Islamization of Europe? Is all this immigration of muslims a good thing? [VIDEO]

[QUOTE="fooZar777"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

So your trying to tell me if 5 million could just up and immigrate one year into the country? No.. Most of these countries full well have a limit for obvious reasons including economics, food supplies, flat out logistics, and many other things.

sSubZerOo

So in your opinion this is similar to a person eating donuts and his "limit" being how many donuts he can eat before he gets sick and throws up. That is not an actual limit.

:| No its the fact of housing and other such things.. If you have a overflow of people coming in that far exceeds the jobs and housing its not a good idea to let them all in.. Because it will lead to numerous problems with poverty and homelessness..

Why are you repeating precisely what I said with different factors :|

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="fooZar777"]

So in your opinion this is similar to a person eating donuts and his "limit" being how many donuts he can eat before he gets sick and throws up. That is not an actual limit.

fooZar777

:| No its the fact of housing and other such things.. If you have a overflow of people coming in that far exceeds the jobs and housing its not a good idea to let them all in.. Because it will lead to numerous problems with poverty and homelessness..

Why are you repeating precisely what I said with different factors :|

And you have yet to disprove it.. Because they set limits based on these projections of what a countyr can handle yearly and what not..

[QUOTE="fooZar777"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:| No its the fact of housing and other such things.. If you have a overflow of people coming in that far exceeds the jobs and housing its not a good idea to let them all in.. Because it will lead to numerous problems with poverty and homelessness..

sSubZerOo

Why are you repeating precisely what I said with different factors :|

And you have yet to disprove it.. Because they set limits based on these projections of what a countyr can handle yearly and what not..

I have no idea where this is coming from. The only country in the EU that has an immigration limit is the UK.

this thread made me remember the user FastNorwegian. wish he still posted here.

As long as they don't make europe/North america Middle east 2 Im fine with them. So basically, If your parents are from an asian country, but if your born in USA, Canada, Australia, Europe start speaking the language and adapt to the culture there. They could just bring there problems here. im also sick of muslims complaining about "merry christmas" YOU CAME TO A wHITE CHRISTIAN COUNTRY DEAL WITH IT!

We let you in stop complaining. And for the tamal tigers, the navy should send them back, they can't just sneek in. We have a beautiful peaceful country, immigrants please stop complaining about canada, immigrants are partly the reason why my dad has a bad job, because all the immigrants take the jobs!!

[QUOTE="Treflis"]I wouldn't say that those with a islamic background is more prone to crimeescapeoftheape

statistics will actually prove you differently. people from islamic countries such as somalia, pakistan, iraq and gambia tend to be much more involved in crime than people from other countries in the third world, like vietnam and sri lanka. the only thing that seperates these two groups of people is their religion. coincidence? well, thats up to you to decide.. but to me, it does indeed seem very suspicious.

Kuwait has a less than average crime rate and its a Muslim country with over 3 million residents.

Religion is not the reason those countries are more involved in crime.

Kuwait has a less than average crime rate and its a Muslim country with over 3 million residents.

Religion is not the reason those countries are more involved in crime.

Immortal--

kuwait has less crime than norway? kuwait is an authoritarian country with very limited freedom of speech.. it also has certain elements of sharia laws implemented into its law system. i wouldnt trust criminal statistics released by the government of that country.

religion is the reason for a lot of violence and a ton of despicable acts in this world. if its not religion that is the reason for the behaviour found in many muslims, then it must be their culture, right? now, what has influenced the middle eastern culture for several thousand years? islam. in fact, islam basically is their culture, and like i mentioned before, it even completely dictates the laws of certain countries.

its only natural to think that muslims religious background is the reason for why they have a bigger tendency to commit crimes than people of other religious backgrounds, when this is the only seperating factor.. but perhaps you have some better suggestions?

Not a big deal, they will slowly assimilate

[QUOTE="Immortal--"]

Kuwait has a less than average crime rate and its a Muslim country with over 3 million residents.

