Life After Death?

[QUOTE="iGaze"][QUOTE="Vaasman"][QUOTE="iGaze"]

yeah I wasn't looking for a factaul answer or anything... just how you thought a legacy could actaully be experienced as life after what we know as life...

Vaasman

Edit: Plus I don't think either of us said it was something you experienced yourself, so that argument is moot.

My argument was with Maniac not you... I already know that you acknowledged that if was not actaully experienced... Maniac was trying to argue that it was... I belive your theory to be correct but it is not relevant to the meaning of "after life" as it pertains to this topic.

Well I think that no one can disagree that legacies can live on and impact future generations... but that is the simple meaning of LEGACY... After-life has a completely different meaning which your theory has nothing to do with... you scewed the meaning of after-life when you brought it up

[QUOTE="Vaasman"][QUOTE="iGaze"][QUOTE="Vaasman"][QUOTE="iGaze"]

yeah I wasn't looking for a factaul answer or anything... just how you thought a legacy could actaully be experienced as life after what we know as life...

iGaze

Edit: Plus I don't think either of us said it was something you experienced yourself, so that argument is moot.

My argument was with Maniac not you... I already know that you acknowledged that if was not actaully experienced... Maniac was trying to argue that it was... I belive your theory to be correct but it is not relevant to the meaning of "after life" as it pertains to this topic.

Well I think that no one can disagree that legacies can live on and impact future generations... but that is the simple meaning of LEGACY... After-life has a completely different meaning which your theory has nothing to do with... you scewed the meaning of after-life when you brought it up

But how can one truly define "afterlife" when none of us have the chance to know? Our stereotypical definition of afterlife is only what humans have derived it to be... there is no real answer here.

[QUOTE="iGaze"][QUOTE="Vaasman"][QUOTE="iGaze"][QUOTE="Vaasman"][QUOTE="iGaze"]

yeah I wasn't looking for a factaul answer or anything... just how you thought a legacy could actaully be experienced as life after what we know as life...

Maniacc1

Edit: Plus I don't think either of us said it was something you experienced yourself, so that argument is moot.

My argument was with Maniac not you... I already know that you acknowledged that if was not actaully experienced... Maniac was trying to argue that it was... I belive your theory to be correct but it is not relevant to the meaning of "after life" as it pertains to this topic.

Well I think that no one can disagree that legacies can live on and impact future generations... but that is the simple meaning of LEGACY... After-life has a completely different meaning which your theory has nothing to do with... you scewed the meaning of after-life when you brought it up

But how can one truly define "afterlife" when none of us have the chance to know? Our stereotypical definition of afterlife is only what humans have derived it to be... there is no real answer here.

well take a look at the definition of life... and the definition of impact... they are different... impact is not physically experienced... life is related to afterlife and impact to legacy... therefore legacy is not related to the topic which is addressing afterlife...

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]

[QUOTE="iGaze"]NO..... I mean seriosuly think aobut it... it makes no sense.. iGaze

So you believe we just die and... that's it?

its pretty obvious that we do not live on... Don't waste your life hoping for something better to come, cause it won't... this is the ultimate reality... LIVE NOW...

You don't know that.

It's hard to imagine where your conscienceness would go. Would all your thought and feel of existing just cease? It's something really mind bending to think about. How can you think of yourself being dead once your dead? It can't be like sleeping because when you sleep you dream, but when you're dead your body psychologically shuts down....On the other hand there is evidence of ghosts. Heaven and hell on the other hand seem highly unlikely to me because of the religious pact behind it, and it seems like it was just created out of someone's head one day to keep people in order and to persuade people to "be good" by scaring them saying they'll go to hell if they do otherwise...

The bottom line is...I'm leaning towards it existing. I'm into paranormal science and all of that and believe there is something going on beyond normality and I suggest you all do some research for yourselves.

Yeah I believe there's life after death.

Life would be pointless if you're just bumbling along 90 years old and get hit by a car and then you cease to think, cease to see, cease to remember, and your mental slate is just wiped clean.

Half-Life_man

Who said life had purpose?

