LOL @ LeBron James

I think its funny how he signed with the heat only to win a championship, but there is a catch.

If lebron wins a championship it wont be "His" team that won. It will be "Wades" team that won, he just happened to be a part of it. Clevland gave lebron all the tools to win but he couldnt so instead of sticking to the town that gave him everything he went for a championship.

Disclaimer: I do not live in clevland I live in Detroit.

I don't like the guy, but I gotta support him now.

I dont think he cares if its not "his team" that wins. all he wants is a championship.

I think it was a dumb move to not go to new york

Could the Cavs president have done more for Lebron? I think so

I dont think he cares if its not "his team" that wins. all he wants is a championship.

MrBubbles59

It all smells like fresh bull **** to me.

I never knew LeBron had his own team at any point in his career. Nor did I know that Wade had his own team.clayron

Really. Its not like Lebron actually got to pick his own players. He clearly could not get Wade and another good player in Cleveland. Is that too much to ask for? In my opinioin, I think that Cavs president, ****** the city of Cleveland by not getting James what he wanted.

If LeBron was a 35-year-old joining a championship contender to get his first title, I'd understand this. But he's 25. It's like he's basically giving up and saying "Well, I can't lead a team to a title so I guess I'll just follow these guys".

Like I said...he's going to be a Hall-of-Famer, but he had the chance to be considered the best basketball player ever. With this move, he threw that opportunity out the window.

If LeBron was a 35-year-old joining a championship contender to get his first title, I'd understand this. But he's 25. It's like he's basically giving up and saying "Well, I can't lead a team to a title so I guess I'll just join these guys". JML897

[QUOTE="JML897"]If LeBron was a 35-year-old joining a championship contender to get his first title, I'd understand this. But he's 25. It's like he's basically giving up and saying "Well, I can't lead a team to a title so I guess I'll just join these guys". Ken_Masterz

Thats what I've been saying all along. The organizations can do no wrong but if a player does something that people disagree with then all hell breaks loose. Lebron should have a right to choose where he would like to play ball for whatever reason. Whether anyone agrees or disagrees with it.

Just because Lebron goes to the Heat doesn't mean that he will win a championship but I can tell some people are already assuming. Anyway I am very happy for Lebron and the NBA and could care less about Cleveland because they wanted the same old ***** team with the best player in the league on their team.

Clevelands organization is a bad place for the best players in the league to play because Cleveland will not build a good team around them. This is a FACT

Why dont people just leave him the **** alone? He can make his own Desicions... Fans just tend to ruin the game...00-Riddick-00

It's hard to leave him the **** alone when he goes out of his way to make nauseating TV specials on ESPN that was basically just an hour of ESPN kissing his ass.

If LeBron was a 35-year-old joining a championship contender to get his first title, I'd understand this. But he's 25. It's like he's basically giving up and saying "Well, I can't lead a team to a title so I guess I'll just join these guys". JML897

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]Why dont people just leave him the **** alone? He can make his own Desicions... Fans just tend to ruin the game...JML897

It's hard to leave him the **** alone when he goes out of his way to make nauseating TV specials on ESPN that was basically just an hour of ESPN kissing his ass.

The CAVS president has ****** the city of Cleveland by not giving James what he wanted.

The CAVS president has ****** the city of Cleveland by not giving James what he wanted.

Sonwhy

That's like saying it was only Jordan that won the Bull's championships... Anyone remotely intelligent knows that it was a team effort with Pippen, Kerr, Rodman, etc. LeBron doesn't have to worry about that. Basketball teams are built on duos or other pairings, not one person... Kobe and Pau, Kobe and Shaq, Pierce and Allen and Garnett, etc...Toriko42

There is a huge difference between what Jordan did and what Lebron is doing. Jordan's teams struggled in the beginning too, and for years he could never get past the Pistons (even with Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant as teammates). I'm not sure how well you remember, but people actually said Jordan hurt his teams and that he couldn't win in his early years. Jordan stuck it out in Chicago, overcame all his obstacles, and became a legend. He didn't run from adversity by joining his rivals. You didn't see Jordan running to join Isiah Thomas and the Detroit Pistons when the the Pistons knocked the Bulls out of the playoffs 3 years in a row. The fourth time the Bulls and Pistons met in the playoffs the Bulls swept them, and then beat Magic Johnson's Lakers in the Finals... and Michael Jordan finally arrived.

