The truth is that we haven't stopped much. Scotland Yard is the s*** at thwarting terrrorists; we don't really have to. You can argue that they simply haven't announced the discovery of such plots for security reasons, but the truth is our government wants to sound like it's getting something down, and there's no way that they've been more successful than they've announced themselves (the US government, that is). I think that Iraq was a piss-poor idea from the start, I think that any foreign policy in terms of dealing with terrorism remotely resembling Israel's is just going to antagonize EVERYONE and increase the violence even more. One thing I think should've at least gotten attention was the Sudanese government's harboring of Al Queda. I mean, they literally had government contracts there, and two birds with one stone could've been saved had we intervened. HOWEVER: US foreign policy traditionally has been this odd mix of intervention for nonintervention, and back then, it seemed that these were isolated incidents, not concerning the US, and that we should not stir up the hive. 9/11 couldn't happen again simply because such huge schemes could never work. But any terrorist with a brain could raise hell in the US. They just aren't trying. It's outrageously easy to create explosives, almost as easy to get metal knives onto air planes (just make sure the handle itself isn't metal and they probability can't detect it). Security at baseball games is minimal (probably the BEST target for terrorism in America). Etc, etc. But they aren't trying and they were, there is little we could do except increase security and try to not make them appear more righteous. Force has yielded us NOTHING in Iraq.What are we to do? We send a message. I am 100% confident that 9/11 will NOT repeat, due to our reaction. I am also 100% confident that 9/11 would have never happened if we would have done SOMETHING about USS Cole. Killing all of them is impossible, everyone realizes this. However, many of the ones that have been apprehended or killed had plans for us, and those plans were thwarted thanks to our forces. We have saved thousands, if not millions of innocent lives thanks to our intel and Special Investigations agencies. What are you proposing? We just sit back, admit there's "nothing we can do" and just let them have their way with us?
RiSkyBiZ-13
Liberals and their imaginary peace
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[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"]The truth is that we haven't stopped much. Scotland Yard is the s*** at thwarting terrrorists; we don't really have to. You can argue that they simply haven't announced the discovery of such plots for security reasons, but the truth is our government wants to sound like it's getting something down, and there's no way that they've been more successful than they've announced themselves (the US government, that is). I think that Iraq was a piss-poor idea from the start, I think that any foreign policy in terms of dealing with terrorism remotely resembling Israel's is just going to antagonize EVERYONE and increase the violence even more. One thing I think should've at least gotten attention was the Sudanese government's harboring of Al Queda. I mean, they literally had government contracts there, and two birds with one stone could've been saved had we intervened. HOWEVER: US foreign policy traditionally has been this odd mix of intervention for nonintervention, and back then, it seemed that these were isolated incidents, not concerning the US, and that we should not stir up the hive. 9/11 couldn't happen again simply because such huge schemes could never work. But any terrorist with a brain could raise hell in the US. They just aren't trying. It's outrageously easy to create explosives, almost as easy to get metal knives onto air planes (just make sure the handle itself isn't metal and they probability can't detect it). Security at baseball games is minimal (probably the BEST target for terrorism in America). Etc, etc. But they aren't trying and they were, there is little we could do except increase security and try to not make them appear more righteous. Force has yielded us NOTHING in Iraq.What are we to do? We send a message. I am 100% confident that 9/11 will NOT repeat, due to our reaction. I am also 100% confident that 9/11 would have never happened if we would have done SOMETHING about USS Cole. Killing all of them is impossible, everyone realizes this. However, many of the ones that have been apprehended or killed had plans for us, and those plans were thwarted thanks to our forces. We have saved thousands, if not millions of innocent lives thanks to our intel and Special Investigations agencies. What are you proposing? We just sit back, admit there's "nothing we can do" and just let them have their way with us?
quiglythegreat
They don't have the means? Not very long ago, the FBI stopped a terrorist group operating the Poccoanoes in PA. They had plans to go to Fort Dix, and kill as many people as they possibly could. They were stopped. There are stories like this all the time, but the media doesn't usually bother unless the terrorist act has actually succeeded. I think they do have the means, I think many of them have been scared off, afraid of what the US would do if another 9/11 scale attack was commited. That's just my theory, of course.
