Jackie Chan a Communist?

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#51 GazaAli
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@Storm_Marine said:

@GazaAli said:

@Storm_Marine said:

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@Storm_Marine: Short version is, where there isn't enough wealth, income inequality can only proliferate so much before it trips over minimum subsistence level of the people and basic requirements of the state's budget to keep the country running.

If you lined up the wealthier, developed countries up by income inequality it still wouldn't make sense as a scale of individual freedom, not to mention HDI.

Elaborate please.

Argh forget about that then. Look at it this way, imagine if Qatar decided to take all it's oil money and paid each citizen a equal portion every month. Then they banned capital gains and made a few other adjustments to the economy. Everyone would have a lot of money to live on, and everyone would be pretty much equal. Would Qatar then be the freest country in the world? :/

That's kind of a paradox. Today's Qatar and the reality of its freedom which you imply to be inferior, wouldn't do such a thing to begin with. I can't decide whether countries with the highest degree of freedom would have an equal distribution of wealth or if an equal distribution of wealth would bring about superior freedom. I'm not sure, within the context of my initial claim, which of the two is the cause and which is the effect.

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#52 Riverwolf007
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wow, what a vast ideological divide we all have to struggle within to find our place.

under capitalism all the wealth is held by 4% of the population while under communism all the wealth is held by 5% of the population.

golly! i'm so torn about which system i want to be mercilessly fucked over by.

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#53 GazaAli
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@RushKing said:

@Storm_Marine said:

@GazaAli said:

@Storm_Marine said:

If you lined up the wealthier, developed countries up by income inequality it still wouldn't make sense as a scale of individual freedom, not to mention HDI.

Elaborate please.

Argh forget about that then. Look at it this way, imagine if Qatar decided to take all it's oil money and paid each citizen a equal portion every month. Then they banned capital gains and made a few other adjustments to the economy. Everyone would have a lot of money to live on, and everyone would be pretty much equal. Would Qatar then be the freest country in the world? :/

People would be much more free if we eliminated the root of income inequality. The majority of workplaces are despotic due to private ownership of capital, and as a result the majority of people feel alienated from the labour, because they can't work creatively under their own terms and were pushed there by market forces. A capitalist economy is a capitalist economy at the end of the day, no matter how much wealth redistribution the state does. That's not to say I don't believe social democratic capitalism is more desirable than laissez-faire. One can not conceptualize freedom alone on an island, an understanding of freedom comes from how one relates to others. Equality, only under law does not entail liberty.

Excellent post comrade :3

In reality, there's only so much you can achieve in regard to equality by relying on redistributive measures.

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#54  Edited By Master_Live
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@GazaAli said:

A fair and just distribution of wealth

Which is?

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#55  Edited By deactivated-598fc45371265
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@GazaAli said:

@Storm_Marine said:

@GazaAli said:

@Storm_Marine said:

@GazaAli said:

@Storm_Marine: Short version is, where there isn't enough wealth, income inequality can only proliferate so much before it trips over minimum subsistence level of the people and basic requirements of the state's budget to keep the country running.

If you lined up the wealthier, developed countries up by income inequality it still wouldn't make sense as a scale of individual freedom, not to mention HDI.

Elaborate please.

Argh forget about that then. Look at it this way, imagine if Qatar decided to take all it's oil money and paid each citizen a equal portion every month. Then they banned capital gains and made a few other adjustments to the economy. Everyone would have a lot of money to live on, and everyone would be pretty much equal. Would Qatar then be the freest country in the world? :/

That's kind of a paradox. Today's Qatar and the reality of its freedom which you imply to be inferior, wouldn't do such a thing to begin with. I can't decide whether countries with the highest degree of freedom would have an equal distribution of wealth or if an equal distribution of wealth would bring about superior freedom. I'm not sure, within the context of my initial claim, which of the two is the cause and which is the effect.

Where are you getting this "freedom=low Gini" concept from in the first place? If a bunch of mega rich Swiss and Singaporeans moved to New Zealand drastically altering the Gini co-efficient there, would that make New Zealand less free? :/

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#56 GazaAli
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@Master_Live said:

@GazaAli said:

A fair and just distribution of wealth

Which is?

Its 2AM in the morning and I'm expending a great deal of will power to stop myself from lighting a cigarette so not gonna happen.

