Kobe Bryant chides fan on Twitter

[QUOTE="GamingVengeance"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Not really. It's the fact that b/r (lol) overemphasizes stats and awards whilst not looking at the larger picture.DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]to show how much of a joke bleacher report is, I will apply to become a writer.jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Champ stay out of this.

And even if it were ridiculous it is closer to the truth than what the cult of Kobe would have you believe. 

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]to show how much of a joke bleacher report is, I will apply to become a writer.GamingVengeance

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Kobe maybe overrated to an extent, and sure a lot of it comes from his image more so than his game and espn buzz words like clutch.

BUT TEN PLAYERS? are not better than Kobe in the past decade. I would agree with Lebron, and I could totally understand why someone would take Tim Duncan, D-wade, maybe Garnett or someone like Allen Iverson over the past decade(and of course Shaq), but there are just not 10 players superior to Kobe. I think he's absolutely amazing, but I'll freely admit my NBA knowledge is slacking to properly rank him. But ten players? TEN? I could understand all time, but in the past decade of the NBA? That requires giving way too many credit for seasons they haven't had yet. Because Kobe's career is pretty lengthy to boot.jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="GamingVengeance"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Lol someone used bleacherreport in a debate. jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Don't worry, I've already listed 10 players. The hard work is done. Toxic-Seahorse

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Kobe maybe overrated to an extent, and sure a lot of it comes from his image more so than his game and espn buzz words like clutch.

BUT TEN PLAYERS? are not better than Kobe in the past decade. I would agree with Lebron, and I could totally understand why someone would take Tim Duncan, D-wade, maybe Garnett or someone like Allen Iverson over the past decade(and of course Shaq), but there are just not 10 players superior to Kobe. I think he's absolutely amazing, but I'll freely admit my NBA knowledge is slacking to properly rank him. But ten players? TEN? I could understand all time, but in the past decade of the NBA? That requires giving way too many credit for seasons they haven't had yet. Because Kobe's career is pretty lengthy to boot.jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Don't worry, I've already listed 10 players. The hard work is done. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Don't worry, I've already listed 10 players. The hard work is done. -Sun_Tzu-

Ginobili doesnt belong above kobe. no way. He's a great player, and a wonderful asset and the second/ third most important player in those championship spurs but the spurs Tim Duncan was the centerpiece of that team and Tony Parker was a monster player too (he has an fmvp one of those years though i've heard arguments for Duncan deserving it more).

Kobe has been an integral part of 5 championship teams playing 2nd fiddle to shaq, then sharing 1a, 1b responsibility with him. Then he goes on to carry his own team (very bad team, with Odom being the only good player) for a couple of years. That year that the lakers lost the 3-1 lead to the suns, the lakers shouldnt even had been able to be up in that series, those suns were so stacked and talented. They should have been able to win it all at one point except i remember some kind of controversy with the spurs and the suns getting half their team suspended.

Nash can run a team very well, but he didnt become a superstar until his later years, and his defense has always been atroicious. He shouldnt be above kobe. Kidd is like nash, a wonderful playmaker in his prime, and he could defend too, but he led a good nets team against a super weak eastern conference to the finals. I remember I was out of town during the finals when the nets played the lakers and the nets couldnt even keep the series going long enough for me to get back to watch them. Back then, the real finals were held in the western conference. until the pistons got good.

Only players over the last 10 years that could arguably be above kobe are shaq, lebron, duncan and garnett

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] A few of them require conjecture that the player will actually last long enough to put up Kobe's career resume, Wade hasn't nearly been as durable, and I would completely disagree that Nash or Kidd were as dominant as Kobe was in the many stages of his career. Manu Ginobili is just a ridiculous person to put over Kobe. Plus I get the notion that Kobe was on some great teams, but you can't just completely ignore his playoff success. It's never an end all, be all, but ignorng the titles is just silly. bionicle_lover

Ginobili doesnt belong above kobe. no way. He's a great player, and a wonderful asset and the second/ third most important player in those championship spurs but the spurs Tim Duncan was the centerpiece of that team and Tony Parker was a monster player too (he has an fmvp one of those years though i've heard arguments for Duncan deserving it more).

Kobe has been an integral part of 5 championship teams playing 2nd fiddle to shaq, then sharing 1a, 1b responsibility with him. Then he goes on to carry his own team (very bad team, with Odom being the only good player) for a couple of years. That year that the lakers lost the 3-1 lead to the suns, the lakers shouldnt even had been able to be up in that series, those suns were so stacked and talented. They should have been able to win it all at one point except i remember some kind of controversy with the spurs and the suns getting half their team suspended.

