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[QUOTE="shinian"][QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="Sajo7"]Maybe you should read the Quran one of these days before making such bold statements.
LJS9502_basic
As I'm sure you've read it cover to cover. Let's do a contrast here. Muhammed spread his faith by violence. Jesus spread his faith by helping the sick and poor.
A-W-E-S-O-M-E contrast. You just forgot about crusades and witch hunts.
Neither of which were made because Jesus said to attack. In fact, if you read about either subject you will find out just how little actual religion had to do with either. But since you wish to bring up this subject....give me a few NT quotes in support.
I'm a Roman Catholic and I'm aware of the fact that witch hunts and crusades where a misinterpretation of OT/NT. But the same goes for the terrorist attacks of the muslim extremist. I just wanted to make UT_Wrestler to think about the core of the evil. It isn't place in NT neither in Quran.
[QUOTE="armen925"]Evolution provides a way to understand where we originated from and the origin of life thus explaining and showing that the supernatural may not have been involved. :twisted:
LJS9502_basic
No it doesn't. I'm guessing you don't understand the difference.
Off to work.
LOL what the... All im saying is that the theory of Evolution helps us understand our origins better in a way to help us understand where we came from. We dont understand it completely im sure you have to go to complex biochemistry, but it could have been self-replicating molecules such as RNA. i dont know whatever it may be, Evolution sort of fills the gap between man and God.
Islam is no worse than any other religion, it's just that some extreme people misinterpret what's said in it. Don't you have religion classes in the US (or where ever you're from), teaching you about other religions?ikwal
yes i know Christianity was just as bad but you have to understand Islam still keeps some of its brutal methods alive even today in many countries. Christianity has adjusted you dont see anybody stoning anyone do you. But you do see people blowing themselevs up.
[QUOTE="ikwal"]Islam is no worse than any other religion, it's just that some extreme people misinterpret what's said in it. Don't you have religion classes in the US (or where ever you're from), teaching you about other religions?armen925
yes i know Christianity was just as bad but you have to understand Islam still keeps some of its brutal methods alive even today in many countries. Christianity has adjusted you dont see anybody stoning anyone do you. But you do see people blowing themselevs up.
so tell me these brutal methods you are talking about
Although I haven't read the Quran I don't believe that it teach "hatred and intolerance". As with all religions what is written is interpretive and fanatics put their own spin on it.
It is unfortunate that today we assume this stereotype that they are all evil and dangerous.
We should be more tolerant of other religions and other people.
[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="ikwal"]Islam is no worse than any other religion, it's just that some extreme people misinterpret what's said in it. Don't you have religion classes in the US (or where ever you're from), teaching you about other religions?mingo123
yes i know Christianity was just as bad but you have to understand Islam still keeps some of its brutal methods alive even today in many countries. Christianity has adjusted you dont see anybody stoning anyone do you. But you do see people blowing themselevs up.
so tell me these brutal methods you are talking about
In Saudi Arabia they cut off your hand if you steal as i mentioned before, They kill you if you convert, They dont teach certain things in school they have censorships, Women have poor rights, Many extremists are blowing themseleves up, shiites fighting sunnis, women beatings sever in many cases, Again women dressed in all black like a ghost, no free will, ect ect
In Saudi Arabia they cut off your hand if you steal as i mentioned before, They kill you if you convert, They dont teach certain things in school they have censorships, Women have poor rights, Many extremists are blowing themseleves up, shiites fighting sunnis, women beatings sever in many cases, Again women dressed in all black like a ghost, no free will, ect ectarmen925
what does Islam have to do with that?
Although I haven't read the Quran I don't believe that it teach "hatred and intolerance". As with all religions what is written is interpretive and fanatics put their own spin on it.
It is unfortunate that today we assume this stereotype that they are all evil and dangerous.
We should be more tolerant of other religions and other people.
biggest_loser
see i dont understand this. The Bible in the old testament do you know how many he killed? If you value life you would understand that God of the Old testament was a horrible man. Caused plagues, flood the whole world, what happened to the Amelkites? Calls homosexuals sinners and then says theyll end up in hell? Thats not evil and dangerous to you? You dont condemn this?
