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#51 CptJSparrow

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Hyundai Sonata turbocharded 2.0L i4 gets 270hp.... more than my ford 4.7l v8.... oh and let's not get started on gas economy.

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#52 Fightingfan

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Hyundai Sonata turbocharded 2.0L i4 gets 270hp.... more than my ford 4.7l v8.... oh and let's not get started on gas economy.CptJSparrow

That's turbo though, turbo is bullsh*t horsepower.

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#53 M3boarder23

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3.0 liters 500 HP here :)

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#54 M3boarder23

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Hyundai Sonata turbocharded 2.0L i4 gets 270hp.... more than my ford 4.7l v8.... oh and let's not get started on gas economy.Fightingfan

That's turbo though, turbo is bullsh*t horsepower.

Lol god I hate Honda HP/Liter fanboys

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#55 Fightingfan

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Hyundai Sonata turbocharded 2.0L i4 gets 270hp.... more than my ford 4.7l v8.... oh and let's not get started on gas economy.M3boarder23

That's turbo though, turbo is bullsh*t horsepower.

Lol god I hate Honda HP/Liter fanboys

It's not being a fanboy, it's giving credit where credit is due. I have my 302(1993 GT) v8 too, 210hp >.>

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#56 CptJSparrow

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Hyundai Sonata turbocharded 2.0L i4 gets 270hp.... more than my ford 4.7l v8.... oh and let's not get started on gas economy.Fightingfan

That's turbo though, turbo is bullsh*t horsepower.

What do you mean?

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#57 M3boarder23

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="M3boarder23"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] That's turbo though, turbo is bullsh*t horsepower.

Lol god I hate Honda HP/Liter fanboys

It's not being a fanboy, it's giving credit where credit is due. I have my 302(1993 GT) v8 too, 210hp >.>

Talking down on Turbo cars is not simply giving credit where credits due

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#58 M3boarder23

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Hyundai Sonata turbocharded 2.0L i4 gets 270hp.... more than my ford 4.7l v8.... oh and let's not get started on gas economy.CptJSparrow

That's turbo though, turbo is bullsh*t horsepower.

What do you mean?

He means it's Like cheating. But IMO so is a 2000lb bare bones death box

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#59 Fightingfan

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="M3boarder23"] Lol god I hate Honda HP/Liter fanboys M3boarder23

It's not being a fanboy, it's giving credit where credit is due. I have my 302(1993 GT) v8 too, 210hp >.>

Talking down on Turbo cars is not simply giving credit where credits due

It's not as amazing as compared to inspired horses.

I can give a Honda Civic 500HP via turbo, but it won't touch a Ferrari Italia that has a little less then that(562 actually). Turbo is a lazy way car manufactures sell 'performance' to the masses.

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#60 Fightingfan

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] That's turbo though, turbo is bullsh*t horsepower.M3boarder23

What do you mean?

He means it's Like cheating. But IMO so is a 2000lb bare bones death box

In regards to my Civic I agree, it's 'cheating', but I'm talking Engine optimization.

BMW just doesn't have it compared to other manufacturer.

BMW is just name and they hold a certain 'regard' for their brand, they don't put sh*ty equipment in their cars.

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#61 CptJSparrow

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[QUOTE="M3boarder23"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] That's turbo though, turbo is bullsh*t horsepower.

What do you mean?

He means it's Like cheating. But IMO so is a 2000lb bare bones death box

Don't get me wrong, if I were in a situation like the OP to get whatever I wanted, I'd drop a 572ci in an old Chevelle SS.

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#62 Fightingfan

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="M3boarder23"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] What do you mean?

He means it's Like cheating. But IMO so is a 2000lb bare bones death box

Don't get me wrong, if I were in a situation like the OP to get whatever I wanted, I'd drop a 572ci in an old Chevelle SS.

That be interesting, I use to have a 396 in my 69 SS.

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#63 taterfrickintot

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not exactly sure how turbos are cheating. if it makes my car perform better, i dont see the problem.

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#64 muller39

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Mustang GT.

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#65 M3boarder23

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[QUOTE="M3boarder23"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] What do you mean?Fightingfan

He means it's Like cheating. But IMO so is a 2000lb bare bones death box

In regards to my Civic I agree, it's 'cheating', but I'm talking Engine optimization.

BMW just doesn't have it compared to other manufacturer.

BMW is just name and they hold a certain 'regard' for their brand, they don't put sh*ty equipment in their cars.

Again the E46 M3 CSL has 360 Horsepower out of 3.2 Liters.

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#66 M3boarder23

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not exactly sure how turbos are cheating. if it makes my car perform better, i dont see the problem.
taterfrickintot

HP/Liter is a Honda fanboy way of life

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#67 taterfrickintot

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[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]
not exactly sure how turbos are cheating. if it makes my car perform better, i dont see the problem.
M3boarder23

HP/Liter is a Honda fanboy way of life

whats wrong with a high performance car with a honda logo on it?