Religion is not the reason those countries are more involved in crime.

escapeoftheape

kuwait has less crime than norway? kuwait is an authoritarian country with very limited freedom of speech.. it also has certain elements of sharia laws implemented into its law system. i wouldnt trust criminal statistics released by the government of that country.

religion is the reason for a lot of violence and a ton of despicable acts in this world. if its not religion that is the reason for the behaviour found in many muslims, then it must be their culture, right? now, what has influenced the middle eastern culture for several thousand years? islam. in fact, islam basically is their culture, and like i mentioned before, it even completely dictates the laws of certain countries.

its only natural to think that muslims religious background is the reason for why they have a bigger tendency to commit crimes than people of other religious backgrounds, when this is the only seperating factor.. but perhaps you have some better suggestions?

Nations like Turkey and Egypt are secular nations :|

[QUOTE="Immortal--"]

Kuwait has a less than average crime rate and its a Muslim country with over 3 million residents.

Religion is not the reason those countries are more involved in crime.

escapeoftheape

kuwait has less crime than norway? kuwait is an authoritarian country with very limited freedom of speech.. it also has certain elements of sharia laws implemented into its law system. i wouldnt trust criminal statistics released by the government of that country.

religion is the reason for a lot of violence and a ton of despicable acts in this world. if its not religion that is the reason for the behaviour found in many muslims, then it must be their culture, right? now, what has influenced the middle eastern culture for several thousand years? islam. in fact, islam basically is their culture, and like i mentioned before, it even completely dictates the laws of certain countries.

its only natural to think that muslims religious background is the reason for why they have a bigger tendency to commit crimes than people of other religious backgrounds, when this is the only seperating factor.. but perhaps you have some better suggestions?

[QUOTE="Immortal--"]

Kuwait has a less than average crime rate and its a Muslim country with over 3 million residents.

Religion is not the reason those countries are more involved in crime.

kuwait has less crime than norway? kuwait is an authoritarian country with very limited freedom of speech.. it also has certain elements of sharia laws implemented into its law system. i wouldnt trust criminal statistics released by the government of that country.

religion is the reason for a lot of violence and a ton of despicable acts in this world. if its not religion that is the reason for the behaviour found in many of them, then it must be their culture, right? now, what has influenced the middle eastern culture for several thousand years? islam. in fact, islam basically is their culture, and like i mentioned before, it even completely dictates the laws of certain countries.

its only natural to think that muslims religious background is the reason for why they have a bigger tendency to commit crimes than people of other religious backgrounds, when this is the only seperating factor.. but perhaps you have some better suggestions?

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Hard call. I've nothing against legal immigration, but I'd hate to see countries lose their cultural identity. Sounds like that is what's going to happen, though. Can't blame immigration for all of it, though. Many european countries have negative birth rates.

sSubZerOo

.. You don't lose your cultural identity, it changes as time goes on..

its only natural to think that muslims religious background is the reason for why they have a bigger tendency to commit crimes than people of other religious backgrounds, when this is the only seperating factor.. but perhaps you have some better suggestions?

escapeoftheape

[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]There is a difference.. Between speaking language and forcing their beliefs and values on others.. Furthermore the United States is a multicultural country.. Far more in fact then Germany.sSubZerOo

Similar thing is going in Britain. In fact, i think Brits are a minority in London currently.

I would not mind immigration if it were not for one thing, i don't like how immigrants can impose their culture. I am not saying i am against everything indian take-out restaraunt etc etc. But things such a sthe Muslim veil or, God forbid, Americanisms in the ENglish language, or others. I don't mind bringing a new flavour to the table. But it is when people want to bring their country with them, and not embrace the values and culture of the country they have decided to live in, that it annoys me.

People from the Middle East are guilty of this in my opinion. It is quite worrying how extremist individuals are currently in local government, although only councils, demonstrates the influence of immigrants. I also think that the government tries to maintain a ridiculous image of the PC state as if to claim a moral superiority. It's things like, jsut an example, when a Somali woman who has no right to be in this country, and should be evicted, is granted a council house, and £2,000 a week on benefits (3655$ (guess)) when other people who have every right to be in this country, get nothing.