It's hard to imagine where your conscienceness would go. Would all your thought and feel of existing just cease? It's something really mind bending to think about. How can you think of yourself being dead once your dead? It can't be like sleeping because when you sleep you dream, but when you're dead your body psychologically shuts down....On the other hand there is evidence of ghosts. Heaven and hell on the other hand seem highly unlikely to me because of the religious pact behind it, and it seems like it was just created out of someone's head one day to keep people in order and to persuade people to "be good" by scaring them saying they'll go to hell if they do otherwise...

The bottom line is...I'm leaning towards it existing. I'm into paranormal science and all of that and believe there is something going on beyond normality and I suggest you all do some research for yourselves.

camreeno360

By your description, it sounds like you'd tend toward reincarnation. There would be no consciousness, no feeling, just energy that is recycled into a new form. You die....BAM.....you're reborn anew.....who knows where? Religion is way to ridiculous for me to swallow.....everything that comes after death is modelled after an existence that we once knew. That's incredibly narcissistic and arrogant to me. We are not that significant.

Only thing I'd disagree with you is that there's evidence for ghosts.

yeah i believe in an afterlifeclock_of_omens

I like to believe there is no life after death because then i wouldn't have to regret the things i couldn't achieve in this life and the things i did. I think our belief in life after death can be explained by our egoistical nature and has no truth in it.

Still this doesn't rule out material immortality. The particles of my body will remain in the universe, even after the Earth is gone and the sun has turned into a red giant. Maybe I'll become part of a nebula or something.

Life After Death was a badass album!!!

Life After Death was a badass album!!!

Truth_Seekr

:P Shoulda put that as an option.

after we die we are judged by God.

[QUOTE="Half-Life_man"]

Yeah I believe there's life after death.

Life would be pointless if you're just bumbling along 90 years old and get hit by a car and then you cease to think, cease to see, cease to remember, and your mental slate is just wiped clean.

gasmaskman

Who said life had purpose?

[QUOTE="gasmaskman"][QUOTE="Half-Life_man"]

Yeah I believe there's life after death.

Life would be pointless if you're just bumbling along 90 years old and get hit by a car and then you cease to think, cease to see, cease to remember, and your mental slate is just wiped clean.

Zaeryn

Who said life had purpose?

Serving God possibly... and living your life according to his perfect will...

[QUOTE="iGaze"]NO..... I mean seriosuly think aobut it... it makes no sense.. Maniacc1

So you believe we just die and... that's it?

Pretty much like with everything else. If something stops, it just simply seizes to exist. You think there's an afterlife for fire, trees, cars, lightning, computers, bacteria? They are simply replaced by others later on.

Afterlife is a creation of religion - a reward or hope. It was promoted by the lack of knowledge on how the human brain works. Well, now we know how it works and now there really is no reason to believe in afterlife. Apart from religion, it's just that some people have problems understanding how you can simply seize to exist like that. It can't end like that, there must be life beyond death, right?

Everything that has a beginning has an end. So why would humans be the exception to that rule?

[QUOTE="gasmaskman"][QUOTE="Half-Life_man"]

Yeah I believe there's life after death.

Life would be pointless if you're just bumbling along 90 years old and get hit by a car and then you cease to think, cease to see, cease to remember, and your mental slate is just wiped clean.

Zaeryn

Who said life had purpose?

The existance of the human race is probably the most important thing to us. After all, you wouldn't have existed if there was no human race. That is most likely why we live. You die but other people continue to live and new people are born after you die. So before you die you must try to improve life somehow or contribute to it because that's the only way humanity and cultures evolve into something better.

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]

[QUOTE="iGaze"]NO..... I mean seriosuly think aobut it... it makes no sense.. BlackAlpha666

So you believe we just die and... that's it?

Pretty much like with everything else. If something stops, it just simply seizes to exist. You think there's an afterlife for fire, trees, cars, lightning, computers, bacteria? They are simply replaced by others later on.

Afterlife is a creation of religion - a reward or hope. It was promoted by the lack of knowledge on how the human brain works. Well, now we know how it works and now there really is no reason to believe in afterlife. Apart from religion, it's just that some people have problems understanding how you can simply seize to exist like that. It can't end like that, there must be life beyond death, right?

Everything that has a beginning has an end. So why would humans be the exception to that rule?

You do realize there is so much we do not know about the human brain right? So to make an ascertion based on what we know now about the human mind at this point and try to compare that to to life after death is ubsurd.

