Knight vs. Ninja

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Of course they were not invincible. Longbows decimated knights, particularly on foot. Once gunpowder came into play, knights became obsolete. However their armor was the product of hundreds of years of hand to hand combat in Europe, a war riddled continent at that point in history. Japanese weapons were not designed to break or puncture through plate armor, or slice through chain mail the grade which knights wore. The Samurai, unless he managed to get a knight to take a self-negligent blow (such as a two handed sword on the ground) he would not get an opening to make any blow without opening himself to a hit. If a Samurai used a kanabo, he can check his speed and manoeuvrability at the door. Furthermore, how the hell would he make a blow to the head with that? The knight either has a heavy shield or a two handed sword, either quite capable of taking an initial blow. A blow from a two handed weapon such as a kanabo would necessitate that the Samurai would open himself to attack.

How powerful were they? The ones utilized in Europe were taller than a man, designed to pierce thick armor and had a draw force of well in excess of 100 LBs. Even then it wasn't enough to pierce all parts of the armor. All sorts of infantry are essentially equally susceptible to archery, since at least in medieval times, archery was used en masse targeting groups of soldiers to break ranks etc. Dodging a fleet of incoming arrows while in rank and file is not exactly possible. It was just a single battle in particular, Agincourt, where Knights were wiped the floor with. In that particular battle though, the reason the knights were obliterated was due to the muddy conditions, they were required to dismount and engage on foot. Of course a blunt trauma blow blow from behind could kill an armored man, but getting behind someone is a difficult task. Running behind a knight necessitates running around a knight. Assuming he doesn't have a death wish, he simply needs to rotate while the heavily armed Samurai attempts to take a comparatively lengthy run around the knight. I mean, a knight is slow, but not stuck.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]People actually picking the ninja. Talking about speed and agility can beat brute strength. No it can't not when a person with brute strength has armor on from head to toe and trains to kill in a battlefield. A knight would destroy a ninja because a ninja has no weapons that can penetrate their armor. And the ninja is a still just a HUMAN which means that he is not gonna be that fast ond agile like people say. To me this fight is like a 265 pound man fist fighting an 130 pound man. I wonder how far the "speed and agility" of the 130 person can last before the 265 pounder beats him to the ground... mrbojangles25

"but but but teh 130 pound man knows the karate and can get rapid strikes of quickness on him!"

or, at least, that is what I expect people to say :P

In all seriousness,I agree Gamer. I am sorry, but the whole "bigger they are, heavier they fall" and "size of the fight in the dog, not the size of the dog" adages are just....false. As I said earlier, there is a reason why they have weight classes in martial arts competitions, and it is because a larger person will always just decimate a smaller person when equally trained.

A14th century platemail knight had more mobility than a 10th century chainmail soldier. And just a reminder, Most people think of ninjas as the anime/video game varient. The all Clad in black ninja actually came into existance back in either the 17oo's or the 1800's in a play when one of the "stage helpers" was acutally an actor (the stage helpers wore all black, and people ignored them) and "murdered" a character in teh story line while teh other actors pretended not to notice. Amazing eh?

Oh, and the "Code of Chiverly" was more of a guideline anyways.

Could a knight ever amount to anything like this. 8)

Could a knight ever amount to anything like this. 8)

MobilechicaneX

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]People actually picking the ninja. Talking about speed and agility can beat brute strength. No it can't not when a person with brute strength has armor on from head to toe and trains to kill in a battlefield. A knight would destroy a ninja because a ninja has no weapons that can penetrate their armor. And the ninja is a still just a HUMAN which means that he is not gonna be that fast ond agile like people say. To me this fight is like a 265 pound man fist fighting an 130 pound man. I wonder how far the "speed and agility" of the 130 person can last before the 265 pounder beats him to the ground... surrealnumber5

"but but but teh 130 pound man knows the karate and can get rapid strikes of quickness on him!"

or, at least, that is what I expect people to say :P

In all seriousness,I agree Gamer. I am sorry, but the whole "bigger they are, heavier they fall" and "size of the fight in the dog, not the size of the dog" adages are just....false. As I said earlier, there is a reason why they have weight classes in martial arts competitions, and it is because a larger person will always just decimate a smaller person when equally trained.

OF COURSE! God, how could I have forgotten that?

[QUOTE="MobilechicaneX"]

Could a knight ever amount to anything like this. 8)

lordreaven

Over-hyped? Ryu can do even better than that in the video. (Have a look at Ninja Gaiden)

People actually picking the ninja. Talking about speed and agility can beat brute strength. No it can't not when a person with brute strength has armor on from head to toe and trains to kill in a battlefield. A knight would destroy a ninja because a ninja has no weapons that can penetrate their armor. And the ninja is a still just a HUMAN which means that he is not gonna be that fast ond agile like people say. To me this fight is like a 265 pound man fist fighting an 130 pound man. I wonder how far the "speed and agility" of the 130 person can last before the 265 pounder beats him to the ground... MgamerBD

"but but but teh 130 pound man knows the karate and can get rapid strikes of quickness on him!"

or, at least, that is what I expect people to say :P

In all seriousness,I agree Gamer. I am sorry, but the whole "bigger they are, heavier they fall" and "size of the fight in the dog, not the size of the dog" adages are just....false. As I said earlier, there is a reason why they have weight classes in martial arts competitions, and it is because a larger person will always just decimate a smaller person when equally trained.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

"but but but teh 130 pound man knows the karate and can get rapid strikes of quickness on him!"

or, at least, that is what I expect people to say :P

In all seriousness,I agree Gamer. I am sorry, but the whole "bigger they are, heavier they fall" and "size of the fight in the dog, not the size of the dog" adages are just....false. As I said earlier, there is a reason why they have weight classes in martial arts competitions, and it is because a larger person will always just decimate a smaller person when equally trained.