[QUOTE="jointed"]That's possibly the most idiotic statement made in this thread. What "innocent lives" are you talking about? The +60,000 dead Iraqis?
and you can't compare the current situationto WW2....at all.
RiSkyBiZ-13
Again, I'll say it's a shame to have some people live in the same country as me. 60,000 innocent Iraqis dead? My oh my, where did you come by this obviously reputable information? I forgot we dropped a nuke over there. The innocent people I was referring to was 9/11, in case you forgot during your sympathy for these poor innocent terrorists that we're killing every day. If you don't relate Iraq to 9/11, fine, then what about the thousands upon thousands of Kurds Sadaam gassed? It was textbook genocide. I have friends in Iraq right now, getting shot at and mortared, so they shoot back. Are those the innocent Iraqi's you speak of?
You can't be frekkin serious. Are you trying to make the already hopeless yank conservatives look even worse?Your ignorance is astonishing.
The +60,000 dead Iraqis were NOT insurgents, they were civilians.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"]The truth is that we haven't stopped much. Scotland Yard is the s*** at thwarting terrrorists; we don't really have to. You can argue that they simply haven't announced the discovery of such plots for security reasons, but the truth is our government wants to sound like it's getting something down, and there's no way that they've been more successful than they've announced themselves (the US government, that is). I think that Iraq was a piss-poor idea from the start, I think that any foreign policy in terms of dealing with terrorism remotely resembling Israel's is just going to antagonize EVERYONE and increase the violence even more. One thing I think should've at least gotten attention was the Sudanese government's harboring of Al Queda. I mean, they literally had government contracts there, and two birds with one stone could've been saved had we intervened. HOWEVER: US foreign policy traditionally has been this odd mix of intervention for nonintervention, and back then, it seemed that these were isolated incidents, not concerning the US, and that we should not stir up the hive. 9/11 couldn't happen again simply because such huge schemes could never work. But any terrorist with a brain could raise hell in the US. They just aren't trying. It's outrageously easy to create explosives, almost as easy to get metal knives onto air planes (just make sure the handle itself isn't metal and they probability can't detect it). Security at baseball games is minimal (probably the BEST target for terrorism in America). Etc, etc. But they aren't trying and they were, there is little we could do except increase security and try to not make them appear more righteous. Force has yielded us NOTHING in Iraq.What are we to do? We send a message. I am 100% confident that 9/11 will NOT repeat, due to our reaction. I am also 100% confident that 9/11 would have never happened if we would have done SOMETHING about USS Cole. Killing all of them is impossible, everyone realizes this. However, many of the ones that have been apprehended or killed had plans for us, and those plans were thwarted thanks to our forces. We have saved thousands, if not millions of innocent lives thanks to our intel and Special Investigations agencies. What are you proposing? We just sit back, admit there's "nothing we can do" and just let them have their way with us?
RiSkyBiZ-13
They don't have the means? Not very long ago, the FBI stopped a terrorist group operating the Poccoanoes in PA. They had plans to go to Fort Dix, and kill as many people as they possibly could. They were stopped. There are stories like this all the time, but the media doesn't usually bother unless the terrorist act has actually succeeded. I think they do have the means, I think many of them have been scared off, afraid of what the US would do if another 9/11 scale attack was commited. That's just my theory, of course.
The dominant theory is that the terrorists are making 'yo mamma' jokes to get us to break their nose so we all look like jerks and then their acquintances beat the hell out of us. That is the general strategy: to provoke us, so that we may incite the whole Muslim world against ourselves. That is the one story that I know of of the US aprehending terrorists except for the shoe bomber, there may be others, but they have been feeble attempts and the UK does a far, far better job at thwarting terrorists than we do. And what we need to do is THWART the terrorists, not try to throttle them in the cradle, because no one likes a baby-killer. That was a joke, but my point stands that 'pre-emptive strikes' are stupid as hell.