Nash can run a team very well, but he didnt become a superstar until his later years, and his defense has always been atroicious. He shouldnt be above kobe. Kidd is like nash, a wonderful playmaker in his prime, and he could defend too, but he led a good nets team against a super weak eastern conference to the finals. I remember I was out of town during the finals when the nets played the lakers and the nets couldnt even keep the series going long enough for me to get back to watch them. Back then, the real finals were held in the western conference. until the pistons got good.

Only players over the last 10 years that could arguably be above kobe are shaq, lebron, duncan and garnett

[QUOTE="bionicle_lover"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] That argument goes both ways though. Manu Ginobili is a three time NBA champion. Jason Kidd took the freaking Nets to the finals two years in a row. And Steve Nash made it to the western conference finals two years in a row (one of those years actually eliminating Kobe's lakers after being down 3-1 in the series). 

-Sun_Tzu-

Ginobili doesnt belong above kobe. no way. He's a great player, and a wonderful asset and the second/ third most important player in those championship spurs but the spurs Tim Duncan was the centerpiece of that team and Tony Parker was a monster player too (he has an fmvp one of those years though i've heard arguments for Duncan deserving it more).

Kobe has been an integral part of 5 championship teams playing 2nd fiddle to shaq, then sharing 1a, 1b responsibility with him. Then he goes on to carry his own team (very bad team, with Odom being the only good player) for a couple of years. That year that the lakers lost the 3-1 lead to the suns, the lakers shouldnt even had been able to be up in that series, those suns were so stacked and talented. They should have been able to win it all at one point except i remember some kind of controversy with the spurs and the suns getting half their team suspended.

Nash can run a team very well, but he didnt become a superstar until his later years, and his defense has always been atroicious. He shouldnt be above kobe. Kidd is like nash, a wonderful playmaker in his prime, and he could defend too, but he led a good nets team against a super weak eastern conference to the finals. I remember I was out of town during the finals when the nets played the lakers and the nets couldnt even keep the series going long enough for me to get back to watch them. Back then, the real finals were held in the western conference. until the pistons got good.

Only players over the last 10 years that could arguably be above kobe are shaq, lebron, duncan and garnett

Garnett was a hell of a player that was stuck on bad teams. He constantly brought them through pretty good runs in the playoffs only to run into a very strong western conference every time. His teams were never really stacked the way Nash's was. Garnett was also a great defensive anchor and Defensive player of the year. He also has a championship while anchoring the Celtic's defense. That Big 3 celtics team was very talented, but Garnett was able to get a championship as arguably the best player on the team, with pierce winning the fmvp though i think. You can still see Garnett's dominance now as the defensive anchor of the Celtics. Nash was all offense, and he was good at it, but i dont see him as being a better player than Garnett, who could play both sides of the floor well. Kidd was a great defender and could also run an offense, but he wasnt as dominant as Garnett on the defensive side and he couldnt score the ball at will like Nash or Garnett could. In most talks about greatest PF's of all time, you get Duncan as usually the first, then either barkley, malone and Garnett.

I'm not saying kidd and nash dont get to be called top players of their generation because they are some of the best point guards ever, but I dont see them above kobe or garnett.

I do not see how Lebron choke james can be above kobe that's rediculous

I dont really follow Basketball as I am European and prefer Football (the real kind) 

but toomany Basketball players come off as unlikeable to me, even more so than the pre-madonnaPremiership douchebags we have in England.

lol @ all the idiots who think LeBron is better than His Airness. Jordan wins three championships in a row. Jordan retires for a couple years and the Bulls can't get to the finals. -Tish-

The very next year they should have been to the finals. Im a knicks fan and I admit the bulls got hosed.

The Bulls still had championship material teams without him. The Heat/Cavs are absolutely nothing without Lebron

But still, I don't think Lebron is better than Jordan. But I think people seriously underrate the Bulls, how good they were, and even how good scotty pippen was. People seem to forget he has 6 championships also.

lol @ all the idiots who think LeBron is better than His Airness. Jordan wins three championships in a row. Jordan retires for a couple years and the Bulls can't get to the finals. Then he comes back for the lulz and wins three more championships in a row and retires again. LeBron with Wade and Bosh couldn't overcome a Mavericks team with one superstar. This comparison goes way beyond championships. Even if LeBron goes on to win eight more titles, it doesn't automatically mean he'll be considered better than MJ. The sheer volume of Jordan's resume is astonishing. His ability to create offense going through three or four defenders at a time is, to this day, unprecedented. That being said, if LeBron continues to play like he's playing now, then he'll certainly get close. But it's waaaaay too early. -Tish-

His airness couldn't win a title until Pippen and Co. came to town. In fact, between the time Big Game James left NC and 1990, Jordan couldn't win anything. Also, the bit about Jordan retiring and bulls not getting into the finals only strengthens the argument for LeBron. When Jordan left, they won only 2 fewer games and made it in the playoffs. When LeBron left Cleveland, they went from the most wins to the least wins.When have you seen a player defend every position? LeBron defended players ranging from Derrick Rose to Roy Hibbert. Jordan couldn't do that. When have you seen a player like Lebron take only 11 shots and still be the best player on the floor?

