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so i've been thinking about a scenario in which you are in a long term relationship/marriage with someone. let's say you've already spent 20 happy years with your partner and have a couple of kids with when you realize you don't love them anymore. what would you do? would you keep that to yourself for the sake of saving your family? if so, wouldn't it be immoral to take their right of knowing such a vital thing away from someone who had shared their best years of life with you? if not, wouldn't it be selfish tp let a happy family fall apart and cause some serious possible traumas to your offsprings?

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I would most likely wake up.

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I would most likely wake up.

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so i've been thinking about a scenario in which you are in a long term relationship/marriage with someone. let's say you've already spent 20 happy years with your partner and have a couple of kids with when you realize you don't love them anymore. what would you do? would you keep that to yourself for the sake of saving your family? if so, wouldn't it be immoral to take their right of knowing such a vital thing away from someone who had shared their best years of life with you? if not, wouldn't it be selfish tp let a happy family fall apart and cause some serious possible traumas to your offsprings?

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This is more common in your throwaway buy a new one society.  This would never happen because i'm not stupid and wishy washy.  Read the bible.

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I would try hard to fall in love with them again.

It'd probably be doable 'cause, y'know, it happened already *shrugs*

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[QUOTE="0rbs"]

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so i've been thinking about a scenario in which you are in a long term relationship/marriage with someone. let's say you've already spent 20 happy years with your partner and have a couple of kids with when you realize you don't love them anymore. what would you do? would you keep that to yourself for the sake of saving your family? if so, wouldn't it be immoral to take their right of knowing such a vital thing away from someone who had shared their best years of life with you? if not, wouldn't it be selfish tp let a happy family fall apart and cause some serious possible traumas to your offsprings?

 

This is more common in your throwaway buy a new one society.  This would never happen because i'm not stupid and wishy washy.  Read the bible.

Christian marriages fail too. Often because they are taught that premarital sex is wrong, so marry in haste and then realise they are incompatible at a fundamental (no pun intended) level.
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i would do my best to keep the family together. put on a happy face and all that.

nothing good comes from a broken family.

id keep the facade until the kids are grown up and on their own or old enough to understand and hopefully not be too negatively affected.

chances are, id still stay in the marriage. at least i have someone.

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[QUOTE="0rbs"]

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so i've been thinking about a scenario in which you are in a long term relationship/marriage with someone. let's say you've already spent 20 happy years with your partner and have a couple of kids with when you realize you don't love them anymore. what would you do? would you keep that to yourself for the sake of saving your family? if so, wouldn't it be immoral to take their right of knowing such a vital thing away from someone who had shared their best years of life with you? if not, wouldn't it be selfish tp let a happy family fall apart and cause some serious possible traumas to your offsprings?

ALovelyHorse

 

This is more common in your throwaway buy a new one society.  This would never happen because i'm not stupid and wishy washy.  Read the bible.

Christian marriages fail too. Often because they are taught that premarital sex is wrong, so marry in haste and then realise they are incompatible at a fundamental (no pun intended) level.

 

Not a TRUE CHRISTIAN marriage.

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I would try hard to fall in love with them again.

It'd probably be doable 'cause, y'know, it happened already *shrugs*

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QUOTE] Christian marriages fail too. Often because they are taught that premarital sex is wrong, so marry in haste and then realise they are incompatible at a fundamental (no pun intended) level.0rbs
Not a TRUE CHRISTIAN marriage.

Well you'd need to define it, we may have different ideas based on different experiences.
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[QUOTE="ALovelyHorse"][QUOTE="0rbs"]

 

This is more common in your throwaway buy a new one society.  This would never happen because i'm not stupid and wishy washy.  Read the bible.

0rbs

Christian marriages fail too. Often because they are taught that premarital sex is wrong, so marry in haste and then realise they are incompatible at a fundamental (no pun intended) level.

 

Not a TRUE CHRISTIAN marriage.

exactly, a true christian marriage would never break up because you will always get along with a few of your wives and concubines.

