Israel's Border's

Why is the president of our great nation trying to force

Israel to give up land to nations that hate Israel?

These nations have called for the demise of Israel, because they are "inferior"

since time began.

Personally I think the president is being very illogical, and has to understand Israel's

current situation.

Let me know what you think about this.

Why is the president of our great nation trying to force

Israel to give up land to nations that hate Israel?

These nations have called for the demise of Israel, because they are "inferior"

since time began.

Personally I think the president is being very illogical, and has to understand Israel's

current situation.

Let me know what you think about this.

All-Madden09

The United States can do whatever they want. It wasn't long ago that Iraq and Iran were allies of The US

The Palestinians had to give up their land for Israel thanks to the US & Great Britain in 1948, and their territory continues to get smaller.

Where is your outcry for the Palestinians?

Not much sympathy for the Pakistan, considering they had Bin Laden hiding in plain sight for years.

Pakistan is also one of the country's that dislikes Israel. To respond to an earlier post, the land they took was from a war that was

declared on them, and they responded and won. They should be able to keep their land.

The Palestinians had to give up their land for Israel thanks to the US & Great Britain in 1948, and their territory continues to get smaller.

Where is your outcry for the Palestinians?

_R34LiTY_

The United States can do whatever they want. It wasn't long ago that Iraq and Iran were allies of The US

weezyfb

Well sure, but not without consequences. Yes they used to be our allies, until 9/11. Wouldn't you be a little cautious after

over 3,000 of your people were killed by terrorists from those nations?

Not much sympathy for the Pakistan, considering they had Bin Laden hiding in plain sight for years.

All-Madden09

who said anything about pakistan?

Not much sympathy for the Pakistan, considering they had Bin Laden hiding in plain sight for years.

Pakistan is also one of the country's that dislikes Israel. To respond to an earlier post, the land they took was from a war that was

declared on them, and they responded and won. They should be able to keep their land.

All-Madden09

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

The Palestinians had to give up their land for Israel thanks to the US & Great Britain in 1948, and their territory continues to get smaller.

Where is your outcry for the Palestinians?

madmidnight

I completely agree. Yes they would prefer to live in peace with each other, but some extremists can't stand the idea of being at

peace with Israel, considering those people they believe that Jews are "Infedels."

Not much sympathy for the Pakistan, considering they had Bin Laden hiding in plain sight for years.

Pakistan is also one of the country's that dislikes Israel. To respond to an earlier post, the land they took was from a war that was

declared on them, and they responded and won. They should be able to keep their land.

All-Madden09

[QUOTE="All-Madden09"]

Not much sympathy for the Pakistan, considering they had Bin Laden hiding in plain sight for years.

Pakistan is also one of the country's that dislikes Israel. To respond to an earlier post, the land they took was from a war that was

declared on them, and they responded and won. They should be able to keep their land.

m25105

Pakinstan is part of the area that surrounds Israel, Palistine.

You are correct about internation law, but would you want people that want to kill you, that much closer to your cities if you give back the land?

For years Israel has been willing to exchange land for durable peace, but the radicals will have none of that idea.

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]

The United States can do whatever they want. It wasn't long ago that Iraq and Iran were allies of The US

All-Madden09

Well sure, but not without consequences. Yes they used to be our allies, until 9/11. Wouldn't you be a little cautious after

over 3,000 of your people were killed by terrorists from those nations?

[QUOTE="All-Madden09"]

Not much sympathy for the Pakistan, considering they had Bin Laden hiding in plain sight for years.

Pakistan is also one of the country's that dislikes Israel. To respond to an earlier post, the land they took was from a war that was

declared on them, and they responded and won. They should be able to keep their land.

Wolls

I wouldn't belive so. Most of the occupiers are probably not radicals. Israel is afraid to give back this land, considering the nations they would give the land back to, are filled with terrorists.

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="All-Madden09"]

Not much sympathy for the Pakistan, considering they had Bin Laden hiding in plain sight for years.

Pakistan is also one of the country's that dislikes Israel. To respond to an earlier post, the land they took was from a war that was

declared on them, and they responded and won. They should be able to keep their land.

All-Madden09

Pakinstan is part of the area that surrounds Israel, Palistine.

You are correct about internation law, but would you want people that want to kill you, that much closer to your cities if you give back the land?

For years Israel has been willing to exchange land for durable peace, but the radicals will have none of that idea.

