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If the person is mature enough to know how to reproduce, then they are mature enough to buy condoms. The school shouldn't provide protection to OPTIONAL out of school activities. Rather than teaching kids that it is bad and not a responsible thing to have sex, they tell them that it is okay as long as they wear a condom. It is not. Sex is not something that should just be tossed around as a personal pleasurable activity, it is something that can create human life and it should be viewed much more seriously than most people currently view it.

If the person does not want to have a kid, then they should not be having sex. Using condoms is like getting in your car to go somewhere, but having an automatic stopper that prevents you from ever getting to where you are meant to be going. Sex has a purpose and that purpose is not pleasure which a majority of people think it is.

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#102 SpaceMoose
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...they tell them that it is okay as long as they wear a condom...hoola

Do you have any evidence of that or is that just an inference you made from the fact that they teach that condoms reduce the chances or pregnancy and STDs?

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#103 Pixel-Pirate
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Abstinence education always makes me laugh.

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im shocked people are in support of this honestly its appalling. never mind the fact rampant sex in schools is already a problem lets just encourage it even more thats how we get teenage pregancies cause news flash condoms do not 100% work. secondly kids dont need to be built up as sex toys....geez whats next pedophiles allowed to teach to 1st graders? i mean your already providing the condoms why not some lube and actual pedophiles might as well complete the bill. total BS and as usual liberals dont care and conservatives are evil for not wanting 1st graders to get condoms.
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If the person is mature enough to know how to reproduce, then they are mature enough to buy condoms. The school shouldn't provide protection to OPTIONAL out of school activities. Rather than teaching kids that it is bad and not a responsible thing to have sex, they tell them that it is okay as long as they wear a condom. It is not. Sex is not something that should just be tossed around as a personal pleasurable activity, it is something that can create human life and it should be viewed much more seriously than most people currently view it.

If the person does not want to have a kid, then they should not be having sex. Using condoms is like getting in your car to go somewhere, but having an automatic stopper that prevents you from ever getting to where you are meant to be going. Sex has a purpose and that purpose is not pleasure which a majority of people think it is.

hoola

The ignorance in this post is staggering.. No where do they ever say that the condom is full proof infact the main goal is to prevent sex at young ages with the education to the risks involved... What your car analogy would be more like is that your in your car and putting your seat belt makes you perfectly safe to going high speeds.. No it doesn't, it can save your life but driving reckless or going extreme high speeds doesn't garentee you to be safe even with a seat belt.. A condom is the exact same way.. That if you are willing to go on regardless of the risks, that you should at least practice safe sex to reduce any risk of transfer of STD's or unwanted pregnancies.. Seriously people, the human race isn't some how more sexually active with the introduction of the condom..

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im shocked people are in support of this honestly its appalling. never mind the fact rampant sex in schools is already a problem lets just encourage it even more thats how we get teenage pregancies cause news flash condoms do not 100% work. secondly kids dont need to be built up as sex toys....geez whats next pedophiles allowed to teach to 1st graders? i mean your already providing the condoms why not some lube and actual pedophiles might as well complete the bill. total BS and as usual liberals dont care and conservatives are evil for not wanting 1st graders to get condoms.kayoticdreamz

I think it's stupid to believe that keeping someone in the dark will keep them from making bad decisions.

If you never teach me that a gun is dangerous, or that it even exists, I am unlikely to use it with the caution needed when I discover it.

Condoms don't work 100% of the time (99%, however. Nothing works 100%). However they do work alot better than not using them. And again, they arn't handing condoms out in class. They are making it available if they want it. There for the child needs to already have such knowledge. It isn't being provided to him.

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#107 Pixel-Pirate
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If the person is mature enough to know how to reproduce, then they are mature enough to buy condoms. The school shouldn't provide protection to OPTIONAL out of school activities. Rather than teaching kids that it is bad and not a responsible thing to have sex, they tell them that it is okay as long as they wear a condom. It is not. Sex is not something that should just be tossed around as a personal pleasurable activity, it is something that can create human life and it should be viewed much more seriously than most people currently view it.

If the person does not want to have a kid, then they should not be having sex. Using condoms is like getting in your car to go somewhere, but having an automatic stopper that prevents you from ever getting to where you are meant to be going. Sex has a purpose and that purpose is not pleasure which a majority of people think it is.

hoola

I'm glad they don't teach kids that sex is bad and horrible. Because that would be incorrect.

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#108 taj7575
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[QUOTE="hoola"]

If the person is mature enough to know how to reproduce, then they are mature enough to buy condoms. The school shouldn't provide protection to OPTIONAL out of school activities. Rather than teaching kids that it is bad and not a responsible thing to have sex, they tell them that it is okay as long as they wear a condom. It is not. Sex is not something that should just be tossed around as a personal pleasurable activity, it is something that can create human life and it should be viewed much more seriously than most people currently view it.

