Living under Nazism or Stallin Communism

If you where forced to pick a side and live under the rule of that side which would you rather choose?

nazis had a better sense of fashion, il go with that.

EIDT; also, im expecting Nazis to get the most votes, since this is an mostly American based forum, and America has more in common with Nazi Germany then with communist Russia , zing

nazis had a better sense of fashion, il go with that.

Half-Way

Well the Nazi uniforms where Hugo Boss.

nazi regime, at least hitler wasn paranoic and killed his own people. If i were jew or disabled i would side to communism.

.. Might as well flip a coin, your screwed either way.. The system doesn't even matter to what they were apart of.. They were both dictatorships that use popular support to garner all the power in the state saying it was for the good of every one.sSubZerOo

That could be one hell of a coin toss, i never said you had to agree with their policies and ideals just live under their rule.

I was watching The Way Back and it made me realize that there's no difference between the two. I knew it way before watching it, but somehow something clicked.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"].. Might as well flip a coin, your screwed either way.. The system doesn't even matter to what they were apart of.. They were both dictatorships that use popular support to garner all the power in the state saying it was for the good of every one.mattisgod01

That could be one hell of a coin toss, i never said you had to agree with their policies and ideals just live under their rule.

Like I said your screwed either way.. It makes no difference.. Its like argueing whether you want your testicles in a vice or hit with a hammer.. Does it really make a difference?

Nazism of course, the Germans weren't starving to death under Hitler's rule.

I was watching The Way Back and it made me realize that there's no difference between the two. I knew it way before watching it, but somehow something clicked.

yourmajesty90

But there is a difference, Stallin and Hitler where both evil but in different ways and with different consequences.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"].. Might as well flip a coin, your screwed either way.. The system doesn't even matter to what they were apart of.. They were both dictatorships that use popular support to garner all the power in the state saying it was for the good of every one.sSubZerOo

That could be one hell of a coin toss, i never said you had to agree with their policies and ideals just live under their rule.

Like I said your screwed either way.. It makes no difference.. Its like argueing whether you want your testicles in a vice or hit with a hammer.. Does it really make a difference?

This topic was more to see how different people percieve history, Its true that neither solution would be ideal but personally i'd find communism under Stallin far worse. Stallin was said to be willing to kill every last person on earth if it meant he would stay in power and i don't doubt that, Hitler was said to only care for Germany and while some may doubt it i don't. His methods, ideals and dream of attaining and maintaining a thousand year Reich i do disagree with however. But i don't believe his motivation was purely selfish. Communism under Stallin rule was far more opressive and thats why i'd choose Nazism.

run away? get killed off fighting for my freedoms... surrealnumber5

If i had added that option to the pole i don't think many people would choose otherwise.

I figure they're pretty similar, I'd go with nazism, engineers and scientists were treated pretty well under hitler because he realized their potential, Stalin thought they were lazy good for nothings, and treated them like crap, often to extremes that were basically slavery and torture. Also, The U.S.S.R. was poor as ****, at least under nazism the economy was decent.

Nazism

national socialist or nazi? There is a bit of a difference, final solution and all weezyfb

It really is a coin toss in some cases. However, if a real decision had to be made, I think it would have to be made on your background, ethnicity, etc. If you were part of a group that was hated by one of these more than the other for ethnic or ideological reasons, you might choose the one least likely to starve or kill you over the other, even if that possibility was a bit slim. You also have to take into account that Hitler acted rather consistently on his ideology, while Stalin seemed to suffer from paranoia as a mental illness, and murdered people for completely unexpected reasons. In short, the latter was more off-the-hinge than the former, leaving the former with a bit more predictablility.

It's a difficult thing to judge even in hindsight though. We know that Stalin was getting ready to wage an internal "war" on the Jewish population in the 50s, and it could very well have turned into another holocaust had he not died unexpectedly. So I am not so sure any effective discernment can be made.

Stalin killed millions of his own people, and I think I'd be safer under nazism.Secret-Face

Given that the Jews, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, handicapped, homosexuals, et. al. sent to death camps were Germans, the same can be said of Hitler.