Sure, plenty of diplomatic solutions in WW2. Why go to war? You're not being rational, you're thinking in terms of a perfect world. I just wonder how many more innocent lives need to be lost until people in this country will FINALLY realize that this is NOT a perfect world. Terrorists don't want diplomatic solutions, they want to kill as many of us as they possibly can.RiSkyBiZ-13
That's the thing... if you are too impatient to actually listen to what they have to say then you won't find out if there is actually something they want. Maybe they are actually angry about something that we've done and want compensation for it? If you don't listen you can never find out. We are just as bad as they are. They are ignorant towards our perspective and us to theirs... the ultimate formula for self-destruction.
And lets see... if the League of Nations had actually enforced the Treaty of Versailles, there wouldn't have been a WWII because Hitler would not have gained enough military strength in order to launch his attack on Poland. It was OUR fault that Hitler was allowed to do what he did.
And of course we don't live in a perfect world but we as human beings have the ability to make it the most perfect world we can... and just throwing it away like we are is such a waste.
[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="jointed"]That's possibly the most idiotic statement made in this thread. What "innocent lives" are you talking about? The +60,000 dead Iraqis?
and you can't compare the current situationto WW2....at all.
jointed
Again, I'll say it's a shame to have some people live in the same country as me. 60,000 innocent Iraqis dead? My oh my, where did you come by this obviously reputable information? I forgot we dropped a nuke over there. The innocent people I was referring to was 9/11, in case you forgot during your sympathy for these poor innocent terrorists that we're killing every day. If you don't relate Iraq to 9/11, fine, then what about the thousands upon thousands of Kurds Sadaam gassed? It was textbook genocide. I have friends in Iraq right now, getting shot at and mortared, so they shoot back. Are those the innocent Iraqi's you speak of?
You can't be frekkin serious. Are you trying to make the already hopeless yank conservatives look even worse?Your ignorance is astonishing.
The +60,000 dead Iraqis were NOT insurgents, they were civilians.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
Ah, a liberal-made website is where you're getting this information from. Allow me to enlighten you- TERRORISTS ARE CIVILIANS!!! When a guy pulls an AK-47 and gets shot, guess what? He's still a civilian, not associated with any government's army. Kids these days...
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="jointed"]That's possibly the most idiotic statement made in this thread. What "innocent lives" are you talking about? The +60,000 dead Iraqis?
and you can't compare the current situationto WW2....at all.
RiSkyBiZ-13
Again, I'll say it's a shame to have some people live in the same country as me. 60,000 innocent Iraqis dead? My oh my, where did you come by this obviously reputable information? I forgot we dropped a nuke over there. The innocent people I was referring to was 9/11, in case you forgot during your sympathy for these poor innocent terrorists that we're killing every day. If you don't relate Iraq to 9/11, fine, then what about the thousands upon thousands of Kurds Sadaam gassed? It was textbook genocide. I have friends in Iraq right now, getting shot at and mortared, so they shoot back. Are those the innocent Iraqi's you speak of?
You can't be frekkin serious. Are you trying to make the already hopeless yank conservatives look even worse?Your ignorance is astonishing.
The +60,000 dead Iraqis were NOT insurgents, they were civilians.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
Ah, a liberal-made website is where you're getting this information from. Allow me to enlighten you- TERRORISTS ARE CIVILIANS!!! When a guy pulls an AK-47 and gets shot, guess what? He's still a civilian, not associated with any government's army. Kids these days...
Yes that's true because they are fighting the invaders of their country. The same way every American would do if we were invaded. The Civilians here would fight the enemy just as the Iraqis are doing. We had no business toppling their government and imposing our puppets on them.