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#57 GazaAli
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@Riverwolf007 said:

wow, what a vast ideological divide we all have to struggle within to find our place.

under capitalism all the wealth is held by 4% of the population while under communism all the wealth is held by 5% of the population.

golly! i'm so torn about which system i want to be mercilessly fucked over by.

I burst into laughter reading this :D

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#58 themajormayor
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@GazaAli said:

@Master_Live said:

@GazaAli said:

A fair and just distribution of wealth

Which is?

Its 2AM in the morning and I'm expending a great deal of will power to stop myself from lighting a cigarette so not gonna happen.

Bro let's take a cig together

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#59  Edited By branketra
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"He said say one thing that was true tho, and its that ''America is the most corrupt place I have ever been'' as he said and yes it is corrupt but so is China, when you talk about a place that has been dominated for hundreds if not thousands of years by communist rule mainly because of General Mao, you can't deny it."

Communism has not existed for hundreds of years. However, America does have faults.

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#60 GazaAli
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@themajormayor said:

@GazaAli said:

@Master_Live said:

@GazaAli said:

A fair and just distribution of wealth

Which is?

Its 2AM in the morning and I'm expending a great deal of will power to stop myself from lighting a cigarette so not gonna happen.

Bro let's take a cig together

I did and it was spectacular. I like to smoke on the roof of my house, specially at night. Usually I experience power outage at night and my house stands on high grounds so I can see much of the city drowning in darkness while observing in the horizon the lights of Israel. Its a very strange scene.

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#61  Edited By megagene
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So what? Jackie Chan is awesome.

TC, I will not sit idly by while you slander the good name of Jackie Chan.

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#62 theone86
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Whooo, commie solidarity! With the best martial arts fighter leading our global revolution, who will be able to stop the glorious global people's army?

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#63 deactivated-598fc45371265
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@megagene said:

So what? Jackie Chan was awesome.

Fixed. :(

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#64  Edited By Dogswithguns
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Okay.. It's a freedom world, let the man be free to choose... now that's a freedom.

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#65 theone86
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@Dogswithguns said:

Okay.. It's a freedom world, let the man be free to choose... now that's a freedom.

What if he chooses the inability to choose?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjkiS5Us68I

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#66 LordQuorthon
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Such a tragedy!

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#67 LionWarrior28
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@GazaAli: Why? lol Communism isn't a good thing...its like saying Nazism is good and Hitler was a saint I mean seriously did you even read the article that was posted in here that I gave? Not talking about the video I made either.

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#68 LionWarrior28
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@BranKetra:

"He said say one thing that was true tho, and its that ''America is the most corrupt place I have ever been'' as he said and yes it is corrupt but so is China, when you talk about a place that has been dominated for hundreds if not thousands of years by communist rule mainly because of General Mao, you can't deny it."

Communism has not existed for hundreds of years. However, America does have faults.

Not true...China is not free, never really has been....and I'm not praising america cus frankly I hate being american sometimes BUT come on seriously....there is no excuse for communism.

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#69 DarkGamer007
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ITT: People who don't understand what Communism is. Most Government's that claim to be "Communist" are usually Totalitarian.

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#70 Master_Live
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@DarkGamer007 said:

ITT: People who don't understand what Communism is. Most Government's that claim to be "Communist" are usually Totalitarian.

Which government right know is actually a communist government?

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#71 Master_Live
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@GazaAli said:

@Master_Live said:

@GazaAli said:

A fair and just distribution of wealth

Which is?

Its 2AM in the morning and I'm expending a great deal of will power to stop myself from lighting a cigarette so not gonna happen.

So you have no answer, good to know.

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#72  Edited By thebest31406
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@GazaAli said:

Could you tell me why it is so bad to be a communist?

Cuz Rocky IV said so.

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#73 GazaAli
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@Master_Live said:

@GazaAli said:

@Master_Live said:

@GazaAli said:

A fair and just distribution of wealth

Which is?

Its 2AM in the morning and I'm expending a great deal of will power to stop myself from lighting a cigarette so not gonna happen.

So you have no answer, good to know.

I was just beginning to think maybe you're not so bad after all. I was wrong though, good to know.

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#74  Edited By Master_Live
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@thebest31406 said:

@GazaAli said:

Could you tell me why it is so bad to be a communist?

Cuz Rocky IV said so.

That wasn't the message.

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#75 k--m--k
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Ha...Americans.