 

I dont really follow Basketball as I am European and prefer Football (the real kind) 

 

but toomany Basketball players come off as unlikeable to me, even more so than the pre-madonnaPremiership douchebags we have in England.

Zaibach

[QUOTE="Swanogt19"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Kobe Bryant is a crazy person and an extremely overrated basketball player. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="Swanogt19"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Kobe Bryant is a crazy person and an extremely overrated basketball player. -Sun_Tzu-

lol...

The amount of fallacious sports statements I see on this site is ridiculous. 

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Amazing person because of this? No, it doesn't cancel out the crappy stuff he's done in the past.

kingkong0124

[QUOTE="Swanogt19"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Kobe Bryant is a crazy person and an extremely overrated basketball player. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Tish-"]lol @ all the idiots who think LeBron is better than His Airness. Jordan wins three championships in a row. Jordan retires for a couple years and the Bulls can't get to the finals. Then he comes back for the lulz and wins three more championships in a row and retires again. LeBron with Wade and Bosh couldn't overcome a Mavericks team with one superstar. This comparison goes way beyond championships. Even if LeBron goes on to win eight more titles, it doesn't automatically mean he'll be considered better than MJ. The sheer volume of Jordan's resume is astonishing. His ability to create offense going through three or four defenders at a time is, to this day, unprecedented. That being said, if LeBron continues to play like he's playing now, then he'll certainly get close. But it's waaaaay too early. DroidPhysX

His airness couldn't win a title until Pippen and Co. came to town. In fact, between the time Big Game James left NC and 1990, Jordan couldn't win anything. Also, the bit about Jordan retiring and bulls not getting into the finals only strengthens the argument for LeBron. When Jordan left, they won only 2 fewer games and made it in the playoffs. When LeBron left Cleveland, they went from the most wins to the least wins.When have you seen a player defend every position? LeBron defended players ranging from Derrick Rose to Roy Hibbert. Jordan couldn't do that. When have you seen a player like Lebron take only 11 shots and still be the best player on the floor?

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Kobe seems like a smart and chill guy especially from his Facebook posts.

kingkong0124

Yeah, Kobe Bryant is definitely the smartest NBA superstar out there

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant_sexual_assault_case

This. 

I've known people who were around him in high school in PA, and he acted like a prima donna. Well, he is a highly paid, professional athlete.

heeweesRus

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="-Tish-"]lol @ all the idiots who think LeBron is better than His Airness. Jordan wins three championships in a row. Jordan retires for a couple years and the Bulls can't get to the finals. Then he comes back for the lulz and wins three more championships in a row and retires again. LeBron with Wade and Bosh couldn't overcome a Mavericks team with one superstar. This comparison goes way beyond championships. Even if LeBron goes on to win eight more titles, it doesn't automatically mean he'll be considered better than MJ. The sheer volume of Jordan's resume is astonishing. His ability to create offense going through three or four defenders at a time is, to this day, unprecedented. That being said, if LeBron continues to play like he's playing now, then he'll certainly get close. But it's waaaaay too early. -Tish-

His airness couldn't win a title until Pippen and Co. came to town. In fact, between the time Big Game James left NC and 1990, Jordan couldn't win anything. Also, the bit about Jordan retiring and bulls not getting into the finals only strengthens the argument for LeBron. When Jordan left, they won only 2 fewer games and made it in the playoffs. When LeBron left Cleveland, they went from the most wins to the least wins.When have you seen a player defend every position? LeBron defended players ranging from Derrick Rose to Roy Hibbert. Jordan couldn't do that. When have you seen a player like Lebron take only 11 shots and still be the best player on the floor?

Why do you think Kobe is just pulling up jumpers now? DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="-Tish-"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

His airness couldn't win a title until Pippen and Co. came to town. In fact, between the time Big Game James left NC and 1990, Jordan couldn't win anything. Also, the bit about Jordan retiring and bulls not getting into the finals only strengthens the argument for LeBron. When Jordan left, they won only 2 fewer games and made it in the playoffs. When LeBron left Cleveland, they went from the most wins to the least wins.When have you seen a player defend every position? LeBron defended players ranging from Derrick Rose to Roy Hibbert. Jordan couldn't do that. When have you seen a player like Lebron take only 11 shots and still be the best player on the floor?

DroidPhysX

Yeah, blistering through in transition...

