LOVE has no GENDER!

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="savinger"]

Whoa you are all over the place. We were talking about nature... natural, remember?

savinger

Im simply pointing out that naturally, nature is set up in favor of the heterosexual.

[QUOTE="savinger"]

Im simply pointing out that naturally, nature is set up in favor of the heterosexual.

DeeJayInphinity

Ahh but again, their goal isn't to reproduce, and they can have children if they really want to. A female homosexual can have sperm injected in her by her doctor and she can produce a new human being.DeeJayInphinity

Are you dumping this into the "natural" genre?

Haha, I'm leaving this thread. The fact that some of you can honestly argue the position that nature doesn't favor the heterosexual is mind-boggling. savinger

Haha, I'm leaving this thread. The fact that some of you can honestly argue the position that nature doesn't favor the heterosexual is mind-boggling. savinger

Agreed. This isn't even arguable. Reproduction is pretty much life's purpose.

[QUOTE="savinger"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="savinger"]

Whoa you are all over the place. We were talking about nature... natural, remember?

DeeJayInphinity

Im simply pointing out that naturally, nature is set up in favor of the heterosexual.

Homosexuality is one thing, but lets not open the can of worms regaurding children shall we? As far as i've read, have two of the same gender raise a child has negative psychological effects. It's similiar to a single parent raising a kid. The child only gets information, lessons, feedback from one gender, when children actually need 2 parents 1 of each gender raising them. There are several studies on the matter, if i feel like it, i might google it or quote a textbook later.

But it's not about what they're *GOAL* is. What he's saying is, being attracted to the same sex is going against nature. You are tossing out that programming. So either humans are starting to get confused psychologically or we have a hormonal imbalance problem that people refuse to fix simply because of PC. Soon we'll shut down Insane Asylum's because it's "Okay to be crazy".

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]Ahh but again, their goal isn't to reproduce, and they can have children if they really want to. A female homosexual can have sperm injected in her by her doctor and she can produce a new human being.savinger

Are you dumping this into the "natural" genre?

Haha, I'm leaving this thread. The fact that some of you can honestly argue the position that nature doesn't favor the heterosexual is mind-boggling. savinger

It is mind gobbling religion doesn't favor the tolerant:|

But it's not about what they're *GOAL* is. What he's saying is, being attracted to the same sex is going against nature. Tolwan

Haha, I'm leaving this thread. The fact that some of you can honestly argue the position that nature doesn't favor the heterosexual is mind-boggling. savinger

[QUOTE="VacantPsalm"]Does it have an age?PC_X360

No!

then how does it perfect as time passes...:o

[QUOTE="Tolwan"]But it's not about what they're *GOAL* is. What he's saying is, being attracted to the same sex is going against nature. DeeJayInphinity

You have got to be kidding me. What college did you go to? I want to slap your professors. I'm leaving, this isnt going anywhere...

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Tolwan"]But it's not about what they're *GOAL* is. What he's saying is, being attracted to the same sex is going against nature. Tolwan

You have got to be kidding me. What college did you go to? I want to slap your professors. I'm leaving, this isnt going anywhere...

[QUOTE="Tolwan"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Tolwan"]But it's not about what they're *GOAL* is. What he's saying is, being attracted to the same sex is going against nature. DeeJayInphinity

You have got to be kidding me. What college did you go to? I want to slap your professors. I'm leaving, this isnt going anywhere...

I'm sorry, i wasnt aware i had insulted you. I insulted your professors though :P. And no, i didnt lose the argument. You're just changing the definition of..pretty much everything, so that it suits your ideology.

[QUOTE="Tolwan"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Tolwan"]But it's not about what they're *GOAL* is. What he's saying is, being attracted to the same sex is going against nature. DeeJayInphinity

You have got to be kidding me. What college did you go to? I want to slap your professors. I'm leaving, this isnt going anywhere...

[QUOTE="savinger"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="savinger"]

Whoa you are all over the place. We were talking about nature... natural, remember?

DeeJayInphinity

Im simply pointing out that naturally, nature is set up in favor of the heterosexual.

