Kids who bullied bus monitor suspended for a year, have to do community service

[QUOTE="SteverXIII"]

Too harsh imo

Sure, they deserve a punishment but I think this is all down to the media coverage, they just want to show an example of them

GreySeal9

I fully support making an example of them.

-.- That crap doesn't work. Multi-hundred thousand dollar fines for file sharing doesn't deter illicit p2p file sharing, it just unfairly puts someone in debt when they deserved no more of a fine with the value equal to the amount of content copied. And death penalties don't deter murder.

Excessive punishments don't deter crimes; they're just unjust, often childish, vengeance.

These kids need an education, 'more' time in school not less. A short suspension (10 days) and at most detention for a year(which is still pretty excessive...), they may be asses, but they're not really all that much worse than the crap I went to school with.

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Now, if these brats are actually causing constent class disruptions and making teaching/learning hard to impossible, then they 'do' need to be removed from the normal school system and put into... forgot what they're called. But blindly throwing the book at them doesn't do anything positive.

JUUUUUUSTIIIIIICE!

THE_DRUGGIE

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="SteverXIII"]

Too harsh imo

Sure, they deserve a punishment but I think this is all down to the media coverage, they just want to show an example of them

Inconsistancy

I fully support making an example of them.

-.- That crap doesn't work. Multi-hundred thousand dollar fines for file sharing doesn't deter illicit p2p file sharing, it just unfairly puts someone in debt when they deserved no more of a fine with the value equal to the amount of content copied. And death penalties don't deter murder.

Excessive punishments don't deter crimes; they're just unjust, often childish, vengeance.

These kids need an education, 'more' time in school not less. A short suspension (10 days) and at most detention for a year(which is still pretty excessive...), they may be asses, but they're not really all that much worse than the crap I went to school with.

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Now, if these brats are actually causing constent class disruptions and making teaching/learning hard to impossible, then they 'do' need to be removed from the normal school system and put into... forgot what they're called. But blindly throwing the book at them doesn't do anything positive.

From your reply, it is obvious that you failed to read the linked article. The kids still have to go to school, but they will not be going to their regular school. They will be going to an alternative school as well as have to have their parents take them to said school. They will still be getting their education, just somewhere else.

Good news. Children need to be more disciplined.

I hope they learned their lesson!

Instead she just sat there.. Ninja-Hippo

Seriously though, 667k?

Were they planning on sending her on a trip to the moon?

A year-long suspension does not seem like a punishment. It seems like a vacation; these kids should be happy.

A suspension and community service sounds right to me.

A whole entire year though? I dunno...

From your reply, it is obvious that you failed to read the linked article. The kids still have to go to school, but they will not be going to their regular school. They will be going to an alternative school as well as have to have their parents take them to said school. They will still be getting their education, just somewhere else.WhiteKnight77

This thread is full of "HA, Got what they deserved, JUSTICE, they should be suspended from every school in the district to punish the parents,make an example!" type crap, w/o considering or caring if it's excessive or not.

And my post was addressing the 'making an example of' attitude.

I'm aware that they'll be recieving some sort of education, that's required in most states, it's just that removing them isn't necessarily right and doesn't really increase the amount of time they're at school, the quality of education, and may needlessly burden the parents.

The bus monitor even said they aren't bad kids unless they're together.

Despite the torment, she said she does not believe her harassers are bad kids.

"Not deep down. But when they get together, things happen," she said.

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It's funny how there are people here who I could of sworn were defending Romney's pinning down some guy and cutting his hair off as "everyone does stupid crap in high school", then when it's just little kids being brats they switch sides to 'they deserve everything they can get'.

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He didn't rape a girl though. We're talking about beating a kid up. It's HS. It's a regular thing. Kids do dumb shlt.

Pirate700

'thread'

Hopefully it was a suspension from the district and not just the school. That would be a fitting punishment to the parents also.

Pirate700

What an odd change of position, max punishment even for the parents vs ~'kids will be kids'.

If it's true that Mitt got over it w/o punishment just fine, then why is it so different in this case? Is it that they're younger therefor cannot grow up?(makes absolutely no sense)

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
From your reply it is obvious that you utterly failed at comprehension, no surprise on that really.

This thread is full of "HA, Got what they deserved, JUSTICE, they should be suspended from every school in the district to punish the parents,make an example!" type crap, w/o considering or caring if it's excessive or not.

And my post was addressing the 'making an example of' attitude.