If its one thing hte French got right, is the Burka ban. Not for the sake of being anti-muslim, but because immigrants are not embracing the culture and values of a society taht they have opted to live in. If they want to live in that particular community, they should appreciate their values and culture. That is not to say they have to severe ties to their origins though.

[QUOTE="escapeoftheape"]

[QUOTE="Immortal--"]

Kuwait has a less than average crime rate and its a Muslim country with over 3 million residents.

Religion is not the reason those countries are more involved in crime.

Immortal--

kuwait has less crime than norway? kuwait is an authoritarian country with very limited freedom of speech.. it also has certain elements of sharia laws implemented into its law system. i wouldnt trust criminal statistics released by the government of that country.

religion is the reason for a lot of violence and a ton of despicable acts in this world. if its not religion that is the reason for the behaviour found in many muslims, then it must be their culture, right? now, what has influenced the middle eastern culture for several thousand years? islam. in fact, islam basically is their culture, and like i mentioned before, it even completely dictates the laws of certain countries.

its only natural to think that muslims religious background is the reason for why they have a bigger tendency to commit crimes than people of other religious backgrounds, when this is the only seperating factor.. but perhaps you have some better suggestions?

[QUOTE="escapeoftheape"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Uh huh.... This is ignoring the huge Amish, Jewish, Native American, Mormon, etc etc cultures communities acros the nation.. The United States is multi-cultural.. Even our mainstream culture is borrowed from numerous cultures in multiple areas..

sSubZerOo

like i said, the US is a multicultural country. what im saying is that its not necessarily that much more multicultural than europe, though more multi-ethnical.

I never said that.. I said the United States is far more multi cultural then Germany.. Not all of Europe.

you say that. but is it really? aren't these 'multi-cultures' merely influences in the grander American culture. I thought that is how they got everyone to get along, they took everybodies' cultures, since the population was from just about everywhere, and Americanised it. I have always thought there is a distinct American culture.

[QUOTE="escapeoftheape"]

[QUOTE="Immortal--"]

Kuwait has a less than average crime rate and its a Muslim country with over 3 million residents.

Religion is not the reason those countries are more involved in crime.

sSubZerOo

kuwait has less crime than norway? kuwait is an authoritarian country with very limited freedom of speech.. it also has certain elements of sharia laws implemented into its law system. i wouldnt trust criminal statistics released by the government of that country.

religion is the reason for a lot of violence and a ton of despicable acts in this world. if its not religion that is the reason for the behaviour found in many muslims, then it must be their culture, right? now, what has influenced the middle eastern culture for several thousand years? islam. in fact, islam basically is their culture, and like i mentioned before, it even completely dictates the laws of certain countries.

its only natural to think that muslims religious background is the reason for why they have a bigger tendency to commit crimes than people of other religious backgrounds, when this is the only seperating factor.. but perhaps you have some better suggestions?

Nations like Turkey and Egypt are secular nations :|

Calling Egypt secular is a huge stretch. They don't have a great track record and have an official state religion (Islam).

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

No one said it was more multicultural than Europe, just that it is multicultural period.

escapeoftheape

Furthermore the United States is a multicultural country.. Far more in fact then Germany.

sSubZerOo

;)

Germany=All of Europe?!

[QUOTE="Immortal--"][QUOTE="escapeoftheape"]

kuwait has less crime than norway? kuwait is an authoritarian country with very limited freedom of speech.. it also has certain elements of sharia laws implemented into its law system. i wouldnt trust criminal statistics released by the government of that country.

religion is the reason for a lot of violence and a ton of despicable acts in this world. if its not religion that is the reason for the behaviour found in many muslims, then it must be their culture, right? now, what has influenced the middle eastern culture for several thousand years? islam. in fact, islam basically is their culture, and like i mentioned before, it even completely dictates the laws of certain countries.

its only natural to think that muslims religious background is the reason for why they have a bigger tendency to commit crimes than people of other religious backgrounds, when this is the only seperating factor.. but perhaps you have some better suggestions?

