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Does anyone have any information on why those 1000 Palestinians were arrested? I haven't seen anything about it.
EsYuGee
[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]i say 1027 terrorists Cause ARABS! = TERRORISTS!1 Jew is worth 1027 Arabs, makes sense.
yomanjdf
[QUOTE="EsYuGee"]
Does anyone have any information on why those 1000 Palestinians were arrested? I haven't seen anything about it.
OmenUK
Your statement assumes that you would need inside info to know the truth, then you post what the USUAL truth is. I'm impressed... :roll:
[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]
Some human lives are more valuable than others. Jews are more valuable than Arab yokels.
lies. we only kill terrorists
mmm poor 14 children that were killed in that elemetery school and those hospitalized patients that had to get out of the hospital even if they were in critical condition. I guess those people don't deserve life because they are generalized as terrorist based on the actions of around 16000 militants? Don't justify anything of the gaza assult there is nothing isreal or hamas did right there. it was just a blood bath for the civilians. plain. simple. Hamas killed those children. If Hamas didn't operate within civilian areas that would never happen. You think Israel put at risk their own soldiers to kill civilians? You think that's why they called hundred thousand gazans and dropped leaflets? Why do you think they entered Gaza with infantry? Also the majority killed was terrorists despite them operating within civilian areas280 of those being released are mass murderers. I can't believe the Israeli cabinet actually agreed to this. Many Israeli's will die for their stupidity.
CannedWorms
The conspiracy theorist in me believes that the Israeli cabinet wantsa pretext for military action that would dwarf even Operation Cast Lead, and it hopes that some of the released prisoners will give it that pretext.
If that seems far-fetched, then just remind yourself that Hamas is a creation of Mossad.
[QUOTE="CannedWorms"]
280 of those being released are mass murderers. I can't believe the Israeli cabinet actually agreed to this. Many Israeli's will die for their stupidity.
Stesilaus
The conspiracy theorist in me believes that the Israeli cabinet wantsa pretext for military action that would dwarf even Operation Cast Lead, and it hopes that some of the released prisoners will give it that pretext.
If that seems far-fetched, then just remind yourself that Hamas is a creation of Mossad.
Well that's your opinion I guess. I think Hamas is the last of Israel's worries and I don't see why they'd need to use a pretext when it'd achieve nothing, and only distract them from genuine threats (Hezbollah and Syria threatening to bomb Israel, Turkey threatening with warships, Iran building a nuclear bomb, Egypt thinking about cutting ties completely etc etc). So I doubt that'll happen.[QUOTE="CannedWorms"]
280 of those being released are mass murderers. I can't believe the Israeli cabinet actually agreed to this. Many Israeli's will die for their stupidity.
Stesilaus
The conspiracy theorist in me believes that the Israeli cabinet wantsa pretext for military action that would dwarf even Operation Cast Lead, and it hopes that some of the released prisoners will give it that pretext.
If that seems far-fetched, then just remind yourself that Hamas is a creation of Mossad.
That's genuinely absurd, and I can only hope that you're doing more of what you tried in regards to "patriotic Iranians" and the like. As for conspiracy theory, I have seen that from you, and personal needling of others... that's it. If there's more to you than conspiracy theorist and agigator, I'd love to see it at least once.
[QUOTE="CannedWorms"]
280 of those being released are mass murderers. I can't believe the Israeli cabinet actually agreed to this. Many Israeli's will die for their stupidity.
The conspiracy theorist in me believes that the Israeli cabinet wantsa pretext for military action that would dwarf even Operation Cast Lead, and it hopes that some of the released prisoners will give it that pretext.
If that seems far-fetched, then just remind yourself that Hamas is a creation of Mossad.
Well that's your opinion I guess. I think Hamas is the last of Israel's worries and I don't see why they'd need to use a pretext when it'd achieve nothing, and only distract them from genuine threats (Hezbollah and Syria threatening to bomb Israel, Turkey threatening with warships, Iran building a nuclear bomb, Egypt thinking about cutting ties completely etc etc). So I doubt that'll happen. Not to mention that if Israel wanted to crush the Palestinians, they don't need an elaborate pretext, they could simply do it. By the time it was done, nations would be faced with the option to condemn and mourn, or condemn, mourn, and retaliate. The USA would condemn, but not brook retaliation. What I find so laughable about most conspiracy theories is that they describe a hugely circumscribed route to something that can be achieved in a straight line.I don't understand your post, your not really giving much information :?
Can someone clear it up for me?
[QUOTE="mayceV"][QUOTE="yomanjdf"]mmm poor 14 children that were killed in that elemetery school and those hospitalized patients that had to get out of the hospital even if they were in critical condition. I guess those people don't deserve life because they are generalized as terrorist based on the actions of around 16000 militants? Don't justify anything of the gaza assult there is nothing isreal or hamas did right there. it was just a blood bath for the civilians. plain. simple. Hamas killed those children. If Hamas didn't operate within civilian areas that would never happen. You think Israel put at risk their own soldiers to kill civilians? You think that's why they called hundred thousand gazans and dropped leaflets? Why do you think they entered Gaza with infantry? Also the majority killed was terrorists despite them operating within civilian areas ... what are you talking about? Hamas is a rag tat group of idiots (politically) that would be annihilated in the open. Isreal used unmanned drones and killed over 6000 palestinians. its not like sending soldiers changes anything in occurances like this look at the jenin massacare where houses where blown up by tanks and arteliry while people were still in them. Snipers shot civilians and executed the hamas leader when he had surrendered(then proceeded to running his body over with a tank. So no hamas didn't drop the bombs. it was isreal. they targeted things in discrimitaly. There were nummerous reports of Isreali's using civilians as human shields, more than hamas. As well as Attacks onmedical personnel by tanks and drones. The prevented the Red cross from entering. you think a call and leaflets make make war crimes alright? really now? that's just a bunch of PR. like going to a kid that had his legs blown off and saying "hey I'm sorry about what my tax dollars did, heres a little note for you to remember me" there was nothing done right by either side. Hamas is an Issue and Isreal can't seem to care wether or not civilians that aren't settlers die or get harrassed or property destroyed or anything. If you're here to compare Isreal to a terrorist group then that says quite a bit about thier forgien policy towards they're occupation.lies. we only kill terrorists
SquirrelTamer
The way I see the whole Israel and Palestine conflict is this.