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#68 Fightingfan

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not exactly sure how turbos are cheating. if it makes my car perform better, i dont see the problem.
taterfrickintot

Instead of having the engine do the work you're letting the exhaust do it, but the best explanation is this. Jeremy Clarkson: ''exhaust gas is diverted into the turbocharger, witchcraft happens and then you go faster''.

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#69 Fightingfan

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]
[QUOTE="M3boarder23"] He means it's Like cheating. But IMO so is a 2000lb bare bones death boxM3boarder23

In regards to my Civic I agree, it's 'cheating', but I'm talking Engine optimization.

BMW just doesn't have it compared to other manufacturer.

BMW is just name and they hold a certain 'regard' for their brand, they don't put sh*ty equipment in their cars.

Again the E46 M3 CSL has 360 Horsepower out of 3.2 Liters.

How many cylinders? I assume 6? *googles*

I found this page, but can't seem to find all the specs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_S54

*Regardless that's an awesome engine like Honda's B-series just looking at the performance charts(Given that's not a v8)

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#70 M3boarder23

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[QUOTE="M3boarder23"][QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]
not exactly sure how turbos are cheating. if it makes my car perform better, i dont see the problem.
taterfrickintot

HP/Liter is a Honda fanboy way of life

whats wrong with a high performance car with a honda logo on it?

What the hell? How did what I said warrant your response?! Honda makes great cars and great engines, but the fanboys who base an engines performance purely on HP per Liter rub me the wrong way

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#71 taterfrickintot

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[QUOTE="M3boarder23"][QUOTE="taterfrickintot"][QUOTE="M3boarder23"] HP/Liter is a Honda fanboy way of life

whats wrong with a high performance car with a honda logo on it?

What the hell? How did what I said warrant your response?! Honda makes great cars and great engines, but the fanboys who base an engines performance purely on HP per Liter rub me the wrong way

Eh, I dont care where the horsepower comes from, as long as it has a lot of them, it can go around a corner properly, and it looks nice!

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#72 Fightingfan

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[QUOTE="M3boarder23"][QUOTE="taterfrickintot"][QUOTE="M3boarder23"] HP/Liter is a Honda fanboy way of life

whats wrong with a high performance car with a honda logo on it?

What the hell? How did what I said warrant your response?! Honda makes great cars and great engines, but the fanboys who base an engines performance purely on HP per Liter rub me the wrong way

It's just great optimization my friend is all I'm try to get at. Imagine if Chevy did that with their 6.2L Camaros, imagine if the 392 hemi did that too.

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#73 M3boarder23

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[QUOTE="M3boarder23"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]In regards to my Civic I agree, it's 'cheating', but I'm talking Engine optimization.BMW just doesn't have it compared to other manufacturer.BMW is just name and they hold a certain 'regard' for their brand, they don't put sh*ty equipment in their cars.Fightingfan

Again the E46 M3 CSL has 360 Horsepower out of 3.2 Liters.

How many cylinders? I assume 6? *googles*

112 HP per Liter 60 HP per cylinder

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#74 Fightingfan

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="M3boarder23"] Again the E46 M3 CSL has 360 Horsepower out of 3.2 Liters.M3boarder23

How many cylinders? I assume 6? *googles*

112 H{ per Liter 60 HP per cylinder

That's a great engine, almost in Ferrari's league. Just out of curiosity never played with a BMW/Mini what kind of stroke do they use?

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#75 taterfrickintot

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[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]
not exactly sure how turbos are cheating. if it makes my car perform better, i dont see the problem.
Fightingfan

Instead of having the engine do the work you're letting the exhaust do it, but the best explanation is this. Jeremy Clarkson: ''exhaust gas is diverted into the turbocharger, witchcraft happens and then you go faster''.

hahaha! i love jezza and his awesome quotes. but still, if the car performs better, i dont see the problem

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#77 M3boarder23

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[QUOTE="M3boarder23"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] How many cylinders? I assume 6? *googles*Fightingfan

112 H{ per Liter 60 HP per cylinder

That's a great engine, almost in Ferrari's league. Just out of curiosity never played with a BMW/Mini what kind of stroke do they use?

I dunno how accurate this is http://www.audi4life.com/2003-BMW-M3-CSL-E46.html

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#78 taterfrickintot

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]
not exactly sure how turbos are cheating. if it makes my car perform better, i dont see the problem.
thegerg

Instead of having the engine do the work you're letting the exhaust do it, but the best explanation is this. Jeremy Clarkson: ''exhaust gas is diverted into the turbocharger, witchcraft happens and then you go faster''.

You seem to be confused. It has nothing to do with witchcraft. Exhaust gasses spin a turbine. That turbine feeds air to the engine. The engine produces power. The engine is still doing work.

he doesnt actually think its witchcraft lol. the quote is suposed to be funny because it was jeremy clarkson explaining turbo even though he didnt understand it lol

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#79 Fightingfan

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]
not exactly sure how turbos are cheating. if it makes my car perform better, i dont see the problem.
thegerg

Instead of having the engine do the work you're letting the exhaust do it, but the best explanation is this. Jeremy Clarkson: ''exhaust gas is diverted into the turbocharger, witchcraft happens and then you go faster''.

