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#52 Sword-Demon
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[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"]

[QUOTE="King-Kai"]

Explain in detail.

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http://isaacmmcphee.suite101.com/traveling-at-the-speed-of-light-a49916

in short:

-Time dilation

-Spacial shrinking

-Infinite energy requirement

-Infinite mass

The ships themselves aren't moving at light speed. They're using warp drive:

"In 1994 Alcubierre proposed a way of changing the geometry of space by creating a wave which would cause the fabric of space ahead of a spacecraft to contract and the space behind it to expand.The ship would then ride this wave inside a region of flat space known as a warp bubble, and would not move within this bubble, but instead be carried along as the region itself moves as a consequence of the actions of the drive."

what sort of "wave is that reffering to? like a ripple in space-time? that would pose even more questions concerning an impact with a planet than before :P
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#53 Sword-Demon
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[QUOTE="markop2003"]Simply getting to light speed would melt the universe as it would require an infinite amount of energy.magicalclick

You cannot melt an infinite universe using infinite amount of energy.

impossible scenario anyway, since the universe has a finite amount of energy in it, and more energy can't be created but we don't know if the universe is infinite
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#54 M3boarder23
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Lol @ the Stephen Hawking wannabe rejects ITT
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#56 Sword-Demon
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[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"][QUOTE="magicalclick"]

You cannot melt an infinite universe using infinite amount of energy.

magicalclick

impossible scenario anyway, since the universe has a finite amount of energy in it, and more energy can't be created but we don't know if the universe is infinite

Well, infinite universe is the "current" belief. Note "current", which is subject to change. Well, many things are subject to change as well, not just the concept of infinite universe.

is the belief that the universe is infinite, or continually expanding? havent really looked into it much
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#57 theSteeeeels
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[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"][QUOTE="theSteeeeels"]if you could disintergrate the objects mass and then move it you could move at the speed of light, in theory also, if you were on a plane flying around the world at light speed for 5 years constantly, when you land 5 years may have passed for you but the world will be around 15 years in the future

no, that would be at near light speeds. at true light speed, the time distortion would become infinite, time would completely stop for you, while everything else would appear to be going forward through time at an infinite rate

that cant be right? because light isnt some infinite speed, its light speed, you can measure it......... thats like saying the speed of light is infintely fast... which it is not
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#58 Matthew-first
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Light speed's too slow. The real question is what would happen if the ship were travelling at ludicrous speed?

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it would reach over 9000 power level at 1.21 jiggawatts, and render the balls inert



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#59 Meinhard1
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I've been wondering this too. If achieving light speed is impossible then what about 80 or 90 percent of light speed? How much damage would a golf ball sized piece of rock traveling at near-light speeds do to a planet? I mean, it would have a pretty insignificant mass but the velocity insane.
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[QUOTE="theSteeeeels"][QUOTE="Sword-Demon"][QUOTE="theSteeeeels"]if you could disintergrate the objects mass and then move it you could move at the speed of light, in theory also, if you were on a plane flying around the world at light speed for 5 years constantly, when you land 5 years may have passed for you but the world will be around 15 years in the future

no, that would be at near light speeds. at true light speed, the time distortion would become infinite, time would completely stop for you, while everything else would appear to be going forward through time at an infinite rate

that cant be right? because light isnt some infinite speed, its light speed, you can measure it......... thats like saying the speed of light is infintely fast... which it is not

light is not an infinite speed, but it is the universal speed limit EM waves can only travel at that speed because they have no mass. when an object with mass accelerates closer and closer to light speed, time distortion increases along with, which keeps the object from actually reaching light speed. IIRC, this happens because the faster an object goes, the more mass it gains. more mass = more gravity, more gravity = more time distortion (massive objects such as planets have already been proven to distort time.) and because massless things such as EM waves travel at light speed, it takes an infinite amount of energy to propel an object with mass to that same speed. so space-time, mass, and energy are all intertwined to create that universal speed limit. you can't actually achieve light speed travel (by conventional means, anyway. who knows what the future holds?), you can only get infinitely close to it, which is where the infinite time distortion, mass, and energy requirements come from.
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#61 theSteeeeels
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oh yeah i guess youre right one question though why does faster mean more mass?
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#62 FMAB_GTO
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[QUOTE="Meinhard1"]I've been wondering this too. If achieving light speed is impossible then what about 80 or 90 percent of light speed? How much damage would a golf ball sized piece of rock traveling at near-light speeds do to a planet? I mean, it would have a pretty insignificant mass but the velocity insane.