The Good guys: Jews that support Israel and Non Jews that support Israel
The Bad guys: Self hating Jews agaisnt Israel and Anti Semites against Isarel
I don't support everything Israel does mind you, I don't think they should block Aid ships and I think that the Jews should stop trying to settle on outside Israel territory as that is against Isarel's rules. But the Isralis and Zionists brought freedom and democracy to the region, if it was still under Palestine control women would be second class citizens there and be abused and there wouldbe no freedom of religon (or lack thereof, many Jews in Israel are Secular and not religious) no democracy or any thing like that. Israel is better with the Jews there now, if Palestinians get there way they will kill all the Jews and drive them into the sea. The IDF (Israel Defense Force) is simply defending it'self from the bullys who are trying to kill them, it's just self defense.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
The way I see the whole Israel and Palestine conflict is this.
The Good guys: Jews that support Israel and Non Jews that support Israel
The Bad guys: Self hating Jews agaisnt Israel and Anti Semites against Isarel
weezyfb
That is a dim world view
It's accurate...
Hamas killed those children. If Hamas didn't operate within civilian areas that would never happen. You think Israel put at risk their own soldiers to kill civilians? You think that's why they called hundred thousand gazans and dropped leaflets? Why do you think they entered Gaza with infantry? Also the majority killed was terrorists despite them operating within civilian areas ... what are you talking about? Hamas is a rag tat group of idiots (politically) that would be annihilated in the open. Isreal used unmanned drones and killed over 6000 palestinians. its not like sending soldiers changes anything in occurances like this look at the jenin massacare where houses where blown up by tanks and arteliry while people were still in them. Snipers shot civilians and executed the hamas leader when he had surrendered(then proceeded to running his body over with a tank. So no hamas didn't drop the bombs. it was isreal. they targeted things in discrimitaly. There were nummerous reports of Isreali's using civilians as human shields, more than hamas. As well as Attacks onmedical personnel by tanks and drones. The prevented the Red cross from entering. you think a call and leaflets make make war crimes alright? really now? that's just a bunch of PR. like going to a kid that had his legs blown off and saying "hey I'm sorry about what my tax dollars did, heres a little note for you to remember me" there was nothing done right by either side. Hamas is an Issue and Isreal can't seem to care wether or not civilians that aren't settlers die or get harrassed or property destroyed or anything. If you're here to compare Isreal to a terrorist group then that says quite a bit about thier forgien policy towards they're occupation.[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"][QUOTE="mayceV"] mmm poor 14 children that were killed in that elemetery school and those hospitalized patients that had to get out of the hospital even if they were in critical condition. I guess those people don't deserve life because they are generalized as terrorist based on the actions of around 16000 militants? Don't justify anything of the gaza assult there is nothing isreal or hamas did right there. it was just a blood bath for the civilians. plain. simple.mayceV
So what? Israel fights in the open and still Hamas doesn't kill any Israeli soldier. Only civilians. It's Hamas choice, they are not in any way forced to sacrifice their own civilians because of their pollicies.
6000?? You're talking about cast lead? Not even hamas says that much.
And this doesn't make sense. The Jenin "massacre" has never happened. And how does that justify Hamas attacking school buses 3 times each day?
Israel didn't use human shields per se and that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about operating in civilian areas like that. How many civilians died as a result of this? 200+. And how many because Israel used "human shields"? none! And they didn't.
War crimes?? lol, come on now.
Oh yeah?? That's why the majority killed by Israel are militants while people killed by Palestinians the big majority is civilian. Despite it being much harder to differentate between Palestinians than israelis.
I didn't really compared them at all. This is a conflict so am I suppose to ignore Hamas exists?
[QUOTE="weezyfb"]
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
The way I see the whole Israel and Palestine conflict is this.
The Good guys: Jews that support Israel and Non Jews that support Israel
The Bad guys: Self hating Jews agaisnt Israel and Anti Semites against Isarel
ShadowMoses900
That is a dim world view
It's accurate...
Indeed it is. But I don't like the term "Self hating Jews". Just call them anti-semitic Jews. There's nothing contradictory about that. It's essentially the same thing.[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="weezyfb"]
That is a dim world view
SquirrelTamer
It's accurate...
Indeed it is. But I don't like the term "Self hating Jews". Just call them anti-semitic Jews. There's nothing contradictory about that. It's essentially the same thing.But Jews are semitic so that means they hate semites? But I see your point....
[QUOTE="tenaka2"][QUOTE="yomanjdf"]
we value human life.
my prime minister made a hard and brave choice after
gilad spend 5 years in prison.
vfibsux
This post has been brought to you by the Israeli centerof impartial information.
We don't have to guess where Israel is on your list of countries that should be wiped off the map.This post is very insulting, so, anyone who disagrees with something that you happen to be agree with is automatically a genocidal maniac?
Indeed it is. But I don't like the term "Self hating Jews". Just call them anti-semitic Jews. There's nothing contradictory about that. It's essentially the same thing.[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
It's accurate...
ShadowMoses900
But Jews are semitic so that means they hate semites? But I see your point....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Fischer#Antisemitic_statements
[QUOTE="weezyfb"]
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
The way I see the whole Israel and Palestine conflict is this.