No my friend religion should be tolerate of us
[QUOTE="armen925"]In Saudi Arabia they cut off your hand if you steal as i mentioned before, They kill you if you convert, They dont teach certain things in school they have censorships, Women have poor rights, Many extremists are blowing themseleves up, shiites fighting sunnis, women beatings sever in many cases, Again women dressed in all black like a ghost, no free will, ect ectmingo123
what does Islam have to do with that?
Saudi Arabia bases its laws on Quran.
[QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="armen925"]In Saudi Arabia they cut off your hand if you steal as i mentioned before, They kill you if you convert, They dont teach certain things in school they have censorships, Women have poor rights, Many extremists are blowing themseleves up, shiites fighting sunnis, women beatings sever in many cases, Again women dressed in all black like a ghost, no free will, ect ectarmen925
what does Islam have to do with that?
Saudi Arabia bases its laws on Quran.
O RLY? provide me verses from Quran that actually say that
[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Although I haven't read the Quran I don't believe that it teach "hatred and intolerance". As with all religions what is written is interpretive and fanatics put their own spin on it.
It is unfortunate that today we assume this stereotype that they are all evil and dangerous.
We should be more tolerant of other religions and other people.
armen925
see i dont understand this. The Bible in the old testament do you know how many he killed? If you value life you would understand that God of the Old testament was a horrible man. Caused plagues, flood the whole world, what happened to the Amelkites? Calls homosexuals sinners and then says theyll end up in hell? Thats not evil and dangerous to you? You dont condemn this?
No my friend religion should be tolerate of us
But we're not talking about Christianity. We're talking about Islam. When I said other religions I was referring to "Islam" because I am actually Catholic although I don't follow it.
Though I do agree with you that it is quite contradicting.
Perhaps there is a lesson though: God in the old testament flooded the world so that it would be cleansed from Sin.
Now in the new Testament he is much more forgiving and loving, perhaps believing that people have learnt their lesson and will be willing to follow what God believes is right.
[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="armen925"]In Saudi Arabia they cut off your hand if you steal as i mentioned before, They kill you if you convert, They dont teach certain things in school they have censorships, Women have poor rights, Many extremists are blowing themseleves up, shiites fighting sunnis, women beatings sever in many cases, Again women dressed in all black like a ghost, no free will, ect ectmingo123
what does Islam have to do with that?
Saudi Arabia bases its laws on Quran.
O RLY? provide me verses from Quran that actually say that
Yusuf Ali:
"....As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)." -Quran 4:34
3:90-91 "Verily, those who disbelieved after their Belief and then went on increasing in their disbelief - never will their repentance be accepted [because they repent only by their tongues and not from their hearts]. And they are those who are astray. Verily, those who disbelieved, and died while they were disbelievers, the (whole) earth full of gold will not be accepted from anyone of them even if they offered it as a ransom. For them is a painful torment and they will have no helpers."
Islam at its core teaches hatred and intolerance. All non-muslims are "infidels", which has widely lead to interpretations that non-muslims must be confronted with violence. Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism teach peace and love. You can hate me for saying this, but Islam itself is the root cause of terrorism.UT_Wrestler
lol, best joke eva... you were being serious???
You do know that most religons say non belivers are infidels in a way, except budisism i think, there's been holy wars with pretty much every religon, so if that is your logic then all thier roots are violant and terrorism
Most religons have the same base idea of peace unless you're of a different religon but we live in different times now and it's only extremeists that still believe this way most have tollerance of other religons now
[QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="armen925"]In Saudi Arabia they cut off your hand if you steal as i mentioned before, They kill you if you convert, They dont teach certain things in school they have censorships, Women have poor rights, Many extremists are blowing themseleves up, shiites fighting sunnis, women beatings sever in many cases, Again women dressed in all black like a ghost, no free will, ect ectarmen925
what does Islam have to do with that?
Saudi Arabia bases its laws on Quran.
O RLY? provide me verses from Quran that actually say that
Yusuf Ali:
"....As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)." -Quran 4:34
3:90-91 "Verily, those who disbelieved after their Belief and then went on increasing in their disbelief - never will their repentance be accepted [because they repent only by their tongues and not from their hearts]. And they are those who are astray. Verily, those who disbelieved, and died while they were disbelievers, the (whole) earth full of gold will not be accepted from anyone of them even if they offered it as a ransom. For them is a painful torment and they will have no helpers."