Wouldn't it transform into really tiny pieces during the flight?
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I've never had physics and don't know much about it, but this is faster than the speed of light... OPERA

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I do believe those little neutrinos were helped by poor electronics

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[QUOTE="markop2003"]Simply getting to light speed would melt the universe as it would require an infinite amount of energy.magicalclick

You cannot melt an infinite universe using infinite amount of energy.

Herp, except the universe isn't infinite
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#65 Sword-Demon
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[QUOTE="theSteeeeels"]oh yeah i guess youre right one question though why does faster mean more mass?

momentum is how mass is stored in an object. That's why the faster something is going, the more force it produces
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[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"][QUOTE="magicalclick"]

You cannot melt an infinite universe using infinite amount of energy.

magicalclick

impossible scenario anyway, since the universe has a finite amount of energy in it, and more energy can't be created but we don't know if the universe is infinite

Well, infinite universe is the "current" belief. Note "current", which is subject to change. Well, many things are subject to change as well, not just the concept of infinite universe.

Also asridiculous as it sound, you should be able to generate negative energy to create positive energy. That's not possible to today's science beliefs. But, I believe one day, a mad scientist would be able to do that, just not in my life time.

lol no it isn't. The current belief is that the universe is finite but expanding. Think of it this way, if the universe was infinite, it means it would have been around for infinite time. If the universe has been around for an infinite amount of time the stars would have heated everything up to their temperature, the sky would be extremely bright all the time...and we would be on fire

Negative energy to create positive energy? lolol Positive energy is all around us, aka mass (E=Mc^2)
We don't have the technology to create enough negative energy to be able to do anything with it

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#67 chaoscougar1
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[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"][QUOTE="theSteeeeels"]oh yeah i guess youre right one question though why does faster mean more mass?

momentum is how mass is stored in an object. That's why the faster something is going, the more force it produces

F=M x a
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#68 Inconsistancy
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Well, infinite universe is the "current" belief. Note "current", which is subject to change. Well, many things are subject to change as well, not just the concept of infinite universe.

Also asridiculous as it sound, you should be able to generate negative energy to create positive energy. That's not possible to today's science beliefs. But, I believe one day, a mad scientist would be able to do that, just not in my life time.

magicalclick

Antimatter? We've made that stuff, even contained it in a magnetic field, believe at the LHC.

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#69 LordsLoss
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The limitation of the impossible disappears with time. One day we will have light speed travel, to say otherwise just limits what we can do. I can't wait for ludicrous speed. Oh boy!

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#70 chaoscougar1
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[QUOTE="magicalclick"]

Well, infinite universe is the "current" belief. Note "current", which is subject to change. Well, many things are subject to change as well, not just the concept of infinite universe.

Also asridiculous as it sound, you should be able to generate negative energy to create positive energy. That's not possible to today's science beliefs. But, I believe one day, a mad scientist would be able to do that, just not in my life time.

Inconsistancy

Antimatter? We've made that stuff, even contained it in a magnetic field, believe at the LHC.

Antimatter =/= Negative Energy
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A 13,600 kg X-wing traveling at 299,792,458 meters per second would have a kinetic energy of 6.11 X 10^20 joules. A one megaton explosion is equal to 4.18 x 10^15 joules. So yeah, that's 146,000 megatons. Kind'a on the big size as far as explosions go :P

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light speed travel is impossible, so nothing would happen :|

Sword-Demon

In the laws of physics as we know, you are right. But who are you to say that it is impossible, we know very little of the universe.

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[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Light speed's too slow. The real question is what would happen if the ship were travelling at ludicrous speed?

Matthew-first

it would reach over 9000 power level at 1.21 jiggawatts, and render the balls inert



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#74 Ross_the_Boss6
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light speed travel is impossible, so nothing would happen :|

Sword-Demon

On the bright side that means time travel is possible :D

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If a ship goes at light speed you have more important problems to think of than it crashing into a planet, lol.