The Good guys: Jews that support Israel and Non Jews that support Israel
The Bad guys: Self hating Jews agaisnt Israel and Anti Semites against Isarel
ShadowMoses900
That is a dim world view
It's accurate...
if you don't support Israel you are a racist? no that is not accurate
USA + Israel = CorruptionThuganomic05I fixed that for you.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="weezyfb"]
That is a dim world view
weezyfb
It's accurate...
if you don't support Israel you are a racist? no that is not accurate That's not what he said. He only said you're on of the bad guys in that case[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="weezyfb"]
That is a dim world view
weezyfb
It's accurate...
if you don't support Israel you are a racist? no that is not accurateLet's see here, if you want Israel to go away how would that happen? Oh that's right by killing and raping the Hebrew people and driving them out into the ocean and drowning them (Hamas said it himself). They arn't going to simply "leave" and go away, they would be killed and it would turn into another holocaust. Meanwhile the Jews just want to be left alone and live in peace but the Palestinans don't like us, Isreal isn't taking over any more territory and they brought democracy and freedom where as the palestinans want a brutal tyrant (Hamas) to rule them, and Hamas hates freedom and so do his supporters they kill women if they want to learn how to read.
Seems pretty accuarte to me...
That's weird, I come from a large Palestinian family and none of the women are looked down on, abused, or thought to be second. They're all Christian and religious and not some hateful people who kill children and cause genocide (the Jews). The women are allowed to wear jeans or whatever else they like, and they originally came from Palestine. How would you like if you grew up in a country, and then the military came in and kicked everyone out? Because that's what happened to my family in the 50's because the Jews came in and wanted the land. You don't know anything about Palestinians.The way I see the whole Israel and Palestine conflict is this.
The Good guys: Jews that support Israel and Non Jews that support Israel
The Bad guys: Self hating Jews agaisnt Israel and Anti Semites against Isarel
I don't support everything Israel does mind you, I don't think they should block Aid ships and I think that the Jews should stop trying to settle on outside Israel territory as that is against Isarel's rules. But the Isralis and Zionists brought freedom and democracy to the region, if it was still under Palestine control women would be second class citizens there and be abused and there wouldbe no freedom of religon (or lack thereof, many Jews in Israel are Secular and not religious) no democracy or any thing like that. Israel is better with the Jews there now, if Palestinians get there way they will kill all the Jews and drive them into the sea. The IDF (Israel Defense Force) is simply defending it'self from the bullys who are trying to kill them, it's just self defense.
ShadowMoses900
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]That's weird, I come from a large Palestinian family and none of the women are looked down on, abused, or thought to be second. They're all Christian and religious and not some hateful people who kill children and cause genocide (the Jews). The women are allowed to wear jeans or whatever else they like, and they originally came from Palestine. How would you like if you grew up in a country, and then the military came in and kicked everyone out? Because that's what happened to my family in the 50's because the Jews came in and wanted the land. You don't know anything about Palestinians. "The Palestinian Authority, using a clause in the Jordanian penal code still in effect in the West Bank, exempts men from punishment for killing a female relative if she has brought dishonor to the family.[39] According to UNICEF, in 2000 two-thirds of all killings in the Palestinian territories were honor killings.[40]"The way I see the whole Israel and Palestine conflict is this.
The Good guys: Jews that support Israel and Non Jews that support Israel
The Bad guys: Self hating Jews agaisnt Israel and Anti Semites against Isarel
I don't support everything Israel does mind you, I don't think they should block Aid ships and I think that the Jews should stop trying to settle on outside Israel territory as that is against Isarel's rules. But the Isralis and Zionists brought freedom and democracy to the region, if it was still under Palestine control women would be second class citizens there and be abused and there wouldbe no freedom of religon (or lack thereof, many Jews in Israel are Secular and not religious) no democracy or any thing like that. Israel is better with the Jews there now, if Palestinians get there way they will kill all the Jews and drive them into the sea. The IDF (Israel Defense Force) is simply defending it'self from the bullys who are trying to kill them, it's just self defense.
MickeyTheNinja
[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]That's weird, I come from a large Palestinian family and none of the women are looked down on, abused, or thought to be second. They're all Christian and religious and not some hateful people who kill children and cause genocide (the Jews). The women are allowed to wear jeans or whatever else they like, and they originally came from Palestine. How would you like if you grew up in a country, and then the military came in and kicked everyone out? Because that's what happened to my family in the 50's because the Jews came in and wanted the land. You don't know anything about Palestinians. "The Palestinian Authority, using a clause in the Jordanian penal code still in effect in the West Bank, exempts men from punishment for killing a female relative if she has brought dishonor to the family.[39] According to UNICEF, in 2000 two-thirds of all killings in the Palestinian territories were honor killings.[40]" My family lives in Jordan, none of that happens.The way I see the whole Israel and Palestine conflict is this.
The Good guys: Jews that support Israel and Non Jews that support Israel
The Bad guys: Self hating Jews agaisnt Israel and Anti Semites against Isarel
I don't support everything Israel does mind you, I don't think they should block Aid ships and I think that the Jews should stop trying to settle on outside Israel territory as that is against Isarel's rules. But the Isralis and Zionists brought freedom and democracy to the region, if it was still under Palestine control women would be second class citizens there and be abused and there wouldbe no freedom of religon (or lack thereof, many Jews in Israel are Secular and not religious) no democracy or any thing like that. Israel is better with the Jews there now, if Palestinians get there way they will kill all the Jews and drive them into the sea. The IDF (Israel Defense Force) is simply defending it'self from the bullys who are trying to kill them, it's just self defense.
SquirrelTamer
if you don't support Israel you are a racist? no that is not accurate[QUOTE="weezyfb"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
It's accurate...