1. http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/dv-4-34-shafaat.html
2. I dont see where in second quote it says to kill those who convert from Islam
[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Although I haven't read the Quran I don't believe that it teach "hatred and intolerance". As with all religions what is written is interpretive and fanatics put their own spin on it.
It is unfortunate that today we assume this stereotype that they are all evil and dangerous.
We should be more tolerant of other religions and other people.
biggest_loser
see i dont understand this. The Bible in the old testament do you know how many he killed? If you value life you would understand that God of the Old testament was a horrible man. Caused plagues, flood the whole world, what happened to the Amelkites? Calls homosexuals sinners and then says theyll end up in hell? Thats not evil and dangerous to you? You dont condemn this?
No my friend religion should be tolerate of us
But we're not talking about Christianity. We're talking about Islam. When I said other religions I was referring to "Islam" because I am actually Catholic although I don't follow it.
Though I do agree with you that it is quite contradicting.
Perhaps there is a lesson though: God in the old testament flooded the world so that it would be cleansed from Sin.
Now in the new Testament he is much more forgiving and loving, perhaps believing that people have learnt their lesson and will be willing to follow what God believes is right.
it is very contradicting but it seems no matter how much evidence is put out there people still believe. For instance, If there was a worldwide flood we would be able to see it on the Earths crust scientists would be able to tell. They have looked and there was no evidence for the flood.
[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Although I haven't read the Quran I don't believe that it teach "hatred and intolerance". As with all religions what is written is interpretive and fanatics put their own spin on it.
It is unfortunate that today we assume this stereotype that they are all evil and dangerous.
We should be more tolerant of other religions and other people.
armen925
see i dont understand this. The Bible in the old testament do you know how many he killed? If you value life you would understand that God of the Old testament was a horrible man. Caused plagues, flood the whole world, what happened to the Amelkites? Calls homosexuals sinners and then says theyll end up in hell? Thats not evil and dangerous to you? You dont condemn this?
No my friend religion should be tolerate of us
But we're not talking about Christianity. We're talking about Islam. When I said other religions I was referring to "Islam" because I am actually Catholic although I don't follow it.
Though I do agree with you that it is quite contradicting.
Perhaps there is a lesson though: God in the old testament flooded the world so that it would be cleansed from Sin.
Now in the new Testament he is much more forgiving and loving, perhaps believing that people have learnt their lesson and will be willing to follow what God believes is right.
it is very contradicting but it seems no matter how much evidence is put out there people still believe. For instance, If there was a worldwide flood we would be able to see it on the Earths crust scientists would be able to tell. They have looked and there was no evidence for the flood.
there is evidence for a flood in the region of noah though, everything in the bible is exagerated, the world to people at that time may have only been the middle east, interpret it as the known world then it makes sence
[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Although I haven't read the Quran I don't believe that it teach "hatred and intolerance". As with all religions what is written is interpretive and fanatics put their own spin on it.
It is unfortunate that today we assume this stereotype that they are all evil and dangerous.
We should be more tolerant of other religions and other people.
armen925
see i dont understand this. The Bible in the old testament do you know how many he killed? If you value life you would understand that God of the Old testament was a horrible man. Caused plagues, flood the whole world, what happened to the Amelkites? Calls homosexuals sinners and then says theyll end up in hell? Thats not evil and dangerous to you? You dont condemn this?
No my friend religion should be tolerate of us
But we're not talking about Christianity. We're talking about Islam. When I said other religions I was referring to "Islam" because I am actually Catholic although I don't follow it.
Though I do agree with you that it is quite contradicting.
Perhaps there is a lesson though: God in the old testament flooded the world so that it would be cleansed from Sin.
Now in the new Testament he is much more forgiving and loving, perhaps believing that people have learnt their lesson and will be willing to follow what God believes is right.
it is very contradicting but it seems no matter how much evidence is put out there people still believe. For instance, If there was a worldwide flood we would be able to see it on the Earths crust scientists would be able to tell. They have looked and there was no evidence for the flood.
But a lot of the parables in the Bible are not literal. They are usually told to convey a coda of some sort.
