Just saw Prometheus tonight....

I saw the original Alien and I think that Prometheus is a better film. There is nothing philosophical or thought provoking in Alien; it's just a science fiction-horror film.

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Prometheus is about as deep as a first year philosophy student's 3 a.m. stoned musings. If that's what it takes to declare a movie philosophical and thought provoking then I'm officially old and out of tune with today's culture.

Also "thought provoking" and "philosophical" shouldn't be statements of quality.

Finally, the Alien mythos can't handle the weight of Space Jesus and von Daniken. It turned into a bloated mess.

To the above: that was confirmed to be good old morphine:lol:

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="kraychik"] She's definitely hitting the gym, she's pumped up. What was fake about that scene is that she was all mobile after having the stomach surgery. No way is someone gonna be walking right after getting stitched. Although that scene was intense.kraychik

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I saw the original Alien and I think that Prometheus is a better film.

mitu123

To be fair I've almost said it, Prometheus is on par and slightly better than Alien, but not as good as Aliens. The movie makes you think about Evolution (not just human but alien as well), people complain about plot holes when all of the movies have them, not to mention stupid facepalm moments which Alien and Aliens had A LOT OF!!!.

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I saw the original Alien and I think that Prometheus is a better film.

Ballroompirate

To be fair I've almost said it, Prometheus is on par and slightly better than Alien, but not as good as Aliens. The movie makes you think about Evolution (not just human but alien as well), people complain about plot holes when all of the movies have them, not to mention stupid facepalm moments which Alien and Aliens had A LOT OF!!!.

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[spoiler] Did anyone like the shot of Noomi Rapace's ass when her character is standing in front of the door which leads to Weyland's secret room just before it opens? Damn! Baby got back! [/spoiler]

kraychik

Drug users have been shot multiple times in the chest area by cops and still stand, hell it happened to that bath salt guy in Miami. Even a climber who had to cut off his arm climbed out of a cave he was in.

You'll be surprised what people can do when drugged up or the will to keep alive kicks in.

Prometheus is on par and slightly better than Alien

Ballroompirate

I saw the original Alien and I think that Prometheus is a better film. There is nothing philosophical or thought provoking in Alien; it's just a science fiction-horror film.

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Prometheus is on par and slightly better than Alien

-Sun_Tzu-

Same thing can be said for Alien and Aliens derp

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seems like it wasn't worth watching

Legenkiller59

hmmm, worth the money to pay it then?

I saw the original Alien and I think that Prometheus is a better film. There is nothing philosophical or thought provoking in Alien; it's just a science fiction-horror film.

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

Prometheus is on par and slightly better than Alien

Ballroompirate

Same thing can be said for Alien and Aliens derp

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Couldn't disagree more. I enjoyed Prometheus for what it was, but the writing was absurd. It was an idiot plot from beginning to end.-Sun_Tzu-

Same thing can be said for Alien and Aliens derp

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Couldn't disagree more. I enjoyed Prometheus for what it was, but the writing was absurd. It was an idiot plot from beginning to end.-Sun_Tzu-

Same thing can be said for Alien and Aliens derp

I'd suggest you re watch Alien and Aliens.

We don't know if he went to do "whoopie" with Vickers, he could of done it off screen of course and there's not much he can do for them besides staying up. In their point of view they had no reason to be afraid of what is there cause they think they are the only living things on the planet. It was dumb for the doctor guy to try and pat the space snake, but it was equally dumb for a bunch of trained harden space marines to hand over every ammo clip they have to one guy (who eventually gets blown up) when they should have done the realistic thing and ether holster their weapons or safteys on. Also Dallas going alone in the ducts in Alien was so freaking dumb.

Prometheus has it's stupid moments but so does Alien and Aliens.

Plot did get shaky at times, but I still loved the movie. Finally we get a AAA sci-fi that brings questions of God and religion into the picture. So, despite holes in the plot it gets two thumbs up in my book for being a huge sci-fi that has the balls to question God.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

Same thing can be said for Alien and Aliens derp

Ballroompirate

I'd suggest you re watch Alien and Aliens.

We don't know if he went to do "whoopie" with Vickers, he could of done it off screen of course and there's not much he can do for them besides staying up. In their point of view they had no reason to be afraid of what is there cause they think they are the only living things on the planet. It was dumb for the doctor guy to try and pat the space snake, but it was equally dumb for a bunch of trained harden space marines to hand over every ammo clip they have to one guy (who eventually gets blown up) when they should have done the realistic thing and ether holster their weapons or safteys on. Also Dallas going alone in the ducts in Alien was so freaking dumb.

Prometheus has it's stupid moments but so does Alien and Aliens.

