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#1 armen925
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Hi everyone i was wondering what you thought of Religion in general. I know Islam is a religion that is very controversial and was wondering what you thought about it. If its too extreme or demanding and not humane, or if its like all the other religions and should be respected.

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they don't like to eat pork, right?
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It's controversial? How?
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i dont know a whole lot about islam. but from the people ive met and talked to it seems to be a peaceful religion like any other. you jus have people like in any other religion/cult/group that take things a little to far and give the religion a bad name
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#6 armen925
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they don't like to eat pork, right?KimLenon

:D right. anything else youd like to contribute

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they don't like to eat pork, right?KimLenon
:| Isn't that Judaism?
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I don't care really. If that's what you need to get by, so be it. Just as long as you don't infringe on the rights and freedoms of others.
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#10 armen925
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It's controversial? How?Sajo7

well it is a subject of controversy. Islam is quite debatable in many areas.

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#11 Sajo7
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Islam at its core teaches hatred and intolerance. All non-muslims are "infidels", which has widely lead to interpretations that non-muslims must be confronted with violence. Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism teach peace and love. You can hate me for saying this, but Islam itself is the root cause of terrorism.UT_Wrestler

Maybe you should read the Quran one of these days before making such bold statements.

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I don't care really. If that's what you need to get by, so be it. Just as long as you don't infringe on the rights and freedoms of others.krazykillaz

But it does exactly that. In Saudi Arabia they cut off the hands of those who steal is just 1 example. Saudi Arabia, actually most of the middle eastern countries, tie their religion over law and government.

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#13 armen925
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[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]Islam at its core teaches hatred and intolerance. All non-muslims are "infidels", which has widely lead to interpretations that non-muslims must be confronted with violence. Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism teach peace and love. You can hate me for saying this, but Islam itself is the root cause of terrorism.Sajo7

Maybe you should read the Quran one of these days before making such bold statements.

lol :lol:

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#14 CreamBeav
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Hi everyone i was wondering what you thought of Religion in general. I know Islam is a religion that is very controversial and was wondering what you thought about it. If its too extreme or demanding and not humane, or if its like all the other religions and should be respected.

armen925

All region should be respected- unfortunately America doesn't always agree.

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I am not a big fan of Islam. After reading Because They Hate, I am convinced that the agenda that we are told so much to believe is simply rhetoric coming from the extremists is actually the attitude and goal of every single practicing Muslim.
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#16 BoG_
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Islamic extremists - not humane

The rest of them - extremely peaceful people. Americans have become paranoid after 9/11. This mass confusion really is not deserved by the majority of muslims. I've encountered many muslims, all of whom are very nice people, devoted to their faith.

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[QUOTE="krazykillaz"]I don't care really. If that's what you need to get by, so be it. Just as long as you don't infringe on the rights and freedoms of others.armen925

But it does exactly that. In Saudi Arabia they cut off the hands of those who steal is just 1 example. Saudi Arabia, actually most of the middle eastern countries, tie their religion over law and government.

That's a problem with the government. Not the religion. No theocracies work very well if you ask me.
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#18 armen925
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[QUOTE="armen925"]

Hi everyone i was wondering what you thought of Religion in general. I know Islam is a religion that is very controversial and was wondering what you thought about it. If its too extreme or demanding and not humane, or if its like all the other religions and should be respected.

CreamBeav

All region should be respected- unfortunately America doesn't always agree.

What about religion that is quite extreme that doesnt respect other peoples choice?

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[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]Islam at its core teaches hatred and intolerance. All non-muslims are "infidels", which has widely lead to interpretations that non-muslims must be confronted with violence. Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism teach peace and love. You can hate me for saying this, but Islam itself is the root cause of terrorism.Sajo7

Maybe you should read the Quran one of these days before making such bold statements.

As I'm sure you've read it cover to cover. Let's do a contrast here. Muhammed spread his faith by violence. Jesus spread his faith by helping the sick and poor.

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#20 CreamBeav
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[QUOTE="CreamBeav"][QUOTE="armen925"]

Hi everyone i was wondering what you thought of Religion in general. I know Islam is a religion that is very controversial and was wondering what you thought about it. If its too extreme or demanding and not humane, or if its like all the other religions and should be respected.

armen925

All region should be respected- unfortunately America doesn't always agree.

What about religion that is quite extreme that doesnt respect other peoples choice?

...a contradiction in terms?...

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It sucks. :)USSJAndrew

Oh and I'd like to reiterate this post, just so people don't get it confused for prejudice...

