knowlegable christians might be able to answer my question...

Modern humans evolved some 40,000-60,000 years ago. God revealed himself tohumanity for the first time about 3500 years ago when he told Abraham to leave the city of Ur and found a country in Judea.

why did god wait nearly 60,000 years before he revealed himself to man?

ENOUGH, no more religion related threads, people should get banned for thesetevwalker13

Modern humans evolved some 40,000-60,000 years ago. God revealed himself tohumanity for the first time about 3500 years ago when he told Abraham to leave the city of Ur and found a country in Judea.

why did god wait nearly 60,000 years before he revealed himself to man?

mig_killer2

[QUOTE="tevwalker13"]ENOUGH, no more religion related threads, people should get banned for theseslinky6

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]

Modern humans evolved some 40,000-60,000 years ago. God revealed himself tohumanity for the first time about 3500 years ago when he told Abraham to leave the city of Ur and found a country in Judea.

why did god wait nearly 60,000 years before he revealed himself to man?

slinky6

No more religion threads, I' am so sick of people making these topics to disprove Gods existence. Many on this board say there is no proof that He exists! To those I say show me the proof that He doesn't exist!jd7-03

[QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="tevwalker13"]ENOUGH, no more religion related threads, people should get banned for thesemig_killer2

Who knows. Maybe God just felt like it

Not a Christian BTW ;)

I'm an atheist, so you already know my response, but I'll say it anyway. God doesn't exist.
slinky6

Also, the burden of proof is on you since you made the claim ;)

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="tevwalker13"]ENOUGH, no more religion related threads, people should get banned for thesetevwalker13

[QUOTE="tevwalker13"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="tevwalker13"]ENOUGH, no more religion related threads, people should get banned for thesemig_killer2

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="tevwalker13"]ENOUGH, no more religion related threads, people should get banned for thesetevwalker13

Who are you to decide that?

I happen to think religious threads are some of the most interesting ones on OT.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="tevwalker13"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="tevwalker13"]ENOUGH, no more religion related threads, people should get banned for thesetevwalker13

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="tevwalker13"]ENOUGH, no more religion related threads, people should get banned for thesetevwalker13

[QUOTE="tevwalker13"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="tevwalker13"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="tevwalker13"]ENOUGH, no more religion related threads, people should get banned for thesemig_killer2

[QUOTE="tevwalker13"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="tevwalker13"]ENOUGH, no more religion related threads, people should get banned for theseXx_CYC756_xX

Also, the burden of proof is on you since you made the claim ;)"

"Proof?

Also, the burden of proof is on you since you made the claim ;)"

Extarordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Saying God doesn't exist is not an extraordinary claim, it's a default position. It's like saying (to recycle my other example) 3 inch long invisible hippos don't exist. No one would argue with me.
slinky6

Actually by the rules of Occom's Razor (spelling)its more logical to suggest that the Universe is eternal and always was here, instead of a creator which created it all. Having a creator only adds more questions and falls in the still pit fall of logic that everything must have a creator to exist.

"Proof?

Also, the burden of proof is on you since you made the claim ;)"

Extarordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Saying God doesn't exist is not an extraordinary claim, it's a default position. It's like saying (to recycle my other example) 3 inch long invisible hippos don't exist. No one would argue with me.
slinky6

"Proof?

Also, the burden of proof is on you since you made the claim ;)"

Extarordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Saying God doesn't exist is not an extraordinary claim, it's a default position. It's like saying (to recycle my other example) 3 inch long invisible hippos don't exist. No one would argue with me.
slinky6

[QUOTE="slinky6"]"Proof?

Also, the burden of proof is on you since you made the claim ;)"

Extarordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Saying God doesn't exist is not an extraordinary claim, it's a default position. It's like saying (to recycle my other example) 3 inch long invisible hippos don't exist. No one would argue with me.
sSubZerOo

Actually by the rules of Occom's Razor (spelling)its more logical to suggest that the Universe is eternal and always was here, instead of a creator which created it all. Having a creator only adds more questions and falls in the still pit fall of logic that everything must have a creator to exist.

ENOUGH! :x

I have a confession to make: I'm God. :|

Yep, that's right; I am God. :|

"Proof?