If the person does not want to have a kid, then they should not be having sex. Using condoms is like getting in your car to go somewhere, but having an automatic stopper that prevents you from ever getting to where you are meant to be going. Sex has a purpose and that purpose is not pleasure which a majority of people think it is.

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The ignorance in this post is staggering.. No where do they ever say that the condom is full proof infact the main goal is to prevent sex at young ages with the education to the risks involved... What your car analogy would be more like is that your in your car and putting your seat belt makes you perfectly safe to going high speeds.. No it doesn't, it can save your life but driving reckless or going extreme high speeds doesn't garentee you to be safe even with a seat belt.. A condom is the exact same way.. That if you are willing to go on regardless of the risks, that you should at least practice safe sex to reduce any risk of transfer of STD's or unwanted pregnancies.. Seriously people, the human race isn't some how more sexually active with the introduction of the condom..

I agree. holla, first of all, that car analogy made no sence at all. And you are right about the seat belt thing. Thats what it is. A risk that you take in the safest manner possible.

And like I said before, there was no "good ol' days" back when there were no teen pregnancies and things like that occuring. It was actually more rampant back then.

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im shocked people are in support of this honestly its appalling. never mind the fact rampant sex in schools is already a problem lets just encourage it even more thats how we get teenage pregancies cause news flash condoms do not 100% work. secondly kids dont need to be built up as sex toys....geez whats next pedophiles allowed to teach to 1st graders? i mean your already providing the condoms why not some lube and actual pedophiles might as well complete the bill. total BS and as usual liberals dont care and conservatives are evil for not wanting 1st graders to get condoms.kayoticdreamz

First of all, abstinence only education has been taught and sex is "rampant". Teenagers will have sex regardless of what anyone says or does. But offering them protection will significantly decrease the chances of pregnancy and disease transmission. Condoms don't always work, but offer signficantly more protection than otherwise. Secondly, kids are not being "built up" as "sex toys". And your little rant about pedophiles teaching is a ridiculously little slipperly slope falacy.

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#110 fedora80
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Well, I highly doubt a 1st grader will actually ask for a condom...

What's the big deal Condoms should be readily available. They were at my high school and at every high school in Vancouver. I just go and ask the nurse, presto, Condoms. Reliable and safe and most importantly, discrete

Toriko42

Yes, at your high school, not your elemtary school. See the difference?

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[QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"]im shocked people are in support of this honestly its appalling. never mind the fact rampant sex in schools is already a problem lets just encourage it even more thats how we get teenage pregancies cause news flash condoms do not 100% work. secondly kids dont need to be built up as sex toys....geez whats next pedophiles allowed to teach to 1st graders? i mean your already providing the condoms why not some lube and actual pedophiles might as well complete the bill. total BS and as usual liberals dont care and conservatives are evil for not wanting 1st graders to get condoms.

"Condoms do not 100% work." Does this include cases where the failure was due to negligence?
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#112 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="Toriko42"]

Well, I highly doubt a 1st grader will actually ask for a condom...

What's the big deal Condoms should be readily available. They were at my high school and at every high school in Vancouver. I just go and ask the nurse, presto, Condoms. Reliable and safe and most importantly, discrete

fedora80

Yes, at your high school, not your elemtary school. See the difference?

To the best of my knowledge, 6 year olds don't have sex anyway...

Besides, it looks like they're changing their policy, so it's going to be ok.

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In the Scandinavian countries, where the age of consent is 15, schools hand out condoms, and sexual education starts early, they ahve like three times less teen pregnancies than they do in the U.S.(idk the actual numbers.) If people are having safe sex, well, the sex is just that. Safe. But first graders??? eeewwww, I don't even want to think about first graders having sex.

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#114 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="Toriko42"]

Well, I highly doubt a 1st grader will actually ask for a condom...

What's the big deal Condoms should be readily available. They were at my high school and at every high school in Vancouver. I just go and ask the nurse, presto, Condoms. Reliable and safe and most importantly, discrete

fedora80

Yes, at your high school, not your elemtary school. See the difference?

I see the difference but not the problem.

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[QUOTE="Toriko42"]

Well, I highly doubt a 1st grader will actually ask for a condom...

What's the big deal Condoms should be readily available. They were at my high school and at every high school in Vancouver. I just go and ask the nurse, presto, Condoms. Reliable and safe and most importantly, discrete

fedora80

Yes, at your high school, not your elemtary school. See the difference?

Yes. Nobody in elementary school would ask for condoms, or even know what they are.

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What the ****ing hell? 1st Graders... access to condoms? What the...?
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#117 deepdreamer256
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[QUOTE="fedora80"]

[QUOTE="Toriko42"]

Well, I highly doubt a 1st grader will actually ask for a condom...