There has been many peace talks and Hamas have tried to push for peace. There is another thread that I posted, that pratically deconstructs your argument in words far better than I can put it. I'll give you a link to the thread and you can watch the video for yourself.

Here.

[QUOTE="All-Madden09"]

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]

The United States can do whatever they want. It wasn't long ago that Iraq and Iran were allies of The US

m25105

Well sure, but not without consequences. Yes they used to be our allies, until 9/11. Wouldn't you be a little cautious after

over 3,000 of your people were killed by terrorists from those nations?

You are correct, my mistake. Remember we only invaded Kuwait after Saddam Husein invaded Kuwait. So we had to stop being their allies to liberate Kuwait.

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

The Palestinians had to give up their land for Israel thanks to the US & Great Britain in 1948, and their territory continues to get smaller.

Where is your outcry for the Palestinians?

madmidnight

Ya...TC, judgingby your comments, you obviously dont know anything about the issue and its origins. If you dont know anything about it, dont comment on the subject/matter

[QUOTE="Wolls"][QUOTE="All-Madden09"]

Not much sympathy for the Pakistan, considering they had Bin Laden hiding in plain sight for years.

Pakistan is also one of the country's that dislikes Israel. To respond to an earlier post, the land they took was from a war that was

declared on them, and they responded and won. They should be able to keep their land.

All-Madden09

I wouldn't belive so. Most of the occupiers are probably not radicals. Israel is afraid to give back this land, considering the nations they would give the land back to, are filled with terrorists.

Ya...TC, judgingby your comments, you obviously dont know anything about the issue and its origins. If you dont know anything about it, dont comment on the subject/matter

Nayef_shroof

Why do people have a problem with Israel taking over land? Plenty of other countries have done it.. With little to no outcry from the public.. I guess the popular thing is to hate Jews :|00-Riddick-00

This has nothing to with hating Jews.

Under internation law, the territories that Israel refuses to give back and continues to build settlements on, is illegal.

The "fence" is also recognised as illegal by international court of justice. For a country that promotes itself as a democracy they sure do not seem to mind breaking laws.

Why do people have a problem with Israel taking over land? Plenty of other countries have done it.. With little to no outcry from the public.. I guess the popular thing is to hate Jews :|00-Riddick-00

Some people see Israel as a country that cries a lot with it's "woe is me!!/what about us!?" attitude(so to speak) while being the big bad wolf itself, especially towards Palestine.

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]Why do people have a problem with Israel taking over land? Plenty of other countries have done it.. With little to no outcry from the public.. I guess the popular thing is to hate Jews :|m25105

Borders aren't the problem. Palestine needs to get rid of Hamas....and then maybe there can be real peace talks. But they aren't going to happen with the status quo.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]Why do people have a problem with Israel taking over land? Plenty of other countries have done it.. With little to no outcry from the public.. I guess the popular thing is to hate Jews :|_R34LiTY_

Some people see Israel as a country that cries a lot with it's "woe is me!!/what about us!?" attitude(so to speak) while being the big bad wolf itself, especially towards Palestine.

I can see where your coming from, but would you want the U.S. surrounded by people who want to kill ALL of us?

Israel's situation really does kind of suck.

Give back land and follow the law, might result in another war.

Not giving it back, might result in isolation from their allies.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Borders aren't the problem. Palestine needs to get rid of Hamas....and then maybe there can be real peace talks. But they aren't going to happen with the status quo.m25105

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

The Palestinians had to give up their land for Israel thanks to the US & Great Britain in 1948, and their territory continues to get smaller.

Where is your outcry for the Palestinians?

madmidnight

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]Why do people have a problem with Israel taking over land? Plenty of other countries have done it.. With little to no outcry from the public.. I guess the popular thing is to hate Jews :|Darkman2007

So is Norman Finkelstein anti Jewish? or Noam Chomsky? Or the orthodox Jews who are against Israel?

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Borders aren't the problem. Palestine needs to get rid of Hamas....and then maybe there can be real peace talks. But they aren't going to happen with the status quo.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] There was a peace talk and Hamas tried to maintain the peace even acting against the small organisation convincing them not to throw rockets at Israel. I love this video because it again and again deconstructs the accusation and arguments.

m25105

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Borders aren't the problem. Palestine needs to get rid of Hamas....and then maybe there can be real peace talks. But they aren't going to happen with the status quo.m25105

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="m25105"] This has nothing to with hating jews. Under internation law, the territories that Israel refuses to give back and continues to build settlements on, is illegal. The "fence" is also recognised as illegal by internation court of justice. For a country that promotes itself as a democracy they sure do not seem to mind breaking laws.m25105

So is Norman Finkelstein anti Jewish? or Noam Chomsky? Or the orthodox Jews who are against Israel?