Also, the burden of proof is on you since you made the claim ;)"

Extarordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Saying God doesn't exist is not an extraordinary claim, it's a default position. It's like saying (to recycle my other example) 3 inch long invisible hippos don't exist. No one would argue with me.
slinky6

ENOUGH! :x

I have a confession to make: I'm God. :|

Yep, that's right; I am God. :|

tomxizor

[QUOTE="tomxizor"]

ENOUGH! :x

I have a confession to make: I'm God. :|

Yep, that's right; I am God. :|

mig_killer2

[QUOTE="slinky6"]"Proof?

Also, the burden of proof is on you since you made the claim ;)"

Extarordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Saying God doesn't exist is not an extraordinary claim, it's a default position. It's like saying (to recycle my other example) 3 inch long invisible hippos don't exist. No one would argue with me.
BEAN_LARD_MULCH

Hey I can state they don't exist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBfi8OEz0rA
Proof right there!

[QUOTE="tomxizor"]

ENOUGH! :x

I have a confession to make: I'm God. :|

Yep, that's right; I am God. :|

mig_killer2

Do you want to go to Hell? I will send you to Hell so you can be Saddam's "little friend". STOP ASKING QUESTIONS! :x

[spoiler] I'm not really God.:P [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"][QUOTE="slinky6"]"Proof?

Also, the burden of proof is on you since you made the claim ;)"

Extarordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Saying God doesn't exist is not an extraordinary claim, it's a default position. It's like saying (to recycle my other example) 3 inch long invisible hippos don't exist. No one would argue with me.
slinky6

Hey I can state they don't exist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBfi8OEz0rA
Proof right there!

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="slinky6"]"Proof?

Also, the burden of proof is on you since you made the claim ;)"

Extarordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Saying God doesn't exist is not an extraordinary claim, it's a default position. It's like saying (to recycle my other example) 3 inch long invisible hippos don't exist. No one would argue with me.
mig_killer2

Actually by the rules of Occom's Razor (spelling)its more logical to suggest that the Universe is eternal and always was here, instead of a creator which created it all. Having a creator only adds more questions and falls in the still pit fall of logic that everything must have a creator to exist.

Hmm Science has evolved since Einstein. the Universe "we live in" had a beginning, caused by a Big Bang. Doesn't mean that there aren't other Universes. If you look around on the internet (just type before big bang in google) there are theories suggesting 2 parallel Universes clashing to create the Big Bang, or every Black Hole creating a Universe inside it (process of evolution in Universe making),etc.

As an agnostic atheist (or weak atheist w/e you call it) I'd say those are ridiculous claims. But before saying the Earth was not the center of the Universe was also a ridiculous claim, and saying the Earth was round was also a ridiculous claim.

But none of it is as ridiculous as saying God exists. If God is infinite and has no creator, the Universe could also be infinite and have no creator.

If God exists He doesn't care about us, duh.

Modern humans evolved some 40,000-60,000 years ago. God revealed himself tohumanity for the first time about 3500 years ago when he told Abraham to leave the city of Ur and found a country in Judea.

why did god wait nearly 60,000 years before he revealed himself to man?

For starters, a system of writing wasnt around till around 3500 bce. So it might be possible that God has been with us for as long as we have been around. The bible is just one telling of mans attempt to understand the nature of God. Every Culture has it, the middle easter region is no different. The Creation Stories and Flood stories are similar to the Sumerian stories.

But you can look at it from this direction. Because of the Jewish people, Christianity arose. Christianity filled in the vaccum that was left after the fall of Rome. Even though we hate to admit it, Christianity is pretty much ingrained into almost every person of Western European desent. Christians helped spread the "Word" of God to all cornors of the world, being word of mouth, or saddly, by the end of the sword. So, if you were God, and you wanted to get a message out, and time wasnt really a factor to you. Then that way was probably the best. Course, that is just one way of looking at it. It probably isnt true. Ive stopped trying to understand the nature of God long ago, and now Im focused on the Nature of me. Which is alot more complitcated.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="tevwalker13"]ENOUGH, no more religion related threads, people should get banned for thesetevwalker13

Modern humans evolved some 40,000-60,000 years ago. God revealed himself tohumanity for the first time about 3500 years ago when he told Abraham to leave the city of Ur and found a country in Judea.

why did god wait nearly 60,000 years before he revealed himself to man?

mig_killer2

well you know what happened 3500yrs ago? A certain level of human civilization that will always remain constant, why preach to barbarians? it takes a certain amount of actual thought to read

No more religion threads, I' am so sick of people making these topics to disprove Gods existence. Many on this board say there is no proof that He exists! To those I say show me the proof that He doesn't exist!jd7-03

God was always with man, he showed himself to Abraham when he felt there was a need, just like he sent Jesus when he felt there was a need. I believe Mohammed was also a messenger of God, and one day God will send someone else.serbsta69

How about if i tell you that I am a messenger of god.