ShadowMoses900
Let's see here, if you want Israel to go away how would that happen? Oh that's right by killing and raping the Hebrew people and driving them out into the ocean and drowning them (Hamas said it himself). They arn't going to simply "leave" and go away, they would be killed and it would turn into another holocaust. Meanwhile the Jews just want to be left alone and live in peace but the Palestinans don't like us, Isreal isn't taking over any more territory and they brought democracy and freedom where as the palestinans want a brutal tyrant (Hamas) to rule them, and Hamas hates freedom and so do his supporters they kill women if they want to learn how to read.
Seems pretty accuarte to me...
Wow, just wow. I'm not even gonna bother. Lets just go to the "we want piece" thing. Did the Israel also want peace when they drove Palestinians out to establish 1100 homes in East Jerusalem? Or was it when they armed and trained illegal settlers?
if you don't support Israel you are a racist? no that is not accurate[QUOTE="weezyfb"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
It's accurate...
ShadowMoses900
Let's see here, if you want Israel to go away how would that happen? Oh that's right by killing and raping the Hebrew people and driving them out into the ocean and drowning them (Hamas said it himself). They arn't going to simply "leave" and go away, they would be killed and it would turn into another holocaust. Meanwhile the Jews just want to be left alone and live in peace but the Palestinans don't like us, Isreal isn't taking over any more territory and they brought democracy and freedom where as the palestinans want a brutal tyrant (Hamas) to rule them, and Hamas hates freedom and so do his supporters they kill women if they want to learn how to read.
Seems pretty accuarte to me...
Great opinion.
I'll come over to your house sometime, take it over, you can have the backyard tho.
When thats over, please don't react badly all I want is peace and freedom.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="weezyfb"] if you don't support Israel you are a racist? no that is not accurate Victorious_Fize
Let's see here, if you want Israel to go away how would that happen? Oh that's right by killing and raping the Hebrew people and driving them out into the ocean and drowning them (Hamas said it himself). They arn't going to simply "leave" and go away, they would be killed and it would turn into another holocaust. Meanwhile the Jews just want to be left alone and live in peace but the Palestinans don't like us, Isreal isn't taking over any more territory and they brought democracy and freedom where as the palestinans want a brutal tyrant (Hamas) to rule them, and Hamas hates freedom and so do his supporters they kill women if they want to learn how to read.
Seems pretty accuarte to me...
Wow, just wow. I'm not even gonna bother. Lets just go to the "we want piece" thing. Did the Israel also want peace when they drove Palestinians out to establish 1100 homes in East Jerusalem? Or was it when they armed and trained illegal settlers? The "settlers" aren't illegal. And you're aware that those palestinians most likely lived in houses owned by Jews! Jews that were kicked out in 48[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="weezyfb"] if you don't support Israel you are a racist? no that is not accurate Victorious_Fize
Let's see here, if you want Israel to go away how would that happen? Oh that's right by killing and raping the Hebrew people and driving them out into the ocean and drowning them (Hamas said it himself). They arn't going to simply "leave" and go away, they would be killed and it would turn into another holocaust. Meanwhile the Jews just want to be left alone and live in peace but the Palestinans don't like us, Isreal isn't taking over any more territory and they brought democracy and freedom where as the palestinans want a brutal tyrant (Hamas) to rule them, and Hamas hates freedom and so do his supporters they kill women if they want to learn how to read.
Seems pretty accuarte to me...
Wow, just wow. I'm not even gonna bother. Lets just go to the "we want piece" thing. Did the Israel also want peace when they drove Palestinians out to establish 1100 homes in East Jerusalem? Or was it when they armed and trained illegal settlers? Don't bother, Jews have a very weird way of seeing things. It's totally fine for them to barge into someone else's land and take whatever they want. But when it happens to them, they cry about it for 70 years. It happened to them, too bad, doesn't mean that have to do it to other people either. What they did was wrong, it was never their land to begin with.[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
[QUOTE="weezyfb"] if you don't support Israel you are a racist? no that is not accurate deangallop
Let's see here, if you want Israel to go away how would that happen? Oh that's right by killing and raping the Hebrew people and driving them out into the ocean and drowning them (Hamas said it himself). They arn't going to simply "leave" and go away, they would be killed and it would turn into another holocaust. Meanwhile the Jews just want to be left alone and live in peace but the Palestinans don't like us, Isreal isn't taking over any more territory and they brought democracy and freedom where as the palestinans want a brutal tyrant (Hamas) to rule them, and Hamas hates freedom and so do his supporters they kill women if they want to learn how to read.
Seems pretty accuarte to me...
Great opinion.
I'll live peacefully in my house, getting attacked by my neighbour from all sides, rockets fired at my house 3 times a day, my neighbours blowing my family up.
When thats over, please don't react badly all I want is peace and freedom.
Fixed
[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Wow, just wow. I'm not even gonna bother. Lets just go to the "we want piece" thing. Did the Israel also want peace when they drove Palestinians out to establish 1100 homes in East Jerusalem? Or was it when they armed and trained illegal settlers? Don't bother, Jews have a very weird way of seeing things. It's totally fine for them to barge into someone else's land and take whatever they want. But when it happens to them, they cry about it for 70 years. It happened to them, too bad, doesn't mean that have to do it to other people either. What they did was wrong, it was never their land to begin with. lol when did that ever happen? Of course it's the Jew's land, who else would it be?Let's see here, if you want Israel to go away how would that happen? Oh that's right by killing and raping the Hebrew people and driving them out into the ocean and drowning them (Hamas said it himself). They arn't going to simply "leave" and go away, they would be killed and it would turn into another holocaust. Meanwhile the Jews just want to be left alone and live in peace but the Palestinans don't like us, Isreal isn't taking over any more territory and they brought democracy and freedom where as the palestinans want a brutal tyrant (Hamas) to rule them, and Hamas hates freedom and so do his supporters they kill women if they want to learn how to read.