escapeoftheape

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="escapeoftheape"]

kuwait has less crime than norway? kuwait is an authoritarian country with very limited freedom of speech.. it also has certain elements of sharia laws implemented into its law system. i wouldnt trust criminal statistics released by the government of that country.

religion is the reason for a lot of violence and a ton of despicable acts in this world. if its not religion that is the reason for the behaviour found in many muslims, then it must be their culture, right? now, what has influenced the middle eastern culture for several thousand years? islam. in fact, islam basically is their culture, and like i mentioned before, it even completely dictates the laws of certain countries.

its only natural to think that muslims religious background is the reason for why they have a bigger tendency to commit crimes than people of other religious backgrounds, when this is the only seperating factor.. but perhaps you have some better suggestions?

Nations like Turkey and Egypt are secular nations :|

Calling Egypt secular is a huge stretch. They don't have a great track record and have an official state religion (Islam).

[QUOTE="0Tyler0"]

It's certainly an interesting topic. The Chancellor of Germany recently said something about how a multicultural country doesn't work, and that immigrants in Germany should speak the language and be German-like.

That might be a little extreme to me, for I think multiculturalism is a good thing. However, it is true that a multicultural country can be hard to govern. I wonder sometimes if the US can actually be multicultural with all of the hate and ignorance that goes on. Here's a link if anybody wants to look at it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-germany-multiculturalism-failures

worlock77

The US is and always has been multicultural, no matter what certain segments of our society may want to think.

I think they need to go back where they came from. It's sad when Norwegians are the minority in Norway. Edit for the exclamation points.Immortalica

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Hard call. I've nothing against legal immigration, but I'd hate to see countries lose their cultural identity. Sounds like that is what's going to happen, though. Can't blame immigration for all of it, though. Many european countries have negative birth rates.

ZIVX

.. You don't lose your cultural identity, it changes as time goes on..

Uh huh because they are so similar to people peacefully and legally migrating instead of a religious holy war bent on spreading their beliefs through blood and conquest.. :|

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"] That's a giant understatmenet. :P Germany is defined as A nation-state.Hexagon_777

Thats great xenophobia. But yet again teh country MOST MINDFUL of that you would think they wouldn't fall into the same trap.. Its not about their past, its more about the fact that the German governmetn has tried eveyrthing to distance themselves from.. Yet they are doing this? That seems pretty hypocritical of their supposed goals.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="escapeoftheape"]

like i said, the US is a multicultural country. what im saying is that its not necessarily that much more multicultural than europe, though more multi-ethnical.

IAMTHEJOKER88

I never said that.. I said the United States is far more multi cultural then Germany.. Not all of Europe.

you say that. but is it really? aren't these 'multi-cultures' merely influences in the grander American culture. I thought that is how they got everyone to get along, they took everybodies' cultures, since the population was from just about everywhere, and Americanised it. I have always thought there is a distinct American culture.

The point is moot because Americanism in general now is that of multi culturalism.. "Americanized" it just means they adopted certain things from multiple different cultures.. And no there isn't there are all sorts of different American cultures.. Depending on where you go and live in the country.. They don't call them the melting pot for nothing.

It wouldn't even be as bad if immigrants integrated into the culture of the nation they are migrating to. This isn't just for muslims btw.Sigh_han

[QUOTE="Sigh_han"]It wouldn't even be as bad if immigrants integrated into the culture of the nation they are migrating to. This isn't just for muslims btw.lordreaven

.. Please define what intergrating means.. Because we have had groups for centuries in the United States that refused to "intergrate" such as the Amish, Mormon and other such communities..

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="Sigh_han"]It wouldn't even be as bad if immigrants integrated into the culture of the nation they are migrating to. This isn't just for muslims btw.sSubZerOo

.. Please define what intergrating means.. Because we have had groups for centuries in the United States that refused to "intergrate" such as the Amish, Mormon and other such communities..

