Love & Hate, are they the same?

Yes. His argument was...interesting.

Astrapsody

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

Love and hate are polar opposites.

MystikFollower

Actually, Love and Fear are polar opposites. Most hate is a subset of some type of fear.

that something I've read also

That the only true emotions people feel areLove & Fear, and that every other emotionbranches either directly or indirectly from either/or. That it somehow effects the structure of our DNA by manipulating the number of amino acid codes that are turned on. That we have 64 possible codes but only 20 active in our structure and that Love/Fear can create or take away 'DNA antenna'(so to speak) and turn on the other amino acid codes.

meh, im just rying to figure out my thing with my lady.

Two extreme opposites are always easily mistaken for one another.
Love/hate.
Wisdom/stupidity.
Etc.

I can't upload pictures anymore without signing in apparently. (FU imageshack/photobucket)

Two extreme opposites are always easily mistaken for one another.
Love/hate.
Wisdom/stupidity.
Etc.

KungfuKitten

Not really.. The obsession that can at times accompany your feelings of love makes you want to think about the person you love, even if at times it causes you pain and so on.

True hate, makes you want to forget the person exists, and when you realise they do actually exist, like when you hear their voice, it just pisses you off or irritates you.

Atleast off the top of my head thats what I think.
I'm too tired to think about it any more indepth ._.

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

Two extreme opposites are always easily mistaken for one another.
Love/hate.
Wisdom/stupidity.
Etc.

Jandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Astrapsody"]

It's not letting me quote you, alphamale, but here's my response to your last post.

Does he ever experience both emotions at the exact same time? No. I would actually make the argument that if Luke had truly hated his father, he would have finished him off. He more or less hated the Sith for what they did to his father. However, all this doesn't matter, since my first point stands regardless.

Astrapsody

Yes. His argument was...interesting.

[QUOTE="Astrapsody"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] wait wait. did a discussion about love and hate become about luke and darth vader? this is awesome, i must readxaos

Yes. His argument was...interesting.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

Two extreme opposites are always easily mistaken for one another.
Love/hate.
Wisdom/stupidity.
Etc.

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] lol, how do wisdom and stupidity get confused :lol:Jandurin

And i secretly think this is inherently true because everything is a thought. Which probably sounds ridiculous as well.

KungfuKitten

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

And i secretly think this is inherently true because everything is a thought. Which probably sounds ridiculous as well.

xaos

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

And i secretly think this is inherently true because everything is a thought. Which probably sounds ridiculous as well.

xaos

I may be wrong, but I think he means the observer effect or the measurement problem

the measurement problem is just the effect of an atom and how it takes it's place in any particular spot in the universe if you measure it. So an atom is spread throughout the entire spectrum of the horizon until a conciouss observer decides to look at it. So then, the act of measurement and/or observation makes up the entire universe, including you and me. This physical world is nothing because even an atom is made almost entirely out of empty space.

or something like that...

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

And i secretly think this is inherently true because everything is a thought. Which probably sounds ridiculous as well.

_R34LiTY_

I may be wrong, but I think he means the observer effect or the measurement problem

the measurement problem is just the effect of an atom and how it takes it's place in any particular spot in the universe if you measure it. So an atom is spread throughout the entire spectrum of the horizon until a conciouss observer decides to look at it. So then, the act of measurement and/or observation makes up the entire universe, including you and me. This physical world is nothing because even an atom is made almost entirely out of empty space.

or something like that...

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] Poor guy was crossing the street without looking and WHAM he got hit by a thoughtxaos

I may be wrong, but I think he means the observer effect or the measurement problem

the measurement problem is just the effect of an atom and how it takes it's place in any particular spot in the universe if you measure it. So an atom is spread throughout the entire spectrum of the horizon until a conciouss observer decides to look at it. So then, the act of measurement and/or observation makes up the entire universe, including you and me. This physical world is nothing because even an atom is made almost entirely out of empty space.

or something like that...

Yea i still have to get my head around to understand this whole quantum mechanics deal. What i find interesting is as you said, you can put an atom into an empty space and shoot photons and how the light will align itself with the dna, removethe DNAand the photons stay in the same pattern/design as what they clung unto. Or maybe I have that still misunderstood.