[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="armen925"]In Saudi Arabia they cut off your hand if you steal as i mentioned before, They kill you if you convert, They dont teach certain things in school they have censorships, Women have poor rights, Many extremists are blowing themseleves up, shiites fighting sunnis, women beatings sever in many cases, Again women dressed in all black like a ghost, no free will, ect ectmingo123
what does Islam have to do with that?
Saudi Arabia bases its laws on Quran.
O RLY? provide me verses from Quran that actually say that
Yusuf Ali:
"....As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)." -Quran 4:34
3:90-91 "Verily, those who disbelieved after their Belief and then went on increasing in their disbelief - never will their repentance be accepted [because they repent only by their tongues and not from their hearts]. And they are those who are astray. Verily, those who disbelieved, and died while they were disbelievers, the (whole) earth full of gold will not be accepted from anyone of them even if they offered it as a ransom. For them is a painful torment and they will have no helpers."
1. http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/dv-4-34-shafaat.html
2. I dont see where in second quote it says to kill those who convert from Islam
1. Islam portrays men as more dominant. Who is the man to even give a light hitting to a woman? The man should not even lay a finger on her.
2. this passage was about the unbelievers and hell.
[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Although I haven't read the Quran I don't believe that it teach "hatred and intolerance". As with all religions what is written is interpretive and fanatics put their own spin on it.
It is unfortunate that today we assume this stereotype that they are all evil and dangerous.
We should be more tolerant of other religions and other people.
biggest_loser
see i dont understand this. The Bible in the old testament do you know how many he killed? If you value life you would understand that God of the Old testament was a horrible man. Caused plagues, flood the whole world, what happened to the Amelkites? Calls homosexuals sinners and then says theyll end up in hell? Thats not evil and dangerous to you? You dont condemn this?
No my friend religion should be tolerate of us
But we're not talking about Christianity. We're talking about Islam. When I said other religions I was referring to "Islam" because I am actually Catholic although I don't follow it.
Though I do agree with you that it is quite contradicting.
Perhaps there is a lesson though: God in the old testament flooded the world so that it would be cleansed from Sin.
Now in the new Testament he is much more forgiving and loving, perhaps believing that people have learnt their lesson and will be willing to follow what God believes is right.
it is very contradicting but it seems no matter how much evidence is put out there people still believe. For instance, If there was a worldwide flood we would be able to see it on the Earths crust scientists would be able to tell. They have looked and there was no evidence for the flood.
But a lot of the parables in the Bible are not literal. They are usually told to convey a coda of some sort.
Yea but the flood was supposed to be in a literal sense right. :shock:
1. Islam portrays men as more dominant. Who is the man to even give a light hitting to a woman? The man should not even lay a finger on her.
2. this passage was about the unbelievers and hell.
armen925
1. so no matter how bad and disloyal ur wife is you cant even touch her? even after giving so many warnings? ok lulz btw ur wife can take you to court if she is right, also are men not dominant?
2. yeh and what?
[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Although I haven't read the Quran I don't believe that it teach "hatred and intolerance". As with all religions what is written is interpretive and fanatics put their own spin on it.
It is unfortunate that today we assume this stereotype that they are all evil and dangerous.
We should be more tolerant of other religions and other people.
armen925
see i dont understand this. The Bible in the old testament do you know how many he killed? If you value life you would understand that God of the Old testament was a horrible man. Caused plagues, flood the whole world, what happened to the Amelkites? Calls homosexuals sinners and then says theyll end up in hell? Thats not evil and dangerous to you? You dont condemn this?
No my friend religion should be tolerate of us
But we're not talking about Christianity. We're talking about Islam. When I said other religions I was referring to "Islam" because I am actually Catholic although I don't follow it.
Though I do agree with you that it is quite contradicting.
Perhaps there is a lesson though: God in the old testament flooded the world so that it would be cleansed from Sin.
Now in the new Testament he is much more forgiving and loving, perhaps believing that people have learnt their lesson and will be willing to follow what God believes is right.
it is very contradicting but it seems no matter how much evidence is put out there people still believe. For instance, If there was a worldwide flood we would be able to see it on the Earths crust scientists would be able to tell. They have looked and there was no evidence for the flood.
But a lot of the parables in the Bible are not literal. They are usually told to convey a coda of some sort.