Is it natural for me to fly? You are putting everything into the "natural" category. Tell me something unnatural and I'll tell you it's natural, just because it exists, according to you.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="savinger"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="savinger"]

Whoa you are all over the place. We were talking about nature... natural, remember?

savinger

Im simply pointing out that naturally, nature is set up in favor of the heterosexual.

Is it natural for me to fly?

I'm sorry, i wasnt aware i had insulted you. I insulted your professors though :P. And no, i didnt lose the argument. You're just changing the definition of..pretty much everything, so that it suits your ideology.

Tolwan

Is it natural for me to fly? You are putting everything into the "natural" category.

savinger

[QUOTE="Tolwan"]

I'm sorry, i wasnt aware i had insulted you. I insulted your professors though :P. And no, i didnt lose the argument. You're just changing the definition of..pretty much everything, so that it suits your ideology.

DeeJayInphinity

Sorry, wrong again. I just re-read all my posts. Nowhere do i see myself insulting people. As a matter of fact, for the most part i think i remained respectful. Nature, my dear poster. Is what we're genetically predisposed to do. Do you think me ripping off my leg and chewing on it spontaneously would be considered natural? No, something is obviously wrong with me and i need to be treated. This is no different.

[QUOTE="savinger"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="savinger"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="savinger"]

Whoa you are all over the place. We were talking about nature... natural, remember?

linkthewindow

Im simply pointing out that naturally, nature is set up in favor of the heterosexual.

Is it natural for me to fly?

Oh man. Do we need to Reporduce? uh oh, choose wisely...

[QUOTE="savinger"]

Is it natural for me to fly? You are putting everything into the "natural" category.

DeeJayInphinity

You have your feet in both camps. Earlier you say that injecting sperm is natural, but using other science and technologies (such as planes) is not. make up your mind please.

Sorry, wrong again. I just re-read all my posts. Nowhere do i see myself insulting people. As a matter of fact, for the most part i think i remained respectful. Nature, my dear poster. Is what we're genetically predisposed to do. Do you think me ripping off my leg and chewing on it spontaneously would be considered natural? No, something is obviously wrong with me and i need to be treated. This is no different.

Tolwan

[QUOTE="linkthewindow"][QUOTE="savinger"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="savinger"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="savinger"]

Whoa you are all over the place. We were talking about nature... natural, remember?

savinger

Im simply pointing out that naturally, nature is set up in favor of the heterosexual.

Is it natural for me to fly?

Oh man. Do we need to Reporduce? uh oh, choose wisely...

I am guessing you are only gonna have sex when you are going for children then:?

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="savinger"]

Is it natural for me to fly? You are putting everything into the "natural" category.

savinger

You have your feet in both camps. Earlier you say that injecting sperm is natural, but using other science and technologies is not. make up your mind please.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Tolwan"]

I'm sorry, i wasnt aware i had insulted you. I insulted your professors though :P. And no, i didnt lose the argument. You're just changing the definition of..pretty much everything, so that it suits your ideology.

Tolwan

Sorry, wrong again. I just re-read all my posts. Nowhere do i see myself insulting people. As a matter of fact, for the most part i think i remained respectful. Nature, my dear poster. Is what we're genetically predisposed to do. Do you think me ripping off my leg and chewing on it spontaneously would be considered natural? No, something is obviously wrong with me and i need to be treated. This is no different.

[QUOTE="savinger"][QUOTE="linkthewindow"][QUOTE="savinger"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="savinger"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="savinger"]

Whoa you are all over the place. We were talking about nature... natural, remember?

C-Himura

Im simply pointing out that naturally, nature is set up in favor of the heterosexual.

Is it natural for me to fly?

Oh man. Do we need to Reporduce? uh oh, choose wisely...

I am guessing you are only gonna have sex when you are going for children then:?

The only reason we *want* to have sex is for the purpose of reproduction. We have merely used our intelligence to usurp that urge and dominate it with birth control. We can now give in to that urge without actually having children.

[QUOTE="savinger"]

Oh man. Do we need to Reporduce? uh oh, choose wisely...

