Japanese Animation vs Western Animation

dont like animay but i go for western anima.

As an art form? Japanese.

As actual animation? Western. Japanese animation has little to no actual animation, but lots of stills. Also shows are at sub-par frames, making everything look horribly slow.

When it comes to plots they're both pretty bad (speaking mainstream stuff).

I like the look of Western animation better even if most are rather simplistic:

There are a few Japanese animations that I liked though:

I prefer anime. Western animation isnt so bad though

Overall I think Western animation looks better. I prefer the stories of Japanese anime, but sometime it can look awful. One Piece for example has the ugliest visuals I have ever seen in an anime. All the characters look weird. Heck a lot anime looks visually terrible. There isn't much detail, and the character's movements look really stiff with barely any muscle movements, or they look over exaggerated. Also the character's faces tend to look pretty damn similar. It doesn't have the fluidity, and smoothness of the older disney films. That being said though I love Hayao Miyazaki, and Satoshi Kon more than most Western animation so it's tough.

Here are some examples of great Western animation that visually I think anime doesn't match often. Sadly I think most animation in the West is for kids because a lot of adults consider it a kid's thing.

The worst thing about Western animation are the fans defending what is often tar in comparison to anime. People need to get over the fact that their precious animation isn't anywhere near the quality of anime. Not usually. I just, just finished watching Superman/Batman: Apocalypse and there were moments in the animation that anime clearly had a handle over. It's almost like listening to people talk about how black and white television trumps HD television. Wax in the ear that needs to go. The only real question here is what Western animation these days compete with standard anime animation. What this thread needs is two side-by-side comparisons between anime and western animation. I like comedy, after all. However, and an important note here, is that I am counting recent animation, rather than the good ole Lion King days where every.single.fiber.of.hair.moved at every given second. Of course, quality like that has since dropped, so this rant is for newer stuff.ProjectTrinity

And Anime fans need to stop treating Anime like the greatest thing in the world:P In the end it's all opinion. Some people prefer a different visual look. Nothing wrong with that. There is still some good recent Western animation. Look at the examples I posted above. Ignore the older ones I posted like Fantasia, and Fantastic Planet.

[QUOTE="ProjectTrinity"]The worst thing about Western animation are the fans defending what is often tar in comparison to anime. People need to get over the fact that their precious animation isn't anywhere near the quality of anime. Not usually. I just, just finished watching Superman/Batman: Apocalypse and there were moments in the animation that anime clearly had a handle over. It's almost like listening to people talk about how black and white television trumps HD television. Wax in the ear that needs to go. The only real question here is what Western animation these days compete with standard anime animation. What this thread needs is two side-by-side comparisons between anime and western animation. I like comedy, after all. However, and an important note here, is that I am counting recent animation, rather than the good ole Lion King days where every.single.fiber.of.hair.moved at every given second. Of course, quality like that has since dropped, so this rant is for newer stuff.Film-Guy

And Anime fans need to stop treating Anime like the greatest thing in the world:P In the end it's all opinion. Some people prefer a different visual look. Nothing wrong with that. There is still some good recent Western animation. Look at the examples I posted above. Ignore the older ones I posted like Fantasia, and Fantastic Planet.

Western animation :P But seriously, I prefer Japanese animation. However Western animation does have some diamonds in the rough.

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

[QUOTE="ProjectTrinity"]The worst thing about Western animation are the fans defending what is often tar in comparison to anime. People need to get over the fact that their precious animation isn't anywhere near the quality of anime. Not usually. I just, just finished watching Superman/Batman: Apocalypse and there were moments in the animation that anime clearly had a handle over. It's almost like listening to people talk about how black and white television trumps HD television. Wax in the ear that needs to go. The only real question here is what Western animation these days compete with standard anime animation. What this thread needs is two side-by-side comparisons between anime and western animation. I like comedy, after all. However, and an important note here, is that I am counting recent animation, rather than the good ole Lion King days where every.single.fiber.of.hair.moved at every given second. Of course, quality like that has since dropped, so this rant is for newer stuff.ProjectTrinity

And Anime fans need to stop treating Anime like the greatest thing in the world:P In the end it's all opinion. Some people prefer a different visual look. Nothing wrong with that. There is still some good recent Western animation. Look at the examples I posted above. Ignore the older ones I posted like Fantasia, and Fantastic Planet.