I'm aware that they'll be recieving some sort of education, that's required in most states, it's just that removing them isn't necessarily right and doesn't really increase the amount of time they're at school, the quality of education, and may needlessly burden the parents.

The bus monitor even said they aren't bad kids unless they're together.

Despite the torment, she said she does not believe her harassers are bad kids.

"Not deep down. But when they get together, things happen," she said.

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It's funny how there are people here who I could of sworn were defending Romney's pinning down some guy and cutting his hair off as "everyone does stupid crap in high school", then when it's just little kids being brats they switch sides to 'they deserve everything they can get'.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]He didn't rape a girl though. We're talking about beating a kid up. It's HS. It's a regular thing. Kids do dumb shlt.

Inconsistancy

'thread'

Hopefully it was a suspension from the district and not just the school. That would be a fitting punishment to the parents also.

Pirate700

What an odd change of position, max punishment even for the parents vs ~'kids will be kids'.

If it's true that Mitt got over it w/o punishment just fine, then why is it so different in this case? Is it that they're younger therefor cannot grow up?(makes absolutely no sense)

From your reply it is obvious that you utterly failed at comprehension, no surprise on that really.

This thread is full of "HA, Got what they deserved, JUSTICE, they should be suspended from every school in the district to punish the parents,make an example!" type crap, w/o considering or caring if it's excessive or not.

And my post was addressing the 'making an example of' attitude.

I'm aware that they'll be recieving some sort of education, that's required in most states, it's just that removing them isn't necessarily right and doesn't really increase the amount of time they're at school, the quality of education, and may needlessly burden the parents.

The bus monitor even said they aren't bad kids unless they're together.

Despite the torment, she said she does not believe her harassers are bad kids.

"Not deep down. But when they get together, things happen," she said.

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It's funny how there are people here who I could of sworn were defending Romney's pinning down some guy and cutting his hair off as "everyone does stupid crap in high school", then when it's just little kids being brats they switch sides to 'they deserve everything they can get'.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]He didn't rape a girl though. We're talking about beating a kid up. It's HS. It's a regular thing. Kids do dumb shlt.

Inconsistancy

'thread'

Hopefully it was a suspension from the district and not just the school. That would be a fitting punishment to the parents also.

Pirate700

What an odd change of position, max punishment even for the parents vs ~'kids will be kids'.

If it's true that Mitt got over it w/o punishment just fine, then why is it so different in this case? Is it that they're younger therefor cannot grow up?(makes absolutely no sense)

I understood everything that you and everyone else has stated. I don't recall claiming it was or wasn't excessive. Personally, I think it just right. Send them to a different school and have their parents have to take them to it. This is on top of what they already pay in taxes. The parents are having to pay a penalty for not ensuring their kids behave when they are not around. With the attitude that most parents have about their kids nowadays, and the one parent who stated that their son isn't like that, still hasn't awoke to the fact that her son is like that, need to be punished as much as the kid is.

The kids brought it on themselves. The punishment fits the crime. Go to a different school and not ride the bus for a year. That bus monitor will have to live with that torment for the rest of her life, something the kids really need to think about and having to go to a different school for a year is nothing compared to what they put the monitor through.

What an idiotic punishment.

They're middle schoolers, it's normal for them to be complete jerks. And they were in a group. One starts doing something stupid, the others second him, sh!t escalates.

A major ass whooping and an excuse to the hag would have been more than enough.

I understood everything that you and everyone else has stated. I don't recall claiming it was or wasn't excessive. Personally, I think it just right. Send them to a different school and have their parents have to take them to it. This is on top of what they already pay in taxes. The parents are having to pay a penalty for not ensuring their kids behave when they are not around. With the attitude that most parents have about their kids nowadays, and the one parent who stated that their son isn't like that, still hasn't awoke to the fact that her son is like that, need to be punished as much as the kid is.

The kids brought it on themselves. The punishment fits the crime. Go to a different school and not ride the bus for a year. That bus monitor will have to live with that torment for the rest of her life, something the kids really need to think about and having to go to a different school for a year is nothing compared to what they put the monitor through.

WhiteKnight77

You have absolutely no clue of what you're saying.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

I understood everything that you and everyone else has stated. I don't recall claiming it was or wasn't excessive. Personally, I think it just right. Send them to a different school and have their parents have to take them to it. This is on top of what they already pay in taxes. The parents are having to pay a penalty for not ensuring their kids behave when they are not around. With the attitude that most parents have about their kids nowadays, and the one parent who stated that their son isn't like that, still hasn't awoke to the fact that her son is like that, need to be punished as much as the kid is.

