Koran burning cancelled

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As OT continues to blow up (pun intended) the event there are dozens of US/UK flags and bibles burning as we speak.

CannedWorms

As OT continues to blow up (pun intended) the event there are dozens of US/UK flags and bibles burning as we speak.

CannedWorms

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As OT continues to blow up (pun intended) the event there are dozens of US/UK flags and bibles burning as we speak.

Snipes_2

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As OT continues to blow up (pun intended) the event there are dozens of US/UK flags and bibles burning as we speak.

CannedWorms

Only reason there was a huge uproar about it is because people are scared of muslim extremists.

That is all.

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CannedWorms

I agree its absurd.. I honestly could careless what they burn.. What pissed me off is the general had to come out and claim that it will cost soldier's lives.. No peoples over-reaction will cost peoples lives.. If we are blaming the people who protest or what not are the actual perpatraitors.. This basically opens up a laundry list.. Are we to say that one too many Jon Stewart jokes from his Daily Show caused a extreme conservative to flip out and murder people.. Now whose fault is that? Because its certainly not Jon Stewart's.. What if Glen Beck becomes extremely critical of Islam and then shows a picture thats a satire of Mohammad.. That certainly will piss people off, BUT are we really going to say that it was specifically his fault if something happens? Because I honestly don't think so.. If this is the case we might as well have the government start banning internet sites devoted to demonizing Islam that any one can go see..

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As OT continues to blow up (pun intended) the event there are dozens of US/UK flags and bibles burning as we speak.

CannedWorms

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="CannedWorms"]http://www.euronews.net/2010/09/09/muslims-burn-us-flag-in-pakistan/ Not ONE article on this. What a biased forum OT is.CannedWorms

What do you think Pakistan is then?

country that has flood over a 5th of it's landmass, massive government problems and instabilities, lots of poverty, territories that the government DOES not have control over (tribal territory) what in any of these constitute it as NOT third world?SaudiFury

As OT continues to blow up (pun intended) the event there are dozens of US/UK flags and bibles burning as we speak.

CannedWorms

Right. Thats what the US should do. Compare itself to what people in third world countries do. Why shouldn't we be more like Somalia? I've always been a fan of pirates anyway.

But seriously..:?

You have to look at the social stricture of those countries, how they were brought up, the beliefs they were brought up with. And of course you have to look at our influence in the middle east the last century. It certainly wasn't good.

And where are these bibles being burned by the way?

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taj7575

Right. Thats what the US should do. Compare itself to what people in third world countries do. Why shouldn't we be more like Somalia? I've always been a fan of pirates anyway.

But seriously..:?

You have to look at the social stricture of those countries, how they were brought up, the beliefs they were brought up with. And of course you have to look at our influence in the middle east the last century. It certainly wasn't good.

And where are these bibles being burned by the way?

What? If you look at the article in the link I gave above it says burning a flag in Pakistan is one of the most disrespectful things they can do. They know the difference between right and wrong. Why should they be exempt from criticism? http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article652439.ece/Court-bid-to-stop-Jozi-Bible-burningCannedWorms

Again, like I said, we can't compare ourselves with what Pakistan does. How can we pride ourselves as the best nation in the world, and want to do things that third world countries do?

I'm not saying that I'm not angry they they do it..We fund them with a lot of our money, and we are one of their biggest "allies" for a long time, and yet they still cause a lot of problems because of their corrupt Government, and how unstable the country is. But right now, their country is in a mess from flooding, and people are angry and frustrated.

[QUOTE="CannedWorms"]What? If you look at the article in the link I gave above it says burning a flag in Pakistan is one of the most disrespectful things they can do. They know the difference between right and wrong. Why should they be exempt from criticism? http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article652439.ece/Court-bid-to-stop-Jozi-Bible-burningtaj7575

Again, like I said, we can't compare ourselves with what Pakistan does. How can we pride ourselves as the best nation in the world, and want to do things that third world countries do?

I'm not saying that I'm not angry they they do it..We fund them with a lot of our money, and we are one of their biggest "allies" for a long time, and yet they still cause a lot of problems because of their corrupt Government, and how unstable the country is. But right now, their country is in a mess from flooding, and people are angry and frustrated.

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[QUOTE="CannedWorms"]What? If you look at the article in the link I gave above it says burning a flag in Pakistan is one of the most disrespectful things they can do. They know the difference between right and wrong. Why should they be exempt from criticism? http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article652439.ece/Court-bid-to-stop-Jozi-Bible-burningSaudiFury

Again, like I said, we can't compare ourselves with what Pakistan does. How can we pride ourselves as the best nation in the world, and want to do things that third world countries do?

I'm not saying that I'm not angry they they do it..We fund them with a lot of our money, and we are one of their biggest "allies" for a long time, and yet they still cause a lot of problems because of their corrupt Government, and how unstable the country is. But right now, their country is in a mess from flooding, and people are angry and frustrated.