No, they are legally enemy combatants, not civilians. That is the law, both of our army and of the international conventions. In any event, these terrorists have targeted Iraqi civilians far more often than they have US troops. The largest number of Iraqi causualties result from IRaqi terrorists. Had we killed 600,000 terrorists, well, that's more terrorists than there ever have been on the entire planet.Ah, a liberal-made website is where you're getting this information from. Allow me to enlighten you- TERRORISTS ARE CIVILIANS!!! When a guy pulls an AK-47 and gets shot, guess what? He's still a civilian, not associated with any government's army. Kids these days...
RiSkyBiZ-13
why did they attack us on 9/11 then. what they want is to subject the whole world to Sharia. I say screw al qaeda and to hell with jihad.[QUOTE="whipassmt"][QUOTE="jointed"]I fail to see why the terrorists would want to provoke you into bombing them if they actually get what they want...jointed
Becuase you had multiple bases in the middle east and you were supporting Israel? Plus you've been screwing things up down there for more than half a century.
Do you even know what jihad is?
I love how you are defending what the terrorists did. What did we do that screwed up the middile east, nothing they just want all infidels eliminated and make the world an extremist muslim one.Jihad,Islamic term, Arabic for 'battle; struggle; holy war for the religion'.
Jihad has two possible definitions: the greater, which is the spiritual struggle of each man, against vice, passion and ignorance. This understanding of jihad has been presented by apologetics of modern times, but is an understanding of the term rarely used by Muslima themselves.The lesser jihad is simplified to cover holy war against infidels and infidel countries, aiming at spreading Islam. This kind of jihad is described in both the koran and in the hadithsThe extremists prefer to use the bottom one.
[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"][QUOTE="jointed"]That's possibly the most idiotic statement made in this thread. What "innocent lives" are you talking about? The +60,000 dead Iraqis?
and you can't compare the current situationto WW2....at all.
jointed
Again, I'll say it's a shame to have some people live in the same country as me. 60,000 innocent Iraqis dead? My oh my, where did you come by this obviously reputable information? I forgot we dropped a nuke over there. The innocent people I was referring to was 9/11, in case you forgot during your sympathy for these poor innocent terrorists that we're killing every day. If you don't relate Iraq to 9/11, fine, then what about the thousands upon thousands of Kurds Sadaam gassed? It was textbook genocide. I have friends in Iraq right now, getting shot at and mortared, so they shoot back. Are those the innocent Iraqi's you speak of?
You can't be frekkin serious. Are you trying to make the already hopeless yank conservatives look even worse?Your ignorance is astonishing.
The +60,000 dead Iraqis were NOT insurgents, they were civilians.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
Ah, a liberal-made website is where you're getting this information from. Allow me to enlighten you- TERRORISTS ARE CIVILIANS!!! When a guy pulls an AK-47 and gets shot, guess what? He's still a civilian, not associated with any government's army. Kids these days...
Oh my, you're braindead...
If a man pulls an AK-47 and use it against the coalition forces, he becomes an insurgent not a civilian.
I don't care if the website is liberal or not...please post some links that proves it wrong.
The 60,000 dead comes from the insurgents killing the civilians, most of the insurgents come from neighboring countries and have no care for civilian lives or the stability of the country. Roadside bombs, VBIEDs, Suicide bombings. All contribute to the civilian deathcount. The civilian deaths due to coalition forces are low.[QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"]The truth is that we haven't stopped much. Scotland Yard is the s*** at thwarting terrrorists; we don't really have to. You can argue that they simply haven't announced the discovery of such plots for security reasons, but the truth is our government wants to sound like it's getting something down, and there's no way that they've been more successful than they've announced themselves (the US government, that is). I think that Iraq was a piss-poor idea from the start, I think that any foreign policy in terms of dealing with terrorism remotely resembling Israel's is just going to antagonize EVERYONE and increase the violence even more. One thing I think should've at least gotten attention was the Sudanese government's harboring of Al Queda. I mean, they literally had government contracts there, and two birds with one stone could've been saved had we intervened. HOWEVER: US foreign policy traditionally has been this odd mix of intervention for nonintervention, and back then, it seemed that these were isolated incidents, not concerning the US, and that we should not stir up the hive. 9/11 couldn't happen again simply because such huge schemes could never work. But any terrorist with a brain could raise hell in the US. They just aren't trying. It's outrageously easy to create explosives, almost as easy to get metal knives onto air planes (just make sure the handle itself isn't metal and they probability can't detect it). Security at baseball games is minimal (probably the BEST target for terrorism in America). Etc, etc. But they aren't trying and they were, there is little we could do except increase security and try to not make them appear more righteous. Force has yielded us NOTHING in Iraq.What are we to do? We send a message. I am 100% confident that 9/11 will NOT repeat, due to our reaction. I am also 100% confident that 9/11 would have never happened if we would have done SOMETHING about USS Cole. Killing all of them is impossible, everyone realizes this. However, many of the ones that have been apprehended or killed had plans for us, and those plans were thwarted thanks to our forces. We have saved thousands, if not millions of innocent lives thanks to our intel and Special Investigations agencies. What are you proposing? We just sit back, admit there's "nothing we can do" and just let them have their way with us?