The kids brought it on themselves. The punishment fits the crime. Go to a different school and not ride the bus for a year. That bus monitor will have to live with that torment for the rest of her life, something the kids really need to think about and having to go to a different school for a year is nothing compared to what they put the monitor through.

N30F3N1X

You have absolutely no clue of what you're saying.

I know exactly what I am saying.

What an idiotic punishment.

They're middle schoolers, it's normal for them to be complete jerks. And they were in a group. One starts doing something stupid, the others second him, sh!t escalates.

A major ass whooping and an excuse to the hag would have been more than enough.

N30F3N1X

I know exactly what I am saying.

WhiteKnight77

No, you don't.

The hag has more years on her shoulders than all those kids combined. She won't "have to live with that torment" because she's been out of the phase where it could have had an effect on her for a long time.

The kids won't think sh!t of what they did, they'll be taken to a new school environment they'll have to readapt to, possibly losing their friendships and inciting familiar issues, not to mention the "cold eyes" they'll get in that year.

The psychological burden the kids have been sentenced far, far, far outweights their "crime".

I would prefer if they were dealt with by Cthulhu but I guess we can't have everything.

Meanwhile, the fundraiser that was set up to raise $5,000 for a vacation for her is closing in on $700,000 with three weeks to go... Not a bad tradeoff.Dark__Link

Holy crap, its nice of the internet to do this but... really? People are bullied like this or worse ALL the time, and she gets almost a million bucks. That money could go to anti bullying charities or something.

But I guess she can't complain, and at least these kids are getting rightfully punished for this.

Seriously though, 667k?

Were they planning on sending her on a trip to the moon?

SteverXIII

Actually that would cost around $100 million I believe, with what the International Space Station has said on the matter.

Holy crap, its nice of the internet to do this but... really? People are bullied like this or worse ALL the time, and she gets almost a million bucks. That money could go to anti bullying charities or something.

But I guess she can't complain, and at least these kids are getting rightfully punished for this.

SPYDER0416

God no.

Anti bullying charities are crying shoulders that more often than not make things worse.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

I know exactly what I am saying.

N30F3N1X

No, you don't.

The hag has more years on her shoulders than all those kids combined. She won't "have to live with that torment" because she's been out of the phase where it could have had an effect on her for a long time.

The kids won't think sh!t of what they did, they'll be taken to a new school environment they'll have to readapt to, possibly losing their friendships and inciting familiar issues, not to mention the "cold eyes" they'll get in that year.

The psychological burden the kids have been sentenced far, far, far outweights their "crime".

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="SteverXIII"]

Too harsh imo

Sure, they deserve a punishment but I think this is all down to the media coverage, they just want to show an example of them

Inconsistancy

I fully support making an example of them.

-.- That crap doesn't work. Multi-hundred thousand dollar fines for file sharing doesn't deter illicit p2p file sharing, it just unfairly puts someone in debt when they deserved no more of a fine with the value equal to the amount of content copied. And death penalties don't deter murder.

Excessive punishments don't deter crimes; they're just unjust, often childish, vengeance.

These kids need an education, 'more' time in school not less. A short suspension (10 days) and at most detention for a year(which is still pretty excessive...), they may be asses, but they're not really all that much worse than the crap I went to school with.

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Now, if these brats are actually causing constent class disruptions and making teaching/learning hard to impossible, then they 'do' need to be removed from the normal school system and put into... forgot what they're called. But blindly throwing the book at them doesn't do anything positive.

I'm not saying the punishment they received is effective but you seem far too eager to point to school education as if it can fix anything.

There is no reason to feel sorry for those little brats. They had absolutely no respect for that woman and if they got away with it they would just continue to be a bunch of little punks with no respect for their elders. That's the problem with today, back in the day your teacher and your next door neighbor could spank you if you were misbehaving but today your own parents can't spank you in most places without you risking jail time for child abuse.ad1x2

"No reason to feel sorry for them"? Are you trying to be stupid or is that really what you think?

I didn't say they should have "got away with it", I said an ass whooping would have been a much better solution all around.

Forcefully relocating them from their school could have psychological scars with long term consequences and won't make them think about what they did at all, it'll just make them angrier.

Very 1950s in here.

Dark_Knight6

What a joke. Am I the only one that can see clearly what is going on?

This is not a "suspension" These little SOB's are getting death threats right left and centre... this "suspension" is for their protection and nothing more.

It is quite obvious that the father shows no remorse... you can see right through him.

If it were my kid I have him by the scruff of his neck, walk him over to the ladies house and give a FEAR OF GOD apology on national TV.