Lebron had all the pieces needed to win a Championship. The Cavs had the best record in the league the past two years, does anything more really need to be said? They clearly were capable of winning.

No one is saying Lebron had to win by himself, but he left behind a great thing in Cleveland and he probably would have won a couple rings there anyways. Sure he may win a few in Miami now but none of them will be as sweet as if he had won them in Cleveland.

[QUOTE="Sonwhy"]

The CAVS president has ****** the city of Cleveland by not giving James what he wanted.

clayron

All they had to do was get two other really good players to come to Cleveland. If you can't get Bosh take Stoudamire. If you can't get Wade take Chris Paul.

I don't understand the negativity behind his decision. I mean, he's looking for a change in his career and a chance to play with new people and surroundings. Whether or not he wins a championship, we'll have to wait and see. But come on, he doesn't "owe" the city of Cleveland anything. :roll:Maniacc1

Most of the negativity comes with the way he did it. It was slimy as hell. He did a one-hour special that was basically a big "**** you" to Cleveland.

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]I don't understand the negativity behind his decision. I mean, he's looking for a change in his career and a chance to play with new people and surroundings. Whether or not he wins a championship, we'll have to wait and see. But come on, he doesn't "owe" the city of Cleveland anything. :roll:JML897

Most of the negativity comes with the way he did it. It was slimy as hell. He did a one-hour special that was basically a big "**** you" to Cleveland.

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]I don't understand the negativity behind his decision. I mean, he's looking for a change in his career and a chance to play with new people and surroundings. Whether or not he wins a championship, we'll have to wait and see. But come on, he doesn't "owe" the city of Cleveland anything. :roll:JML897

Most of the negativity comes with the way he did it. It was slimy as hell. He did a one-hour special that was basically a big "**** you" to Cleveland.

He was not trying to insult Cleveland he was just trying to give the boys/girls association some money. Hence all the proceeds generated for "The Decision" were donated to that organization.

[QUOTE="Toriko42"]That's like saying it was only Jordan that won the Bull's championships... Anyone remotely intelligent knows that it was a team effort with Pippen, Kerr, Rodman, etc. LeBron doesn't have to worry about that. Basketball teams are built on duos or other pairings, not one person... Kobe and Pau, Kobe and Shaq, Pierce and Allen and Garnett, etc...Orlando_Magic

There is a huge difference between what Jordan did and what Lebron is doing. Jordan's teams struggled in the beginning too, and for years he could never get past the Pistons (even with Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant as teammates). I'm not sure how well you remember, but people actually said Jordan hurt his teams and that he couldn't win in his early years. Jordan stuck it out in Chicago, overcame all his obstacles, and became a legend. He didn't run from adversity by joining his rivals. You didn't see Jordan running to join Isiah Thomas and the Detroit Pistions when the the Pistons knocked the Bulls out of the playoffs 3 years in a row. The fourth time the Bulls and Pistons met in the playoffs the Bulls swept them, and then beat Magic Johnson's Lakers in the Finals... and Michael Jordan finally arrived.

Lebron had all the pieces needed to win a Championship. The Cavs had the best record in the league the past two years, does anything more really need to be said? They clearly were capable of winning.

No one is saying Lebron had to win by himself, but he left behind a great thing in Cleveland and he probably would have won a couple rings there anyways. Sure he may win few in Miami now but none of them will be as sweet as if he had won them in Cleveland.

and i live in miami, so ha.