What's the big deal Condoms should be readily available. They were at my high school and at every high school in Vancouver. I just go and ask the nurse, presto, Condoms. Reliable and safe and most importantly, discrete

taj7575

Yes, at your high school, not your elemtary school. See the difference?

Yes. Nobody in elementary school would ask for condoms, or even know what they are.

Surely you mean not knowing their function?
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the policy was that no student would be turned away. it was just written poorly because it meant technically they would give a 2nd grader a condom if they asked for it.. but in all reality that's not going to happen and its not like a 2nd grader is going to be getting busy.. file this under knee-jerk outrage.comp_atkins
This.
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[QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"]im shocked people are in support of this honestly its appalling. never mind the fact rampant sex in schools is already a problem lets just encourage it even more thats how we get teenage pregancies cause news flash condoms do not 100% work. secondly kids dont need to be built up as sex toys....geez whats next pedophiles allowed to teach to 1st graders? i mean your already providing the condoms why not some lube and actual pedophiles might as well complete the bill. total BS and as usual liberals dont care and conservatives are evil for not wanting 1st graders to get condoms.Dark_Knight6

First of all, abstinence only education has been taught and sex is "rampant". Teenagers will have sex regardless of what anyone says or does. But offering them protection will significantly decrease the chances of pregnancy and disease transmission. Condoms don't always work, but offer signficantly more protection than otherwise. Secondly, kids are not being "built up" as "sex toys". And your little rant about pedophiles teaching is a ridiculously little slipperly slope falacy.

ok using that logic kids will most certainly hear about crack cocaine should we start suddenly passing out free needles and knives to cut and inject some crack and heorine? hey at least theyll be using clean material right? i mean we cant stop kids from trying it so why bother....ya fail harder please. and the sex toys HA what land do you live in....im quite sure anybody that looks at a magazine rack can see a ton of latest hottest teen magazines. sure they arent 8 year olds on there but ya know what i see a ton of 13 year olds or 12 year olds wearing some rather erotic stuff.
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[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"]im shocked people are in support of this honestly its appalling. never mind the fact rampant sex in schools is already a problem lets just encourage it even more thats how we get teenage pregancies cause news flash condoms do not 100% work. secondly kids dont need to be built up as sex toys....geez whats next pedophiles allowed to teach to 1st graders? i mean your already providing the condoms why not some lube and actual pedophiles might as well complete the bill. total BS and as usual liberals dont care and conservatives are evil for not wanting 1st graders to get condoms.kayoticdreamz

First of all, abstinence only education has been taught and sex is "rampant". Teenagers will have sex regardless of what anyone says or does. But offering them protection will significantly decrease the chances of pregnancy and disease transmission. Condoms don't always work, but offer signficantly more protection than otherwise. Secondly, kids are not being "built up" as "sex toys". And your little rant about pedophiles teaching is a ridiculously little slipperly slope falacy.

ok using that logic kids will most certainly hear about crack cocaine should we start suddenly passing out free needles and knives to cut and inject some crack and heorine? hey at least theyll be using clean material right? i mean we cant stop kids from trying it so why bother....ya fail harder please. and the sex toys HA what land do you live in....im quite sure anybody that looks at a magazine rack can see a ton of latest hottest teen magazines. sure they arent 8 year olds on there but ya know what i see a ton of 13 year olds or 12 year olds wearing some rather erotic stuff.

The only person I see failing in this thread is you with your illogical analogies.. Your comparing a natural part of life in which it drives all human beings, with a illegal, addictive, and destructive narcatoic..

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[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"]im shocked people are in support of this honestly its appalling. never mind the fact rampant sex in schools is already a problem lets just encourage it even more thats how we get teenage pregancies cause news flash condoms do not 100% work. secondly kids dont need to be built up as sex toys....geez whats next pedophiles allowed to teach to 1st graders? i mean your already providing the condoms why not some lube and actual pedophiles might as well complete the bill. total BS and as usual liberals dont care and conservatives are evil for not wanting 1st graders to get condoms.kayoticdreamz

First of all, abstinence only education has been taught and sex is "rampant". Teenagers will have sex regardless of what anyone says or does. But offering them protection will significantly decrease the chances of pregnancy and disease transmission. Condoms don't always work, but offer signficantly more protection than otherwise. Secondly, kids are not being "built up" as "sex toys". And your little rant about pedophiles teaching is a ridiculously little slipperly slope falacy.

ok using that logic kids will most certainly hear about crack cocaine should we start suddenly passing out free needles and knives to cut and inject some crack and heorine? hey at least theyll be using clean material right? i mean we cant stop kids from trying it so why bother....ya fail harder please. and the sex toys HA what land do you live in....im quite sure anybody that looks at a magazine rack can see a ton of latest hottest teen magazines. sure they arent 8 year olds on there but ya know what i see a ton of 13 year olds or 12 year olds wearing some rather erotic stuff.