Seems pretty accuarte to me...
MickeyTheNinja
Don't bother, Jews have a very weird way of seeing things. It's totally fine for them to barge into someone else's land and take whatever they want. But when it happens to them, they cry about it for 70 years. It happened to them, too bad, doesn't mean that have to do it to other people either. What they did was wrong, it was never their land to begin with. lol when did that ever happen? Of course it's the Jew's land, who else would it be? It was Palestinian's land, that's why it was called Palestine before Jews came in to kick everyone out? Don't you know your history or are you just going by what your parents and the media tell you what happened? Because my family was there when they were kicked out by military and had everything seized. Go learn something.[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] Wow, just wow. I'm not even gonna bother. Lets just go to the "we want piece" thing. Did the Israel also want peace when they drove Palestinians out to establish 1100 homes in East Jerusalem? Or was it when they armed and trained illegal settlers?SquirrelTamer
[QUOTE="mayceV"]
Hamas killed those children. If Hamas didn't operate within civilian areas that would never happen. You think Israel put at risk their own soldiers to kill civilians? You think that's why they called hundred thousand gazans and dropped leaflets? Why do you think they entered Gaza with infantry? Also the majority killed was terrorists despite them operating within civilian areasSquirrelTamer... what are you talking about? Hamas is a rag tat group of idiots (politically) that would be annihilated in the open. Isreal used unmanned drones and killed over 6000 palestinians. its not like sending soldiers changes anything in occurances like this look at the jenin massacare where houses where blown up by tanks and arteliry while people were still in them. Snipers shot civilians and executed the hamas leader when he had surrendered(then proceeded to running his body over with a tank. So no hamas didn't drop the bombs. it was isreal. they targeted things in discrimitaly. There were nummerous reports of Isreali's using civilians as human shields, more than hamas. As well as Attacks onmedical personnel by tanks and drones. The prevented the Red cross from entering. you think a call and leaflets make make war crimes alright? really now? that's just a bunch of PR. like going to a kid that had his legs blown off and saying "hey I'm sorry about what my tax dollars did, heres a little note for you to remember me" there was nothing done right by either side. Hamas is an Issue and Isreal can't seem to care wether or not civilians that aren't settlers die or get harrassed or property destroyed or anything. If you're here to compare Isreal to a terrorist group then that says quite a bit about thier forgien policy towards they're occupation.
So what? Israel fights in the open and still Hamas doesn't kill any Israeli soldier. Only civilians. It's Hamas choice, they are not in any way forced to sacrifice their own civilians because of their pollicies.
6000?? You're talking about cast lead? Not even hamas says that much.
And this doesn't make sense. The Jenin "massacre" has never happened. And how does that justify Hamas attacking school buses 3 times each day?
Israel didn't use human shields per se and that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about operating in civilian areas like that. How many civilians died as a result of this? 200+. And how many because Israel used "human shields"? none! And they didn't.
War crimes?? lol, come on now.
Oh yeah?? That's why the majority killed by Israel are militants while people killed by Palestinians the big majority is civilian. Despite it being much harder to differentate between Palestinians than israelis.
I didn't really compared them at all. This is a conflict so am I suppose to ignore Hamas exists?
wait wait wait, you think I'm justifying a side? no I'm saying that you shouldn't defend Isreal's forgien policy. yeah the jenin massacre happened, I know peopel that had family killed in it. LOL there have been many reports and civilians confirm it is a common proctice that the IDf use human shield to check area before the soldiers. and lol at your fact finding, read the goldstone report or ask people that have seen the conflict up front. I'm right next door to the place man. don't try telling me that Jenin didn't happen. Or that Cast lead wasn't indiscriminatne. 56000 gazans were displaced, 59 health centers hit, 3 schools hit, 4000 buildings distroyed, over 1000 damaged, 85% of farm land and livestock destroyed, Sewege system anihilated. around 500 people were killed in Jenin as reported by a 3rd party british investigation. So yeah Isreal has loads of blood on thier hands. Hamas isn't any better but don't even think about Isreal being a good guy in the story or a victim in the situation. They are more an aggressor than anything else with thier huge expansion in the settler program allowing settler to destroy palestinian property, and indiscrimination in thier attacks. Oh and sorry I got the total number of palestians killed since 2001 mixed up with the cast lead death toll. Also white phsphrus burns were reported on over 200 people. white phosphrus is illegal in any use wether it be for smoke or attacking buildings like what happened in Cast lead. All I'm saying is don't veiw Isreal as a victim they are more the aggressor even with Hamas in the picture. don't ignore Hamas but soon they won't be a problem by the time the next elections are undergone Fateh would be the leading party because Hamas is quickly losing support- as long as the nothing goes wrong with the elections that is.[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Wow, just wow. I'm not even gonna bother. Lets just go to the "we want piece" thing. Did the Israel also want peace when they drove Palestinians out to establish 1100 homes in East Jerusalem? Or was it when they armed and trained illegal settlers? The "settlers" aren't illegal. And you're aware that those palestinians most likely lived in houses owned by Jews! Jews that were kicked out in 48 ICJ declared it illegal. Palestinians are native population, some still even have the deeds, war annexations are illegal too. We're no longer in the medieval world. :|Let's see here, if you want Israel to go away how would that happen? Oh that's right by killing and raping the Hebrew people and driving them out into the ocean and drowning them (Hamas said it himself). They arn't going to simply "leave" and go away, they would be killed and it would turn into another holocaust. Meanwhile the Jews just want to be left alone and live in peace but the Palestinans don't like us, Isreal isn't taking over any more territory and they brought democracy and freedom where as the palestinans want a brutal tyrant (Hamas) to rule them, and Hamas hates freedom and so do his supporters they kill women if they want to learn how to read.
Seems pretty accuarte to me...