quiglythegreat
19 major terrorist plots have been stopped in the US since 9/11. some of them would be more deadly than 9/11.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/HomelandDefense/bg2085.cfm
[QUOTE="ninjacat11"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]no matter what type of foreign policy we might have, we are always going to be hated, for one reason or another,it really doesn't matter on who's the prezbattlefront23
QFT one thing that puzzles me is why most liberals despise Christinas but love muslims. when was the last time Christians killed people? Indians? and also, ever since its inception the muslims have wanted war.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
more mocking... why am I not suprised...
To be perfectly honest, your post really was pretty stupid. Many liberals are Christians themselves, so it would be strange for them to hate themselves.
And radical Christians have killed for their beliefs for a while. Take Hitler for example. And the Ku Klux Klan.
[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="ninjacat11"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]no matter what type of foreign policy we might have, we are always going to be hated, for one reason or another,it really doesn't matter on who's the prezbattlefront23
QFT one thing that puzzles me is why most liberals despise Christinas but love muslims. when was the last time Christians killed people? Indians? and also, ever since its inception the muslims have wanted war.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
more mocking... why am I not suprised...
What you said was pretty stupid......
on what basis? I'm flamed by liberals every freaking day for my beliefs on moral issues, but murderous muslims should be talked to... So other way around bud...
Most Muslims are actually quite peaceful. It only seems like they're murderous because Faux Noise only covers the extremely radical ones.
[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"]The truth is that we haven't stopped much. Scotland Yard is the s*** at thwarting terrrorists; we don't really have to. You can argue that they simply haven't announced the discovery of such plots for security reasons, but the truth is our government wants to sound like it's getting something down, and there's no way that they've been more successful than they've announced themselves (the US government, that is). I think that Iraq was a piss-poor idea from the start, I think that any foreign policy in terms of dealing with terrorism remotely resembling Israel's is just going to antagonize EVERYONE and increase the violence even more. One thing I think should've at least gotten attention was the Sudanese government's harboring of Al Queda. I mean, they literally had government contracts there, and two birds with one stone could've been saved had we intervened. HOWEVER: US foreign policy traditionally has been this odd mix of intervention for nonintervention, and back then, it seemed that these were isolated incidents, not concerning the US, and that we should not stir up the hive. 9/11 couldn't happen again simply because such huge schemes could never work. But any terrorist with a brain could raise hell in the US. They just aren't trying. It's outrageously easy to create explosives, almost as easy to get metal knives onto air planes (just make sure the handle itself isn't metal and they probability can't detect it). Security at baseball games is minimal (probably the BEST target for terrorism in America). Etc, etc. But they aren't trying and they were, there is little we could do except increase security and try to not make them appear more righteous. Force has yielded us NOTHING in Iraq.What are we to do? We send a message. I am 100% confident that 9/11 will NOT repeat, due to our reaction. I am also 100% confident that 9/11 would have never happened if we would have done SOMETHING about USS Cole. Killing all of them is impossible, everyone realizes this. However, many of the ones that have been apprehended or killed had plans for us, and those plans were thwarted thanks to our forces. We have saved thousands, if not millions of innocent lives thanks to our intel and Special Investigations agencies. What are you proposing? We just sit back, admit there's "nothing we can do" and just let them have their way with us?