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Didn't bother to watch the link. I would never base what's been happening over there on one video. As long as Hamas is in Palestine...expect problems. Hamas is a terrorist organization. Remove Hamas and then the Israeli government should negotiate.

LJS9502_basic

Hamas arrests militants firing rockets.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Borders aren't the problem. Palestine needs to get rid of Hamas....and then maybe there can be real peace talks. But they aren't going to happen with the status quo.Darkman2007

Hamas actually recognise Israel as a state within the 1967 borders. And yes Hamas have tried to push and maintain peace.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="m25105"] That link that you didn't bother to click, is a video of Dr. Norman Finkelstein adressing how Israel killed the Palestinians offensive for peace. And how Hamas acted responsibly for peace.

m25105

Hamas arrests militants firing rockets.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="m25105"] That link that you didn't bother to click, is a video of Dr. Norman Finkelstein adressing how Israel killed the Palestinians offensive for peace. And how Hamas acted responsibly for peace.

m25105

Hamas arrests militants firing rockets.

/quote

So I don't want to hear Hamas isn't terrorist.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] wheter anybody likes it or not , the Middle East is not Europe, international law is never followed to the letter by anybody. thats the reality of things, everybody breaks international law and uses what you could term dirty politics using force. the fence will stay there until there will be peace, nobody likes it , but it does serve a security and political tool in a time of conflict. and don't tell me nobody on the anti Israel camp is anti Jewish , that attitude is there and is expressed quite alot, its just that its not the majority view. and I don't see any issue here, a return to the 67 borders with minor adjustments and land swaps is bound to happen at some point, most people in Israel would agree with that.Darkman2007

So is Norman Finkelstein anti Jewish? or Noam Chomsky? Or the orthodox Jews who are against Israel?

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="m25105"] There was a peace talk and Hamas tried to maintain the peace even acting against the small organisation convincing them not to throw rockets at Israel. I love this video because it again and again deconstructs the accusation and arguments.

m25105

Hamas actually recognise Israel as a state within the 1967 borders. And yes Hamas have tried to push and maintain peace.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Never heard of the dude....but Hamas actions are not peaceful so if he didn't allow for that then I don't give him any credibility.LJS9502_basic

Hamas arrests militants firing rockets.

/quote

So I don't want to hear Hamas isn't terrorist.

The United Nations do not recognise them as terrorists.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]

Hamas arrests militants firing rockets.

m25105

/quote

So I don't want to hear Hamas isn't terrorist.

The United Nations do not recognise them as terrorists.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="m25105"]

So is Norman Finkelstein anti Jewish? or Noam Chomsky? Or the orthodox Jews who are against Israel?

m25105

not really, they were sending some pretty mixed signals themselves, while at the same time meeting Ahmadinajad and using the Holocaust to bash Israel .

besides , if they really were standing up for the Holocaust, they wouldnt have gone in the first place to that ludicrous confrence.

these are known as opportunists, and they indeed exist.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] Hamas are sending more mixed signals then anybody. they don't recognise Israel , but they are willing to ignore any negotiations Abu Mazen tries to have. they are disunited themselves, much less with Fatah. if anybody describes them as peace loving he needs to read their manifesto , which has some things in it that Hitler would be proud of.. and Finkelstien is basically repeating the "go back to the 67 border and everything will be fine and dandy" line, which won't work. he also calls Israel a lunatic state (and says the people are essentially lunatics too) , and says Israel needs to suffer a defeat similar to Germany in 1945. he has the right to speak his mind, just like I have the right to call his views sillyDarkman2007

Hamas actually recognise Israel as a state within the 1967 borders. And yes Hamas have tried to push and maintain peace.

I will concede that that is true, Hamas will accept the 1967 borders, but Israel itself as a nation. I was wrong on that account.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The European Union, the United States, Canada, Israel and Japan cIassify Hamas as a terrorist organization,

/quote

So I don't want to hear Hamas isn't terrorist.

LJS9502_basic

The United Nations do not recognise them as terrorists.