[QUOTE="Toriko42"]That's like saying it was only Jordan that won the Bull's championships... Anyone remotely intelligent knows that it was a team effort with Pippen, Kerr, Rodman, etc. LeBron doesn't have to worry about that. Basketball teams are built on duos or other pairings, not one person... Kobe and Pau, Kobe and Shaq, Pierce and Allen and Garnett, etc...Orlando_Magic

There is a huge difference between what Jordan did and what Lebron is doing. Jordan's teams struggled in the beginning too, and for years he could never get past the Pistons (even with Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant as teammates). I'm not sure how well you remember, but people actually said Jordan hurt his teams and that he couldn't win in his early years. Jordan stuck it out in Chicago, overcame all his obstacles, and became a legend. He didn't run from adversity by joining his rivals. You didn't see Jordan running to join Isiah Thomas and the Detroit Pistions when the the Pistons knocked the Bulls out of the playoffs 3 years in a row. The fourth time the Bulls and Pistons met in the playoffs the Bulls swept them, and then beat Magic Johnson's Lakers in the Finals... and Michael Jordan finally arrived.

Lebron had all the pieces needed to win a Championship. The Cavs had the best record in the league the past two years, does anything more really need to be said? They clearly were capable of winning.

No one is saying Lebron had to win by himself, but he left behind a great thing in Cleveland and he probably would have won a couple rings there anyways. Sure he may win few in Miami now but none of them will be as sweet as if he had won them in Cleveland.

[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]I don't understand the negativity behind his decision. I mean, he's looking for a change in his career and a chance to play with new people and surroundings. Whether or not he wins a championship, we'll have to wait and see. But come on, he doesn't "owe" the city of Cleveland anything. :roll:Sonwhy

Most of the negativity comes with the way he did it. It was slimy as hell. He did a one-hour special that was basically a big "**** you" to Cleveland.

He was not trying to insult Cleveland he was just trying to give the boys/girls association some money. Hence all the proceeds generated for "The Decision" were donated to that organization.

:roll: If he wanted to give the Boys and Girls club money, he could've given them money without creating a joke of a TV show. That show wasn't some selfless act by LeBron; it was him being incredibly narcissistic.

Man his decision took forever

Seriously though, I think the Heat are going to be beastly next season with him.

The Cavs certainly could have done more to bring in good players for LeBron. But in the end, he couldn't get it done in Cleveland so hopefully Wade can hand him a title. LeBron can't do it otherwise.

If LeBron was a 35-year-old joining a championship contender to get his first title, I'd understand this. But he's 25. It's like he's basically giving up and saying "Well, I can't lead a team to a title so I guess I'll just follow these guys".

Like I said...he's going to be a Hall-of-Famer, but he had the chance to be considered the best basketball player ever. With this move, he threw that opportunity out the window.

JML897

This(except for greatest basketball player ever), and that stupid 1 hour event of LeBron making his decision, which felt like I was watching a damn ad campaign, didn't help either.

[QUOTE="Sonwhy"]

[QUOTE="JML897"]

Most of the negativity comes with the way he did it. It was slimy as hell. He did a one-hour special that was basically a big "**** you" to Cleveland.

JML897

He was not trying to insult Cleveland he was just trying to give the boys/girls association some money. Hence all the proceeds generated for "The Decision" were donated to that organization.

:roll: If he wanted to give the Boys and Girls club money, he could've given them money without creating a joke of a TV show. That show wasn't some selfless act by LeBron; it was him being incredibly narcissistic.

Yes, Lebron could of donated money out of his own pocket but apparantely it must have been worth the trouble to do what he did or else he wouldn't have done it. I have no idea how much money was made from it but I don't think he had any intention of pissing off Cleveland.

The Cavs certainly could have done more to bring in good players for LeBron. But in the end, he couldn't get it done in Cleveland so hopefully Wade can hand him a title. LeBron can't do it otherwise.

sonicare

And Technically Lebron was not even a player for the Cavs this off season. No trades were made for LBJ. LBJ was a FREE agent. So he really was not a CAV this summer. He had the option to resign with the CAVS if he wanted but he also had other options.