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[QUOTE="ALovelyHorse"] Christian marriages fail too. Often because they are taught that premarital sex is wrong, so marry in haste and then realise they are incompatible at a fundamental (no pun intended) level.Riverwolf007

 

Not a TRUE CHRISTIAN marriage.

exactly, a true christian marriage would never break up because you will always get along with a few of your wives and concubines.

 

 

Sorry, we're not mormans.

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Get a divorce. I'm not going to stick around with someone that doesn't make me happy.

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Get a divorce. I'm not going to stick around with someone that doesn't make me happy.

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If you always think about yourself, you'll never be happy.

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Get a divorce. I'm not going to stick around with someone that doesn't make me happy.

0rbs

 

If you always think about yourself, you'll never be happy.

That doesn't make any sense.

pls just go away

 

 

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Get a divorce. I'm not going to stick around with someone that doesn't make me happy.

Aljosa23

 

If you always think about yourself, you'll never be happy.

That doesn't make any sense.

pls just go away

 

 

 

Marriage is about two people, if you're in it just for yourself, you shouldn't be in one at all, and you'll never make it. Find your faith.

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Love changes this is true....but it's also a state of mind.
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

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If you always think about yourself, you'll never be happy.

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That doesn't make any sense.

pls just go away

 

 

 

Marriage is about two people, if you're in it just for yourself, you shouldn't be in one at all, and you'll never make it. Find your faith.

Exactly, it's about two people. Therefore both people should be happy. If one the people aren't happy, then the marriage has failed. 

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[QUOTE="ALovelyHorse"][QUOTE="0rbs"]

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so i've been thinking about a scenario in which you are in a long term relationship/marriage with someone. let's say you've already spent 20 happy years with your partner and have a couple of kids with when you realize you don't love them anymore. what would you do? would you keep that to yourself for the sake of saving your family? if so, wouldn't it be immoral to take their right of knowing such a vital thing away from someone who had shared their best years of life with you? if not, wouldn't it be selfish tp let a happy family fall apart and cause some serious possible traumas to your offsprings?

 

This is more common in your throwaway buy a new one society.  This would never happen because i'm not stupid and wishy washy.  Read the bible.

Christian marriages fail too. Often because they are taught that premarital sex is wrong, so marry in haste and then realise they are incompatible at a fundamental (no pun intended) level.

Christian marriages fail because they aren't practicing their faith.
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Marriage is about two people, if you're in it just for yourself, you shouldn't be in one at all, and you'll never make it. Find your faith.

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If I love her then yeah but this scenario the OP made says that I don't love her. I'm not going to stay in a loveless marriage just because and have my happiness be taken away.

 

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Marriage is about two people, if you're in it just for yourself, you shouldn't be in one at all, and you'll never make it. Find your faith.

Aljosa23

If I love her then yeah but this scenario the OP made says that I don't love her. I'm not going to stay in a loveless marriage just because and have my happiness be taken away.

 


It's only because you love yourself too much that you would be in that scenario.  God will show you a better way. Have faith child.

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[QUOTE="ALovelyHorse"][QUOTE="0rbs"]

 

This is more common in your throwaway buy a new one society.  This would never happen because i'm not stupid and wishy washy.  Read the bible.

maheo30

Christian marriages fail too. Often because they are taught that premarital sex is wrong, so marry in haste and then realise they are incompatible at a fundamental (no pun intended) level.

Christian marriages fail because they aren't practicing their faith.

 

Is that the truth!

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[QUOTE="maheo30"][QUOTE="ALovelyHorse"][QUOTE="0rbs"]

 

This is more common in your throwaway buy a new one society.  This would never happen because i'm not stupid and wishy washy.  Read the bible.

Christian marriages fail too. Often because they are taught that premarital sex is wrong, so marry in haste and then realise they are incompatible at a fundamental (no pun intended) level.

Christian marriages fail because they aren't practicing their faith.