Not to mention I despise communism as a wholeSecret-Face

Well hell me too, but unless you don't also hate Nazi ideology as a whole, I'm not sure why that last part needs to be qualified.

Stalin killed millions of his own people, and I think I'd be safer under nazism. Not to mention I despise communism as a wholeSecret-Face

i suggest you read more if you believe there is any connection between Stalin's communism and Marxism which is the core idea of communism.

Im not too surprised though, the west has done a pretty good Job at making anti-communist propaganda

same as Stalin and Mao have done a good Job at marketing their ideas as anything even close to what Karl Marx had in mind.

I guess im just glad that i grew up in a nation which doesn't have a political bias when teaching about ideologies at school.

It really is a coin toss in some cases. However, if a real decision had to be made, I think it would have to be made on your background, ethnicity, etc. If you were part of a group that was hated by one of these more than the other for ethnic or ideological reasons, you might choose the one least likely to starve or kill you over the other, even if that possibility was a bit slim. You also have to take into account that Hitler acted rather consistently on his ideology, while Stalin seemed to suffer from paranoia as a mental illness, and murdered people for completely unexpected reasons. In short, the latter was more off-the-hinge than the former, leaving the former with a bit more predictablility.

It's a difficult thing to judge even in hindsight though. We know that Stalin was getting ready to wage an internal "war" on the Jewish population in the 50s, and it could very well have turned into another holocaust had he not died unexpectedly. So I am not so sure any effective discernment can be made.

[QUOTE="Secret-Face"]Stalin killed millions of his own people, and I think I'd be safer under nazism.m0zart

Given that the Jews, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, handicapped, homosexuals, et. al. sent to death camps were Germans, the same can be said of Hitler.

Not to mention I despise communism as a wholeSecret-Face

Well hell me too, but unless you don't also hate Nazi ideology as a whole, I'm not sure why that last part needs to be qualified.

Hitler was guilty of killing basically anyone who he didn't consider Herrenvolk or Master Race. He was also guilty of killing anyone who didn't agree with him, got in the way or just didn't like. But either way as long as you weren't openly opposed to the Nazis and of Aryan decent then you would most likely be safe under Nazi rule.

Stallin on the other hand was far more unpredictable and would kill people just for the sake of it. He was so paranoid that if you where from any other nationality then you could be at risk of death or imprisonment/forced labour.

The Invasion of Poland is a good example, The Nazis are often viewed as the evil invaders but in relative terms the Soviets commited some pretty bad atrocities. Stallin had the Soviet Secret Police round up 22,000 Polish Officers, and Ruling class and had them imprisoned and then executed for no other reason then he though they could be a potential "Inconvenience" later on. The Nazis did kill alot of Polish jews aswell and not to make light of that.

[QUOTE="Secret-Face"]Stalin killed millions of his own people, and I think I'd be safer under nazism. Not to mention I despise communism as a wholeHalf-Way

i suggest you read more if you believe there is any connection between Stalin's communism and Marxism which is the core idea of communism.

Im not too surprised though, the west has done a pretty good Job at making anti-communist propaganda

same as Stalin and Mao have done a good Job at marketing their ideas as anything even close to what Karl Marx had in mind.

I guess im just glad that i grew up in a nation which doesn't have a political bias when teaching about ideologies at school.

Thats why i specified Stallin Communism, Communism is a most often in the form of dictatorship and like any good dictatorship it is only as bad as the dictator in charge.

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[QUOTE="Secret-Face"]Stalin killed millions of his own people, and I think I'd be safer under nazism. Not to mention I despise communism as a wholemattisgod01

i suggest you read more if you believe there is any connection between Stalin's communism and Marxism which is the core idea of communism.

Im not too surprised though, the west has done a pretty good Job at making anti-communist propaganda

same as Stalin and Mao have done a good Job at marketing their ideas as anything even close to what Karl Marx had in mind.

I guess im just glad that i grew up in a nation which doesn't have a political bias when teaching about ideologies at school.