SquirrelTamer
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]That's weird, I come from a large Palestinian family and none of the women are looked down on, abused, or thought to be second. They're all Christian and religious and not some hateful people who kill children and cause genocide (the Jews). The women are allowed to wear jeans or whatever else they like, and they originally came from Palestine. How would you like if you grew up in a country, and then the military came in and kicked everyone out? Because that's what happened to my family in the 50's because the Jews came in and wanted the land. You don't know anything about Palestinians.The way I see the whole Israel and Palestine conflict is this.
The Good guys: Jews that support Israel and Non Jews that support Israel
The Bad guys: Self hating Jews agaisnt Israel and Anti Semites against Isarel
I don't support everything Israel does mind you, I don't think they should block Aid ships and I think that the Jews should stop trying to settle on outside Israel territory as that is against Isarel's rules. But the Isralis and Zionists brought freedom and democracy to the region, if it was still under Palestine control women would be second class citizens there and be abused and there wouldbe no freedom of religon (or lack thereof, many Jews in Israel are Secular and not religious) no democracy or any thing like that. Israel is better with the Jews there now, if Palestinians get there way they will kill all the Jews and drive them into the sea. The IDF (Israel Defense Force) is simply defending it'self from the bullys who are trying to kill them, it's just self defense.
MickeyTheNinja
Anti Semitic Lies, the palestinans didn't have freedom of religion or womens rights until the Israelis brought freedom. Women are safer and happier with the Jews running Palestine now, if the Palestinians still ran the region they would still be chpping off women's heads because they didn't cover thier face fully or drove a car.
And when did the Arabs EVER experince a genocide? That's right NEVER! Unless you mean Arab women, which in that case yeah it happens all the time, but thankfully the Jews and Non Jews that support Israel (the Good Guys) put a stop to that. The Jews have suffered so many Genocides and opressions thoughout history that your statement is wrong.
Supporting Israel is supporting freedom and democracy. And the IDF is just practicing self defense, I know becauseI'm friends with them on Facebook.
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The way I see the whole Israel and Palestine conflict is this.
The Good guys: Jews that support Israel and Non Jews that support Israel
The Bad guys: Self hating Jews agaisnt Israel and Anti Semites against Isarel
ShadowMoses900
That is a dim world view
It's accurate...
I'm tempted to say that "facile" would be closer to the mark. But I won't say that because then I'd be accused of needling you personally.
ICJ declared it illegal. Palestinians are native population, some still even have the deeds, war annexations are illegal too. We're no longer in the medieval world. :|Victorious_FizeWhen did war annexations become illegal?
That's weird, I come from a large Palestinian family and none of the women are looked down on, abused, or thought to be second. They're all Christian and religious and not some hateful people who kill children and cause genocide (the Jews). The women are allowed to wear jeans or whatever else they like, and they originally came from Palestine. How would you like if you grew up in a country, and then the military came in and kicked everyone out? Because that's what happened to my family in the 50's because the Jews came in and wanted the land. You don't know anything about Palestinians.[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
The way I see the whole Israel and Palestine conflict is this.
The Good guys: Jews that support Israel and Non Jews that support Israel
The Bad guys: Self hating Jews agaisnt Israel and Anti Semites against Isarel
I don't support everything Israel does mind you, I don't think they should block Aid ships and I think that the Jews should stop trying to settle on outside Israel territory as that is against Isarel's rules. But the Isralis and Zionists brought freedom and democracy to the region, if it was still under Palestine control women would be second class citizens there and be abused and there wouldbe no freedom of religon (or lack thereof, many Jews in Israel are Secular and not religious) no democracy or any thing like that. Israel is better with the Jews there now, if Palestinians get there way they will kill all the Jews and drive them into the sea. The IDF (Israel Defense Force) is simply defending it'self from the bullys who are trying to kill them, it's just self defense.
ShadowMoses900
Anti Semitic Lies, the palestinans didn't have freedom of religion or womens rights until the Israelis brought freedom. Women are safer and happier with the Jews running Palestine now, if the Palestinians still ran the region they would still be chpping off women's heads because they didn't cover thier face fully or drove a car.
And when did the Arabs EVER experince a genocide? That's right NEVER! Unless you mean Arab women, which in that case yeah it happens all the time, but thankfully the Jews and Non Jews that support Israel (the Good Guys) put a stop to that. The Jews have suffered so many Genocides and opressions thoughout history that your statement is wrong.
Supporting Israel is supporting freedom and democracy. And the IDF is just practicing self defense, I know becauseI'm friends with them on Facebook.
I can't tell if you're trolling or being serious.That's weird, I come from a large Palestinian family and none of the women are looked down on, abused, or thought to be second. They're all Christian and religious and not some hateful people who kill children and cause genocide (the Jews). The women are allowed to wear jeans or whatever else they like, and they originally came from Palestine. How would you like if you grew up in a country, and then the military came in and kicked everyone out? Because that's what happened to my family in the 50's because the Jews came in and wanted the land. You don't know anything about Palestinians.[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
The way I see the whole Israel and Palestine conflict is this.
The Good guys: Jews that support Israel and Non Jews that support Israel
The Bad guys: Self hating Jews agaisnt Israel and Anti Semites against Isarel
I don't support everything Israel does mind you, I don't think they should block Aid ships and I think that the Jews should stop trying to settle on outside Israel territory as that is against Isarel's rules. But the Isralis and Zionists brought freedom and democracy to the region, if it was still under Palestine control women would be second class citizens there and be abused and there wouldbe no freedom of religon (or lack thereof, many Jews in Israel are Secular and not religious) no democracy or any thing like that. Israel is better with the Jews there now, if Palestinians get there way they will kill all the Jews and drive them into the sea. The IDF (Israel Defense Force) is simply defending it'self from the bullys who are trying to kill them, it's just self defense.