I believe there is and I hope there is as well. Look all I have to say is that whether you believe in Jesus Christ or not, I believe his story to be true and for anyone to go through that suffering to prove a point has to mean something no?xscrapzx

Great point. Plus NDEs have led me to believe in life after death.

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Maniacc1"]

[QUOTE="iGaze"]NO..... I mean seriosuly think aobut it... it makes no sense.. xscrapzx

So you believe we just die and... that's it?

Pretty much like with everything else. If something stops, it just simply seizes to exist. You think there's an afterlife for fire, trees, cars, lightning, computers, bacteria? They are simply replaced by others later on.

Afterlife is a creation of religion - a reward or hope. It was promoted by the lack of knowledge on how the human brain works. Well, now we know how it works and now there really is no reason to believe in afterlife. Apart from religion, it's just that some people have problems understanding how you can simply seize to exist like that. It can't end like that, there must be life beyond death, right?

Everything that has a beginning has an end. So why would humans be the exception to that rule?

You do realize there is so much we do not know about the human brain right? So to make an ascertion based on what we know now about the human mind at this point and try to compare that to to life after death is ubsurd.

Note the last 2 sentences in my quote. I simply compare it to everything else in life.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Maniacc1"]

[QUOTE="iGaze"]NO..... I mean seriosuly think aobut it... it makes no sense.. BlackAlpha666

So you believe we just die and... that's it?

Pretty much like with everything else. If something stops, it just simply seizes to exist. You think there's an afterlife for fire, trees, cars, lightning, computers, bacteria? They are simply replaced by others later on.

Afterlife is a creation of religion - a reward or hope. It was promoted by the lack of knowledge on how the human brain works. Well, now we know how it works and now there really is no reason to believe in afterlife. Apart from religion, it's just that some people have problems understanding how you can simply seize to exist like that. It can't end like that, there must be life beyond death, right?

Everything that has a beginning has an end. So why would humans be the exception to that rule?

You do realize there is so much we do not know about the human brain right? So to make an ascertion based on what we know now about the human mind at this point and try to compare that to to life after death is ubsurd.

Note the last 2 sentences in my quote. I simply compare it to everything else in life.

So where is your facts that animals don't have an afterlife, though that may seem absurd to you, but I mean we are trenching on grounds that honestly we really don't know about, our minds can't compredhend what life would be like after death even if you say its nothing. I do believe there is though, regardless of people being uninformed in the past because of the lack of technology or education, to me science can't explain everything and no matter how much people try to study how this world came to be they never ever will find the real answer.

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]

[QUOTE="iGaze"]NO..... I mean seriosuly think aobut it... it makes no sense.. BlackAlpha666

So you believe we just die and... that's it?

Pretty much like with everything else. If something stops, it just simply seizes to exist. You think there's an afterlife for fire, trees, cars, lightning, computers, bacteria? They are simply replaced by others later on.

Afterlife is a creation of religion - a reward or hope. It was promoted by the lack of knowledge on how the human brain works. Well, now we know how it works and now there really is no reason to believe in afterlife. Apart from religion, it's just that some people have problems understanding how you can simply seize to exist like that. It can't end like that, there must be life beyond death, right?

Everything that has a beginning has an end. So why would humans be the exception to that rule?

[QUOTE="gasmaskman"][QUOTE="Half-Life_man"]

Yeah I believe there's life after death.

Life would be pointless if you're just bumbling along 90 years old and get hit by a car and then you cease to think, cease to see, cease to remember, and your mental slate is just wiped clean.

Zaeryn

Who said life had purpose?

The existance of the human race is probably the most important thing to us. After all, you wouldn't have existed if there was no human race. That is most likely why we live. You die but other people continue to live and new people are born after you die. So before you die you must try to improve life somehow or contribute to it because that's the only way humanity and cultures evolve into something better.

This guy understands!

The concept of an 'afterlife' implies that the nature of life transcends the body of ours-that it is not what we are, but merely a shell, a vehicle to be cast aside when the time comes.

Considering that at its crux, life is nothing more than mechanical or chemical actions triggered by electrical impulses, I see no reason to believe in it.

The concept of an 'afterlife' implies that the nature of life transcends the body of ours-that it is not what we are, but merely a shell, a vehicle to be cast aside when the time comes.

Considering that at its crux, life is nothing more than mechanical or chemical actions triggered by electrical impulses, I see no reason to believe in it.

atejas

Of course you could combine those 2. The soul could be controlling those electrical impulses.

