Italy: Veilless girl runs into father at mall, gets beaten and her nose broken

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="MrPraline"]That's cute, but using Arabs is wrong; it's the North Africans that are the problem here.MrPraline

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/27986-honor-killing-worldwide-rate-5000-year.html

You can infer, then, that honor killings are rooted in culture, since Islam's advent had EXPLICITLY forbidden honor killings.

Also, muslims only account for approximately 1 percent of European terrorists, as according to the EU Terrorism Situation and Trend Report (TE-SAT) https://www.europol.europa.eu/latest_publications/2

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Honestly I'm apathetic on the matter, the woman obviously knew she was going against her father, and the religious norm.MrPraline

That reminds me of a quote by Marcello Pera (Former President of the Italian Senate):

"the signs of this pathology are everywhere, especially in my view, in the prison house of insincerity and hypocrisy known as political correctness. Europe has locked itself in this cage for fear of saying things that are not at all incorrect but rather ordinary truths, and to avoid facing its own responsibility and the consequences of what might be said. Political correctness does allow itself some liberties. For example if someone feels like it and truly believes it (perhaps out of poor taste), he is allowed to say that the tuxedo is better than the caftan. However, try saying that the nations of men who wear tuxedos after centuries of struggle and untold bloodshed have built better states and societies than the men in caftans. All metaphors aside, try saying that Western institutions are better than the institutions in Islamic countries. A warrant will be sworn out for your cultural arrest. You will be banished from literary societies, clubs and academies. You can forget about winning any book prizes or being invited to speak at a conference or symposium.

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The prohibition does not go both ways, however odd that may seem. There are hundreds of examples. If President George Bush says that there is an axis of evil, he is decried not for bad policies, but rather as a cowboy or an illiterate- an accusation one could, of course, never make of a European intellectual, ever wise, profound, and knowledgeable. Noam Chomsky can claim without qualms that the United States is a 'leading terrorist state'. Jose Saramago Prime Minister Sharon to Hitler the Israelis to Nazis...

... But could one likewise criticize another state or event the Palestinian Authority. Not on your life."

(Marcello Pera "Letter to Joseph Ratzinger". In Ratzinger, Joseph and Pera, Marcello, Without Roots: Europe, Relativism, Christianity, Islam. pp. 87-9.). This can be found on Google books here.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Proof that you're morally bankrupt.whipassmt

That reminds me of a quote by Marcello Pera (Former President of the Italian Senate):

"the signs of this pathology are everywhere, especially in my view, in the prison house of insincerity and hypocrisy known as political correctness. Europe has locked itself in this cage for fear of saying things that are not at all incorrect but rather ordinary truths, and to avoid facing its own responsibility and the consequences of what might be said. Political correctness does allow itself some liberties. For example if someone feels like it and truly believes it (perhaps out of poor taste), he is allowed to say that the tuxedo is better than the caftan. However, try saying that the nations of men who wear tuxedos after centuries of struggle and untold bloodshed have built better states and societies than the men in caftans. All metaphors aside, try saying that Western institutions are better than the institutions in Islamic countries. A warrant will be sworn out for your cultural arrest. You will be banished from literary societies, clubs and academies. You can forget about winning any book prizes or being invited to speak at a conference or symposium.

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The prohibition does not go both ways, however odd that may seem. There are hundreds of examples. If President George Bush says that there is an axis of evil, he is decried not for bad policies, but rather as a cowboy or an illiterate- an accusation one could, of course, never make of a European intellectual, ever wise, profound, and knowledgeable. Noam Chomsky can claim without qualms that the United States is a 'leading terrorist state'. Jose Saramago Prime Minister Sharon to Hitler the Israelis to Nazis...

... But could one likewise criticize another state or event the Palestinian Authority. Not on your life."