UrbanSpartan125
19 major terrorist plots have been stopped in the US since 9/11. some of them would be more deadly than 9/11.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/HomelandDefense/bg2085.cfm
Not all those examples were actually in the US, not all of them were actually stopped so much as they hung themselves up on a noose (THE SHOE BOMBER), and pretty much all of those are not 'major terrorist plots', just apprehending people who are terrorists.[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="RiSkyBiZ-13"]The truth is that we haven't stopped much. Scotland Yard is the s*** at thwarting terrrorists; we don't really have to. You can argue that they simply haven't announced the discovery of such plots for security reasons, but the truth is our government wants to sound like it's getting something down, and there's no way that they've been more successful than they've announced themselves (the US government, that is). I think that Iraq was a piss-poor idea from the start, I think that any foreign policy in terms of dealing with terrorism remotely resembling Israel's is just going to antagonize EVERYONE and increase the violence even more. One thing I think should've at least gotten attention was the Sudanese government's harboring of Al Queda. I mean, they literally had government contracts there, and two birds with one stone could've been saved had we intervened. HOWEVER: US foreign policy traditionally has been this odd mix of intervention for nonintervention, and back then, it seemed that these were isolated incidents, not concerning the US, and that we should not stir up the hive. 9/11 couldn't happen again simply because such huge schemes could never work. But any terrorist with a brain could raise hell in the US. They just aren't trying. It's outrageously easy to create explosives, almost as easy to get metal knives onto air planes (just make sure the handle itself isn't metal and they probability can't detect it). Security at baseball games is minimal (probably the BEST target for terrorism in America). Etc, etc. But they aren't trying and they were, there is little we could do except increase security and try to not make them appear more righteous. Force has yielded us NOTHING in Iraq.What are we to do? We send a message. I am 100% confident that 9/11 will NOT repeat, due to our reaction. I am also 100% confident that 9/11 would have never happened if we would have done SOMETHING about USS Cole. Killing all of them is impossible, everyone realizes this. However, many of the ones that have been apprehended or killed had plans for us, and those plans were thwarted thanks to our forces. We have saved thousands, if not millions of innocent lives thanks to our intel and Special Investigations agencies. What are you proposing? We just sit back, admit there's "nothing we can do" and just let them have their way with us?
quiglythegreat
19 major terrorist plots have been stopped in the US since 9/11. some of them would be more deadly than 9/11.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/HomelandDefense/bg2085.cfm
Not all those examples were actually in the US, not all of them were actually stopped so much as they hung themselves up on a noose (THE SHOE BOMBER), and pretty much all of those are not 'major terrorist plots', just apprehending people who are terrorists.JFK Plot, Fort Dix Plot, Liquid explosives plot, im pretty sure those are major terrorist plots.
[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="greeneye59"]I would love nothing more than peace on earth for all time, but peace can't be one sided. How do you make peace with people who don't want it? And who exactly are we trying to make peace with here? H3llstrike
Who says they don't want peace? Even Bin Laden said he wants peace. So do the Palestinians.
But you have to understand that the version of "peace" Bin Laden has is probably greatly different then most of the world's vision for peace. Plus we have people like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that are crazy on a level we haven't seen since Hitler that's one guy who's definitely going to start some crap in the near future.
Nobody wants more war, I'm about to go back and none of us want to. But it's setting the stage like adolf did before wwII started, people had a chance to stop him but didn't act and millions of jews died because of it. So in the long run I think hitting these issues before they get worse is a good idea.
But ya'll got great ideas on the subject, I like seeing all sides of how people think.