Yeah, and it's not a good nickname to carry around either :lol:

[QUOTE="CannedWorms"]What? If you look at the article in the link I gave above it says burning a flag in Pakistan is one of the most disrespectful things they can do. They know the difference between right and wrong. Why should they be exempt from criticism? http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article652439.ece/Court-bid-to-stop-Jozi-Bible-burningtaj7575

Again, like I said, we can't compare ourselves with what Pakistan does. How can we pride ourselves as the best nation in the world, and want to do things that third world countries do?

I'm not saying that I'm not angry they they do it..We fund them with a lot of our money, and we are one of their biggest "allies" for a long time, and yet they still cause a lot of problems because of their corrupt Government, and how unstable the country is. But right now, their country is in a mess from flooding, and people are angry and frustrated.

You're probably right on the last part, but they might not even be flood victims.

It's so one sided. Why are the West always treading on eggshells around Islam? You take a bible into any Islamic state, and caught with it, it is destroyed. No one seems to care. The President of Pakistan claimed it threatened world peace!!! I mean come on, they seem so out of touch with reality. If one nutcase burning books threatens world peace, it does not speak much for our future.

The majority of WEsterners respect the Muslim faith, but they seem to eager to hate on Western society just because they have conflicting ideaologies.

Someone should go out an burn some Korans, bibles and copies of Darwin's 'Origins' essay. A lot of people are only looking to get 'offended' so they can react.

As OT continues to blow up (pun intended) the event there are dozens of US/UK flags and bibles burning as we speak.CannedWorms

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[QUOTE="CannedWorms"]What? If you look at the article in the link I gave above it says burning a flag in Pakistan is one of the most disrespectful things they can do. They know the difference between right and wrong. Why should they be exempt from criticism? http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article652439.ece/Court-bid-to-stop-Jozi-Bible-burningCannedWorms

Again, like I said, we can't compare ourselves with what Pakistan does. How can we pride ourselves as the best nation in the world, and want to do things that third world countries do?

I'm not saying that I'm not angry they they do it..We fund them with a lot of our money, and we are one of their biggest "allies" for a long time, and yet they still cause a lot of problems because of their corrupt Government, and how unstable the country is. But right now, their country is in a mess from flooding, and people are angry and frustrated.

You're probably right on the last part, but they might not even be flood victims.

Because it's not a huge deal..People burn the flag in America itself. I don't approve of it, I actually think it's very stupid, but it's not too significant.

Nobody is scapegoating Christians here, seeing that the majority here are Christians. People just don't want to see others doing stupid things and having to face consequences because of it.

And there are a lot of flood victims by the way..This was a very disastrous flood.

[QUOTE="CannedWorms"]As OT continues to blow up (pun intended) the event there are dozens of US/UK flags and bibles burning as we speak.scorch-62

Because it's not a huge deal..People burn the flag in America itself. I don't approve of it, I actually think it's very stupid, but it's not too significant.

Nobody is scapegoating Christians here, seeing that the majority here are Christians. People just don't want to see others doing stupid things and having to face consequences because of it.

And there are a lot of flood victims by the way..This was a very disastrous flood.

taj7575

I am sick of Muslims extremists threatening Christians/Jews. They should stop being so damn sensitive.

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="CannedWorms"]As OT continues to blow up (pun intended) the event there are dozens of US/UK flags and bibles burning as we speak.CannedWorms

[QUOTE="scorch-62"]Just because you can say or do something doesn't mean everyone will agree with it, therefore your point is moot.CannedWorms

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]You called checkmate first mateTeenaged

That was between him and LJ. In our debate, Ninja self declared checkmate first.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]You called checkmate first matecoolbeans90

That was between him and LJ. In our debate, Ninja self declared checkmate first.

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]LJS did, iirc.Teenaged

That was between him and LJ. In our debate, Ninja self declared checkmate first.

I wouldn't say arrogant per se, so much as to some degree presumptuous. In life, one cannot always know an answer, quite often we make judgements upon what appears to us to be the most likely scenario,(or the mental outcome that makes us the most emotionally comfortable. Or maybe they are both the same due to biases? That's a separate discussion though... I think) People have to make some assumptions merely to survive. But very possibly isn't correct. We cannot eliminate uncertainty, we can only try to reasonably remove as much of it as we can, which is a very complicated process, and often not clear whether correctly done so. On another note, taking a position on something we find reasonable requires to some degree is in a practical sense, not agnostic. And I wouldn't regard trying to understand the book, which could possibly misinterpret it, as being disrespectful to the book. Not sure how you arrived to that conclusion. I would say making no effort to try and understand it would be far more disrespectful. But if I do read it, and to try to extrapolate any meaning from it, whether literally or figuratively, I will recognize that it is my interpretation.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