(Marcello Pera "Letter to Joseph Ratzinger". In Ratzinger, Joseph and Pera, Marcello, Without Roots: Europe, Relativism, Christianity, Islam. pp. 87-9.). This can be found on Google books here.

i checked the link, but before reading it i figured i knew what it was and i was right. the tweets he did are very tame, fvck compared to what is said about the Prophet from people on this very thread. but that is how hypersensitive the ulema and clerics are in Saudi and how they're able to rally their followers to wish death on someone for making such an innocuous self-introspective remark. but in Saudi it's still a very hot-topic but you can push women's rights (driving, education, access to employment are the big issues i keep hearing about), protections for foreign workers in the country, and stopping child marriages (i've physically written my signature on two petitions against it that were sent to the ministry of interior. so... they got my name). SaudiFury

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]by "poor Europe too. rip" are you saying you think most European countries will become predominately Islamic in a few decades?MrPraline

And presumably you're knowledgeable about Islam? :lol: Antagonistic Atheists are usually ignorant about theology, let alone "scholars" on the subject matter. Nayef_shroof

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]by "poor Europe too. rip" are you saying you think most European countries will become predominately Islamic in a few decades?whipassmt

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]And presumably you're knowledgeable about Islam? :lol: Antagonistic Atheists are usually ignorant about theology, let alone "scholars" on the subject matter. Zeviander

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]And presumably you're knowledgeable about Islam? :lol: Antagonistic Atheists are usually ignorant about theology, let alone "scholars" on the subject matter. Nayef_shroof

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] Big problem with 2012 "liberals" is that criticising is somehow a faux pas. Maybe if we can all be honest and agree that cultures, as opposed to people, are not equal, we wouldn't have to step on egg shells and could actually discuss tragedies like this. MrPraline

That reminds me of a quote by Marcello Pera (Former President of the Italian Senate):

"the signs of this pathology are everywhere, especially in my view, in the prison house of insincerity and hypocrisy known as political correctness. Europe has locked itself in this cage for fear of saying things that are not at all incorrect but rather ordinary truths, and to avoid facing its own responsibility and the consequences of what might be said. Political correctness does allow itself some liberties. For example if someone feels like it and truly believes it (perhaps out of poor taste), he is allowed to say that the tuxedo is better than the caftan. However, try saying that the nations of men who wear tuxedos after centuries of struggle and untold bloodshed have built better states and societies than the men in caftans. All metaphors aside, try saying that Western institutions are better than the institutions in Islamic countries. A warrant will be sworn out for your cultural arrest. You will be banished from literary societies, clubs and academies. You can forget about winning any book prizes or being invited to speak at a conference or symposium.

....

The prohibition does not go both ways, however odd that may seem. There are hundreds of examples. If President George Bush says that there is an axis of evil, he is decried not for bad policies, but rather as a cowboy or an illiterate- an accusation one could, of course, never make of a European intellectual, ever wise, profound, and knowledgeable. Noam Chomsky can claim without qualms that the United States is a 'leading terrorist state'. Jose Saramago Prime Minister Sharon to Hitler the Israelis to Nazis...

... But could one likewise criticize another state or event the Palestinian Authority. Not on your life."

(Marcello Pera "Letter to Joseph Ratzinger". In Ratzinger, Joseph and Pera, Marcello, Without Roots: Europe, Relativism, Christianity, Islam. pp. 87-9.). This can be found on Google books here.

Religion of peace

TheFallenDemon

Bu... Bu... Christians do it too! :cry:

She's quite attractive btw.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] I left Islam because I don't like its teachings, not because I'm ignorant of them.

MrPraline

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] By reading the assertions you make against Islam on this site, I'd say that isn't the case. You are obviously ignorant about the teachings of Islam in a multitude of subjects, especially concerning the rights of women...whipassmt

[QUOTE="TheFallenDemon"]

Religion of peace

leviathan91

Bu... Bu... Christians do it too! :cry:

She's quite attractive btw.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="Zeviander"] Those blinders are on so tight they are cutting off the circulation to your brain.MrPraline

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] well if he's mentioning women's rights in the same breath as Islam he sounds a bit ignorant, yeah obviously that's a contradictio in terminisMrPraline

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] O rly?Nayef_shroof

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

[QUOTE="TheFallenDemon"]

Religion of peace

whipassmt

Bu... Bu... Christians do it too! :cry:

She's quite attractive btw.

I wasn't being serious. It's just a response to when someone says something negative about the cultural aspect of Islam and then someone else replies that Christianity is just as bad.