You've never been married have you?
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Marriage is about two people, if you're in it just for yourself, you shouldn't be in one at all, and you'll never make it. Find your faith.

Aljosa23

If I love her then yeah but this scenario the OP made says that I don't love her. I'm not going to stay in a loveless marriage just because and have my happiness be taken away.

 

Kind of selfish dude......:P
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="0rbs"]

Marriage is about two people, if you're in it just for yourself, you shouldn't be in one at all, and you'll never make it. Find your faith.

LJS9502_basic

If I love her then yeah but this scenario the OP made says that I don't love her. I'm not going to stay in a loveless marriage just because and have my happiness be taken away.

 

Kind of selfish dude......:P

 

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Kind of selfish dude......:PLJS9502_basic
Not particularly. The only thing that would make me hesitant would be the kids but even then if we've been married for 20 years our children are at least in their teens and they'd completely understand.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Kind of selfish dude......:PAljosa23

Not particularly. The only thing that would make me hesitant would be the kids but even then if we've been married for 20 years our children are at least in their teens and they'd completely understand.

Not sure how you can you say that when the genesis for leaving is your own interests.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Kind of selfish dude......:PAljosa23

Not particularly. The only thing that would make me hesitant would be the kids but even then if we've been married for 20 years our children are at least in their teens and they'd completely understand.

 

Why not try couples conseling? 

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Kind of selfish dude......:PLJS9502_basic

Not particularly. The only thing that would make me hesitant would be the kids but even then if we've been married for 20 years our children are at least in their teens and they'd completely understand.

Not sure how you can you say that when the genesis for leaving is your own interests.

People need to worry about themselves as well. The husband/wife can still find someone else and be happy. If you stay in an unhappy marriage you won't have any chance of finding someone who can make you happy. I personally would probably try to work it out first, but if that fails, I'm not going to stay in an unhappy marriage. 

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Christian marriages fail because they aren't practicing their faith. maheo30
So Christian marriages are completely exempt from basic human realities? It's one thing to have your faith as a mutual bond (Which can be very strong) - but it doesn't change the fact that, being that we are fallible humans, sometimes we marry the wrong people. Sometimes people grow apart as they way they see the world changes. But pertaining to the topic - even that mutual journey of faith does not dissolve the fact that sometimes, people fall out of love with each other, no matter how strong their love for Christ is. Or are you pertaining to the missive of Christian divorce, which is only valid if a marriage contains adultery? Because technically, to the letter of the law, you are correct.
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[QUOTE="maheo30"]Christian marriages fail because they aren't practicing their faith. ALovelyHorse
So Christian marriages are completely exempt from basic human realities? It's one thing to have your faith as a mutual bond (Which can be very strong) - but it doesn't change the fact that, being that we are fallible humans, sometimes we marry the wrong people. Sometimes people grow apart as they way they see the world changes. But pertaining to the topic - even that mutual journey of faith does not dissolve the fact that sometimes, people fall out of love with each other, no matter how strong their love for Christ is. Or are you pertaining to the missive of Christian divorce, which is only valid if a marriage contains adultery? Because technically, to the letter of the law, you are correct.

I disagree.

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Kind of selfish dude......:PLJS9502_basic

Not particularly. The only thing that would make me hesitant would be the kids but even then if we've been married for 20 years our children are at least in their teens and they'd completely understand.

Not sure how you can you say that when the genesis for leaving is your own interests.

Well yeah but I still don't see a reason to stay in a loveless marriage.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Not particularly. The only thing that would make me hesitant would be the kids but even then if we've been married for 20 years our children are at least in their teens and they'd completely understand.

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Not sure how you can you say that when the genesis for leaving is your own interests.

People need to worry about themselves as well. The husband/wife can still find someone else and be happy. If you stay in an unhappy marriage you won't have any chance of finding someone who can make you happy. I personally would probably try to work it out first, but if that fails, I'm not going to stay in an unhappy marriage. 