[QUOTE="iGaze"]NO..... I mean seriosuly think aobut it... it makes no sense.. Maniacc1

So you believe we just die and... that's it?

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]

[QUOTE="iGaze"]NO..... I mean seriosuly think aobut it... it makes no sense.. whipassmt

So you believe we just die and... that's it?

Only if you are short sighted and don't look deeper.

[QUOTE="whipassmt"][QUOTE="Maniacc1"]

[QUOTE="iGaze"]NO..... I mean seriosuly think aobut it... it makes no sense.. BlackAlpha666

So you believe we just die and... that's it?

Only if you are short sighted and don't look deeper.

Most people aren't going to bother thinking about what an eternal state of Nirvana would entail. They're just going to think about it for a little bit and say "That's depressing."

No I believe you get resurrected by a Druid or go to the graveyard and you can either run to get your corpse or revive at the Spirit Healer and lose 25% durability on your clothes.nht12101990

lol

its a great album too...oh wait

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="whipassmt"][QUOTE="Maniacc1"]

[QUOTE="iGaze"]NO..... I mean seriosuly think aobut it... it makes no sense.. Blood-Scribe

So you believe we just die and... that's it?

Only if you are short sighted and don't look deeper.

Most people aren't going to bother thinking about what an eternal state of Nirvana would entail. They're just going to think about it for a little bit and say "That's depressing."

What do you mean?

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="whipassmt"][QUOTE="Maniacc1"]

[QUOTE="iGaze"]NO..... I mean seriosuly think aobut it... it makes no sense.. BlackAlpha666

So you believe we just die and... that's it?

Only if you are short sighted and don't look deeper.

Most people aren't going to bother thinking about what an eternal state of Nirvana would entail. They're just going to think about it for a little bit and say "That's depressing."

What do you mean?

What I mean is that people generally tend to think or at least hope that this life isn't the only one we have. Historically, people have always wanted or conceived a reason to believe that we are above our physical forms simply because we want to feel as though we are more than just sentient beings in this world. We want to feel empowered and special, and most of all, divine in some right. But when you negate all of that and just say we're going to rot in the ground for an eternity, it's a safe bet that many people would find that depressing and possibly even wrong just because it's in our nature to assume that we're better than we think we are.

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]

[QUOTE="iGaze"]NO..... I mean seriosuly think aobut it... it makes no sense.. nht12101990

So you believe we just die and... that's it?

Don't listen to that guy and his stupid crackpot theories. Look at his previous posts and you'll know what I mean. He's probably a Scientologist.

not believing in an afterlife is a stupid crackpot theory? wow, over 1 billion people on this planet are crackpots then?

Yeah I believe there's life after death.

Life would be pointless if you're just bumbling along 90 years old and get hit by a car and then you cease to think, cease to see, cease to remember, and your mental slate is just wiped clean.

Half-Life_man

life is pointless, its what you do with it that has any kind of meaning

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="whipassmt"][QUOTE="Maniacc1"]

[QUOTE="iGaze"]NO..... I mean seriosuly think aobut it... it makes no sense.. Blood-Scribe

So you believe we just die and... that's it?

Only if you are short sighted and don't look deeper.

Most people aren't going to bother thinking about what an eternal state of Nirvana would entail. They're just going to think about it for a little bit and say "That's depressing."

What do you mean?

What I mean is that people generally tend to think or at least hope that this life isn't the only one we have. Historically, people have always wanted or conceived a reason to believe that we are above our physical forms simply because we want to feel as though we are more than just sentient beings in this world. We want to feel empowered and special, and most of all, divine in some right. But when you negate all of that and just say we're going to rot in the ground for an eternity, it's a safe bet that many people would find that depressing and possibly even wrong just because it's in our nature to assume that we're better than we think we are.

Yeah, that's true. I figured that's what you meant but the other post sounded contradicting or maybe sarcastic, so I wasn't sure what you meant.

[QUOTE="Half-Life_man"]

Yeah I believe there's life after death.

Life would be pointless if you're just bumbling along 90 years old and get hit by a car and then you cease to think, cease to see, cease to remember, and your mental slate is just wiped clean.

smarb001

life is pointless, its what you do with it that has any kind of meaning

Well put.