ShadowMoses900
Anti Semitic Lies, the palestinans didn't have freedom of religion or womens rights until the Israelis brought freedom. Women are safer and happier with the Jews running Palestine now, if the Palestinians still ran the region they would still be chpping off women's heads because they didn't cover thier face fully or drove a car.
And when did the Arabs EVER experince a genocide? That's right NEVER! Unless you mean Arab women, which in that case yeah it happens all the time, but thankfully the Jews and Non Jews that support Israel (the Good Guys) put a stop to that. The Jews have suffered so many Genocides and opressions thoughout history that your statement is wrong.
Supporting Israel is supporting freedom and democracy. And the IDF is just practicing self defense, I know becauseI'm friends with them on Facebook.
How is it lies when my grandmother and grandfather lived in Palestine, happy, and healthy before they were kicked out? My grandmother was Christian her whole life, never had to cover her face, or made any of her daughters cover theirs or were beaten and killed for being Christian. You just don't know what you're talking about and this is what I mean. Jews have no idea about the history because what they were told has and always will be, a big pile of lies that you eat up and believe. My family is from Palestine, they grew up and lived there and all Palestinian people are friendly you just think they're dogs. They lived there first, Jews kicked them out, Jews kill Palestinian babies and kick old women. The Jews have not brought any freedom of religion. You're just out of your mind with lies. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100921160122AAAKY45 and this, you have no further proof other than just saying it's "anti semitic lie". Believe your false truths, kid.[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Wow, just wow. I'm not even gonna bother. Lets just go to the "we want piece" thing. Did the Israel also want peace when they drove Palestinians out to establish 1100 homes in East Jerusalem? Or was it when they armed and trained illegal settlers? Don't bother, Jews have a very weird way of seeing things. It's totally fine for them to barge into someone else's land and take whatever they want. But when it happens to them, they cry about it for 70 years. It happened to them, too bad, doesn't mean that have to do it to other people either. What they did was wrong, it was never their land to begin with.Let's see here, if you want Israel to go away how would that happen? Oh that's right by killing and raping the Hebrew people and driving them out into the ocean and drowning them (Hamas said it himself). They arn't going to simply "leave" and go away, they would be killed and it would turn into another holocaust. Meanwhile the Jews just want to be left alone and live in peace but the Palestinans don't like us, Isreal isn't taking over any more territory and they brought democracy and freedom where as the palestinans want a brutal tyrant (Hamas) to rule them, and Hamas hates freedom and so do his supporters they kill women if they want to learn how to read.
Seems pretty accuarte to me...
MickeyTheNinja
It belongs to Jews just like how America belongs to Americans. Do you think that all the Americans should get up and leave the country because it's the Native American Indians land origionally? NO. And for the record it was the land of the Jews first, Hebrews are descended form Abraham (so are Arabs) but it was given to Issac's descendents(my ancestors)and not Ishmal's descendents(your ancestors).WeJewsand Arabs are cousins butIsrael is for the Jews. Italways has been and now it will be forever.
[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Wow, just wow. I'm not even gonna bother. Lets just go to the "we want piece" thing. Did the Israel also want peace when they drove Palestinians out to establish 1100 homes in East Jerusalem? Or was it when they armed and trained illegal settlers? The "settlers" aren't illegal. And you're aware that those palestinians most likely lived in houses owned by Jews! Jews that were kicked out in 48 so explain why over 500 villages were depopulated in 48? happened to my village. my cousins grand father were kicked out onto the streets too. everyone came to camps and sat there since 48. Well the camps aren't camps anymore more like small cities like Zarqa, wahdaat, and a few others in Jordan a couple in lebanon syria and Egypt. don't tell me you don't think that happend my family lived in poverty for years because of it.Let's see here, if you want Israel to go away how would that happen? Oh that's right by killing and raping the Hebrew people and driving them out into the ocean and drowning them (Hamas said it himself). They arn't going to simply "leave" and go away, they would be killed and it would turn into another holocaust. Meanwhile the Jews just want to be left alone and live in peace but the Palestinans don't like us, Isreal isn't taking over any more territory and they brought democracy and freedom where as the palestinans want a brutal tyrant (Hamas) to rule them, and Hamas hates freedom and so do his supporters they kill women if they want to learn how to read.
Seems pretty accuarte to me...
SquirrelTamer
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Here is a picture of Israel "valuing human life" (aka dropping white phosphorus on residential areas.)
yomanjdf
Some human lives are more valuable than others. Jews are more valuable than Arab yokels.
lies. we only kill terrorists
why do jews and arabs dislike each other[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"] That's weird, I come from a large Palestinian family and none of the women are looked down on, abused, or thought to be second. They're all Christian and religious and not some hateful people who kill children and cause genocide (the Jews). The women are allowed to wear jeans or whatever else they like, and they originally came from Palestine. How would you like if you grew up in a country, and then the military came in and kicked everyone out? Because that's what happened to my family in the 50's because the Jews came in and wanted the land. You don't know anything about Palestinians. NoSpeakyEnglish
Anti Semitic Lies, the palestinans didn't have freedom of religion or womens rights until the Israelis brought freedom. Women are safer and happier with the Jews running Palestine now, if the Palestinians still ran the region they would still be chpping off women's heads because they didn't cover thier face fully or drove a car.
And when did the Arabs EVER experince a genocide? That's right NEVER! Unless you mean Arab women, which in that case yeah it happens all the time, but thankfully the Jews and Non Jews that support Israel (the Good Guys) put a stop to that. The Jews have suffered so many Genocides and opressions thoughout history that your statement is wrong.
Supporting Israel is supporting freedom and democracy. And the IDF is just practicing self defense, I know becauseI'm friends with them on Facebook.