You seem to be confused. It has nothing to do with witchcraft.

You're joking right?

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#81 Dark__Link

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] Instead of having the engine do the work you're letting the exhaust do it, but the best explanation is this. Jeremy Clarkson: ''exhaust gas is diverted into the turbocharger, witchcraft happens and then you go faster''.

You seem to be confused. It has nothing to do with witchcraft.

You're joking right?

No he's just incredibly literal.

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#82 M3boarder23

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Lol

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#83 Fightingfan

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[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="thegerg"] You seem to be confused. It has nothing to do with witchcraft.

You're joking right?

no

Well Mr. Clarkson was.

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#84 M3boarder23

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Get one of these: Yes this is my car btw, and my son in the drivers seat lol https://dl.dropbox.com/0/view/tqxk1jzzrhgavd7/Photo%20Feb%2025%2C%206%2036%2057%20PM.png Whoops I can't post pictures, somebody wanna post the pic for me?

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#86 Fightingfan

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[QUOTE="M3boarder23"]Get one of these: Yes this is my car btw, and my son in the drivers seat lol https://dl.dropbox.com/0/view/tqxk1jzzrhgavd7/Photo%20Feb%2025%2C%206%2036%2057%20PM.png Whoops I can't post pictures, somebody wanna post the pic for me?

What's the name? I use BMW cometic parts on my Civic, but the names are a pain to remember. They're like ei324 and bullsh*t like that.

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#87 M3boarder23

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="M3boarder23"]Get one of these: Yes this is my car btw, and my son in the drivers seat lol https://dl.dropbox.com/0/view/tqxk1jzzrhgavd7/Photo%20Feb%2025%2C%206%2036%2057%20PM.png Whoops I can't post pictures, somebody wanna post the pic for me?

What's the name? I use BMW cometic parts on my Civic, but the names are a pain to remember. They're like ei324 and bullsh*t like that.

Name of car or wheels?

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#88 Fightingfan

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="M3boarder23"]Get one of these: Yes this is my car btw, and my son in the drivers seat lol https://dl.dropbox.com/0/view/tqxk1jzzrhgavd7/Photo%20Feb%2025%2C%206%2036%2057%20PM.png Whoops I can't post pictures, somebody wanna post the pic for me? M3boarder23

What's the name? I use BMW cometic parts on my Civic, but the names are a pain to remember. They're like ei324 and bullsh*t like that.

Name of car or wheels?

Car. I can never name those BMWs I just call them 3 series, 4 series, 5series etc..

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#89 Fightingfan

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Here's my 'death box' prior to the modification, I got into a car accident and I'm re-doing the bodywork so I have no recent pics of it.

My fog lights in that picture belong to a 3 series 1998-2001 if I remember correctly.

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#90 M3boarder23

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="M3boarder23"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] What's the name? I use BMW cometic parts on my Civic, but the names are a pain to remember. They're like ei324 and bullsh*t like that.

Name of car or wheels?

Car. I can never name those BMWs I just call them 3 series, 4 series, 5series etc..

335i Twin Turbo Inline 6 and about 500HP

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#91 Fightingfan

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Well that was a good discussion/semi-debate. I still say Japanese engines FTW, and greg.... Well Greg...., you disappoint me.

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#93 Fightingfan

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[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Well that was a good discussion/semi-debate. I still say Japanese engines FTW, and greg.... Well Greg...., you disappoint me.

Maybe you should be disappointed that your car is cheating with bs power.

Witchcraft > Turbo.

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#94 M3boarder23

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Well that was a good discussion/semi-debate. I still say Japanese engines FTW, and greg.... Well Greg...., you disappoint me.

Meh my car has 4 times more torque

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#95 Fightingfan

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[QUOTE="M3boarder23"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Well that was a good discussion/semi-debate. I still say Japanese engines FTW, and greg.... Well Greg...., you disappoint me.

Meh my car has 4 times more torque

True, but are you a good enough drive to handle dat torque :P

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#97 Fightingfan

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[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="M3boarder23"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Well that was a good discussion/semi-debate. I still say Japanese engines FTW, and greg.... Well Greg...., you disappoint me.

Meh my car has 4 times more torque

I find it amusing that he talks about engines optimizing power but puts down engines that take further advantage of exhaust gasses. I'm not sure he knows what the word "optimizing" means.

They're are multiply ways we can determine the meaning of 'optimization' we have aerodynamics, power to weight ratio etc... I'm not gonna discuss every single one...

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#99 Fightingfan

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="thegerg"] I find it amusing that he talks about engines optimizing power but puts down engines that take further advantage of exhaust gasses. I'm not sure he knows what the word "optimizing" means. thegerg

They're are multiply ways we can determine the meaning of 'optimization' we have aerodynamics, power to weight ratio etc... I'm not gonna discuss every single one...

But praising the art of optimizing automotive performance while bashing one method of optimizing automotive performance is just plain silly.

Not really. For example. You can have 500 horse power, but your tires are square instead of circles. Work on the tires before you work on the engine.

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