Christianity sucks.

Judaism sucks.

Hinduism sucks.

Buddhism sucks.

Sikhism sucks.

Taoism sucks.

Paganism sucks.

That's pretty much all the organized religion I can think of off the top of my head.

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#22 BoG_
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UT_wrestler, I may just think of you as a bigot. Since when was Muhammed a bigot? Also realize, the muslims consider Jesus to be a prophet, the prophet of healing, which is why he healed the sick.
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#23 armen925
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[QUOTE="armen925"]

[QUOTE="krazykillaz"]I don't care really. If that's what you need to get by, so be it. Just as long as you don't infringe on the rights and freedoms of others.krazykillaz

But it does exactly that. In Saudi Arabia they cut off the hands of those who steal is just 1 example. Saudi Arabia, actually most of the middle eastern countries, tie their religion over law and government.

That's a problem with the government. Not the religion. No theocracies work very well if you ask me.

But what about all the islamic governments? Only Turkey and the state of israel are a democracy where as all the other countries suffer from the rule of Islam.

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#24 armen925
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[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="CreamBeav"][QUOTE="armen925"]

Hi everyone i was wondering what you thought of Religion in general. I know Islam is a religion that is very controversial and was wondering what you thought about it. If its too extreme or demanding and not humane, or if its like all the other religions and should be respected.

CreamBeav

All region should be respected- unfortunately America doesn't always agree.

What about religion that is quite extreme that doesnt respect other peoples choice?

...a contradiction in terms?...

im sorry please elaborate

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#25 armen925
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[QUOTE="USSJAndrew"]It sucks. :)USSJAndrew

Oh and I'd like to reiterate this post, just so people don't get it confused for prejudice...

Christianity sucks.

Judaism sucks.

Hinduism sucks.

Buddhism sucks.

Sikhism sucks.

Taoism sucks.

Paganism sucks.

That's pretty much all the organized religion I can think of off the top of my head.

:twisted: whats wrong with Buddhism

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[QUOTE="USSJAndrew"]

[QUOTE="USSJAndrew"]It sucks. :)armen925

Oh and I'd like to reiterate this post, just so people don't get it confused for prejudice...

Christianity sucks.

Judaism sucks.

Hinduism sucks.

Buddhism sucks.

Sikhism sucks.

Taoism sucks.

Paganism sucks.

That's pretty much all the organized religion I can think of off the top of my head.

:twisted: whats wrong with Buddhism

Well... Maybe not Buddhism.:P

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I love Buddhism actually. is that it? nobody else wants to say anything about Religion?
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:|

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Delicious contradiction is delicious. Arn't they going to hell anyway (the people who say Islam is violent?) So why not just wait :P
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Islam at its core teaches hatred and intolerance. All non-muslims are "infidels", which has widely lead to interpretations that non-muslims must be confronted with violence. Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism teach peace and love. You can hate me for saying this, but Islam itself is the root cause of terrorism.UT_Wrestler

Ireland must be full of Muslims, I suppose.

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I think there are good muslims and bad muslims. You shouldn't judge people of a religious faith generally as there are some good and some bad as the case in any religion.

As for the religion itself I've heard conflicting views, some say the religion preaches to kill non-believers but then I think someone explained the context of that statement and its validity. Personally, I think the religion is fine, its just certain sects have overblown it and used it to justify their terrorism.

And to the thread, some of the comments are blatant islamophobia and discrimination towards muslims. Please improve your word choice.

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Islamic extremists make other Muslims look bad.
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lmfao.

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#34 armen925
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[QUOTE="Bio_Spark"]

:|

linkthewindow

Delicious contradiction is delicious. Arn't they going to hell anyway (the people who say Islam is violent?) So why not just wait :P

oh my...:? Where is this england? it is quite a contradiction. I dont understand it though. Are they hypocrits? Or they truly believe Islam is a religion of peace.

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I love Buddhism actually. is that it? nobody else wants to say anything about Religion? armen925

How? Are you an avid buddhist or something?

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#37 armen925
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I think there are good muslims and bad muslims. You shouldn't judge people of a religious faith generally as there are some good and some bad as the case in any religion.

As for the religion itself I've heard conflicting views, some say the religion preaches to kill non-believers but then I think someone explained the context of that statement and its validity. Personally, I think the religion is fine, its just certain sects have overblown it and used it to justify their terrorism.