C-Himura

I am guessing you are only gonna have sex when you are going for children then:?

Not the question. Try answering again.

[QUOTE="Tolwan"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="Tolwan"]

I'm sorry, i wasnt aware i had insulted you. I insulted your professors though :P. And no, i didnt lose the argument. You're just changing the definition of..pretty much everything, so that it suits your ideology.

linkthewindow

Sorry, wrong again. I just re-read all my posts. Nowhere do i see myself insulting people. As a matter of fact, for the most part i think i remained respectful. Nature, my dear poster. Is what we're genetically predisposed to do. Do you think me ripping off my leg and chewing on it spontaneously would be considered natural? No, something is obviously wrong with me and i need to be treated. This is no different.

I do believe i commented on this in an earlier post, please look through it. Let me know if i didnt.

I find it ironic that all these heterosexuals feel that they are the authority on another's sexuality. The ignorance in this thread is depressing.

No one would rightly choose to be gay especially with the amount of people in this thread alone saying it's 'wrong' and 'unnatural'. People are born gay There's evidence to suggest it's genetic. Numerous homosexuals have said that they always knew they were different before they realised their sexuality. The only "choice" is whether to pursue the lifestyle or not.

The only reason we *want* to have sex is for the purpose of reproduction. We have merely used our intelligence to usurp that urge and dominate it with birth control. We can now give in to that urge without actually having children.

Tolwan

You do know that people have tried anti-conceptive methods long before last century, right? So basically, sex has been "usurped" for centuries.

And if you think the only reason humans want to have sex is to reproduce, then you are very wrong.

I do believe i commented on this in an earlier post, please look through it. Let me know if i didnt.

Tolwan

[QUOTE="Tolwan"]

Sorry, wrong again. I just re-read all my posts. Nowhere do i see myself insulting people. As a matter of fact, for the most part i think i remained respectful. Nature, my dear poster. Is what we're genetically predisposed to do. Do you think me ripping off my leg and chewing on it spontaneously would be considered natural? No, something is obviously wrong with me and i need to be treated. This is no different.

DeeJayInphinity

Honestly? I can't believe I'm still here debating against such illogical arguments. What is natural for some species by no means makes it natural for others. If you experience the urge to eat another human, please, seek help.

[QUOTE="linkthewindow"][QUOTE="savinger"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="savinger"]

Whoa you are all over the place. We were talking about nature... natural, remember?

Tolwan

Im simply pointing out that naturally, nature is set up in favor of the heterosexual.

This too can be the result of hormonal imbalance. Everyone knows though that all animals, humans included, are genetically programmed to be attracted and drawn to the opposite sex. It is a necessary genetic componant for survival.

There you go link. As you can see, yes, i did make a post on it.

Honestly? I can't believe I'm still here debating against such illogical arguments. What is natural for some species by no means makes it natural for others. If you experience the urge to eat another human, please, seek help.

savinger

[QUOTE="savinger"]

Honestly? I can't believe I'm still here debating against such illogical arguments. What is natural for some species by no means makes it natural for others. If you experience the urge to eat another human, please, seek help.

DeeJayInphinity

I think we have different definitions of nature. According to you, if i have sex with a 2 year old, eat my father, crap in my child's crib, and mate with a penguin, it's still all natural. It's not worth arguing with you. I'm going to bed all, i'll try and catch up later.

[QUOTE="savinger"]

Honestly? I can't believe I'm still here debating against such illogical arguments. What is natural for some species by no means makes it natural for others. If you experience the urge to eat another human, please, seek help.

DeeJayInphinity

Homosexuals. Did I win? The post above me put the argument to rest. Now I can go watch Scrubs.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="savinger"]

Honestly? I can't believe I'm still here debating against such illogical arguments. What is natural for some species by no means makes it natural for others. If you experience the urge to eat another human, please, seek help.

Tolwan

I think we have different definitions of nature. According to you, if i have sex with a 2 year old, eat my father, crap in my child's crib, and mate with a penguin, it's still all natural. It's not worth arguing with you. I'm going to bed all, i'll try and catch up later.