AND THE FLAW IN THE ANALOGY IS . . . Sex with condoms is not harmful whereas injecting crack cocaine using clean needles is inherently extremely dangerous.
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[QUOTE="kayoticdreamz"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

First of all, abstinence only education has been taught and sex is "rampant". Teenagers will have sex regardless of what anyone says or does. But offering them protection will significantly decrease the chances of pregnancy and disease transmission. Condoms don't always work, but offer signficantly more protection than otherwise. Secondly, kids are not being "built up" as "sex toys". And your little rant about pedophiles teaching is a ridiculously little slipperly slope falacy.

sSubZerOo

ok using that logic kids will most certainly hear about crack cocaine should we start suddenly passing out free needles and knives to cut and inject some crack and heorine? hey at least theyll be using clean material right? i mean we cant stop kids from trying it so why bother....ya fail harder please. and the sex toys HA what land do you live in....im quite sure anybody that looks at a magazine rack can see a ton of latest hottest teen magazines. sure they arent 8 year olds on there but ya know what i see a ton of 13 year olds or 12 year olds wearing some rather erotic stuff.

The only person I see failing in this thread is you with your illogical analogies.. Your comparing a natural part of life in which it drives all human beings, with a illegal, addictive, and destructive narcatoic..

No, he's comparing a device that makes a perfectly natural activity that could have negative repercussions far safer to an illegal, addicative, and destructive narcotic, far more illogical.

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[QUOTE="Toriko42"]

It's not the parents business...

LJS9502_basic

What? Anything involving their child IS the parents business. :|

If you're a 17 year old getting some condoms for having sex with your girlfriend, the parents don't need to know... And even if you don't get them from the school, just do what I do and go to the youth clinic and get them anonymously. Anonymity is a must for condom distribution for teens
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ok using that logic kids will most certainly hear about crack cocaine should we start suddenly passing out free needles and knives to cut and inject some crack and heorine? hey at least theyll be using clean material right? i mean we cant stop kids from trying it so why bother....ya fail harder please. and the sex toys HA what land do you live in....im quite sure anybody that looks at a magazine rack can see a ton of latest hottest teen magazines. sure they arent 8 year olds on there but ya know what i see a ton of 13 year olds or 12 year olds wearing some rather erotic stuff.kayoticdreamz

There goes that slippery slope fallacy again. :roll: Sex and drug use are two massively different things. There's nothing wrong with sex, it has virtually no negative side-effects when protection is involved. Cocaine use, on the other hand, will eventually kill you. And sexualizing teens and "turning second grader into sex toys for pedophiles" are, again, two different things. Your entire argument has been riddled with flaws from the get-go.

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#125 Stesilaus
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eeewwww, I don't even want to think about first graders having sex.

Nintendevil

That would be a thought crime. The mental images could be construed as child pornography in your possession! :o

And if you happen to be telepathic, you could be charged with distribution too ... :P

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="hoola"]

If the person is mature enough to know how to reproduce, then they are mature enough to buy condoms. The school shouldn't provide protection to OPTIONAL out of school activities. Rather than teaching kids that it is bad and not a responsible thing to have sex, they tell them that it is okay as long as they wear a condom. It is not. Sex is not something that should just be tossed around as a personal pleasurable activity, it is something that can create human life and it should be viewed much more seriously than most people currently view it.

If the person does not want to have a kid, then they should not be having sex. Using condoms is like getting in your car to go somewhere, but having an automatic stopper that prevents you from ever getting to where you are meant to be going. Sex has a purpose and that purpose is not pleasure which a majority of people think it is.

taj7575

The ignorance in this post is staggering.. No where do they ever say that the condom is full proof infact the main goal is to prevent sex at young ages with the education to the risks involved... What your car analogy would be more like is that your in your car and putting your seat belt makes you perfectly safe to going high speeds.. No it doesn't, it can save your life but driving reckless or going extreme high speeds doesn't garentee you to be safe even with a seat belt.. A condom is the exact same way.. That if you are willing to go on regardless of the risks, that you should at least practice safe sex to reduce any risk of transfer of STD's or unwanted pregnancies.. Seriously people, the human race isn't some how more sexually active with the introduction of the condom..

I agree. holla, first of all, that car analogy made no sence at all. And you are right about the seat belt thing. Thats what it is. A risk that you take in the safest manner possible.

And like I said before, there was no "good ol' days" back when there were no teen pregnancies and things like that occuring. It was actually more rampant back then.

