damn thing. Innocent people die every day, and i condone it because that is how the damn world works.

Does Magwich qualify?? I like to say that name. Magwich.

One more time. Magwich.

*contented sigh*