I'd really like there to be an afterlife, but I don't think there is one.Aquat1cF1sh

Same here, if i had to bet my soul, I would say we just die, out vision and mind goes blank, like going to sleep or passing out, except forever.

However, I like to hope that there is an afterlife where your in a white never-ending room, and you can just wish anything or anyone into existance from the past, present and future. However, the atheist in me is a little pessimistic about the chances of that.

And also, slightly off-topic, why don't people just commit suicide if they believe in heaven? If they are so confident in their beliefs, why not just "accidently" step in front of a speeding car, or "trip" off of the edge of a roof? I wouldn't do that because I'm not completely certain in my beliefs, but others might. Its kinda funny actually, being an atheist, I look into the past when all the mumbojumbo in the bible was being made up and they were like:

Guy 1: ...and then lets talk about how theres this magical awesome place where you go if you've been good.

Guy 2: *snickers* Good one! *thinks* But wait, wouldn't the people commit suicide to spead the process?

Guy 1: Thats right! Hmm, lets make suicide a sin, we might as well, we're already telling them how to live every other aspect of their miserable lives!

Guy 2: LOL, awesome.

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]I'd really like there to be an afterlife, but I don't think there is one.smarb001

Same here, if i had to bet my soul, I would say we just die, out vision and mind goes blank, like going to sleep or passing out, except forever.

However, I like to hope that there is an afterlife where your in a white never-ending room, and you can just wish anything or anyone into existance from the past, present and future. However, the atheist in me is a little pessimistic about the chances of that.

And also, slightly off-topic, why don't people just commit suicide if they believe in heaven? If they are so confident in their beliefs, why not just "accidently" step in front of a speeding car, or "trip" off of the edge of a roof? I wouldn't do that because I'm not completely certain in my beliefs, but others might. Its kinda funny actually, being an atheist, I look into the past when all the mumbojumbo in the bible was being made up and they were like:

Guy 1: ...and then lets talk about how theres this magical awesome place where you go if you've been good.

Guy 2: *snickers* Good one! *thinks* But wait, wouldn't the people commit suicide to spead the process?

Guy 1: Thats right! Hmm, lets make suicide a sin, we might as well, we're already telling them how to live every other aspect of their miserable lives!

Guy 2: LOL, awesome.

If there is a heaven, then I hope we aren't "programmed" like humans because that means we will get absolutely bored over there.

And also, slightly off-topic, why don't people just commit suicide if they believe in heaven? If they are so confident in their beliefs, why not just "accidently" step in front of a speeding car, or "trip" off of the edge of a roof? I wouldn't do that because I'm not completely certain in my beliefs, but others might.smarb001

It's because our natural drive of survival at all cost is stronger than our belief in afterlife, not to mention the pain and sorrow suicide will cause to the ones close to you.

[QUOTE="smarb001"]And also, slightly off-topic, why don't people just commit suicide if they believe in heaven? If they are so confident in their beliefs, why not just "accidently" step in front of a speeding car, or "trip" off of the edge of a roof? I wouldn't do that because I'm not completely certain in my beliefs, but others might.X4D

It's because our natural drive of survival at all cost is stronger than our belief in afterlife, not to mention the pain and sorrow suicide will cause to the ones close to you.

Some people already do that. People that are extremely depressed, terrorists, etc.

[QUOTE="X4D"]

[QUOTE="smarb001"]And also, slightly off-topic, why don't people just commit suicide if they believe in heaven? If they are so confident in their beliefs, why not just "accidently" step in front of a speeding car, or "trip" off of the edge of a roof? I wouldn't do that because I'm not completely certain in my beliefs, but others might.BlackAlpha666

It's because our natural drive of survival at all cost is stronger than our belief in afterlife, not to mention the pain and sorrow suicide will cause to the ones close to you.

Some people already do that. People that are extremely depressed, terrorists, etc.

Yeah, I've heard about that. The suicide bombers in Iraq kill themselves because they believe they'll have a wealthy and fun life in heaven. Or something like that...

I'm not trying to start any heated debates or make this an in depth religious thread, I just want to know how many people out there believe in it or not. Maniacc1

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]I'm not trying to start any heated debates or make this an in depth religious thread, I just want to know how many people out there believe in it or not. LexLas

I'm sorry but huh? :P