I'm a bit surprised it escalated that fast and nobody intervened at first. Usually altercations in public people always jump in, especially if it's man hitting a woman.

chilly-chill

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] well if he's mentioning women's rights in the same breath as Islam he sounds a bit ignorant, yeah obviously that's a contradictio in terminisMrPraline

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] to be fair, Islam did ban the pre-Islamic Arabian practice (I believe it's called "wabat") of burying unwanted baby girls alive in the sand, much like Christianity cracked down on the Greco-Roman practices of abortion and exposure (leaving an unwanted infant out to die).Nayef_shroof

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

IF ghokle and all the other apostate scum have been wrong about the tenets of Islam, allow me to reconsider.

In Islam, can I drink beer and whisky? I would be willing to forfeit rum, vodka, tequila, and possibly wine for 72 virgins. I'd be willing to drop pork, too. I draw the line at beer/whisky and bacon. Also, I am willing to beat my wife if she misbehaves but NOT willing to cover her head-to-toe. What kind of room do I have for negotiation in the terms for eternal salvation?

Nayef_shroof

No deal, brohammed. I keep my intoxicating substances.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

IF ghokle and all the other apostate scum have been wrong about the tenets of Islam, allow me to reconsider.

In Islam, can I drink beer and whisky? I would be willing to forfeit rum, vodka, tequila, and possibly wine for 72 virgins. I'd be willing to drop pork, too. I draw the line at beer/whisky and bacon. Also, I am willing to beat my wife if she misbehaves but NOT willing to cover her head-to-toe. What kind of room do I have for negotiation in the terms for eternal salvation?

coolbeans90

No deal, brohammed. I keep my intoxicating substances.

Christianity can never be compared to Islam. The bible is full of stories and parables; Islam is the direct word and command of God. And Christianity is a religion as opposed to a totalitarian ideology.MrPraline

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Christianity can never be compared to Islam. The bible is full of stories and parables; Islam is the direct word and command of God. And Christianity is a religion as opposed to a totalitarian ideology.whipassmt

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Bu... Bu... Christians do it too! :cry:

She's quite attractive btw.

leviathan91

I wasn't being serious. It's just a response to when someone says something negative about the cultural aspect of Islam and then someone else replies that Christianity is just as bad.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="MrPraline"]That's good, definitely. Still not much rights for women to be found there, though.MrPraline

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Islam: - Halted the practice of female infanticide - Allowed women to own property - Allowed women to obtain an education - Emancipated women from arranged marriages (Allowed to choose who they would marry) etc. Compare that with the plight of European women during the Medieval era, and it's quite apparent that Islam, at the time, liberated women from the prevalent misogynist culture of antiquity.whipassmt

She shouldn't have taken her veil off to be fair.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

IF ghokle and all the other apostate scum have been wrong about the tenets of Islam, allow me to reconsider.

In Islam, can I drink beer and whisky? I would be willing to forfeit rum, vodka, tequila, and possibly wine for 72 virgins. I'd be willing to drop pork, too. I draw the line at beer/whisky and bacon. Also, I am willing to beat my wife if she misbehaves but NOT willing to cover her head-to-toe. What kind of room do I have for negotiation in the terms for eternal salvation?

Nayef_shroof

oh my another thread! did not see this one lOL

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Islam: - Halted the practice of female infanticide - Allowed women to own property - Allowed women to obtain an education - Emancipated women from arranged marriages (Allowed to choose who they would marry) etc. Compare that with the plight of European women during the Medieval era, and it's quite apparent that Islam, at the time, liberated women from the prevalent misogynist culture of antiquity.Zeviander

One step over the bottom? So what was the top back then? China? Africa? India?

they should go back to there country if they dont accept being westernised.

Honestly I'm apathetic on the matter, the woman obviously knew she was going against her father, and the religious norm.Fightingfan

[QUOTE="omho88"]

A quote from ur TC's post "marriage (sexual slavery)"

Are you an idiot ?!

Of course forcing someone to marry someone else is another matter.

Phaze-Two

what was the word that came right before "marriage"?

oppsss. I dun know how I missed that .... sorry TC .... my apologies for this mistake.

She shouldn't have taken her veil off to be fair.

Ilovegames1992

1. Religion forces women to cover face with a veil when in public.

2. Woman refuses to wear veil <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< the part that Ilovegames1992 has a problem with

3. Father beats woman visciously when he spots daughter without veil.

whats wrong with this picture?