I can't tell if you're trolling or being serious. I hope he's trolling, he doesn't know my family or know anything about the Palestinian people. I DO! My family is Christian and living in Jordan, they're from along line of Palestinians and the women don't have to wear things over their faces. He is thinking of Muslims, he doesn't know anything.[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
The way I see the whole Israel and Palestine conflict is this.
The Good guys: Jews that support Israel and Non Jews that support Israel
The Bad guys: Self hating Jews agaisnt Israel and Anti Semites against Isarel
I don't support everything Israel does mind you, I don't think they should block Aid ships and I think that the Jews should stop trying to settle on outside Israel territory as that is against Isarel's rules. But the Isralis and Zionists brought freedom and democracy to the region, if it was still under Palestine control women would be second class citizens there and be abused and there wouldbe no freedom of religon (or lack thereof, many Jews in Israel are Secular and not religious) no democracy or any thing like that. Israel is better with the Jews there now, if Palestinians get there way they will kill all the Jews and drive them into the sea. The IDF (Israel Defense Force) is simply defending it'self from the bullys who are trying to kill them, it's just self defense.
That's weird, I come from a large Palestinian family and none of the women are looked down on, abused, or thought to be second. They're all Christian and religious and not some hateful people who kill children and cause genocide (the Jews). The women are allowed to wear jeans or whatever else they like, and they originally came from Palestine. How would you like if you grew up in a country, and then the military came in and kicked everyone out? Because that's what happened to my family in the 50's because the Jews came in and wanted the land. You don't know anything about Palestinians.Anti Semitic Lies, the palestinans didn't have freedom of religion or womens rights until the Israelis brought freedom. Women are safer and happier with the Jews running Palestine now, if the Palestinians still ran the region they would still be chpping off women's heads because they didn't cover thier face fully or drove a car.
And when did the Arabs EVER experince a genocide? That's right NEVER! Unless you mean Arab women, which in that case yeah it happens all the time, but thankfully the Jews and Non Jews that support Israel (the Good Guys) put a stop to that. The Jews have suffered so many Genocides and opressions thoughout history that your statement is wrong.
Supporting Israel is supporting freedom and democracy. And the IDF is just practicing self defense, I know becauseI'm friends with them on Facebook.
you're easily the most ignorant person on this subject I've ever seen. Palestine =/= Saudia.[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"] That's weird, I come from a large Palestinian family and none of the women are looked down on, abused, or thought to be second. They're all Christian and religious and not some hateful people who kill children and cause genocide (the Jews). The women are allowed to wear jeans or whatever else they like, and they originally came from Palestine. How would you like if you grew up in a country, and then the military came in and kicked everyone out? Because that's what happened to my family in the 50's because the Jews came in and wanted the land. You don't know anything about Palestinians. NoSpeakyEnglish
Anti Semitic Lies, the palestinans didn't have freedom of religion or womens rights until the Israelis brought freedom. Women are safer and happier with the Jews running Palestine now, if the Palestinians still ran the region they would still be chpping off women's heads because they didn't cover thier face fully or drove a car.
And when did the Arabs EVER experince a genocide? That's right NEVER! Unless you mean Arab women, which in that case yeah it happens all the time, but thankfully the Jews and Non Jews that support Israel (the Good Guys) put a stop to that. The Jews have suffered so many Genocides and opressions thoughout history that your statement is wrong.
Supporting Israel is supporting freedom and democracy. And the IDF is just practicing self defense, I know becauseI'm friends with them on Facebook.
I can't tell if you're trolling or being serious.I'm being serious, just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean their trolling. Try to argue with facts, but if you can't you just say thier "trolling" LMAO. I am friends with the IDF on Facebook and they always send updates and stuff and I NEVER get any updates about IDF abusing women or killingcivilains oranything like that. Unlike Hamas...
Don't bother, Jews have a very weird way of seeing things. It's totally fine for them to barge into someone else's land and take whatever they want. But when it happens to them, they cry about it for 70 years. It happened to them, too bad, doesn't mean that have to do it to other people either. What they did was wrong, it was never their land to begin with.[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] Wow, just wow. I'm not even gonna bother. Lets just go to the "we want piece" thing. Did the Israel also want peace when they drove Palestinians out to establish 1100 homes in East Jerusalem? Or was it when they armed and trained illegal settlers?ShadowMoses900
It belongs to Jews just like how America belongs to Americans. Do you think that all the Americans should get up and leave the country because it's the Native American Indians land origionally? NO. And for the record it was the land of the Jews first, Hebrews are descended form Abraham (so are Arabs) but it was given to Issac's descendents(my ancestors)and not Ishmal's descendents(your ancestors).WeJewsand Arabs are cousins butIsrael is for the Jews. Italways has been and now it will be forever.
You just contradicted yourself there buddy. If the land was originally the Jews and the Palestinians settled there, they shouldn't have to move just because it was previously owned by the Jews.[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"] Don't bother, Jews have a very weird way of seeing things. It's totally fine for them to barge into someone else's land and take whatever they want. But when it happens to them, they cry about it for 70 years. It happened to them, too bad, doesn't mean that have to do it to other people either. What they did was wrong, it was never their land to begin with. NoSpeakyEnglish
It belongs to Jews just like how America belongs to Americans. Do you think that all the Americans should get up and leave the country because it's the Native American Indians land origionally? NO. And for the record it was the land of the Jews first, Hebrews are descended form Abraham (so are Arabs) but it was given to Issac's descendents(my ancestors)and not Ishmal's descendents(your ancestors).WeJewsand Arabs are cousins butIsrael is for the Jews. Italways has been and now it will be forever.
You just contradicted yourself there buddy. If the land was originally the Jews and the Palestinians settled there, they shouldn't have to move just because it was previously owned by the Jews. Isn't it time to stop arguing over the past and move on with the present?Please Log In to post.
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