Love & Hate, are they the same?

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#1 _R34LiTY_
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Sure the wordshave different meanings, but the obsession that comes with true love/hate seems similiar.

Can they be the same?

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#2 194197844077667059316682358889
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No.
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#3 Shad0ki11
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Love and hate are polar opposites.

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#4 deactivated-5f9ba38f308de
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No. What "obsession" are you talking about? I honestly don't believe you have felt "true" love/hate before, or anything even close.

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#5 Meinhard1
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Love and hate are polar opposites.

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Thus making a continuum with love on one side and hate on the other - in other words 'one thing'... TC I'm beginning to see your reasoning.
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It appears that way. Finally someone with a functioning brain.
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#7 Bedizen
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You should really look up the meaning of the word "same"

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#8 _R34LiTY_
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No. What "obsession" are you talking about?

Spirit_Warriors

You love someone, so you go out of your way to let that person know how much you love them

You hate someone, so you go out ofyour way to let that person know how much you hate them

the feelings can have such a grasp on you, it's sometimes overwhelming.

hows that one saying go? "You hate someone so much you almost love them" ... or something like that ....

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[QUOTE="Spirit_Warriors"]

No. What "obsession" are you talking about?

_R34LiTY_

You love someone, so you go out of your way to let that person know how much you love them

You hate someone, so you go out ofyour way to let that person know how much you hate them

the feelings can have such a grasp on you, it's sometimes overwhelming.

hows that one saying go? "You hate someone so much you almost love them" ... or something like that ....

I want a sandwich, so I go out of my way to eat a sandwich, so I guess love, hate and hunger are all three equivalent
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#10 btaylor2404
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They can be damn close.
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#11 _R34LiTY_
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[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

[QUOTE="Spirit_Warriors"]

No. What "obsession" are you talking about?

xaos

You love someone, so you go out of your way to let that person know how much you love them

You hate someone, so you go out of your way to let that person know how much you hate them

the feelings can have such a grasp on you, it's sometimes overwhelming.

hows that one saying go? "You hate someone so much you almost love them" ... or something like that ....

I want a sandwich, so I go out of my way to eat a sandwich, so I guess love, hate and hunger are all three equivalent

ugh,....

I'm talking about people. Why isitso hard to fathom that concept?

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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

You love someone, so you go out of your way to let that person know how much you love them

You hate someone, so you go out of your way to let that person know how much you hate them

the feelings can have such a grasp on you, it's sometimes overwhelming.

hows that one saying go? "You hate someone so much you almost love them" ... or something like that ....

_R34LiTY_

I want a sandwich, so I go out of my way to eat a sandwich, so I guess love, hate and hunger are all three equivalent

ugh,....

I'm talking about people. Why isitso hard to fathom that concept?

Because I think that grabbing a couple of arbitrary associations for concepts and giving those as proof that the two are somehow profoundly related is a pretty tenuous leap to make.
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#13 scorch-62
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No.xaos
/thread Love and hate are polar opposites.
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No.

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#15 alphamale1989
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But not everyone feels hate towards other human beings... :?

Sometimes I do hate the feeling of being in love though - like if it's something that would never work out and so you're left to 'brew' in your own well of emotions.

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Love/Hate relationships are interesting. I kinda have one with someone at my work. We were like, enemies from the start, we fought about everything, and always yelled at each other, never agreed on anything, and are very rude to each other. Even just completely ignored each other a couple times cause all it lead to was us fighting. Its like we have to always put each other down. Yet, we actually get along really well, we're always smiling at each other, complimenting each other, and we talk alot. Its like we have to be rude to each other, to show that we care. If that makes sense. Although the really funny part was when I started dating someone else, then she gets alittle upset every time my girlfriend is mentioned.
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#17 DigitalExile
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I'm not sure I've ever hated someone before. Like and dislike, I know those. But hate? I haven't the faintest clue. I say I hate a certain person, or people, but it's more just an extreme dislike.