I think we have different definitions of nature. According to you, if i have sex with a 2 year old, eat my father, crap in my child's crib, and mate with a penguin, it's still all natural. It's not worth arguing with you. I'm going to bed all, i'll try and catch up later.

Tolwan

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="savinger"]

Honestly? I can't believe I'm still here debating against such illogical arguments. What is natural for some species by no means makes it natural for others. If you experience the urge to eat another human, please, seek help.

savinger

Homosexuals. Did I win?

Well it does. We are all pre-programmed to love the opposite sexTolwan

Some aren't.

un·nat·u·ral
1.contrary to the laws or course of nature.
2.at variance with the character or nature of a person, animal, or plant.

In our genetics, we are programmed to have urges for sex with the opposite gender. We are *not* programmed to have sex with the same gender. Nature intends we have sex with the opposite gender, through evolution it has become necessary to have sex with the opposite gender to reproduce, and thus we have formed genetic instincts to have sex with the opposite gender. Doing otherwise is against the course of nature. Natural genetic programming isnt what's telling you to have sex with the same sex, so it's not natural. It could be a chemical imbalance, it could be a sociological disorder due to current society, there are many possibilities, but it is not natural. I really dont think it's going to be possible to argue with you.

For the most part, homosexual individuals cannot choose whether or not they want to be because deep down inside they like the same gender.

And you know what, I think I have to agree that while homosexuality may APPEAR unnatural, it really is. Think about it, billions of people on the planet, not enough food to feed them, and the population continues to rise. Well, what is to stop those who don't have children? Unlike in the wild there is no longer a need to reproduce, because modern society makes it possible to survive without them. So in a way, Homosexuality is sort of a logical step, at least for now. And they should be allowed to adopt, most certianly. There are so many children in orphanages and such that need help. And while there may be some minor effects of being raised by a same sex couple, I think the tolerance and open-mindedness that comes with it far outweighs the cons

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]Homosexuality is just as natural as anything else man has ever done and will ever do. It's as natural as love, as natural as our hands, legs, and skeletal system.. it's just nature.
Having said that, I have no problem with what they're doing.savinger

Absolutely Ridiculous. "Natural?" If we are talking nature here, I would point you in the direction of a biology book. Reproduction seems pretty natural to me.

Sexual attraction seems pretty natural to me.

un·nat·u·ral
1.contrary to the laws or course of nature.
2.at variance with the character or nature of a person, animal, or plant.

In our genetics, we are programmed to have urges for sex with the opposite gender. We are *not* programmed to have sex with the same gender. Nature intends we have sex with the opposite gender, through evolution it has become necessary to have sex with the opposite gender to reproduce, and thus we have formed genetic instincts to have sex with the opposite gender. Doing otherwise is against the course of nature. Natural genetic programming isnt what's telling you to have sex with the same sex, so it's not natural. It could be a chemical imbalance, it could be a sociological disorder due to current society, there are many possibilities, but it is not natural. I really dont think it's going to be possible to argue with you.

Tolwan

And since when is being "Natural" good? It was natural for a plantation owner to buy slaves from Africa a long time ago, did that make it any more justified? Group mentality only results in emotional and mental retardation, the hunter gatherer days are over and we have to accept that we have pretty much defied evolution, Nature can no longer save us, only we can.

un·nat·u·ral
1.contrary to the laws or course of nature.
2.at variance with the character or nature of a person, animal, or plant.

In our genetics, we are programmed to have urges for sex with the opposite gender. We are *not* programmed to have sex with the same gender. Nature intends we have sex with the opposite gender, through evolution it has become necessary to have sex with the opposite gender to reproduce, and thus we have formed genetic instincts to have sex with the opposite gender. Doing otherwise is against the course of nature. Natural genetic programming isnt what's telling you to have sex with the same sex, so it's not natural. It could be a chemical imbalance, it could be a sociological disorder due to current society, there are many possibilities, but it is not natural. I really dont think it's going to be possible to argue with you.

Tolwan