This stuff GREAT and is very complicated at times, but I think it seriously narrows the gap between 'real & ethereal'

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

I may be wrong, but I think he means the observer effect or the measurement problem

the measurement problem is just the effect of an atom and how it takes it's place in any particular spot in the universe if you measure it. So an atom is spread throughout the entire spectrum of the horizon until a conciouss observer decides to look at it. So then, the act of measurement and/or observation makes up the entire universe, including you and me. This physical world is nothing because even an atom is made almost entirely out of empty space.

or something like that...

_R34LiTY_

Yea i still have to get my head around to understand this whole quantum mechanics deal. What i find interesting is as you said, you can put an atom into an empty space and shoot photons and how the light will align itself with the dna, removethe DNAand the photons stay in the same pattern/design as what they clung unto. Or maybe I have that still misunderstood.

This stuff GREAT and is very complicated at times, but I think it seriously narrows the gap between 'real & ethereal'

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] I'm not at all jumping on you for this, but this is a common postmodern misrepresentation of probability collapse. At the quantum scale, yes things are weirdly non-specific until measured. However, measurement does not require a conscious mind, but rather a particle interaction. For instance, measuring the position of a single atom using a beam of coherent photons. The interaction of a photon with the atom causes the probability wave of the atom to collapse and fixes the atom at a particular position in space and time at the instant of measurement. Of course, the observer effect would also include the uncertainty principle, but that has less to do with the stuff you are talking about and would be super tangential :) More on point, I did get KFKitten's intent., I was just having fun with the words, but appreciate the clarificationKungfuKitten

Yea i still have to get my head around to understand this whole quantum mechanics deal. What i find interesting is as you said, you can put an atom into an empty space and shoot photons and how the light will align itself with the dna, removethe DNAand the photons stay in the same pattern/design as what they clung unto. Or maybe I have that still misunderstood.

This stuff GREAT and is very complicated at times, but I think it seriously narrows the gap between 'real & ethereal'

Right. is kinda the same premise, but without the science hooplah. i mean because afterall, whether it's the measurement/observer effect or the non scientific, both examplify the concept that everything is a thought.

The bigger question from here on then,if anything,would be, who's thought?

Love and hate are polar opposites.

Shad0ki11

this man is right

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"][QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

Yea i still have to get my head around to understand this whole quantum mechanics deal. What i find interesting is as you said, you can put an atom into an empty space and shoot photons and how the light will align itself with the dna, removethe DNAand the photons stay in the same pattern/design as what they clung unto. Or maybe I have that still misunderstood.

This stuff GREAT and is very complicated at times, but I think it seriously narrows the gap between 'real & ethereal'

_R34LiTY_

Right. is kinda the same premise, but without the science hooplah. i mean because afterall, whether it's the measurement/observer effect or the non scientific, both examplify the concept that everything is a thought.

The bigger question from here on then,if anything,would be, who's thought?

[QUOTE="Astrapsody"]

[QUOTE="alphamale1989"]Ok, I think some of us are being a little harsh on TC here. I think what he's doing here is trying to make sense of a love/hate relationship. Many of us including myself have never experienced such a thing, but thier is an example that I'm sure we can all relate to... STAR WARS. What Luke Skywalker felt towards Darth Vader was probably a mix of love/hate. So in a way the two actually aren't polar opposites in that they can in rare circumstances be experienced together.alphamale1989

Luke didn't hate his father....

It's impossible to love and hate at the exact same time. I have no idea how anybody could possibly make that claim using any kind of rationality.

[QUOTE="CoolSkAGuy"]Love and hate around nothing alike unless you mess around with loves cousin then you will probably get a visit from hate.....DigitalExile

I've seen you post quite a lot and only now have I realised your screen name is not "CookieGuy" and your avatar is not a cartoon cookie.

I think... I think I need to go and re-evaluate my life now.

Obsession is not the same as love. Obsession is aperversion. Hate is a perversion. There is no relation, not unless you are apervert.

Obsession is not the same as love. Obsession is aperversion. Hate is a perversion. There is no relation, not unless you are apervert.

MagnumPI

perhaps i used the wrong word, but both canignite a passion so strong that can sometimes consume you

yes, the words mean different,...like light/dark - dry/wet - evil/good - white/black - Love/fear, but the drive that comes with hate and love often seems alike. Not everyone hates in the same way, but those that constantly pursue the people they hate just to let them know that they hate them, that passion is what i mean, and I think that's where my lady and I are at right now. Thats if I can even still call her 'my lady' at this point...

Anyone with the slightest amount of intelligence would know that love and hate are different.