That was between him and LJ. In our debate, Ninja self declared checkmate first.

coolbeans90

I wouldn't say arrogant per se, so much as to some degree presumptuous. In life, one cannot always know an answer, quite often we make judgements upon what appears to us to be the most likely scenario,(or the mental outcome that makes us the most emotionally comfortable. Or maybe they are both the same due to biases? That's a separate discussion though... I think) People have to make some assumptions merely to survive. But very possibly isn't correct. We cannot eliminate uncertainty, we can only try to reasonably remove as much of it as we can, which is a very complicated process, and often not clear whether correctly done so. On another note, taking a position on something we find reasonable requires to some degree is in a practical sense, not agnostic. And I wouldn't regard trying to understand the book, which could possibly misinterpret it, as being disrespectful to the book. Not sure how you arrived to that conclusion. I would say making no effort to try and understand it would be far more disrespectful. But if I do read it, and to try to extrapolate any meaning from it, whether literally or figuratively, I will recognize that it is my interpretation.

being a muslim in america must be hard these days-Y2J-

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Yeah I think though in sarcasm towards LJS making the start of check mates. Anyway I cant claim I know for sure. Just how I saw it. Anyway I was about to post here to extend on the slippery slope I wrote last time. Since we have established that even by reading the Bible, we are interpreting it, then we are all arrogant simply by reading it. Thus in order to avoid being arrogant and be disrespectful to the book in the process then no one should ever read the Bible.Teenaged

I wouldn't say arrogant per se, so much as to some degree presumptuous. In life, one cannot always know an answer, quite often we make judgements upon what appears to us to be the most likely scenario,(or the mental outcome that makes us the most emotionally comfortable. Or maybe they are both the same due to biases? That's a separate discussion though... I think) People have to make some assumptions merely to survive. But very possibly isn't correct. We cannot eliminate uncertainty, we can only try to reasonably remove as much of it as we can, which is a very complicated process, and often not clear whether correctly done so. On another note, taking a position on something we find reasonable requires to some degree is in a practical sense, not agnostic. And I wouldn't regard trying to understand the book, which could possibly misinterpret it, as being disrespectful to the book. Not sure how you arrived to that conclusion. I would say making no effort to try and understand it would be far more disrespectful. But if I do read it, and to try to extrapolate any meaning from it, whether literally or figuratively, I will recognize that it is my interpretation.

No, they are not as you haven't demonstrated the process of interpreting a text is inherently disrespectful or arrogant. (of course, depending how you define "arrogant" I suppose...)

No, they are not as you haven't demonstrated the process of interpreting a text is inherently disrespectful or arrogant. (of course, depending how you define "arrogant" I suppose...)coolbeans90

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]No, they are not as you haven't demonstrated the process of interpreting a text is inherently disrespectful or arrogant. (of course, depending how you define "arrogant" I suppose...)Teenaged

Eh, if it's clarification you seek, you could have asked far sooner. I essentially treated interpretation as " to explain or tell the meaning of," and fairly consistently I might add. This includes literal translation. Slippery slope, eh? Care to demonstrate such a case?

Eh, if it's clarification you seek, you could have asked far sooner. I essentially treated interpretation as " to explain or tell the meaning of," and fairly consistently I might add. This includes literal translation.
coolbeans90

Slippery slope, eh? Care to demonstrate such a case?coolbeans90

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]Eh, if it's clarification you seek, you could have asked far sooner. I essentially treated interpretation as " to explain or tell the meaning of," and fairly consistently I might add. This includes literal translation.
Teenaged

Ok, then, go ahead.

I picked the first listed definition the page, dude. The terms were used consistently. The context of the argument was unaffected by the looseness of the term, as he directly stated that he took no opinion on the text whatsoever while claiming that the text specifically did not say something. Furthermore, "literal" translations are greatly subjective, and this is greatly exacerbated by multiple translations and two thousand year's time passing.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]Slippery slope, eh? Care to demonstrate such a case?Teenaged

No, not particularly.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]Eh, if it's clarification you seek, you could have asked far sooner. I essentially treated interpretation as " to explain or tell the meaning of," and fairly consistently I might add. This includes literal translation.
coolbeans90

Ok, then, go ahead.

I picked the first listed definition the page, dude. The terms were used consistently. The context of the argument was unaffected by the looseness of the term, as he directly stated that he took no opinion on the text whatsoever while claiming that the text specifically did not say something. Furthermore, "literal" translations are greatly subjective, and this is greatly exacerbated by multiple translations and two thousand year's time passing.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]Slippery slope, eh? Care to demonstrate such a case?coolbeans90

No, not particularly.

I'm happy that he called off the Koran burning. It would have endangered our troops fighting Islamic extremists.

Aw man.:(