You can nitpick certain aspects of Alien and Aliens, but they are both classics. Prometheus will never be regarded in the same way, not only for its nonsensical plot but for its severely underdeveloped characters. I think it's a mistake to even compare the two movies to Prometheus. Prometheus is not trying to be Alien(s), it's trying to be Bladerunner, but its not nearly as well executed as Bladerunner was.

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Not really; none of the absurdities in either Alien and Aliens come close to rivaling those of Prometheus, and neither features an actual idiot plot. Nothing about Prometheus' story is even coherent. It's a beautiful picture with a number of compelling (albeit underdeveloped) characters and at the end of the day it's still a good movie, but the plot is inexcusably bad. Things like Idgris Elba abandoning his post while two of his crew members are trapped by themselves in an alien ruin so he can bang Charlize Theron just shouldn't be happening. But that is the kind of stuff that goes on when you have Damon Lindelof writing the script. -Sun_Tzu-

I'd suggest you re watch Alien and Aliens.

We don't know if he went to do "whoopie" with Vickers, he could of done it off screen of course and there's not much he can do for them besides staying up. In their point of view they had no reason to be afraid of what is there cause they think they are the only living things on the planet. It was dumb for the doctor guy to try and pat the space snake, but it was equally dumb for a bunch of trained harden space marines to hand over every ammo clip they have to one guy (who eventually gets blown up) when they should have done the realistic thing and ether holster their weapons or safteys on. Also Dallas going alone in the ducts in Alien was so freaking dumb.

Prometheus has it's stupid moments but so does Alien and Aliens.

You can nitpick certain aspects of Alien and Aliens, but they are both classics. Prometheus will never be regarded in the same way, not only for its nonsensical plot but for its severely underdeveloped characters. I think it's a mistake to even compare the two movies to Prometheus. Prometheus is not trying to be Alien(s), it's trying to be Bladerunner, but its not nearly as well executed as Bladerunner was.

Been awhile since I've seen so much contradiction in one post.

Also it questions if you actually even saw the movie, fyi the security guy did want to bring weapons but Shaw wouldn't let him and at the end they say F that and do bring a weapon but it doesn't do squat to the Engineer.

Also even though I love Aliens and it is a classic, doesn't stop me from pointing out the dumb crap it did. You should go slap yourself for even saying it's ok for them to have stupid moments cause they're classics.

Not sure as to why people consider the film as scifi. The fundamental drive, being horror, pales in comparison to Alien. I really couldn't give a damn about any of the characters. The mere relations of humans to alien species, and its supposed "thought-provoking" consequences, would hardly constitute as scifi. Especially not of an alien race with the compassion and reason of a chimpanzee.

[QUOTE="kraychik"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"] She was loaded on drugs, it is what she kept injecting herself with, her wound could have still been open and she'd have still been walking around. SaintLeonidas

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[spoiler] Did anyone like the shot of Noomi Rapace's ass when her character is standing in front of the door which leads to Weyland's secret room just before it opens? Damn! Baby got back! [/spoiler]

Ballroompirate

Drug users have been shot multiple times in the chest area by cops and still stand, hell it happened to that bath salt guy in Miami. Even a climber who had to cut off his arm climbed out of a cave he was in.

You'll be surprised what people can do when drugged up or the will to keep alive kicks in.

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i still don't understand the hate towards it.some alien fans act like they see something so deep in the first titles that no one else is able to see,not even ridley scott himself and i consider myself a fan of the franchise.the movie had it's own flaws but this amount of hatred is just unbelievable.

another thing that i don't understand about the haters is that they seem to be thinking that this movie should've been exactly like what they expected it to be which is stupid,it's what scott had in mind and it had to be believable in the universe he created which i think was.

SaintLeonidas

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Couldn't disagree more. I enjoyed Prometheus for what it was, but the writing was absurd. It was an idiot plot from beginning to end.-Sun_Tzu-

Same thing can be said for Alien and Aliens derp

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

Same thing can be said for Alien and Aliens derp

SaintLeonidas

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

Same thing can be said for Alien and Aliens derp

Ballroompirate

I'd suggest you re watch Alien and Aliens.

We don't know if he went to do "whoopie" with Vickers, he could of done it off screen of course and there's not much he can do for them besides staying up. In their point of view they had no reason to be afraid of what is there cause they think they are the only living things on the planet. It was dumb for the doctor guy to try and pat the space snake, but it was equally dumb for a bunch of trained harden space marines to hand over every ammo clip they have to one guy (who eventually gets blown up) when they should have done the realistic thing and ether holster their weapons or safteys on. Also Dallas going alone in the ducts in Alien was so freaking dumb.