And zone defense is barely played in the NBA. The Lakers probably see it on less than 10% of their possessions. Kobe puts up jumpers because he struggles getting around quick and long defenders and can't beat double teams like he used to. Simply put, age. 

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="-Tish-"]LeBron is a stat master but he doesn't have the instinct Jordan had. In terms of the "it" factor, Jordan will probably always be on top. The dude didn't have the size LeBron has, so yeah of course he couldn't guard power forwards and centers. But he could still go through them like no other whenever he wanted. WHENEVER he wanted. Optical_Order

Yeah, blistering through in transition...

And zone defense is barely played in the NBA. The Lakers probably see it on less than 10% of their possessions. Kobe puts up jumpers because he struggles getting around quick and long defenders and can't beat double teams like he used to. Simply put, age. 

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] That's because Jordan never went up against a zone defense. Why do you think Kobe is just pulling up jumpers now? He can't penetrate zone defenses as effectively. Lebron on the other hand is just blistering through and intimidating opposing defenders. Jordan would've been forced to shoot jumpers had a proper zone been implemented. DroidPhysX

Yeah, blistering through in transition...

And zone defense is barely played in the NBA. The Lakers probably see it on less than 10% of their possessions. Kobe puts up jumpers because he struggles getting around quick and long defenders and can't beat double teams like he used to. Simply put, age. 

Don't know where to find the stat, but I watch almost every Laker game. I'll go out on a limb and say it's less than 10%. Brah. I hope you're talking about the Pacers, but I honestly don't know what scheme they're running, but I doubt they're running a basic zone all the time. 

Lebron looks to pass more often when he breaks into the lane because everyone collapses on him (and he's a great passer). When he's "blistering" through it's often in transition or when defense isn't set. Not saying that he doesn't smash through at all though, that would be silly. 

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Kobe seems like a smart and chill guy especially from his Facebook posts.

th3warr1or

Yeah, Kobe Bryant is definitely the smartest NBA superstar out there

Jeremy Lin isn't a Superstar, let alone an all-star...

It's laughable seeing OT try and talk sports. :lol: 

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

Yeah, Kobe Bryant is definitely the smartest NBA superstar out there

Jagged3dge

Jeremy Lin isn't a Superstar, let alone an all-star...

It's laughable seeing OT try and talk sports. :lol: 

Jermey Lin -> Asian 

Asian -> Stereotype for being smart

Jeremy Lin -> Smart

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

Yeah, blistering through in transition...

And zone defense is barely played in the NBA. The Lakers probably see it on less than 10% of their possessions. Kobe puts up jumpers because he struggles getting around quick and long defenders and can't beat double teams like he used to. Simply put, age. 

Optical_Order

Don't know where to find the stat, but I watch almost every Laker game. I'll go out on a limb and say it's less than 10%. Brah. I hope you're talking about the Pacers, but I honestly don't know what scheme they're running, but I doubt they're running a basic zone all the time. 

Lebron looks to pass more often when he breaks into the lane because everyone collapses on him (and he's a great passer). When he's "blistering" through it's often in transition or when defense isn't set. Not saying that he doesn't smash through at all though, that would be silly. 

I'm talking about over the years. Kobe didn't all of a sudden decide to shoot pull up jumpers this year. His age is getting to him, yes which means he can't penetrate as effectively which is terrible against zones. Of course. We all know Lebron will never be the scorer that Jordan was, not even up for debate. Lebron just bullies his way through, transition or not.DroidPhysx

Kobe's pretty good at penetrating defenses, don't know what you're talking about.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]extremely overrated basketball player. Aljosa23

stick to politics, son

Like him better when he was a rapist. [QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]extremely overrated basketball player. Pete-B

stick to politics, son

You're right, Sun's a Knicks fan

Carmelo Anthony #1 amirite Sun Tzu?

Carmelo Anthony #1 amirite Sun Tzu?

kingkong0124

Like him better when he was a rapist. [QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]extremely overrated basketball player. Pete-B

stick to politics, son

[QUOTE="Pete-B"]Like him better when he was a rapist. [QUOTE="Aljosa23"]hahahahahahahahah

stick to politics, son

DroidPhysX

Two interesting developments have arisen since the creation of this thread.

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While Sun Tzu and Droid idiotically continue to vilify Kobe Bryant, it's safe to say those who know the game of basketball best (Kobe's most respected peers) disagree....

Didn't he get fined for saying f***** earlier this year on court? HoolaHoopMan

"It's the right thing to do," Bryant told ESPN.com Tuesday. "I couldn't help myself. I saw it, I was like, 'I can't help myself. I have to respond.' "

Didn't he get fined for saying f***** earlier this year on court? HoolaHoopMan