Yea but the US is going through the samething but with Hispanics in the near future white Americans will be the minority. So i can see the relation and concern theat sweden has. out of a 1000 students 2 are swedish thats just sad.POPEYE1716

this isnt really true.. im sure the majority of europeans and americans would prefer massive immigration from south america than from the middle east, for obvious reasons.

Too much of something is never a good thing....Solid_Tango

I expect immigrants from any country to at least learn the language and history.

the new immigrant families cultural trends WILL go through a form of cultural fusion. finding ways to keep onto their own identitiies as well as adopt some of their new home.

Frankly though this big fear of Islamization of Europe reminds me of an old cartoon....

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="lordreaven"] I agree here, in onc elive dina neighbourhood where quite afew families wound't intergrate. They kept saying "the old land is better" an dother nonsense, i would alwasy reply "then why are you here". Not once have i got a decent answear. If i moved to Italy, i would learn italian, same with Germany.lordreaven

.. Please define what intergrating means.. Because we have had groups for centuries in the United States that refused to "intergrate" such as the Amish, Mormon and other such communities..

I don't care that immigrants want to include their own culture into their new country, I don't care how they want to dress, I don't care what they eat or what they celebrate. But I do care about the fact that concervative muslims try to systematically break down our carefully crafted secular countries. I HATE religion with a passion, but I think everyone is entitled to believe what he/she thinks is right. But I won't tolerate that there are groups of people that try to demolish our rational laws and replace them with their faith based laws. We mustn't tolerate that, because that's backwards thinking. Islam is NOT free.

You can't be racist against a religion..-_-

There is no "Islamization" and there will never be any, ever. The first generation may not assimilate all that easily but the subsequent ones will be indistinguishable. Also your culture will change, taking good parts from the newer culture.

There is no "Islamization" and there will never be any, ever. The first generation may not assimilate all that easily but the subsequent ones will be indistinguishable. Also your culture will change, taking good parts from the newer culture.

Former_Slacker

We're already into the 3rd generation of muslims here. And they radicalize faster and are becoming more conservative. They are actually more problematic than the second generation.

All I got from this thread is people need to make more babies; I believe I could lend my services. You're welcome.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="escapeoftheape"]

kuwait has less crime than norway? kuwait is an authoritarian country with very limited freedom of speech.. it also has certain elements of sharia laws implemented into its law system. i wouldnt trust criminal statistics released by the government of that country.

religion is the reason for a lot of violence and a ton of despicable acts in this world. if its not religion that is the reason for the behaviour found in many muslims, then it must be their culture, right? now, what has influenced the middle eastern culture for several thousand years? islam. in fact, islam basically is their culture, and like i mentioned before, it even completely dictates the laws of certain countries.

its only natural to think that muslims religious background is the reason for why they have a bigger tendency to commit crimes than people of other religious backgrounds, when this is the only seperating factor.. but perhaps you have some better suggestions?

limpbizkit818

Nations like Turkey and Egypt are secular nations :|

Calling Egypt secular is a huge stretch. They don't have a great track record and have an official state religion (Islam).

[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]

There is no "Islamization" and there will never be any, ever. The first generation may not assimilate all that easily but the subsequent ones will be indistinguishable. Also your culture will change, taking good parts from the newer culture.

TheFlush

We're already into the 3rd generation of muslims here. And they radicalize faster and are becoming more conservative. They are actually more problematic than the second generation.

One thing I think would be good for a citizenship is a required language course. I don't think you should have to understand the language of you new country perfectly, but at least well enough that you can ask directions or buy food.

All I got from this thread is people need to make more babies; I believe I could lend my services. You're welcome.

Communist_Soul

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]

[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]

There is no "Islamization" and there will never be any, ever. The first generation may not assimilate all that easily but the subsequent ones will be indistinguishable. Also your culture will change, taking good parts from the newer culture.

bobaban

We're already into the 3rd generation of muslims here. And they radicalize faster and are becoming more conservative. They are actually more problematic than the second generation.

That would probably get said country on the poo poo list of the UN and every civil rights group in existance.