The Cavs certainly could have done more to bring in good players for LeBron. But in the end, he couldn't get it done in Cleveland so hopefully Wade can hand him a title. LeBron can't do it otherwise.

[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

The Cavs certainly could have done more to bring in good players for LeBron. But in the end, he couldn't get it done in Cleveland so hopefully Wade can hand him a title. LeBron can't do it otherwise.

sonicare

This is a better way of what I was trying to say earlier.

It took 7 or 8 seasons and Phil Jackson for Jordan to win his first ring. LeBron will never be privy to a Phil Jackson-esque coach in Cleveland. That team took to long to get rid of Mike Brown. A coach that has no personal playoff experience. They still haven't surrounded him with players like a Pau Gasol, Robert Horry, Pippen, Kukoc, and he should not have to wait until his umpteenth season before it happens. He will always be compared to Kobe and Jordan. The difference is, those two teams are big enough to attract talent. Cleveland isn't. Look at the current example, when people heard LeBron might move to Miami players started seriously looking at Miami during free agency. Some people even expect other players to take major pay cuts to play on that team. That would never happen if LeBron played for Cleveland. No one is racing to play in Cleveland. That tells you something about that team. After 7 years, that team should be stacked with some of the best players in the East and it isn't. His championship will be just as sweet as they would have been if he had stayed with Cleveland. You think Shaq's championships did not mean as much to him after he left Orlando. In this current climate LeBron will always face criticism. Always. But he has to do what is in best interests. That means leaving a team and heading somewhere else.clayron

The difference is that Cleveland already had the best record in the NBA the past two seasons and were fully capable of winning a championship any way you want to try and slice it. There was no need to run away from it.

Shaq was not chasing rings in Los Angeles. Shaq was young and after the lavish LA lifestyle (rapper, actor, and the spotlight). That would be the equivalent of Lebron going to New York, which did not happen. Los Angeles was horrible when Shaq first got there and had no other superstars (yet). Shaq stuck through the hard times in LA and eventually won it all and experienced the good times in LA...

[QUOTE="clayron"]It took 7 or 8 seasons and Phil Jackson for Jordan to win his first ring. LeBron will never be privy to a Phil Jackson-esque coach in Cleveland. That team took to long to get rid of Mike Brown. A coach that has no personal playoff experience. They still haven't surrounded him with players like a Pau Gasol, Robert Horry, Pippen, Kukoc, and he should not have to wait until his umpteenth season before it happens. He will always be compared to Kobe and Jordan. The difference is, those two teams are big enough to attract talent. Cleveland isn't. Look at the current example, when people heard LeBron might move to Miami players started seriously looking at Miami during free agency. Some people even expect other players to take major pay cuts to play on that team. That would never happen if LeBron played for Cleveland. No one is racing to play in Cleveland. That tells you something about that team. After 7 years, that team should be stacked with some of the best players in the East and it isn't. His championship will be just as sweet as they would have been if he had stayed with Cleveland. You think Shaq's championships did not mean as much to him after he left Orlando. In this current climate LeBron will always face criticism. Always. But he has to do what is in best interests. That means leaving a team and heading somewhere else.Orlando_Magic

The difference is that Cleveland already had the best record in the NBA the past two seasons and were fully capable of winning a championship any way you want to try and slice it. There was no need to run away from it.

Shaq was not chasing rings in Los Angeles. Shaq was young and after the lavish LA lifestyle (rapper, actor, and the spotlight). That would be the equivalent of Lebron going to New York, which did not happen. Los Angeles was horrible when Shaq first got there and had no other superstars (yet). Shaq stuck through the hard times in LA and eventually won it all and experienced the good times in LA...

You can't compare an organization like the cavs with that of the lakers. Certain organizations in the NBA clearly hold more cards than others. Just look at the number of championships each team has around in the NBA to get an idea.