Prometheus has it's stupid moments but so does Alien and Aliens.

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Not really; none of the absurdities in either Alien and Aliens come close to rivaling those of Prometheus, and neither features an actual idiot plot. Nothing about Prometheus' story is even coherent. It's a beautiful picture with a number of compelling (albeit underdeveloped) characters and at the end of the day it's still a good movie, but the plot is inexcusably bad. Things like Idgris Elba abandoning his post while two of his crew members are trapped by themselves in an alien ruin so he can bang Charlize Theron just shouldn't be happening. But that is the kind of stuff that goes on when you have Damon Lindelof writing the script. -Sun_Tzu-

I'd suggest you re watch Alien and Aliens.

We don't know if he went to do "whoopie" with Vickers, he could of done it off screen of course and there's not much he can do for them besides staying up. In their point of view they had no reason to be afraid of what is there cause they think they are the only living things on the planet. It was dumb for the doctor guy to try and pat the space snake, but it was equally dumb for a bunch of trained harden space marines to hand over every ammo clip they have to one guy (who eventually gets blown up) when they should have done the realistic thing and ether holster their weapons or safteys on. Also Dallas going alone in the ducts in Alien was so freaking dumb.

Prometheus has it's stupid moments but so does Alien and Aliens.

You can nitpick certain aspects of Alien and Aliens, but they are both classics. Prometheus will never be regarded in the same way, not only for its nonsensical plot but for its severely underdeveloped characters. I think it's a mistake to even compare the two movies to Prometheus. Prometheus is not trying to be Alien(s), it's trying to be Bladerunner, but its not nearly as well executed as Bladerunner was.

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[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

I'd suggest you re watch Alien and Aliens.

We don't know if he went to do "whoopie" with Vickers, he could of done it off screen of course and there's not much he can do for them besides staying up. In their point of view they had no reason to be afraid of what is there cause they think they are the only living things on the planet. It was dumb for the doctor guy to try and pat the space snake, but it was equally dumb for a bunch of trained harden space marines to hand over every ammo clip they have to one guy (who eventually gets blown up) when they should have done the realistic thing and ether holster their weapons or safteys on. Also Dallas going alone in the ducts in Alien was so freaking dumb.

Prometheus has it's stupid moments but so does Alien and Aliens.

kraychik

You can nitpick certain aspects of Alien and Aliens, but they are both classics. Prometheus will never be regarded in the same way, not only for its nonsensical plot but for its severely underdeveloped characters. I think it's a mistake to even compare the two movies to Prometheus. Prometheus is not trying to be Alien(s), it's trying to be Bladerunner, but its not nearly as well executed as Bladerunner was.

It was meh. And alot of scenes didn't make sense.

It's been out domestically for two weeks, three worldwide. And debates about it are as strong as ever.

Conversely, I don't see very many people discussing Madagascar 3, That's My Boy, Rock of Ages, or any other movie recently released. People don't talk or debate about forgettable movies.

It's been out domestically for two weeks, three worldwide. And debates about it are as strong as ever.

Conversely, I don't see very many people discussing Madagascar 3, That's My Boy, Rock of Ages, or any other movie recently released. People don't talk or debate about forgettable movies.

Qixote

I'm sure people talk about it because it's awesome and not because it's the insanely disappointing return to science fiction of Ridley F*cking Scott.

And now a message from our friend Damon "I'm making this up as I go" Lindelof:

You keep asking those questions, I don't know the answers, besides, explaining would take away from the enjoinment of the film. Scripts are not supposed to make sense, just fill in the gaps with your theories, I shouldn't be explaining it to you, specially since I don't have any explanation either. Just enjoy the visuals and hopefully you'll end up so confused that you'll want to see the next one and I'll continue to get paid.

Coherence is overrated. Story telling is not about creating characters with motivations and a world around them for them to act in the purpose of developing a story, it's about surprising the audience with unexpected events that can't be explained, it's about randomness, you see the more random the events in a movie are, the more chances there are that are the people watching it will need to fill the story to try to make it coherent. I'm not concerned with that. The audience does the job for me.

You see, for me, the process of writing is just sitting down and writing whatever comes through my head at any given moment, I'm not concerned with what happened before or what is going to happen next. I just write down whatever comes to my mind and then I add some religious ideas that I learned from comic books and watching history channel shows. I don't care about making sense, I don't see the point, I'm not concerned with traditional notions of storytelling. So if there is something you don't understand, just write your own theory, fill the gaps, the fun of this is that every viewer ends up writing their own version of the movie and then they can spend hours on the internet discussing their contradictory versions. I don't care, they look retarded trying to make sense of what I write. Anyhow, I still get paid.

Thank you,
D. Lindelof