Sadly they are some of the few western films that do something interesting with animation. The first one is from a French film called Renaissance. Not a great film, heck it's actually pretty bland story wise. However it looks amazing. I don't know why, but so many people I talk to think animation is for kids. Well I know why, it's because most of it in the West is. South Park is an exception mainstream wise. I wish Western films did more with animation. I would love to see something with Pixar quality visuals and a mature storyline. Also is it just me, or is CGI animation very bland? It looks pretty, but it never has any sense of art, or styl e. Not as much as 2D anyway. I forgot to mention The Secret of Kells. That film is amazing to look at.

I just searched for this series on Bluray at Amazon and the first volume, which is only one hour long, costs $134.00. Damn. I wanted to add it to my queue on Netflix, but it's not available on Netflix. Double damn.

BluRayHiDef

Yeah they put alot and I mean alot of effort into it, so I can see why it would be so expensive.

American animation.

As much as I love anime nothing beats:

Tom & Jerry(my favorite animated series of all-time), Tiny Toons, Looney Tunes, Tazmania, Pinky and The Brain, Batman: The Animated Series, Samurai Jack(tied with Tom n' Jerry), and Dexter's Lab

AtlanticRock

And can you name some recent ones? I love oldschool western animation, like Adventures of Jonny Quest, Scooby Doo Where Are You or Space Ghost. The issue at hand is the lack of new good cartoons. The last one worth watching was Home for Imaginary Friends. At the same time, Japan brings us 3 to 4 top-notch series every year.

Why do I see so many posts comparing Western comedies to anime dramas? The reason so much popular western animation looks terrible is because it was created for Saturday morning cartoons for 10 year olds. The majority of western society doesn't view animation as a strong medium for drama. There is some AMAZING animation from America and Europe, but a lot of it is underground. The comparisons you guys have set up is like comparing Digimon/Pokemon/DBZ to Belleville Rendez-vouz.

Studio Ghibli > All

Problem with Japanese Animation is it is often low budget and the animation is tacky in general. Very little ambient animation going on which I don't like. You often get still scenes where only the main characters in the scene have any movement, everything else is static. But when they do it good it is very well done but it is usually in movie format, not episodes. Human-after-all

Same for western anime and the reason for that is generally because there's so many episodes to do that it will cost too much or take too long if they didn't take short cuts.

Western animation for me.

Nothing beats Ed, Edd n Eddy :P

And I utterly dilike the looks of japanese characters for some reason.

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"]Problem with Japanese Animation is it is often low budget and the animation is tacky in general. Very little ambient animation going on which I don't like. You often get still scenes where only the main characters in the scene have any movement, everything else is static. But when they do it good it is very well done but it is usually in movie format, not episodes. Espada12

Same for western anime and the reason for that is generally because there's so many episodes to do that it will cost too much or take too long if they didn't take short cuts.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"]Problem with Japanese Animation is it is often low budget and the animation is tacky in general. Very little ambient animation going on which I don't like. You often get still scenes where only the main characters in the scene have any movement, everything else is static. But when they do it good it is very well done but it is usually in movie format, not episodes. Human-after-all

Same for western anime and the reason for that is generally because there's so many episodes to do that it will cost too much or take too long if they didn't take short cuts.

Yeah but generally western animation is 100 or so eps, Naruto and bleach are almost at 300 each. In the long run it would cost too much to put all at top notch quality.

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Same for western anime and the reason for that is generally because there's so many episodes to do that it will cost too much or take too long if they didn't take short cuts.

Espada12

Yeah but generally western animation is 100 or so eps, Naruto and bleach are almost at 300 each. In the long run it would cost too much to put all at top notch quality.

I would think if you're making a continuous profit, the length a show runs shouldn't matter. If it doesn't make money, they wouldn't keep making episodes.

[QUOTE="AtlanticRock"]

American animation.

As much as I love anime nothing beats:

Tom & Jerry(my favorite animated series of all-time), Tiny Toons, Looney Tunes, Tazmania, Pinky and The Brain, Batman: The Animated Series, Samurai Jack(tied with Tom n' Jerry), and Dexter's Lab

shinian

And can you name some recent ones? I love oldschool western animation, like Adventures of Jonny Quest, Scooby Doo Where Are You or Space Ghost. The issue at hand is the lack of new good cartoons. The last one worth watching was Home for Imaginary Friends. At the same time, Japan brings us 3 to 4 top-notch series every year.