And to the thread, some of the comments are blatant islamophobia and discrimination towards muslims. Please improve your word choice.

kayn83

very good analysis i agree. Its absurd to throw labels around all muslims. There are some good and there are some bad.

As for your second point, that is the conflict. To argue about the authenticity of the religion or more per say the Qu'ran and Hadith. Well lets take a look.

"Men are overseers over women, by reason of that wherewith Allah hath made one of them excel over another, and by reason of that which they expend of their substance. Wherefore righteous women are obedient, and are watchers in husbands absence by the aid and protection of Allah. And those wives whose refractoriness ye fear, exhort them, and avoid them in beds, and beat them; but if they obey you, seek not a way against them; verily Allah is ever Lofty, Grand." (Quran 4:34 A.M. Daryabad Trans.

"Do not let non-Muslims enter mosques. They will go to hell." ( Repentance: 17 )

"O ye who believe! The non-Muslims are unclean. So let them not come near the Inviolable Place of Worship." (Repentance: 28)

"O ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers .... and let them find harshness in you." (Repentance: 123)

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[QUOTE="armen925"]I love Buddhism actually. is that it? nobody else wants to say anything about Religion? USSJAndrew

How? Are you an avid buddhist or something?

no i just like the philosophy and teachings of Buddhism more that those of the major Monotheistic religions. Im an agnostic/atheist and you. :oops:

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[QUOTE="USSJAndrew"]

[QUOTE="armen925"]I love Buddhism actually. is that it? nobody else wants to say anything about Religion? armen925

How? Are you an avid buddhist or something?

no i just like the philosophy and teachings of Buddhism more that those of the major Monotheistic religions. Im an agnostic/atheist and you. :oops:

That I can agree.

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[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="linkthewindow"][QUOTE="Bio_Spark"]

:|

Bio_Spark

Delicious contradiction is delicious. Arn't they going to hell anyway (the people who say Islam is violent?) So why not just wait :P

oh my...:? Where is this england? it is quite a contradiction. I dont understand it though. Are they hypocrits? Or they truly believe Islam is a religion of peace.

Yes, it was London. I think it's just that this guy doesn't have a sense for the ironic. The other signs were violent, but not entertaining like this one.

lol. wow. im guessing you live in england? used to live there. Birmingham and Northamton. When i was there there were quite a few protests.

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[QUOTE="krazykillaz"]I don't care really. If that's what you need to get by, so be it. Just as long as you don't infringe on the rights and freedoms of others.armen925

But it does exactly that. In Saudi Arabia they cut off the hands of those who steal is just 1 example. Saudi Arabia, actually most of the middle eastern countries, tie their religion over law and government.

But seeing that majority living in Arabia are muslims, and none have said anything against this law...... what is it to you?

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[QUOTE="Sajo7"]

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]Islam at its core teaches hatred and intolerance. All non-muslims are "infidels", which has widely lead to interpretations that non-muslims must be confronted with violence. Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism teach peace and love. You can hate me for saying this, but Islam itself is the root cause of terrorism.UT_Wrestler

Maybe you should read the Quran one of these days before making such bold statements.

As I'm sure you've read it cover to cover. Let's do a contrast here. Muhammed spread his faith by violence. Jesus spread his faith by helping the sick and poor.

Example? Have you even read the history of Islam, from a non-biased source that is? If so, please quote that source. (NO BIASED SOURCE PLZ)

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[QUOTE="armen925"]

[QUOTE="krazykillaz"]I don't care really. If that's what you need to get by, so be it. Just as long as you don't infringe on the rights and freedoms of others.MFaraz_Hayat

But it does exactly that. In Saudi Arabia they cut off the hands of those who steal is just 1 example. Saudi Arabia, actually most of the middle eastern countries, tie their religion over law and government.

But seeing that majority living in Arabia are muslims, and none have said anything against this law...... what is it to you?

They are people like me and you and its not fair. Their laws are barbaric and they have no freedom. They are muslims by force not choice and if they convert they will die. This is the reason why nobody says anything about their laws.

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[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"]

[QUOTE="krazykillaz"]I don't care really. If that's what you need to get by, so be it. Just as long as you don't infringe on the rights and freedoms of others.armen925

But it does exactly that. In Saudi Arabia they cut off the hands of those who steal is just 1 example. Saudi Arabia, actually most of the middle eastern countries, tie their religion over law and government.

But seeing that majority living in Arabia are muslims, and none have said anything against this law...... what is it to you?