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#18 McJugga
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[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] I want a sandwich, so I go out of my way to eat a sandwich, so I guess love, hate and hunger are all three equivalentxaos

ugh,....

I'm talking about people. Why isitso hard to fathom that concept?

Because I think that grabbing a couple of arbitrary associations for concepts and giving those as proof that the two are somehow profoundly related is a pretty tenuous leap to make.

:lol: This was so funny. :P
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[QUOTE="Spirit_Warriors"]

No. What "obsession" are you talking about?

_R34LiTY_

You love someone, so you go out of your way to let that person know how much you love them

You hate someone, so you go out ofyour way to let that person know how much you hate them

the feelings can have such a grasp on you, it's sometimes overwhelming.

hows that one saying go? "You hate someone so much you almost love them" ... or something like that ....

If I love someone then I will go out of my way to do what I can for them. However, When I hate someone they are not worth my time. I do not put any energy what so ever into them. The term your looking for is obsession. At no point does true love/hate control me.

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#20 _R34LiTY_
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[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] I want a sandwich, so I go out of my way to eat a sandwich, so I guess love, hate and hunger are all three equivalentxaos

ugh,....

I'm talking about people. Why isitso hard to fathom that concept?

Because I think that grabbing a couple of arbitrary associations for concepts and giving those as proof that the two are somehow profoundly related is a pretty tenuous leap to make.

Wellif you value material things as much as people, sure,...I guess I say it the way I do because I feel either/or for people only,

In any eventto love or hate, is to put an immense amount of thought and energy into something. Is what I mean.

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This is the most pretentious, pitiful, empty attempt at being philisophical I've seen for a while. Look, what your trying to suggest isn't even borderline interesting or intelligent, it's just obnoxious bull****.

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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

ugh,....

I'm talking about people. Why isitso hard to fathom that concept?

_R34LiTY_

Because I think that grabbing a couple of arbitrary associations for concepts and giving those as proof that the two are somehow profoundly related is a pretty tenuous leap to make.

Wellif you value material things as much as people, sure,...I guess I say it the way I do because I feel either/or for people only,

In any eventto love or hate, is to put an immense amount of thought and energy into something. Is what I mean.

You can make any two concepts sound the same with enough simplification and the correct terms but the bottom line is that "love" and "hate" are binary ****ing opposites.

/end of discussion.

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#23 mrbojangles25
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you obsess over things you love

you do your best to forget about things you hate.

theyre about as far apart as something can get imo

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[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] Because I think that grabbing a couple of arbitrary associations for concepts and giving those as proof that the two are somehow profoundly related is a pretty tenuous leap to make.Mu5uk0

Wellif you value material things as much as people, sure,...I guess I say it the way I do because I feel either/or for people only,

In any eventto love or hate, is to put an immense amount of thought and energy into something. Is what I mean.

You can make any two concepts sound the same with enough simplification and the correct terms but the bottom line is that "love" and "hate" are binary ****ing opposites.

/end of discussion.

they can both lead to obsession, they may come off as the same. it is why i say.

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#25 Mu5uk0
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[QUOTE="Mu5uk0"]

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

Wellif you value material things as much as people, sure,...I guess I say it the way I do because I feel either/or for people only,

In any eventto love or hate, is to put an immense amount of thought and energy into something. Is what I mean.

_R34LiTY_

You can make any two concepts sound the same with enough simplification and the correct terms but the bottom line is that "love" and "hate" are binary ****ing opposites.

/end of discussion.

they can both lead to obsession, they may come off as the same. it is why i say.