It's kind of immature and foolish to think love doesn't change....the excitement does lessen. You need to have a strong friendship with your partner as well. And walking out because you don't "love" whatever that means is selfish. I'm not telling him or you to what to do but the reasoning is selfish. What makes you "unhappy"?
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Not particularly. The only thing that would make me hesitant would be the kids but even then if we've been married for 20 years our children are at least in their teens and they'd completely understand.

Aljosa23

Not sure how you can you say that when the genesis for leaving is your own interests.

Well yeah but I still don't see a reason to stay in a loveless marriage.

Loveless to me denotes two people who have moved on from each other. In this case you're dealing with your own lack of love. Not necessarily that your partner does not still love you.
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[QUOTE="ALovelyHorse"][QUOTE="maheo30"]Christian marriages fail because they aren't practicing their faith. 0rbs

So Christian marriages are completely exempt from basic human realities? It's one thing to have your faith as a mutual bond (Which can be very strong) - but it doesn't change the fact that, being that we are fallible humans, sometimes we marry the wrong people. Sometimes people grow apart as they way they see the world changes. But pertaining to the topic - even that mutual journey of faith does not dissolve the fact that sometimes, people fall out of love with each other, no matter how strong their love for Christ is. Or are you pertaining to the missive of Christian divorce, which is only valid if a marriage contains adultery? Because technically, to the letter of the law, you are correct.

I disagree.

With what? That a strong mutual faith doesn't exclude human fallibility when it comes to a relationship lasting? A lot of couples with mutual ground on par with religion ( in terms of personal importance) still fall short.
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[QUOTE="ALovelyHorse"] So Christian marriages are completely exempt from basic human realities? It's one thing to have your faith as a mutual bond (Which can be very strong) - but it doesn't change the fact that, being that we are fallible humans, sometimes we marry the wrong people. Sometimes people grow apart as they way they see the world changes. But pertaining to the topic - even that mutual journey of faith does not dissolve the fact that sometimes, people fall out of love with each other, no matter how strong their love for Christ is. Or are you pertaining to the missive of Christian divorce, which is only valid if a marriage contains adultery? Because technically, to the letter of the law, you are correct.ALovelyHorse

I disagree.

With what? That a strong mutual faith doesn't exclude human fallibility when it comes to a relationship lasting? A lot of couples with mutual ground on par with religion ( in terms of personal importance) still fall short.

 

I don't like that either.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Not sure how you can you say that when the genesis for leaving is your own interests.LJS9502_basic

People need to worry about themselves as well. The husband/wife can still find someone else and be happy. If you stay in an unhappy marriage you won't have any chance of finding someone who can make you happy. I personally would probably try to work it out first, but if that fails, I'm not going to stay in an unhappy marriage. 

It's kind of immature and foolish to think love doesn't change....the excitement does lessen. You need to have a strong friendship with your partner as well. And walking out because you don't "love" whatever that means is selfish. I'm not telling him or you to what to do but the reasoning is selfish. What makes you "unhappy"?

People change as well. And if I don't like what the person has become then I may stop loving her. I haven't been married yet but I was in a five year relationship. Sometimes it takes a long time to realize that someone isn't the right person for you. 

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Loveless to me denotes two people who have moved on from each other. In this case you're dealing with your own lack of love. Not necessarily that your partner does not still love you.LJS9502_basic
Fair enough but that still doesn't make much difference to me. There's still the whole element of honesty and it wouldn't be fair to her to be with someone who doesn't share the same feelings anymore.

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I don't like that either0rbs
So offer a counter argument.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Loveless to me denotes two people who have moved on from each other. In this case you're dealing with your own lack of love. Not necessarily that your partner does not still love you.Aljosa23

Fair enough but that still doesn't make much difference to me. There's still the whole element of honesty and it wouldn't be fair to her to be with someone who doesn't share the same feelings anymore.

 

If you both love god, you will not lose the connection.

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People need to worry about themselves as well. The husband/wife can still find someone else and be happy. If you stay in an unhappy marriage you won't have any chance of finding someone who can make you happy. I personally would probably try to work it out first, but if that fails, I'm not going to stay in an unhappy marriage. 