They are people like me and you and its not fair. Their laws are barbaric and they have no freedom. They are muslims by force not choice and if they convert they will die. This is the reason why nobody says anything about their laws.

If they are muslim by force, no one can stop them from converting to another religion. We all know how rich people are in Arabia. I donot see any law that prevents them from leaving the country? Nor any financial restraints? So if they want to leave the religion, they can simply leave the country, if the law doesn't allow it. Further, it's the law of their country. No one is forcing peple to go there.

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[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"]

[QUOTE="krazykillaz"]I don't care really. If that's what you need to get by, so be it. Just as long as you don't infringe on the rights and freedoms of others.MFaraz_Hayat

But it does exactly that. In Saudi Arabia they cut off the hands of those who steal is just 1 example. Saudi Arabia, actually most of the middle eastern countries, tie their religion over law and government.

But seeing that majority living in Arabia are muslims, and none have said anything against this law...... what is it to you?

They are people like me and you and its not fair. Their laws are barbaric and they have no freedom. They are muslims by force not choice and if they convert they will die. This is the reason why nobody says anything about their laws.

If they are muslim by force, no one can stop them from converting to another religion. We all know how rich people are in Arabia. I donot see any law that prevents them from leaving the country? Nor any financial restraints? So if they want to leave the religion, they can simply leave the country, if the law doesn't allow it. Further, it's the law of their country. No one is forcing peple to go there.

thats precisely it, they are muslims by force. They are preventing them from leaving Islam. Do you know what happens if you tell the imam that your leaving Islam. These fake Clerics they all do it for the money. They cant leave. They have families,homes,their lives are their and if they have to live under Islamic rule they will. Do you expect for all of us to just get up and leave? I am from Istanbul and many Armenians suffered from heavy taxes from the Ottoman Empire because we were Christians. We still stayed we had no where to go. No one is forcing them to go there but the people who are already there are stuck.

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I see this thread going to 20 pages
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[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"]

[QUOTE="krazykillaz"]I don't care really. If that's what you need to get by, so be it. Just as long as you don't infringe on the rights and freedoms of others.armen925

But it does exactly that. In Saudi Arabia they cut off the hands of those who steal is just 1 example. Saudi Arabia, actually most of the middle eastern countries, tie their religion over law and government.

But seeing that majority living in Arabia are muslims, and none have said anything against this law...... what is it to you?

They are people like me and you and its not fair. Their laws are barbaric and they have no freedom. They are muslims by force not choice and if they convert they will die. This is the reason why nobody says anything about their laws.

If they are muslim by force, no one can stop them from converting to another religion. We all know how rich people are in Arabia. I donot see any law that prevents them from leaving the country? Nor any financial restraints? So if they want to leave the religion, they can simply leave the country, if the law doesn't allow it. Further, it's the law of their country. No one is forcing peple to go there.

thats precisely it, they are muslims by force. They are preventing them from leaving Islam. Do you know what happens if you tell the imam that your leaving Islam. These fake Clerics they all do it for the money. They cant leave. They have families,homes,their lives are their and if they have to live under Islamic rule they will. Do you expect for all of us to just get up and leave? I am from Istanbul and many Armenians suffered from heavy taxes from the Ottoman Empire because we were Christians. We still stayed we had no where to go. No one is forcing them to go there but the people who are already there are stuck.

They are not stuck. If they think, that they donot want to follow Islam, and that their is a danger to them: They can leave the country. Better be free, don't you think. It will be better for their families in the future.

Anyways, the ottoman empire doesn't concern me. You want to show that Isalmic rule is bad: Show me a single example from Prophet's Life and the Rule of First Four Caliphs (from a non-biased source). Many, muslim empires were setup later, and not all their policies were in accordance with Islam.

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#48 MFaraz_Hayat
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[QUOTE="kayn83"]

I think there are good muslims and bad muslims. You shouldn't judge people of a religious faith generally as there are some good and some bad as the case in any religion.

As for the religion itself I've heard conflicting views, some say the religion preaches to kill non-believers but then I think someone explained the context of that statement and its validity. Personally, I think the religion is fine, its just certain sects have overblown it and used it to justify their terrorism.

And to the thread, some of the comments are blatant islamophobia and discrimination towards muslims. Please improve your word choice.

armen925

very good analysis i agree. Its absurd to throw labels around all muslims. There are some good and there are some bad.

As for your second point, that is the conflict. To argue about the authenticity of the religion or more per say the Qu'ran and Hadith. Well lets take a look.