Yea but the flood was supposed to be in a literal sense right. :shock:
Well I don't know. Can anything in the Bible be taken as literal? A flood destroying the entire world?
Just think of it as a symbol of the power of God and his determination to cleanse the world and rebuild it free from sin.
"O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good." (Quran, 4:19)
Islam is the greatest religion. PERIOD!
People always have to use Al Queda as an excuse to diss Islam. How about people like Nepolean(Outlaws Rapper), Muhammad Ali? Are these lot intollerent? Do they want to become terrorists? Hell no. They wanna live in peace.
Islam is the greatest religion. PERIOD!
People always have to use Al Queda as an excuse to diss Islam. How about people like Nepolean(Outlaws Rapper), Muhammad Ali? Are these lot intollerent? Do they want to become terrorists? Hell no. They wanna live in peace.
RazMaTaz-1
Well Ali wasn't originally from Islam lol. But I do agree that there are too many stereotypes about the religion!!
Yea but the flood was supposed to be in a literal sense right. :shock:
armen925
No metaphorical, so was the boat, it's much easier to create a metaphirical boat, god's supposed to be nice and all so a literal flood seems unlikely
have you ever thought about the fish and costal birds, if it was a literal flood they'ld be a load of sinful fish and seabirds
Islam is the greatest religion. PERIOD!
People always have to use Al Queda as an excuse to diss Islam. How about people like Nepolean(Outlaws Rapper), Muhammad Ali? Are these lot intollerent? Do they want to become terrorists? Hell no. They wanna live in peace.
RazMaTaz-1
forget Al-Qaeda and Mohammed Ali, I just want proof where it says Muslims should kill infidels no matter what :P yeah yeah go ahead and provide me Surah 9:5 and 9:123 without even reading all of it
[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Although I haven't read the Quran I don't believe that it teach "hatred and intolerance". As with all religions what is written is interpretive and fanatics put their own spin on it.
It is unfortunate that today we assume this stereotype that they are all evil and dangerous.
We should be more tolerant of other religions and other people.
biggest_loser
see i dont understand this. The Bible in the old testament do you know how many he killed? If you value life you would understand that God of the Old testament was a horrible man. Caused plagues, flood the whole world, what happened to the Amelkites? Calls homosexuals sinners and then says theyll end up in hell? Thats not evil and dangerous to you? You dont condemn this?
No my friend religion should be tolerate of us
But we're not talking about Christianity. We're talking about Islam. When I said other religions I was referring to "Islam" because I am actually Catholic although I don't follow it.
Though I do agree with you that it is quite contradicting.
Perhaps there is a lesson though: God in the old testament flooded the world so that it would be cleansed from Sin.
Now in the new Testament he is much more forgiving and loving, perhaps believing that people have learnt their lesson and will be willing to follow what God believes is right.
it is very contradicting but it seems no matter how much evidence is put out there people still believe. For instance, If there was a worldwide flood we would be able to see it on the Earths crust scientists would be able to tell. They have looked and there was no evidence for the flood.
But a lot of the parables in the Bible are not literal. They are usually told to convey a coda of some sort.
Yea but the flood was supposed to be in a literal sense right. :shock:
Well I don't know. Can anything in the Bible be taken as literal? A flood destroying the entire world?
Just think of it as a symbol of the power of God and his determination to cleanse the world and rebuild it free from sin.
Noahs story is supposed to be taken Literally but i dont know what do you believe?
[QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="armen925"]
1. Islam portrays men as more dominant. Who is the man to even give a light hitting to a woman? The man should not even lay a finger on her.
2. this passage was about the unbelievers and hell.
armen925
1. so no matter how bad and disloyal ur wife is you cant even touch her? even after giving so many warnings? ok lulz btw ur wife can take you to court if she is right, also are men not dominant?
2. yeh and what?
1. Mingo you base your Islam off the Qu'ran but your Qu'ran its not for this time. Prophet Muhammed a 54 year old man married Aiysha when she was 6 or 7 years old. And consumed his marriage with her when she was 9. How could the messenger of God marry a girl as young that? You here are giving me a lesson about my wife when you should be talking to Prophet Muhammed:lol:
Muhammed was only married to Aisha since her family wanted to her to get married to her. Prophet refused many times, and soon married her only for her familys sake. He didnt consume sex or any physical activity with her. BTW, Prophet wasnt 54 years old when he married Aisha lol. Do your research
Is they dont follow the bible they must burn in eternal damnation. DUH!gods_word
But then hell would get really crowded and they'ld end up making a huge human pyrimid up to heaven and take over
[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Although I haven't read the Quran I don't believe that it teach "hatred and intolerance". As with all religions what is written is interpretive and fanatics put their own spin on it.