You both completely missed the point of the analogy. The point was that there is a natural purpose to sex, and that is to reproduce (just as the purpose of a car is to get somewhere). There is one final result to both: children for sex and getting to a destination for a car. It is not for pleasure or to demonstrate love.

The illogical part is that you are scared of what will happen if someone gets pregnant, yet you still take part in that same activity that may result in the same consequences, but you wear a condom instead knowing that it might not work. You are willing to take the risk when you can avoid it altogether. Condoms are meant to prevent pregnancies, and if someone truly wanted to prevent a pregnancy then they will simply not have sex.

To the bold: They say it reduces the chances of a pregnancy, and it does reduce the chances, bit it should not be given as a "safer" alternative because when the risks are so high there is no "safe" alternative. Rather than being taught that condoms prevent pregnancies and STDs X% of the time then hand out condoms, it should be taught that abstinence prevents pregnancies and STDs 100% and condoms prevent it X% of the time, and leave the teens to decide if they want to take on those risks and responsibilities. It isn't the responsibility of the school, it isn't the responsibility of the state, or the taxpayers, it is the responsibility of the individual to take action and make decisions on what they want and that is why the schools should not hand them out.

If you are smart and you don't want to get someone pregnant, then don't have sex. It is about as simple as that. Anyone stupid enough to have sex while still not wanting to have children can find a way to do it without the schools getting involved.

I'm not arguing against the practical use of a condom, i am arguing against the IDEA of the use of a condom.

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am I the only one who thought of south park after reading that

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[QUOTE="taj7575"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

The ignorance in this post is staggering.. No where do they ever say that the condom is full proof infact the main goal is to prevent sex at young ages with the education to the risks involved... What your car analogy would be more like is that your in your car and putting your seat belt makes you perfectly safe to going high speeds.. No it doesn't, it can save your life but driving reckless or going extreme high speeds doesn't garentee you to be safe even with a seat belt.. A condom is the exact same way.. That if you are willing to go on regardless of the risks, that you should at least practice safe sex to reduce any risk of transfer of STD's or unwanted pregnancies.. Seriously people, the human race isn't some how more sexually active with the introduction of the condom..

hoola

I agree. holla, first of all, that car analogy made no sence at all. And you are right about the seat belt thing. Thats what it is. A risk that you take in the safest manner possible.

And like I said before, there was no "good ol' days" back when there were no teen pregnancies and things like that occuring. It was actually more rampant back then.

You both completely missed the point of the analogy. The point was that there is a natural purpose to sex, and that is to reproduce (just as the purpose of a car is to get somewhere). There is one final result to both: children for sex and getting to a destination for a car. It is not for pleasure or to demonstrate love.

The illogical part is that you are scared of what will happen if someone gets pregnant, yet you still take part in that same activity that may result in the same consequences, but you wear a condom instead knowing that it might not work. You are willing to take the risk when you can avoid it altogether. Condoms are meant to prevent pregnancies, and if someone truly wanted to prevent a pregnancy then they will simply not have sex.

To the bold: They say it reduces the chances of a pregnancy, and it does reduce the chances, bit it should not be given as a "safer" alternative because when the risks are so high there is no "safe" alternative. Rather than being taught that condoms prevent pregnancies and STDs X% of the time then hand out condoms, it should be taught that abstinence prevents pregnancies and STDs 100% and condoms prevent it X% of the time, and leave the teens to decide if they want to take on those risks and responsibilities. It isn't the responsibility of the school, it isn't the responsibility of the state, or the taxpayers, it is the responsibility of the individual to take action and make decisions on what they want and that is why the schools should not hand them out.

If you are smart and you don't want to get someone pregnant, then don't have sex. It is about as simple as that. Anyone stupid enough to have sex while still not wanting to have children can find a way to do it without the schools getting involved.

I'm not arguing against the practical use of a condom, i am arguing against the IDEA of the use of a condom.

i agree sex is not supposed to be were like dogs and go bang everyone we see. sex should be preserved its purpose is really only to have kids THATS IT it does nothing else. everything else is made up in our brains sexual fantasies sex is for kids which should be for couples not every relationship you have. this is the point i was bringing up with crack cocaine....telling kids its ok to have sex constantly to avoid having kids by just slapping a condom on is wrong makes no sense and creates problems. there are tones of problems with encouraging mass sex. LOTS TONS. lets just take a gander at the porn industry....sorry folks its not glamourous its not awesome and its certainly responsible for more pain than pleasure. and i agree if your a minor and you have condoms the parents should have a right to know your sleeping around cause i know its shocking but if a baby occurs from those failsafe condoms we know and love chances are mommy and daddy are picking up the tab or the government. or hell lets just have an abortion that solves the problem doesnt it. bottom line encouraging condom use is ridiculous why not encourage holding off on sex till your ready for a potential child? honestly here if your having sex you should prepare for a baby we have got to be the only species on this planet that has sex without the intent of having kids and further more kills the kids before they are born....honestly im not sure how we got to 6 billion people doing this. its just as irresponsible to have sex without intending for a child as it is to pick up a crack pipe both lead to serious problems. so my analogy is far from flawed folks. you do the deed prepare to pay the price. doing crack has bad things attached to it having sex without the intent of having a kid or being prepared to have a kids should it occur is just reckless you might as well be drunk driving. point im on workers comp right now i make peanuts really basing that off 8 an hour. if i have sex constantly and somehow a kid arrives from it....is it not reckless for me to do that when im making 2/3 of 8 an hour on 40 hours a week or in other words about 200 bucks a week? sorry folks that is plain crazy to have a kid on that so....what would be the responsible thing to do? avoid sex till maybe im making a little more. and lets go all out say the GF isnt working or making 200 a week also....two options be smart and avoid sex till were ready or play with fire.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