Please try to disprove this.

"Proof?

Also, the burden of proof is on you since you made the claim ;)"

Extarordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Saying God doesn't exist is not an extraordinary claim, it's a default position. It's like saying (to recycle my other example) 3 inch long invisible hippos don't exist. No one would argue with me.
slinky6

Well, except in this case god has existed in many if not most of the world's population's minds in various forms.

To take something taken for granted for millenia and all of a sudden say it doesn't exist would cause the burden of proof to fall upon the shoulders of the person making that claim, I'd think.

God was always with man, he showed himself to Abraham when he felt there was a need, just like he sent Jesus when he felt there was a need. I believe Mohammed was also a messenger of God, and one day God will send someone else.serbsta69

Unfortunately that answer doesn't fit with the personality of God. God describes Himself in the Bible as a "jealous" god and his actions throughout the Bible certainly make this statement a fact. God really hates it when people don't worship Him, and even moreso when they worship something other than Him. For God to wait 150,000 years to reveal himself to man goes against this very personality. This is a god who has not only destroyed entire civilizations, but even every living thing on Earth (save for for a few) because He felt not enough people were following his wishes. He was even about to kill off the Jews that Moses led out of Egypt when He saw they were worshipping a cow (and keep in mind that God had just done quite a bit of work to free them, and was very willing to kill every single one of them off on a whim just for not worshipping Him). Now keep in mind that in the 145,000 years before God revealed Himself there were many other religions that cropped up that had nothing to do with him (mostly animalistic/nature worshipping religions, though the most notable example would be Hinduism which has existed for twice as long as Judaism). For God to wait 145,000 years to reveal Himself while in the menatime every human on Earth was worshipping a deity/spirit/whatever that wasn't him is, quite frankly, completely incongrous with the personality of God. Furthermore it goes against logic seeing as how the Bible claims that God revealed himself to man starting from the beginning of man's existence. And for some reason I just can't imagine people forgetting about a being such as God for 145,000 years.

I'm not exactly Christian, but God reveled himself to adam and eve who are the first humans so even if you don't take that literally, you can easly assume he reveled himself to humans before Abraham.

why do atheists automatically assume that christians know every damn thing in the universe

christians believe in god and jesus that doesnt make us all knowing

Modern humans evolved some 40,000-60,000 years ago. God revealed himself tohumanity for the first time about 3500 years ago when he told Abraham to leave the city of Ur and found a country in Judea.

why did god wait nearly 60,000 years before he revealed himself to man?

mig_killer2

It doesn't need much knowledge to asnwer...just a little common sense. Let's get something straight, the Bible is not a textbook. If you are looking for scientific data in it, you must be pretty stupid. Simply put: science says how, and the Bible says why. Science cannot disprove the Bible despite what you are led to believe, and the Bible cannot disprove science.

And where did you come up with God revealing himself to Abraham 3500 years ago, for the first time? That is...well, way way off to say the least.

40,000 years ago? Wrong.

Scientifically speaking (at least according to wikipedia) the species Homo Sapiens has actually been around for 2.5 million years. However, there have really only been about 3500-4000 years of civilisation. Therefore, when speaking about theology and spirituality, only these 4000 years can be classified as 'human', IMO.

A liberal Christian would probably reply that God waited until Man was civilised enough for his contact, or even that God made them civilized. A more conservative would simply reply that the world has not even existed for 60,000 years, since it says so in the Bible.

40,000 years ago? Wrong.

Scientifically speaking (at least according to wikipedia) the species Homo Sapiens has actually been around for 2.5 million years. However, there have really only been about 3500-4000 years of civilisation. Therefore, when speaking about theology and spirituality, only these 4000 years can be classified as 'human', IMO.

A liberal Christian would probably reply that God waited until Man was civilised enough for his contact, or even that God made them civilized. A more conservative would simply reply that the world has not even existed for 60,000 years, since it says so in the Bible.

chutup

Nowhere in the Bible doeos it say definitively how old the earth is...common misconception. And you can take my word for it, because I researched this for about a month straight my junior year in college.