"Men are overseers over women, by reason of that wherewith Allah hath made one of them excel over another, and by reason of that which they expend of their substance. Wherefore righteous women are obedient, and are watchers in husbands absence by the aid and protection of Allah. And those wives whose refractoriness ye fear, exhort them, and avoid them in beds, and beat them; but if they obey you, seek not a way against them; verily Allah is ever Lofty, Grand." (Quran 4:34 A.M. Daryabad Trans.

"Do not let non-Muslims enter mosques. They will go to hell." ( Repentance: 17 )

"O ye who believe! The non-Muslims are unclean. So let them not come near the Inviolable Place of Worship." (Repentance: 28)

"O ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers .... and let them find harshness in you." (Repentance: 123)

For the frst verse (the authentc translation):

[Yusufali 4:34]Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

Now according to this verse: Men are being given the duty of taking care of their wives. First of all, this verse says that men, biologically (physically) have been given more strength then women. This is true. NOTE: this doesnot speak about mental strength etc. . Then, God tells women to not to cheat on their husbands (and gard their modesty). If they do, the husbands are told to: First, advise them against it. Then, if they continue to do so,stop sleeping with them.If the continue still, then beat them and lightly. Now, this verse was even explained by the Prophet: He has clearly mentioned in the Hadith, that even under these circumstances, women are not to be it so hard so that it leaves any mark on their body. Plus, they should NEVER be slapped on face (their are even more rules, to be considered before hitting).

Now, the fact that men have been given duty to take care of women and do jobs is not biased. First of all, for men it is an obligatory duty. They have towork to sustain their family. Women, have been given a choice: They can work (if they want, husbad cannot force them), they may not work. Having a job, is not obligatory for them. Example is of Prophet's first wife Hazrat Khadija, who was a successful trader. And was not stopped by the Prophet, from working even after marriage.

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#49 MFaraz_Hayat
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[QUOTE="kayn83"]

I think there are good muslims and bad muslims. You shouldn't judge people of a religious faith generally as there are some good and some bad as the case in any religion.

As for the religion itself I've heard conflicting views, some say the religion preaches to kill non-believers but then I think someone explained the context of that statement and its validity. Personally, I think the religion is fine, its just certain sects have overblown it and used it to justify their terrorism.

And to the thread, some of the comments are blatant islamophobia and discrimination towards muslims. Please improve your word choice.

armen925

very good analysis i agree. Its absurd to throw labels around all muslims. There are some good and there are some bad.

As for your second point, that is the conflict. To argue about the authenticity of the religion or more per say the Qu'ran and Hadith. Well lets take a look.

"Men are overseers over women, by reason of that wherewith Allah hath made one of them excel over another, and by reason of that which they expend of their substance. Wherefore righteous women are obedient, and are watchers in husbands absence by the aid and protection of Allah. And those wives whose refractoriness ye fear, exhort them, and avoid them in beds, and beat them; but if they obey you, seek not a way against them; verily Allah is ever Lofty, Grand." (Quran 4:34 A.M. Daryabad Trans.

"Do not let non-Muslims enter mosques. They will go to hell." ( Repentance: 17 )

"O ye who believe! The non-Muslims are unclean. So let them not come near the Inviolable Place of Worship." (Repentance: 28)

"O ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers .... and let them find harshness in you." (Repentance: 123)

The last verse, is from context of war. Meaning, tells muslims the course of action during a war. ( HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT, YET AGAIN). First read the other adjacent verses and then debate.

For the second last verse, non-muslims are not being allowed to enter Ka'ba. The Holy Mosque of muslims. Thier are various reasons for this, one of them being that non-muslims are unaware of muslim rituals and therefore may hurt muslims, by their actions. Further, it's position is the same as Vatican for christians and Jews sacred places.

The verse (repentance 17) has been presented wrongly:

[Yusufali 9:17] It is not for such as join gods with Allah, to visit or maintain the mosques of Allah while they witness against their own souls to infidelity. The works of such bear no fruit: In Fire shall they dwell.
[Yusufali 9:18] The mosques of Allah shall be visited and maintained by such as believe in Allah and the Last Day, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity, and fear none (at all) except Allah. It is they who are expected to be on true guidance

These verses say, that it is the DUTY of muslims to enter the mosques and maintain it, but not the DUTY of the non-muslims to do so. Further, example of non-muslims entering mosque is their in Prophet's life. When Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) allowed christians to offer their pryers in Masjid Nabvi ( another extremely holy mosque for the muslims).