The ignorance in this post is staggering.. No where do they ever say that the condom is full proof infact the main goal is to prevent sex at young ages with the education to the risks involved... What your car analogy would be more like is that your in your car and putting your seat belt makes you perfectly safe to going high speeds.. No it doesn't, it can save your life but driving reckless or going extreme high speeds doesn't garentee you to be safe even with a seat belt.. A condom is the exact same way.. That if you are willing to go on regardless of the risks, that you should at least practice safe sex to reduce any risk of transfer of STD's or unwanted pregnancies.. Seriously people, the human race isn't some how more sexually active with the introduction of the condom..

hoola

I agree. holla, first of all, that car analogy made no sence at all. And you are right about the seat belt thing. Thats what it is. A risk that you take in the safest manner possible.

And like I said before, there was no "good ol' days" back when there were no teen pregnancies and things like that occuring. It was actually more rampant back then.

You both completely missed the point of the analogy. The point was that there is a natural purpose to sex, and that is to reproduce (just as the purpose of a car is to get somewhere). There is one final result to both: children for sex and getting to a destination for a car. It is not for pleasure or to demonstrate love.

Your going to have to prove that, because many would disagree with that, that sex is much more then just procreation..

The illogical part is that you are scared of what will happen if someone gets pregnant,

And I am scared of dashing my head on the sidewalk when I ride a bike, I still ride my bike.

yet you still take part in that same activity that may result

As I said earlier this can pretty much be pointed at any activity out there..

in the same consequences, but you wear a condom instead knowing that it might not work. You are willing to take the risk when you can avoid it altogether. Condoms are meant to prevent pregnancies, and if someone truly wanted to prevent a pregnancy then they will simply not have sex.

.. Thats not true what so ever.. People do activities all the time with littel to no protection full well awareof the risks and they still do it.. And tehse activities don't have raging hormones behind it.

To the bold: They say it reduces the chances of a pregnancy, and it does reduce the chances, bit it should not be given as a "safer"

... Of course it is.. A bicycle helmet makes it safer to ride a bike.. It doesn't destroy any kind of risk though..

alternative because when the risks are so high there is no "safe" alternative.

That is a matter of opinion on what the risks are..

Rather than being taught that condoms prevent pregnancies and STDs X% of the time then hand out condoms, it should be taught that abstinence prevents pregnancies and STDs 100% and condoms prevent it X% of the time,

WOW NO KIDDING GUYS?... You will never be hurt driving a car if you don't drive! Man I am glad you were able to point that out.. If people can't make this connection then they failed basic rationale thought years ago and it won't matter what you teach them.

and leave the teens to decide if they want to take on those risks and responsibilities.

... Why, thats what becoming an adult is all about..

It isn't the responsibility of the school,

.. It most certainly is if they are teaching you to function in society.. And the school can provide a much more indepth unbias education then their parents...

it isn't the responsibility of the state, or the taxpayers, it is the responsibility of the individual to take action and make decisions on what they want and that is why the schools should not hand them out.

They only hand out if they are asked.. The school is doing a public service here..

If you are smart and you don't want to get someone pregnant, then don't have sex.

Guess what people don'tsee it that way, and its condecending to even consider thats what divide the smart from the stupid..

It is about as simple as that.

And it will go unheeded and won't solve the problem what so ever.. Your views lack any real logic based on reality.

Anyone stupid enough to have sex while still not wanting to have children can find a way to do it without the schools getting involved.

.... Apparently not because they are stupid as you stereotyped them.

I'm not arguing against the practical use of a condom, i am arguing against the IDEA of the use of a condom.

What that people will have sex? Hormones are a powerful thing, if people are going to go through it.. Its the responsible thing that they know everything that there is to know to do it as safely and responsbily as possible.. Your entire view is pretty much ignoring reality.