Your going back for your second tour in Iraq? That blows. Just remember most of us might disagree about if we should be in Iraq doesn't mean we don't support you guys 100%. I want you guys not to go there for your sake not the Iraqis. I could care less if they all rot in hell. Good luck to you.Thanks for the support H3llstrike it's much appreciated. People in the military understand that almost everyone in America supports us regardless of how they feel about Bush and the War, and we love that.
Thanks for the support H3llstrike it's much appreciated. People in the military understand that almost everyone in America supports us regardless of how they feel about Bush and the War, and we love that.
MarineJcksn
I agree wholeheartedly. Complain about politics if you want, but I hope everyone realizes the sacrifices that soliders make.
Where'd you get that? "The Path to 9/11?" >_>just look at the Clinton days, they attacked and attacked and Clinton did nothing.
whipassmt
[QUOTE="whipassmt"]I didn't know Afghanistan was in the middle east? Kinda thought it was in South Centrel Asia well because it is, kind shot yourself in the foot there buddy. Do you ever have the facts at hand in your threads? Apparently not. War on Terror is in Afghanistan and the War on Insurgents is in Iraq. You do know Saddam hunted down and killed terrorist in his country or anybody for that matter that he wasn't controlling. There wasn't any Al-Qaeda in Iraq before the war you know the REAL enemy! We should pull out of Iraq and send most of those troops to Afghanistan where the people who attacked us on 9/11 are. Where the real war on terror is!the liberal left think that if we pull out of the mideast and stop the war on terror, then the terrorists are gonna say "hey America is nice, let's not attack it". No if we stop attacking them , they will attack us just look at the Clinton days, they attacked and attacked and Clinton did nothing.
H3llstrike
lol ownage approved. good job H3ll his facts are straight from bush, like every republican/conservative.
Also, according to Bush's reports about fewer attacks and less terrorist support, doesn't that mean they won't have the numbers and support for bombing us as we pull out?
[QUOTE="H3llstrike"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]I didn't know Afghanistan was in the middle east? Kinda thought it was in South Centrel Asia well because it is, kind shot yourself in the foot there buddy. Do you ever have the facts at hand in your threads? Apparently not. War on Terror is in Afghanistan and the War on Insurgents is in Iraq. You do know Saddam hunted down and killed terrorist in his country or anybody for that matter that he wasn't controlling. There wasn't any Al-Qaeda in Iraq before the war you know the REAL enemy! We should pull out of Iraq and send most of those troops to Afghanistan where the people who attacked us on 9/11 are. Where the real war on terror is!the liberal left think that if we pull out of the mideast and stop the war on terror, then the terrorists are gonna say "hey America is nice, let's not attack it". No if we stop attacking them , they will attack us just look at the Clinton days, they attacked and attacked and Clinton did nothing.
darkIink
lol ownage approved. good job H3ll his facts are straight from bush, like every republican/conservative.
Also, according to Bush's reports about fewer attacks and less terrorist support, doesn't that mean they won't have the numbers and support for bombing us as we pull out?
Aghanistan is described as being in Central Asia, the Middle East, or South Asia according to Wiki. And we can't pull our troops out of Iraq because the Insurgents would overrun the country. No ownage approved.
yea look at the republican days...toe tapping in the bathroom, worst US president in history (FACT), illegal wars, the world against us nowSuperMaWiiOH
Never heard of Franklin Pierce?
Bush was bad, but he was worst.
We need to pull our troops back and hack out the majority of the military budget.
THe peace isn't imaginary. This concept put forward by Bush that we are under constant threat and attack by "terrorist" (I might add a term so vaguely defined that it could be used to throw any one of us citizens in prison) is what is imaginary. Funny thing is this is the same crap "great" countries like Germany used in their fall into facism.
We need to pull our troops back and hack out the majority of the military budget.
THe peace isn't imaginary. This concept put forward by Bush that we are under constant threat and attack by "terrorist" (I might add a term so vaguely defined that it could be used to throw any one of us citizens in prison) is what is imaginary. Funny thing is this is the same crap "great" countries like Germany used in their fall into facism.