I can't even understand why some of you are so shocked and flabergasted by these events. The idiotic courts tell us parents that we can not us physical means to discipline our kids... and look where we are today.

This stuff would not have happened 20 years ago and if it did, it would happen once.

A suspension and community service sounds right to me.

A whole entire year though? I dunno...

DJ-Lafleur

It is F,ucktards like this which are the reason we have kids running freely stealing, beating and verbally abusing others in society.

[QUOTE="ad1x2"]There is no reason to feel sorry for those little brats. They had absolutely no respect for that woman and if they got away with it they would just continue to be a bunch of little punks with no respect for their elders. That's the problem with today, back in the day your teacher and your next door neighbor could spank you if you were misbehaving but today your own parents can't spank you in most places without you risking jail time for child abuse.N30F3N1X

"No reason to feel sorry for them"? Are you trying to be stupid or is that really what you think?

I didn't say they should have "got away with it", I said an ass whooping would have been a much better solution all around.

Forcefully relocating them from their school could have psychological scars with long term consequences and won't make them think about what they did at all, it'll just make them angrier.

You cannot be serious. Kids change schools all the time with no ill effects, sometimes even in the middle of the school year. They are not losing any friends as they are not moving from where they live, they are just going to a different school and not with their friends. I went to 10 different schools before I graduated high school and do not suffer any long term effects unless you count me losing the tip of my thumb to a table saw a long term effect.

People do not forget traumatic events. I can remember what happened to me some 40 years ago and as much as 20+ years ago. The fact that those kids told her that her kids should kill themselves (even if not knowing that it really happened) will stay with her due to the fact that it really did happen (and she has not forgotten that nor will she).

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

I know exactly what I am saying.

N30F3N1X

No, you don't.

The hag has more years on her shoulders than all those kids combined. She won't "have to live with that torment" because she's been out of the phase where it could have had an effect on her for a long time.

The kids won't think sh!t of what they did, they'll be taken to a new school environment they'll have to readapt to, possibly losing their friendships and inciting familiar issues, not to mention the "cold eyes" they'll get in that year.

The psychological burden the kids have been sentenced far, far, far outweights their "crime".

Boy, society sure loves to treat the criminals as victims.

I bet you also wonder why jails are overrun and there are 2 year long backlogs in the courts??

You must be a child counsellor and are worried about your clientele drying up.

Boy, society sure loves to treat the criminals as victims.

I bet you also wonder why jails are overrun and there are 2 year long backlogs in the courts??

You must be a child counsellor and are worried about your clientele drying up.

ShampooMctavish

No, I most certainly don't like to treat criminals as victims.

Being a 20 years old student and having an interest for psychology however I do know middle schoolers are always a-holes, especially when they're in groups, and that a good old ass whooping works better than unnecessary inconveniencies like relocating.

My reaction to this:

[QUOTE="ad1x2"]There is no reason to feel sorry for those little brats. They had absolutely no respect for that woman and if they got away with it they would just continue to be a bunch of little punks with no respect for their elders. That's the problem with today, back in the day your teacher and your next door neighbor could spank you if you were misbehaving but today your own parents can't spank you in most places without you risking jail time for child abuse.N30F3N1X

"No reason to feel sorry for them"? Are you trying to be stupid or is that really what you think?

I didn't say they should have "got away with it", I said an ass whooping would have been a much better solution all around.

Forcefully relocating them from their school could have psychological scars with long term consequences and won't make them think about what they did at all, it'll just make them angrier.

If you think I'm stupid for not feeling sorry for them then so be it. Fact of the matter is I don't feel sorry for bullies. The only children I feel sorry for are victims of (not the ones who commit) crimes and ones who live through poverty. Since current laws pretty much defang parents in their ability to discipline their children we have to come up with other legal methods to punish them.

Changing schools should not be looked at as a way to abuse those kids. They still live in the same place, so most of their friends are still going to be close by to them. I knew people who changed several schools in their lifetime and came out fine. Personally, between my fourth grade year and my ninth grade year I've never been in the same school for more than one school year and I'm fine.

[QUOTE="ShampooMctavish"]

Boy, society sure loves to treat the criminals as victims.

I bet you also wonder why jails are overrun and there are 2 year long backlogs in the courts??

You must be a child counsellor and are worried about your clientele drying up.

N30F3N1X

No, I most certainly don't like to treat criminals as victims.

Being a 20 years old student and having an interest for psychology however I do know middle schoolers are always a-holes, especially when they're in groups, and that a good old ass whooping works better than unnecessary inconveniencies like relocating.