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Abstinence only education has already been taught. It is ridiculously clear that it simply does not work. You could tell them to not have sex, and have them do it anyway without protection. Or you can offer them condoms, which significantly decrease risks.

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Abstinence only education has already been taught. It is ridiculously clear that it simply does not work. You could tell them to not have sex, and have them do it anyway without protection. Or you can offer them condoms, which significantly decrease risks.

Dark_Knight6

Exactly. In High School, almost every year we had some random group come in and talk about it..Same with middle school. But that won't stop people right?

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[QUOTE="hoola"]

[QUOTE="taj7575"]

I agree. holla, first of all, that car analogy made no sence at all. And you are right about the seat belt thing. Thats what it is. A risk that you take in the safest manner possible.

And like I said before, there was no "good ol' days" back when there were no teen pregnancies and things like that occuring. It was actually more rampant back then.

kayoticdreamz

You both completely missed the point of the analogy. The point was that there is a natural purpose to sex, and that is to reproduce (just as the purpose of a car is to get somewhere). There is one final result to both: children for sex and getting to a destination for a car. It is not for pleasure or to demonstrate love.

The illogical part is that you are scared of what will happen if someone gets pregnant, yet you still take part in that same activity that may result in the same consequences, but you wear a condom instead knowing that it might not work. You are willing to take the risk when you can avoid it altogether. Condoms are meant to prevent pregnancies, and if someone truly wanted to prevent a pregnancy then they will simply not have sex.

To the bold: They say it reduces the chances of a pregnancy, and it does reduce the chances, bit it should not be given as a "safer" alternative because when the risks are so high there is no "safe" alternative. Rather than being taught that condoms prevent pregnancies and STDs X% of the time then hand out condoms, it should be taught that abstinence prevents pregnancies and STDs 100% and condoms prevent it X% of the time, and leave the teens to decide if they want to take on those risks and responsibilities. It isn't the responsibility of the school, it isn't the responsibility of the state, or the taxpayers, it is the responsibility of the individual to take action and make decisions on what they want and that is why the schools should not hand them out.

If you are smart and you don't want to get someone pregnant, then don't have sex. It is about as simple as that. Anyone stupid enough to have sex while still not wanting to have children can find a way to do it without the schools getting involved.

I'm not arguing against the practical use of a condom, i am arguing against the IDEA of the use of a condom.

i agree sex is not supposed to be were like dogs and go bang everyone we see. sex should be preserved its purpose is really only to have kids THATS IT it does nothing else. everything else is made up in our brains sexual fantasies sex is for kids which should be for couples not every relationship you have. this is the point i was bringing up with crack cocaine....telling kids its ok to have sex constantly to avoid having kids by just slapping a condom on is wrong makes no sense and creates problems. there are tones of problems with encouraging mass sex. LOTS TONS. lets just take a gander at the porn industry....sorry folks its not glamourous its not awesome and its certainly responsible for more pain than pleasure. and i agree if your a minor and you have condoms the parents should have a right to know your sleeping around cause i know its shocking but if a baby occurs from those failsafe condoms we know and love chances are mommy and daddy are picking up the tab or the government. or hell lets just have an abortion that solves the problem doesnt it. bottom line encouraging condom use is ridiculous why not encourage holding off on sex till your ready for a potential child? honestly here if your having sex you should prepare for a baby we have got to be the only species on this planet that has sex without the intent of having kids and further more kills the kids before they are born....honestly im not sure how we got to 6 billion people doing this. its just as irresponsible to have sex without intending for a child as it is to pick up a crack pipe both lead to serious problems. so my analogy is far from flawed folks. you do the deed prepare to pay the price. doing crack has bad things attached to it having sex without the intent of having a kid or being prepared to have a kids should it occur is just reckless you might as well be drunk driving. point im on workers comp right now i make peanuts really basing that off 8 an hour. if i have sex constantly and somehow a kid arrives from it....is it not reckless for me to do that when im making 2/3 of 8 an hour on 40 hours a week or in other words about 200 bucks a week? sorry folks that is plain crazy to have a kid on that so....what would be the responsible thing to do? avoid sex till maybe im making a little more. and lets go all out say the GF isnt working or making 200 a week also....two options be smart and avoid sex till were ready or play with fire.

.. Thispostis completely hilarious so what I got from this is that having sex is like drunk driving, smoking crack, and snorting cocaine all into one.. Furthermore I have no clue what your talking about with the reckless attitude.. Safe sex education as well as teaching safe sex practices in no way promotes wreckless behavior, it infact goes into detail about not doing it.. And I hate to break it to you guys but if a product says that it may have a chance of blowing up in my face causing instant combustion, I automatically ASSUME that the safest course is not to use it.. Same goes for sex.. People educated in sexual activity as well as safe sex practices, are full well aware of the risks taken and they still go through with it.. It is more realistic to make sure that if these people go through with it they have the proper precautions to reduce the risk as much as possible.. When people properly educateed in such things have sex they are full well aware that a child could come from it..