It is unfortunate that today we assume this stereotype that they are all evil and dangerous.
We should be more tolerant of other religions and other people.
armen925
see i dont understand this. The Bible in the old testament do you know how many he killed? If you value life you would understand that God of the Old testament was a horrible man. Caused plagues, flood the whole world, what happened to the Amelkites? Calls homosexuals sinners and then says theyll end up in hell? Thats not evil and dangerous to you? You dont condemn this?
No my friend religion should be tolerate of us
But we're not talking about Christianity. We're talking about Islam. When I said other religions I was referring to "Islam" because I am actually Catholic although I don't follow it.
Though I do agree with you that it is quite contradicting.
Perhaps there is a lesson though: God in the old testament flooded the world so that it would be cleansed from Sin.
Now in the new Testament he is much more forgiving and loving, perhaps believing that people have learnt their lesson and will be willing to follow what God believes is right.
it is very contradicting but it seems no matter how much evidence is put out there people still believe. For instance, If there was a worldwide flood we would be able to see it on the Earths crust scientists would be able to tell. They have looked and there was no evidence for the flood.
But a lot of the parables in the Bible are not literal. They are usually told to convey a coda of some sort.
Yea but the flood was supposed to be in a literal sense right. :shock:
Well I don't know. Can anything in the Bible be taken as literal? A flood destroying the entire world?
Just think of it as a symbol of the power of God and his determination to cleanse the world and rebuild it free from sin.
Noahs story is supposed to be taken Literally but i dont know what do you believe?
Who told you that? Its a parable. You couldn't literally get all those animals together on an Ark lol.
[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Although I haven't read the Quran I don't believe that it teach "hatred and intolerance". As with all religions what is written is interpretive and fanatics put their own spin on it.
It is unfortunate that today we assume this stereotype that they are all evil and dangerous.
We should be more tolerant of other religions and other people.
armen925
see i dont understand this. The Bible in the old testament do you know how many he killed? If you value life you would understand that God of the Old testament was a horrible man. Caused plagues, flood the whole world, what happened to the Amelkites? Calls homosexuals sinners and then says theyll end up in hell? Thats not evil and dangerous to you? You dont condemn this?
No my friend religion should be tolerate of us
But we're not talking about Christianity. We're talking about Islam. When I said other religions I was referring to "Islam" because I am actually Catholic although I don't follow it.
Though I do agree with you that it is quite contradicting.
Perhaps there is a lesson though: God in the old testament flooded the world so that it would be cleansed from Sin.
Now in the new Testament he is much more forgiving and loving, perhaps believing that people have learnt their lesson and will be willing to follow what God believes is right.
it is very contradicting but it seems no matter how much evidence is put out there people still believe. For instance, If there was a worldwide flood we would be able to see it on the Earths crust scientists would be able to tell. They have looked and there was no evidence for the flood.
But a lot of the parables in the Bible are not literal. They are usually told to convey a coda of some sort.
Yea but the flood was supposed to be in a literal sense right. :shock:
Well I don't know. Can anything in the Bible be taken as literal? A flood destroying the entire world?
Just think of it as a symbol of the power of God and his determination to cleanse the world and rebuild it free from sin.
Noahs story is supposed to be taken Literally but i dont know what do you believe?
But what if other people had boats and fish and seabirds, a literal flood wouldn't effect them
1. Mingo you base your Islam off the Qu'ran but your Qu'ran its not for this time. Prophet Muhammed a 54 year old man married Aiysha when she was 6 or 7 years old. And consumed his marriage with her when she was 9. How could the messenger of God marry a girl as young that? You here are giving me a lesson about my wife when you should be talking to Prophet Muhammed:lol:
2. My point is Islam is evil can you not see it? open your eyes what GOD will put people in Hell for ETERNITY why do you believe such nonsense
armen925
1. She was 9 years old, her parents were the one who married her to Prophet Mohammed, also that was widely practiced in those times and still is in alot of third world countries. Prophet Muhammad's marriage with Aisha was 100% legal and acceptable by all laws and Divine Religions!