So can paranoia, anxiety, fear, curiosity, hunger, lust, envy and the list goes on. Just because two things can lead to obsession doesn't make them the same. I know you're probably trying to sound all philosophical and wise but you're coming off as a person who cannot distinguish between Yin and Yang, that's the stuff serial killers are made of.
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#26 alphamale1989
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Ok, I think some of us are being a little harsh on TC here. I think what he's doing here is trying to make sense of a love/hate relationship. Many of us including myself have never experienced such a thing, but thier is an example that I'm sure we can all relate to... STAR WARS. What Luke Skywalker felt towards Darth Vader [spoilers] his father [end spoilers] was probably a mix of love/hate. So in a way the two actually aren't polar opposites in that they can in rare circumstances be experienced together.
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Ok, I think some of us are being a little harsh on TC here. I think what he's doing here is trying to make sense of a love/hate relationship. Many of us including myself have never experienced such a thing, but thier is an example that I'm sure we can all relate to... STAR WARS. What Luke Skywalker felt towards Darth Vader [spoilers] his father [end spoilers] was probably a mix of love/hate. So in a way the two actually aren't polar opposites in that they can in rare circumstances be experienced together.alphamale1989

Luke didn't hate his father....

It's impossible to love and hate at the exact same time. I have no idea how anybody could possibly make that claim using any kind of rationality.

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Sure the wordshave... _R34LiTY_
Lawl... Word shave.
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#29 Mu5uk0
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Luke didn't hate his father....

It's impossible to love and hate at the exact same time. I have no idea how anybody could possibly make that claim using any kind of rationality.

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Thank you Astrapsody, I tried to respond to his post but got frustrated half-way through. You truly are a Magician Lord.
[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]Sure the wordshave... McJugga
Lawl... Word shave.

I lol'd.

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[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]Sure the wordshave... McJugga
Lawl... Word shave.

yea im in need of a new keyboard. the spacebar seems to fail quite a bit

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Ok, I think some of us are being a little harsh on TC here. I think what he's doing here is trying to make sense of a love/hate relationship. Many of us including myself have never experienced such a thing, but thier is an example that I'm sure we can all relate to... STAR WARS. What Luke Skywalker felt towards Darth Vader [spoilers] his father [end spoilers] was probably a mix of love/hate. So in a way the two actually aren't polar opposites in that they can in rare circumstances be experienced together.alphamale1989

Let them be like that. I'm sure they understand what I mean, they just being silly to be silly. And if they really cant grasp what i'm saying, well what can I say for them? Anyways, it makes slow nights like these a lil more active untitled.jpg happy picture by Scallywag66

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This is the most pretentious, pitiful, empty attempt at being philisophical I've seen for a while. Look, what your trying to suggest isn't even borderline interesting or intelligent, it's just obnoxious bull****.

HorseVillain

This, but with less adjectives, and definitely not "the most".

However the TC did cling in a cheap mexican soap opera cliche. There is a thin line that separates love and hate but a world of difference.

Also, true love is not about obsession

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Oh and lastly...Sure the essence that fuels our feelings are all the same, in a deep technical matter, but everything is the same in a deep technical matter

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[QUOTE="alphamale1989"]Ok, I think some of us are being a little harsh on TC here. I think what he's doing here is trying to make sense of a love/hate relationship. Many of us including myself have never experienced such a thing, but thier is an example that I'm sure we can all relate to... STAR WARS. What Luke Skywalker felt towards Darth Vader [spoilers] his father [end spoilers] was probably a mix of love/hate. So in a way the two actually aren't polar opposites in that they can in rare circumstances be experienced together.Astrapsody

Luke didn't hate his father....

It's impossible to love and hate at the exact same time. I have no idea how anybody could possibly make that claim using any kind of rationality.

Actually I would argue that the entire final duel hinges on this intense love/hate conflict that Luke has towards his father. http://tinyurl.com/yacr596 3:44 especially looks like hate. But ultimatly he shows love and compasion for his father during his final moments. I agree that love and hate are opposite things, but for some people insome cases they can be experienced together.
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I think they're close imo. When you love someone, you want to protect,provide, and please (The 3 p's). But love can easily turn into hate very very fast.
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[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

[QUOTE="Mu5uk0"] You can make any two concepts sound the same with enough simplification and the correct terms but the bottom line is that "love" and "hate" are binary ****ing opposites.