Furthermore your position on what you think sex as being only for procreation is not set in stone nor is it a objective subject.. Its a subjective one that many disagree with you.. And your ignorance is astounding, dolphins have been recorded to have sexual activity for liesure activity.. And comparing humans to animals now? I guess it hasn't crossed your mind that many spieces EAT their young? But YEAH Human beings are way worse:|

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[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

Abstinence only education has already been taught. It is ridiculously clear that it simply does not work. You could tell them to not have sex, and have them do it anyway without protection. Or you can offer them condoms, which significantly decrease risks.

taj7575

Exactly. In High School, almost every year we had some random group come in and talk about it..Same with middle school. But that won't stop people right?

Not to mention thats what SEXUAL EDUCATION IS ALL ABOUT to begin with for young people.. The majority of the freaking course teaches the risks..

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[QUOTE="taj7575"]

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

Abstinence only education has already been taught. It is ridiculously clear that it simply does not work. You could tell them to not have sex, and have them do it anyway without protection. Or you can offer them condoms, which significantly decrease risks.

sSubZerOo

Exactly. In High School, almost every year we had some random group come in and talk about it..Same with middle school. But that won't stop people right?

Not to mention thats what SEXUAL EDUCATION IS ALL ABOUT to begin with for young people.. The majority of the freaking course teaches the risks..

And none of those courses encourage it either. They teach you all the risks and the background of it so you can be safe. I don't see a problem in that.

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Wait, if first-graders get condoms, then... what?

Does being in possession of a condom make you go out and have wild sex or something?

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

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Exactly. In High School, almost every year we had some random group come in and talk about it..Same with middle school. But that won't stop people right?

taj7575

Not to mention thats what SEXUAL EDUCATION IS ALL ABOUT to begin with for young people.. The majority of the freaking course teaches the risks..

And none of those courses encourage it either. They teach you all the risks and the background of it so you can be safe. I don't see a problem in that.

Yeah man I completely wanted to have sex after I learned that I could get a disease that felt like I was peeing boiling water when I went to the bathroom.. Sounds SWEET!

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Wait, if first-graders get condoms, then... what?

Does being in possession of a condom make you go out and have wild sex or something?

GabuEx

I didn't know what a condom WAS in first grade. Much less what to do with it.

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First grade is pretty dumb, but I agree with it being available to all kids of any age. I know a few people who lost their virginities at 11 years old... so it happens. Better protected than not, I guess. A first grade kid isn't going to know what a condom is or ask for one, so there's really nothing wrong with it.
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Two years isn't a trend when there are over 50 years of data. Yes, it is bad that 11 year olds and 14 year olds become parents, but you haven't provided any evidence to support that that age group has had an increase in birth rates. The article you link says that pregnancies for 10-14 year old girls has not increased, but every other age group (up through 40s) has increased.

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Okay...Where did I say it was a Trend? I was showing that it's starting to increase again. The overall Rate is increasing, not just for that age bracket.

You are saying its STARTING to increase, which implies it will continue, which means you are saying there is a trend. I don't think its starting to do anything because that's an impossible claim to make based on two years of data. As for the 10-14 year olds, the article says it is DECREASING, which I only brought to your attention because you seem worried about 10-14 year old parents.

What? The article says Teen Pregnancy is on the Rise as a whole. I thought arguing Semantics was a Big No No?
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[QUOTE="taj7575"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Not to mention thats what SEXUAL EDUCATION IS ALL ABOUT to begin with for young people.. The majority of the freaking course teaches the risks..

sSubZerOo

And none of those courses encourage it either. They teach you all the risks and the background of it so you can be safe. I don't see a problem in that.

Yeah man I completely wanted to have sex after I learned that I could get a disease that felt like I was peeing boiling water when I went to the bathroom.. Sounds SWEET!

:lol: Exactly. Nothing they teach you is fun, but they teach you the risks and the truth.

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[QUOTE="wstfld"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Okay...Where did I say it was a Trend? I was showing that it's starting to increase again. The overall Rate is increasing, not just for that age bracket.Snipes_2
You are saying its STARTING to increase, which implies it will continue, which means you are saying there is a trend. I don't think its starting to do anything because that's an impossible claim to make based on two years of data. As for the 10-14 year olds, the article says it is DECREASING, which I only brought to your attention because you seem worried about 10-14 year old parents.

What? The article says Teen Pregnancy is on the Rise as a whole. I thought arguing Semantics was a Big No No?

He's not arguing about semantics, he's arguing about statistics. It's a good idea to have some distinction between the two.