Thechaninator
people are too quick to pull the militaries budget....I thinkwe should reduce it after we pull out of Iraq...but not "hack it out" that idea itself is idiotic as we rely on a heavily advanced military.
But, we do need to pull out of Iraq and let the Iraqi Army sort stuff out. The route problem is that we are there. They hate us and in order to win against a man who hates you must crush his will to hate. If we throw our support behind the IA ( Airforce andmilitary advisors...make our presencevery small)than the mujis will lose the majority of their supporters. They won't be able to use the cloak of "American Imperialism" as a recruiting tool as they will be fighting other Iraqis... People are far to scared to pull out... mind you it is slowly becoming the most reasonable short-time answer to our problems...the only other way is to stay in iraq for 10 years until the IA is well in position (god knows how long that could take in the bad provinces)
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]We need to pull our troops back and hack out the majority of the military budget.
THe peace isn't imaginary. This concept put forward by Bush that we are under constant threat and attack by "terrorist" (I might add a term so vaguely defined that it could be used to throw any one of us citizens in prison) is what is imaginary. Funny thing is this is the same crap "great" countries like Germany used in their fall into facism.
UnknownSniper65
people are too quick to pull the militaries budget....I thinkwe should reduce it after we pull out of Iraq...but not "hack it out" that idea itself is idiotic as we rely on a heavily advanced military.
But, we do need to pull out of Iraq and let the Iraqi Army sort stuff out. The route problem is that we are there. They hate us and in order to win against a man who hates you must crush his will to hate. If we throw our support behind the IA ( Airforce andmilitary advisors...make our presencevery small)than the mujis will lose the majority of their supporters. They won't be able to use the cloak of "American Imperialism" as a recruiting tool as they will be fighting other Iraqis... People are far to scared to pull out... mind you it is slowly becoming the most reasonable short-time answer to our problems...the only other way is to stay in iraq for 10 years until the IA is well in position (god knows how long that could take in the bad provinces)
Most of our military budget is us keeping troops in random places all over the world. Honestly, I think South Korea is the only place we need our troops as they want us there to help protect them from North Korea.....
As for the rest, you hit it right on the money. What many people don't realize is that one of the major causes of 9/11 was our presence IN THE MIDDLE EAST! They got mad at us as we seem imperialistic when we do things like that and combined with other minor reasons they got mad enough to attack.
Of course you won't hear Bush or the rest of the government (excluding Ron Paul) say this and they have much to gain through controlling the populous with fear....
The War on Terror is a real concern, but often misused and abused title. George W. Bush has done little to help and a lot to hurt our image across the world, all while expanding spending and the size of an already bloated, apathetic, and ineffective government. Nonetheless, I agree that reactionary liberals are just as bad, if not worse. They have politicized the conflicts in the Middle East, conflicts we should probably never got involved in, conflicts that have only demonstrated our arrogance and duplicity, but we have come close to making a second wrong by comparing the situation to Vietnam and abandoning a nation we collapsed simple because it became costly and unpopular. Those that opposed the invasion have all but unanimously validated, but those that oppose the surge are a sad, deteriorating bunch of defeatists and fools -- people whose politics are little more than bumper stickers and blog entries. We have the right and smart men in power now, in the military, but the people unfortunately are ignorant and emotional. They banged the war drum in the first days of the invasion and they just as quickly spit on the troops when the war became unpopular, jingoism and anti-Americanism, both extremes, but little rationality or learned awareness. We need cultural awareness, to continue the humanitarian and cooperation in Iraq, augment the security and government in these fledgling areas, help root out insurgency and aid cohesion in sectarian differences, and become increasingly less visible and low-key, yet firm. Much will be decided in the upcoming general election.the liberal left think that if we pull out of the mideast and stop the war on terror, then the terrorists are gonna say "hey America is nice, let's not attack it". No if we stop attacking them , they will attack us just look at the Clinton days, they attacked and attacked and Clinton did nothing.
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