/end of discussion.

Mu5uk0

they can both lead to obsession, they may come off as the same. it is why i say.

So can paranoia, anxiety, fear, curiosity, hunger, lust, envy and the list goes on. Just because two things can lead to obsession doesn't make them the same. I know you're probably trying to sound all philosophical and wise but you're coming off as a person who cannot distinguish between Yin and Yang, that's the stuff serial killers are made of.

No, I'm not trying to sound like anything. More so that I'm just examining my relationship with my baby's mama and have been trying to make sense ofhow we feel towards each other right now that leads me to conclude that.

some scientist seem to conclude the same with their own scientific explanation of the two emotions.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-prove-it-really-is-a-thin-line-between-love-and-hate-976901.html

How do you think you come off as trying to assume you know why I'm posting a simple subject?

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They can be damn close.btaylor2404
I'm going to go with this. When you love someone, you constantly think about them, talk about them, care about them, etc. When you hate someone, you constantly think about them, talk about them, care about how good or bad they do, etc.
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[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]They can be damn close.Sajedene
I'm going to go with this. When you love someone, you constantly think about them, talk about them, care about them, etc. When you hate someone, you constantly think about them, talk about them, care about how good or bad they do, etc.

I think this is the best answer.
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Love and hate are polar opposites.

Shad0ki11

Actually, Love and Fear are polar opposites. Most hate is a subset of some type of fear.

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Love and hate around nothing alike unless you mess around with loves cousin then you will probably get a visit from hate.....
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Love and hate around nothing alike unless you mess around with loves cousin then you will probably get a visit from hate.....CoolSkAGuy

I've seen you post quite a lot and only now have I realised your screen name is not "CookieGuy" and your avatar is not a cartoon cookie.

I think... I think I need to go and re-evaluate my life now.

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#42 LJS9502_basic
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No they aren't. They are opposite emotions.
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#43 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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The only similarity is that they are both strong emotions...other than that...there's no way they can be the same...

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#44 HitomiChan
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No.

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same answer for me. :P
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#46 Astrapsody
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It's not letting me quote you, alphamale, but here's my response to your last post.

Does he ever experience both emotions at the exact same time? No. I would actually make the argument that if Luke had truly hated his father, he would have finished him off. He more or less hated the Sith for what they did to his father. However, all this doesn't matter, since my first point stands regardless.

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2 sides, same coin. But vastly different pathways to get there and conclusions.
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[QUOTE="Astrapsody"]

It's not letting me quote you, alphamale, but here's my response to your last post.

Does he ever experience both emotions at the exact same time? No. I would actually make the argument that if Luke had truly hated his father, he would have finished him off. He more or less hated the Sith for what they did to his father. However, all this doesn't matter, since my first point stands regardless.

wait wait. did a discussion about love and hate become about luke and darth vader? this is awesome, i must read
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[QUOTE="CoolSkAGuy"]Love and hate around nothing alike unless you mess around with loves cousin then you will probably get a visit from hate.....DigitalExile

I've seen you post quite a lot and only now have I realised your screen name is not "CookieGuy" and your avatar is not a cartoon cookie.

I think... I think I need to go and re-evaluate my life now.

or maybe you should go get some cookies :3
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#50 Astrapsody
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[QUOTE="Astrapsody"]

It's not letting me quote you, alphamale, but here's my response to your last post.

Does he ever experience both emotions at the exact same time? No. I would actually make the argument that if Luke had truly hated his father, he would have finished him off. He more or less hated the Sith for what they did to his father. However, all this doesn't matter, since my first point stands regardless.

Jandurin

wait wait. did a discussion about love and hate become about luke and darth vader? this is awesome, i must read

Yes. His argument was...interesting.