Fine by me. I'm from Milwaukee, and I want to see Wade rule the NBA :)

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="clayron"] That same argument could be said for any player especially Kobe. Shaq handed him his first 3 title. Gasol handed him his next two. Same can be said for Jordan. People seriously expect one person to lead a team by himself to the championship. No player has ever done that. Not Jordan. Not Kobe. Arguably two of the best to ever step foot on a court.JML897

This is a better way of what I was trying to say earlier.

Both of you are ridiculous. How long should Lebron wait? Cleveland can not get the players or the coaching that LeBron needs. Period.

And how can you say that Pau Gasol is not a superstar? He is considered on of the BEST power forwards in the league at this point. Kobe has won a championship with him working as a team. And he always had a great supporting cast every time he has won a championship. To say otherwise, is simply ridiculous. The more legendary players? The more legendary players tend to struggle their entire careers and reach hall of fame status for keeping a team afloat. Jordan would have never won without a the team and coaching he had. His team was unstoppable. Literally.

Hell, there have been Hall of Famers jumped ship late in their career to go to other teams to pursue championship rings. He chose the easy way out. He was a free agent. Great players are bred from great teams. Jordan will not be remembered because he stayed and won every championship with the Bulls. No one cares about that. Jordan was an amazing, unparalled player who proved you can not get it done without adequate support. The Bulls produced that support and Jordan went on to be a six-time champion. LeBron does not have that luxury. He needs to be where he can get the support he needs. He chose Miami, and if he wins a championship the city he won it in won't matter. It will be the fact that he and the team proved they were better than everyone else when there are equally great teams.

[QUOTE="clayron"]It took 7 or 8 seasons and Phil Jackson for Jordan to win his first ring. LeBron will never be privy to a Phil Jackson-esque coach in Cleveland. That team took to long to get rid of Mike Brown. A coach that has no personal playoff experience. They still haven't surrounded him with players like a Pau Gasol, Robert Horry, Pippen, Kukoc, and he should not have to wait until his umpteenth season before it happens. He will always be compared to Kobe and Jordan. The difference is, those two teams are big enough to attract talent. Cleveland isn't. Look at the current example, when people heard LeBron might move to Miami players started seriously looking at Miami during free agency. Some people even expect other players to take major pay cuts to play on that team. That would never happen if LeBron played for Cleveland. No one is racing to play in Cleveland. That tells you something about that team. After 7 years, that team should be stacked with some of the best players in the East and it isn't. His championship will be just as sweet as they would have been if he had stayed with Cleveland. You think Shaq's championships did not mean as much to him after he left Orlando. In this current climate LeBron will always face criticism. Always. But he has to do what is in best interests. That means leaving a team and heading somewhere else.Orlando_Magic

The difference is that Cleveland already had the best record in the NBA the past two seasons and were fully capable of winning a championship any way you want to try and slice it. There was no need to run away from it.

Shaq was not chasing rings in Los Angeles. Shaq was young and after the lavish LA lifestyle (rapper, actor, and the spotlight). That would be the equivalent of Lebron going to New York, which did not happen. Los Angeles was horrible when Shaq first got there and had no other superstars (yet). Shaq stuck through the hard times in LA and eventually won it all and experienced the good times in LA...

All the tools he needed to win a championship? Is that why none of his teamates showed up in the playoffs?

I don't like the guy, but I gotta support him now.

NoobisMaxcimus

haha i love ur sig and avatar. as a big Wade fan im kinda mad because i want Wade to win but not LeBron

I'm sorry but that's garbage. You can defend LeBron all you want, but in the end, he was an opportunistic quitter. Sure, he could have had better support but he didn't want to wait. You say that Magic, Bird, and Jordan all played with superstars? They played with good players, but what LeBron did would be the equivalent of Jordan, Magic, and Bird all joining the same team because they didn't want the challenge of playing against each other. LeBron wants a guarantee of winning a championship. If he was up for the challenge, I could have seen him go to the Bulls. He would have been the star player there and had the support necessary to win a championship. But he's a guy that just wants the hardware now and wants the easiest path to it.