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It's kind of immature and foolish to think love doesn't change....the excitement does lessen. You need to have a strong friendship with your partner as well. And walking out because you don't "love" whatever that means is selfish. I'm not telling him or you to what to do but the reasoning is selfish. What makes you "unhappy"?

People change as well. And if I don't like what the person has become then I may stop loving her. I haven't been married yet but I was in a five year relationship. Sometimes it takes a long time to realize that someone isn't the right person for you. 

After 20 years you'd have known the person was right for you for most of that time unless you're rather dim. Relationships of any kind take work.....the problem is people aren't willing to put much work into relationships....barring extreme conditions of course. But this thread is not about extremes. Just deciding you don't "love" someone anymore. And as I stated earlier....love changes. The raging hormones is not the basis of a long sustained relationship. That's why it's best to wait until that stage has lessened to make a lifelong commitment. But after 20 years man....that's just a shit thing to do to a family. IMO.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Loveless to me denotes two people who have moved on from each other. In this case you're dealing with your own lack of love. Not necessarily that your partner does not still love you.0rbs

Fair enough but that still doesn't make much difference to me. There's still the whole element of honesty and it wouldn't be fair to her to be with someone who doesn't share the same feelings anymore.

 

If you both love god, you will not lose the connection.

I'm going to continue to ignore you after this unless you start respecting the fact that I don't believe in a God.

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[QUOTE="0rbs"]I don't like that eitherALovelyHorse

So offer a counter argument.

 

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[QUOTE="0rbs"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Fair enough but that still doesn't make much difference to me. There's still the whole element of honesty and it wouldn't be fair to her to be with someone who doesn't share the same feelings anymore.

Aljosa23

 

If you both love god, you will not lose the connection.

I'm going to continue to ignore you after this unless you start respecting the fact that I don't believe in a God.

 

You're not ignoring me if you're responding, so good luck with that.  He'll never stop believing in YOU.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Loveless to me denotes two people who have moved on from each other. In this case you're dealing with your own lack of love. Not necessarily that your partner does not still love you.Aljosa23

Fair enough but that still doesn't make much difference to me. There's still the whole element of honesty and it wouldn't be fair to her to be with someone who doesn't share the same feelings anymore.

I'm not sure you're going to find what you seek with anyone long term TBH. I'm not sure why you suddenly stop loving someone with no other "issue".
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Loveless to me denotes two people who have moved on from each other. In this case you're dealing with your own lack of love. Not necessarily that your partner does not still love you.LJS9502_basic

Fair enough but that still doesn't make much difference to me. There's still the whole element of honesty and it wouldn't be fair to her to be with someone who doesn't share the same feelings anymore.

I'm not sure you're going to find what you seek with anyone long term TBH. I'm not sure why you suddenly stop loving someone with no other "issue".

 

Better is the end of a thing than its beginning,
and the patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit. -Ecclesiastes 7:8

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I don't like that either0rbs
So offer a counter argument.

 

And now I commend you to God and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.-Acts 20:32.

What can oppose God's will?
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[QUOTE="0rbs"]

 

If you both love god, you will not lose the connection.

0rbs

I'm going to continue to ignore you after this unless you start respecting the fact that I don't believe in a God.

 

You're not ignoring me if you're responding, so good luck with that.  He'll never stop believing in YOU.

Who's, " He'll"? If there is no god:wink: ?

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I'm not sure you're going to find what you seek with anyone long term TBH. I'm not sure why you suddenly stop loving someone with no other "issue".LJS9502_basic
Well I'm just indulging the OP with his scenario. If I decide to get married the chance that I will just stop having feelings for my spouse is very very unlikely.

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[QUOTE="ALovelyHorse"] So offer a counter argument.

ALovelyHorse

 

And now I commend you to God and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.-Acts 20:32.

What can oppose God's will?

 

Exactly.