MgamerBD

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="MobilechicaneX"]

Could a knight ever amount to anything like this. 8)

Over-hyped? Ryu can do even better than that in the video. (Have a look at Ninja Gaiden)

I know, and it's a shame. The closest thing to a ninja that these people have seen is Naruto.:(-Big_Red-

Knight. [QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]I know, and it's a shame. The closest thing to a ninja that these people have seen is Naruto.:(ff7fan2

I dont think anyone in recent times saw any of them and even the people who documented the existence of Shinobis only documented what they knew hence making thier existence almost mythical.

I am also suprised by the answers of people opting for the Knight because thats almost like comparing an Army Infantry with all his armour and kit with some Spec Ops guy like Delta

I dont think anyone in recent times saw any of them and even the people who documented the existence of Shinobis only documented what they knew hence making thier existence almost mythical.

I am also suprised by the answers of people opting for the Knight because thats almost like comparing an Army Infantry with all his armour and kit with some Spec Ops guy like Deltamegaspiderweb09

In a one on one match? A knight would massacre a ninja. Ninjas are not really designed to match up against a heavily armored opponent. They're more steatlh and secrecy. Tights don't match up well against steel armor.

[QUOTE="megaspiderweb09"]

I dont think anyone in recent times saw any of them and even the people who documented the existence of Shinobis only documented what they knew hence making thier existence almost mythical.

I am also suprised by the answers of people opting for the Knight because thats almost like comparing an Army Infantry with all his armour and kit with some Spec Ops guy like Deltaff7fan2

Actually Ninjas/Shinobi were also fighters as well,just mayb they execute or as documented stealth missions(Check Wiki)

On the other hand,i have seen a couple of documentaries about ninjitsu to know that a Ninja isnt some soldier who learns basic combat,these were told to be strategic elites who at every move made a calculated attack or defense. So despite the full body armour,a Shinobi would study a Knight and find his weakpoint and capitalize on it (Ninjas fight in unfair manners)

I vote ninja. He can use the arts of stealth and concealment to sneak up behind the knight.

Knights wore mostly chainmail. Plate armor came practically when knights were becoming obsolete

Knights wore mostly chainmail. Plate armor came practically when knights were becoming obsolete

roadwish

You sir are actually correct,i bet alot of people actually didnt do thier research before posting. They prob assumed the Knight was a giant lol

I think the ninja would win.

NINJAAAA!!!!

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Of course they were not invincible. Longbows decimated knights, particularly on foot. Once gunpowder came into play, knights became obsolete. However their armor was the product of hundreds of years of hand to hand combat in Europe, a war riddled continent at that point in history. Japanese weapons were not designed to break or puncture through plate armor, or slice through chain mail the grade which knights wore. The Samurai, unless he managed to get a knight to take a self-negligent blow (such as a two handed sword on the ground) he would not get an opening to make any blow without opening himself to a hit. If a Samurai used a kanabo, he can check his speed and manoeuvrability at the door. Furthermore, how the hell would he make a blow to the head with that? The knight either has a heavy shield or a two handed sword, either quite capable of taking an initial blow. A blow from a two handed weapon such as a kanabo would necessitate that the Samurai would open himself to attack.

coolbeans90

How powerful were they? The ones utilized in Europe were taller than a man, designed to pierce thick armor and had a draw force of well in excess of 100 LBs. Even then it wasn't enough to pierce all parts of the armor. All sorts of infantry are essentially equally susceptible to archery, since at least in medieval times, archery was used en masse targeting groups of soldiers to break ranks etc. Dodging a fleet of incoming arrows while in rank and file is not exactly possible. It was just a single battle in particular, Agincourt, where Knights were wiped the floor with. In that particular battle though, the reason the knights were obliterated was due to the muddy conditions, they were required to dismount and engage on foot. Of course a blunt trauma blow blow from behind could kill an armored man, but getting behind someone is a difficult task. Running behind a knight necessitates running around a knight. Assuming he doesn't have a death wish, he simply needs to rotate while the heavily armed Samurai attempts to take a comparatively lengthy run around the knight. I mean, a knight is slow, but not stuck.

I was expecting you were going to mention Crecy instead of Agincourt. :(

[QUOTE="roadwish"]

Knights wore mostly chainmail. Plate armor came practically when knights were becoming obsolete

megaspiderweb09

You sir are actually correct,i bet alot of people actually didnt do thier research before posting. They prob assumed the Knight was a giant lol

OP clearly stated 14th Century Knight vs Ninja; hence, plate armour. TC then went on to make numerous other posts making it clear he was in fact talking about a plate armoured Knight. Which is why the vast majority of posters realize that the Knight would make mincemeat of the ninja.

[QUOTE="megaspiderweb09"]

[QUOTE="roadwish"]

Knights wore mostly chainmail. Plate armor came practically when knights were becoming obsolete

SUD123456

You sir are actually correct,i bet alot of people actually didnt do thier research before posting. They prob assumed the Knight was a giant lol

OP clearly stated 14th Century Knight vs Ninja; hence, plate armour. TC then went on to make numerous other posts making it clear he was in fact talking about a plate armoured Knight. Which is why the vast majority of posters realize that the Knight would make mincemeat of the ninja.