2. meh you'll see when you die, yeah ok Islam is teh evilz, just keep believeing that :)
[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="armen925"]
1. Islam portrays men as more dominant. Who is the man to even give a light hitting to a woman? The man should not even lay a finger on her.
2. this passage was about the unbelievers and hell.
RazMaTaz-1
1. so no matter how bad and disloyal ur wife is you cant even touch her? even after giving so many warnings? ok lulz btw ur wife can take you to court if she is right, also are men not dominant?
2. yeh and what?
1. Mingo you base your Islam off the Qu'ran but your Qu'ran its not for this time. Prophet Muhammed a 54 year old man married Aiysha when she was 6 or 7 years old. And consumed his marriage with her when she was 9. How could the messenger of God marry a girl as young that? You here are giving me a lesson about my wife when you should be talking to Prophet Muhammed:lol:
Muhammed was only married to Aisha since her family wanted to her to get married to her. Prophet refused many times, and soon married her only for her familys sake. He didnt consume sex or any physical activity with her. BTW, Prophet wasnt 54 years old when he married Aisha lol. Do your research
ops lol sorry i meant how could a 54 year old man who has been addressed already as a prophet have had feelings for Aisha who was only 9. im sorry my fauly. At 25 he married Khadijah, a woman who was 40-years-old and did not marry with another woman as long as she was alive. If the Prophet was a lustful man, he would not have married with an older woman and stay faithful to her all her life.
But i think Muhammed at that time was very poor Khadijah was extrememly wealthy. At that age, he was an orphan boy with little ambitions. Being a poor young man, no one paid attention to him. Kadijah was to him a boon. She gave him the comfort and the ease of mind from financial worries. Now he could afford to retreat to his cave and let his imagination fly; meet Jinns, battle with Satan, converse with Gabriel, and other creatures that haunted his feeble mind.
ops lol sorry i meant how could a 54 year old man who has been addressed already as a prophet have had feelings for Aisha who was only 9. im sorry my fauly. At 25 he married Khadijah, a woman who was 40-years-old and did not marry with another woman as long as she was alive. If the Prophet was a lustful man, he would not have married with an older woman and stay faithful to her all her life.
But i think Muhammed at that time was very poor Khadijah was extrememly wealthy. At that age, he was an orphan boy with little ambitions. Being a poor young man, no one paid attention to him. Kadijah was to him a boon. She gave him the comfort and the ease of mind from financial worries. Now he could afford to retreat to his cave and let his imagination fly; meet Jinns, battle with Satan, converse with Gabriel, and other creatures that haunted his feeble mind.
armen925
awww look where the kid is taking the discussion :lol: got any more BS cooking for us?
[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="armen925"]Yea but the flood was supposed to be in a literal sense right. :shock:
mingo123
only until it's disproven.
wasnt the flood just for Noahs people and not the whole world?
you mean Noahs Animals :P I mean seriousely that had to been one big ark because he had to get all the animals in there. And if it was not in a literal sense then we could blow off most of the stories from the old testament.
[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="edd678"]Is a religion devised by men solely to control women.edd678
I think you'll find any religion does that.
True but Islam imo alot more so.
Islam tells you to treat women equally, I dont see why you people base ur stuff on countries (zomg dis muslim country is teh bad for teh womens!!1) when the country doesnt even follow Islam properly, womens being treated badly is a cultural thing and Islam has nothing to do with it
[QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="armen925"]Yea but the flood was supposed to be in a literal sense right. :shock:
armen925
only until it's disproven.
wasnt the flood just for Noahs people and not the whole world?
you mean Noahs Animals :P I mean seriousely that had to been one big ark because he had to get all the animals in there. And if it was not in a literal sense then we could blow off most of the stories from the old testament.
well OT is full of fail
wasnt the flood just for Noahs people and not the whole world?
mingo123
depends how one interprets it.
True but Islam imo a lot more so.
edd678
not compared to Pagan Religions like the Sumerians and Egyptians, plus you never saw any Christian Priests campaigning for Women's Rights, or at least not officially.
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