Thats why i specified Stallin Communism, Communism is a most often in the form of dictatorship and like any good dictatorship it is only as bad as the dictator in charge.

well thats true, most communist countries have been dictatorships, but thats not how it was supposed to be. Karl Marx idea was very similar to a democracy. With the working class in focous, which was the majority.

If I could take the Stalin part out I would say communism.

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i suggest you read more if you believe there is any connection between Stalin's communism and Marxism which is the core idea of communism.

Im not too surprised though, the west has done a pretty good Job at making anti-communist propaganda

same as Stalin and Mao have done a good Job at marketing their ideas as anything even close to what Karl Marx had in mind.

I guess im just glad that i grew up in a nation which doesn't have a political bias when teaching about ideologies at school.

Half-Way

Thats why i specified Stallin Communism, Communism is a most often in the form of dictatorship and like any good dictatorship it is only as bad as the dictator in charge.

well thats true, most communist countries have been dictatorships, but thats not how it was supposed to be. Karl Marx idea was very similar to a democracy. With the working class in focous, which was the majority.

My knowledge of Karl Marx is fairly limiten beyond general knowledge and what i read in The Communist Manifesto. Marxism was born out of the Industrial Revolution where the rich factory owners and businessmen became the new ruling class and the working class or proletariat became nothing more then a tool in a machine where they earned the minimum wage (The bare minimum they needed to be paid to prevent them becoming a burden to the Bourgeois) and at the point they could no longer work they where simply discarded. from this Karl Marx ideals where formed and embraced. I'm not entirely sure Communism in its purest from works that well in modern society and can only be implemented under a Dictatorship and is more often used as a tool for oppression. So as far as my knowledge of Marxism goes not only is Communism under a Dictatorship very different to Karl Marx vision but its almost the complete opposite.

I have blond hair and blue eyes, so my chances of thriving and not dieing are significantly better with Nazism

And increase my chances to leave.

Probably Nazism.

I'm part german, I've got blue eyes, I was blonde- Nazis it is.

If I could take the Stalin part out I would say communism.

Serraph105

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[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

i suggest you read more if you believe there is any connection between Stalin's communism and Marxism which is the core idea of communism.

Im not too surprised though, the west has done a pretty good Job at making anti-communist propaganda

same as Stalin and Mao have done a good Job at marketing their ideas as anything even close to what Karl Marx had in mind.

I guess im just glad that i grew up in a nation which doesn't have a political bias when teaching about ideologies at school.

Half-Way

Thats why i specified Stallin Communism, Communism is a most often in the form of dictatorship and like any good dictatorship it is only as bad as the dictator in charge.

well thats true, most communist countries have been dictatorships, but thats not how it was supposed to be. Karl Marx idea was very similar to a democracy. With the working class in focous, which was the majority.

I'm not on the master race's hit list, so I suppose Germany?

I'm not on the master race's hit list, so I suppose Germany?

coolbeans90

Nazis wouldn't suck that bad unless you were a Jew or some other minority, they even had some pretty good economic policy. Stalin just plain sucked for everyone. He basically let Ukraine starve to death in an attempt to speed up Russia's industrialization, and overall killed a lot more people then the Nazis. Of course if you are a minority Communists are definitely a better choice, lol.

It's like asking "What's better? Getting stabbed in the stomach or the back" Both still suck no matter what.

I picked Nazism. If you weren't Jewish, living in Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1944 wasn't that bad. I'm not saying I would have liked to live there.

I'm gonna go with Nazism - better standard of living.

Communism for me. Even though I'm a woman they'd still let me have a gun, rather than forcing me to go blonde, and raise umpteen blue-eyed children.

lol can't believe so many people picked Nazism.

lol can't believe so many people picked Nazism.

Morphic

If it were a choice between Nazism and any other communist regime it would be a no brainer for me, but Stalin is a different story altogether. The man was an egomanical lunatic who was just as prone to executing other communists as he was counter-revolutionaries. At least under Hitler you knew how to stay off the Nazis radar, so long as you weren't in one of the persecuted minorities. Stalin, basically the only way to avoid persecution from him was to either become a sycophant or a laborer.

I'm a black man. So give me communism. But I'll probably be dead either way.