Well, we certainly would not want to inconvenience these kids now would we. I understand your comments because you being 20 means that you have grown up and thrived off the "new society" of apathy towards punk a,ss kids where you get a trophy for coming in last and get a time out in the corner instead of a proper beating.

The new methods are not working. In a successful society you must have consequence. The courts, parents and aspiring psycologists like yourself have removed consequence from the equation which has left us with what we have today... a young society completely out of control.

Well, we certainly would not want to inconvenience these kids now would we. I understand your comments because you being 20 means that you have grown up and thrived off the "new society" of apathy towards punk a,ss kids where you get a trophy for coming in last and get a time out in the corner instead of a proper beating.

The new methods are not working. In a successful society you must have consequence. The courts, parents and aspiring psycologists like yourself have removed consequence from the equation which has left us with what we have today... a young society completely out of control.

ShampooMctavish

I didn't mean inconvenience the kids, I meant their parents. This is hardly an inconvenience for the kids who will just have to sit in their parents' car instead of a bus.

And I said I have an interested in psychology, not that I'm an aspiring psychologist. My main field of study is engineering, and I'm not an unrealistic/idealistic blind cretin. I try not to, at least. As I've said before, the kids should have got their asses whooped. It most likely isn't "because of people like me" that actions no longer have consequences.

Can you guarantee even in the slightest that more education alone will actually help them change behavior?

I'm not saying the punishment they received is effective but you seem far too eager to point to school education as if it can fix anything.

Teenaged

I am still laughing at the fact that these dumb asses thought it would be a great idea to post it on youtube.. sSubZerOo

Now that I think about it... :lol:

Wtf. I was too scared to watch the video, but now I am intrigued. Still to scared to watch it though.Ugalde-

You will be better off not watching it. I had to shut it down after 3 minutes. Do not allow yourself to be intrigued by it... it is poor excuse of our humanity.

[QUOTE="Ugalde-"]Wtf. I was too scared to watch the video, but now I am intrigued. Still to scared to watch it though.ShampooMctavish

You will be better off not watching it. I had to shut it down after 3 minutes. Do not allow yourself to be intrigued by it... it is poor excuse of our humanity.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Can you guarantee even in the slightest that more education alone will actually help them change behavior?

I'm not saying the punishment they received is effective but you seem far too eager to point to school education as if it can fix anything.

Inconsistancy

I'm not against education or anything (I amstudying to become a teacher afterall) but it kinda irks me when people point at solutions so easily without much to go with.

Unfortunately, such behavior cannot be countered with education. Usually, simply staying in cIass, reading books, and doing assignments doesnt make you think about your behavior or more disciplined. So I'd say that this sort of punishment no matter how inefficient it might be, is not inefficient enough to achieve less than education alone would.

My opinion is that it all boils down to parenting. Not education.

The community service better be some strenuous labor. Some seriously hard work without being paid might teach a decent lesson.

[QUOTE="ad1x2"]There is no reason to feel sorry for those little brats. They had absolutely no respect for that woman and if they got away with it they would just continue to be a bunch of little punks with no respect for their elders. That's the problem with today, back in the day your teacher and your next door neighbor could spank you if you were misbehaving but today your own parents can't spank you in most places without you risking jail time for child abuse.N30F3N1X

"No reason to feel sorry for them"? Are you trying to be stupid or is that really what you think?

I didn't say they should have "got away with it", I said an ass whooping would have been a much better solution all around.

Forcefully relocating them from their school could have psychological scars with long term consequences and won't make them think about what they did at all, it'll just make them angrier.

What sort of solution do you realistically think will happen? I feel like this is one of those situations where you are going to have trouble giving the correct punishment. The kids plain and simple had to get a severe punishment because what they did was plain and simple cruel and unacceptable. They are how old and they are harrassing an old women and making comments about cutting her with a knife. An ass whopping would probably be the best solution I agree but since these days hitting kids is taboo all you can do is give a stern talking too. The kids need to be shamed, I honestly don't see why we should feel sorry for them or care about them being angrier, should we make them feel happy as an alternative? If they can't be civil contributing members of society then they are useless to the rest of us. Harsh but its true, some kid threatening old women isn't a kid I care to give a second chance. You earn that **** you don't get it because we don't want to "scar" you. Fuuck North American idealism of reform of punishment and reform is garbage. They tried to pull this **** in India or many African countries and these kids would learn their lesson and get a mad ass whopping to boot.