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[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"]

light speed travel is impossible, so nothing would happen :|

Ross_the_Boss6

On the bright side that means time travel is possible :D

I'm pretty sure it'll never happen.
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The gravity well of planets, large objects, and interdictor cruisers drags ships out of hyperspace and back into normalspace. The idea is that they are in a different dimension to move so fast, but gravity wells force them out of it by forcing them to slow down. At the same time, you can't just go from point A to point B. Many trips require several hyperspace jumps to zig-zag around obstacles.
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#78 Ross_the_Boss6
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[QUOTE="Ross_the_Boss6"]

[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"]

light speed travel is impossible, so nothing would happen :|

FMAB_GTO

On the bright side that means time travel is possible :D

I'm pretty sure it'll never happen.

Well, yeah. :( I doubt humans will ever come close to the speed of light for more than one reason. But we have done it with atoms, which is pretty cool.

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#79 FMAB_GTO
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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="Ross_the_Boss6"]

On the bright side that means time travel is possible :D

Ross_the_Boss6

I'm pretty sure it'll never happen.

Well, yeah. :( I doubt humans will ever come close to the speed of light for more than one reason. But we have done it with atoms, which is pretty cool.

Yeah,and we've also reached this level of evolution starting from scratch,we are awesome creatures indeed :D
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[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"][QUOTE="theSteeeeels"]oh yeah i guess youre right one question though why does faster mean more mass?

momentum is how mass is stored in an object. That's why the faster something is going, the more force it produces

stop talking out of your ass anything is possible
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anything is possibleMrMe1000

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[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"][QUOTE="theSteeeeels"]oh yeah i guess youre right one question though why does faster mean more mass?MrMe1000
momentum is how mass is stored in an object. That's why the faster something is going, the more force it produces

stop talking out of your ass anything is possible

no need to be rude

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#83 MrMe1000
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[QUOTE="MrMe1000"][QUOTE="Sword-Demon"] momentum is how mass is stored in an object. That's why the faster something is going, the more force it producesSword-Demon

stop talking out of your ass anything is possible

no need to be rude

its needed
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[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"]

[QUOTE="MrMe1000"] stop talking out of your ass anything is possibleMrMe1000

no need to be rude

its needed

The laws of physics would suggest otherwise
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#85 MrMe1000
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[QUOTE="MrMe1000"][QUOTE="Sword-Demon"] no need to be rude

chaoscougar1

its needed

The laws of physics would suggest otherwise

the laws of physics is gravity's B!TCH

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[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="MrMe1000"] its neededMrMe1000

The laws of physics would suggest otherwise

the laws of physics is gravity's B!TCH

Ohhhhh kkkkkkkk...
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The fact that the missile is travelling at light speed means that the entire universe gets annihilated.

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#88 worlock77
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[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"][QUOTE="theSteeeeels"]oh yeah i guess youre right one question though why does faster mean more mass?MrMe1000
momentum is how mass is stored in an object. That's why the faster something is going, the more force it produces

stop talking out of your ass anything is possible

Sorry, but no, anything is not possible.

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[QUOTE="MrMe1000"][QUOTE="Sword-Demon"] momentum is how mass is stored in an object. That's why the faster something is going, the more force it producesworlock77

stop talking out of your ass anything is possible

Sorry, but no, anything is not possible.

In the correct enviroment, yes, anything is possible.

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#90 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="MrMe1000"] stop talking out of your ass anything is possibleNibroc420

Sorry, but no, anything is not possible.

In the correct enviroment, yes, anything is possible.

So what environment is needed in order for me to knock a hole in a mountain by hitting it with my bare head?

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#91 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Sorry, but no, anything is not possible.

worlock77

In the correct enviroment, yes, anything is possible.

So what environment is needed in order for me to knock a hole in a mountain by hitting it with my bare head?

Virtual Reality. Or future tech, and a re-working of the definition of "bare hand"
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#92 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

In the correct enviroment, yes, anything is possible.

Nibroc420

So what environment is needed in order for me to knock a hole in a mountain by hitting it with my bare head?

Virtual Reality. Or future tech, and a re-working of the definition of "bare hand"

Motherf*cking lol.

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Not unless the starship has a deflector dish and route main power to deflector control, you wouldn't need to worry about that. Just make sure Giordi is at his post and that your matter anti matter flow is constant and that your structural integrity is at peek efficiency.