I would think if you're making a continuous profit, the length a show runs shouldn't matter. If it doesn't make money, they wouldn't keep making episodes.

Enid_Green

The length doesn't matter but keeping such high quality with so many episodes isn't a feasible option. For instance just one anime episode can cost between 110,000 and 200k US to make and these are average quality. There's no way they can be profitable with better quality because the costs will just out way the revenue. As generally the anime has two purposes, to drive DVD sales and such and also to improve manga sales. If you raise your cost too high the improved manga sales would be cancelled out.

Video games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALL

Japanese amine is an industry, with Manga, Game, cosplay, movie......Not all are for kids. It is developed into its own genre and has little related to western ones. There is no need to decide which is better, for both are for us to entertain. Isn't it good for us to have choice?

But personally, I prefer Japanese anime, because I am a visual learner and story-lust person. Japanese anime at least is more story based and some from novels, it tends to have beter plot and imagery, morecolorful, with some exageration. It satisfies my taste of color, image and action. Also importantisthe Japanese Casters for anime make charcters alive.

[QUOTE="Enid_Green"]

I would think if you're making a continuous profit, the length a show runs shouldn't matter. If it doesn't make money, they wouldn't keep making episodes.

Espada12

The length doesn't matter but keeping such high quality with so many episodes isn't a feasible option. For instance just one anime episode can cost between 110,000 and 200k US to make and these are average quality. There's no way they can be profitable with better quality because the costs will just out way the revenue. As generally the anime has two purposes, to drive DVD sales and such and also to improve manga sales. If you raise your cost too high the improved manga sales would be cancelled out.

No, what I'm saying is that it doesn't matter how long a series is. If it doesn't make a profit, they cancel it. You don't make all 300 episodes at once, so you have a (somewhat) set production value. Each episode should cost roughly the same to make, regardless if it's 100 episodes across all the seasons or 300.

well.. what does pokemon go under :P

No, what I'm saying is that it doesn't matter how long a series is. If it doesn't make a profit, they cancel it. You don't make all 300 episodes at once, so you have a (somewhat) set production value. Each episode should cost roughly the same to make, regardless if it's 100 episodes across all the seasons or 300.

Enid_Green

Oh yeah I understand that, I was merely explaining why shorter western animes have more production values per episode than longer japanese animes.

[QUOTE="AtlanticRock"]

American animation.

As much as I love anime nothing beats:

Tom & Jerry(my favorite animated series of all-time), Tiny Toons, Looney Tunes, Tazmania, Pinky and The Brain, Batman: The Animated Series, Samurai Jack(tied with Tom n' Jerry), and Dexter's Lab

shinian

And can you name some recent ones? I love oldschool western animation, like Adventures of Jonny Quest, Scooby Doo Where Are You or Space Ghost. The issue at hand is the lack of new good cartoons. The last one worth watching was Home for Imaginary Friends. At the same time, Japan brings us 3 to 4 top-notch series every year.

I did back on page two... I wouldn't say they are great animation wise but the best looking animated shows to me I've seen in awhile(mainly because I'm a comic freak):

Young Justice

&

The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes

Anyone that says Western Animation is better I implore you to do a youtube search for "5 CENTIMETRES PER SECOND" and be sure to watch it in HD.

I generally prefer Western artistic styles, but at the same time, Japanese animation seems to be in a technical sense, more sophisticated by design.

I'll get Japanese Anime than Western Animation anytime :P

well I love Anime so much but I also like some western animation :)..both are good, its just I like flashydetailed anime :D

Anyone that says Western Animation is better I implore you to do a youtube search for "5 CENTIMETRES PER SECOND" and be sure to watch it in HD.

Zaibach

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]

When did Batman became black?

Super girl is black there as well, I never noticed it till you brought it up.. I suppose it's just a style.. it looks pretty natural though.

I like both equally for different reasons. Nothing beats the disney classics or Tom and Jerry. Then when you see something like Steamboy andMillennium Actress, it's also good.