Maine may force schools to allow boys to use girls bathrooms

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#201 worlock77
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Single toilet bathrooms? Or the much-more-common (at least in K-12 schools) dozens of stalls and/or urinals in a single bathroom?

whipassmt

Stalls and urinals. I've peed with pretty much everybody.

Like we really want to know who you've peed with.

"pretty much everybody". So I guess that means you've even peed with Saddam Hussein. Apparently he was hiding out in the bathroom hoping G. Duby wouldn't hunt him down.

Not entirely positive if being serious...

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#202 Bucked20
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Oh wow I wish they did that at my school

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#203 Theokhoth
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Look what else conservatives are whining over: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/23/BAI51JJQ35.DTL Nevermind that the kids have no problem with it, and that it's only nourished their development. BIOLOGY IS BAD!!
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#204 drufeous
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Quit being prudes and go where you need to. If I was female though, I'd be pissed. Guys restrooms are nasty.

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#205 Lockedge
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I think this transgender stuff is bs. I mean, honestly, you're born with the body that's given to you and if you feel the other way, that's your problem. It's outrageous that this would be tolerated. Lots of boys will take advantage of this and more problems will arise because of this.

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So if you're born with something, and you find it to be an issue, then you should just deal with it? I guess people with Cleft palates should just stop getting surgery. People born with bad organs shouldn't get transplants. Blood transfusions? Beh, if your body needs more blood it'll make more itself.
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Unless they have an operation, you got to use the appropriate bathroom. Those with boy parts use the mens room. Those with girls use the woman's room. I highly doubt that peeing in the boys room is going to mess with you if you were born with male organs and XY chromsomes. Or vice versa. You can change it later, but until then, use the proper facilities.

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Exactly. Pre op...no. Post op...okay.

I'm not entirely sure if you all understand that the likelihood of being allowed to get SRS before you're 18 is microscopically slim(at least in North America). Because it's not covered by insurance or medicare, it's a hell of a lot of money. The chance of a teen fully transitioning and getting SRS before they finish high school is virtually nonexistent. I'll re-iterate that a commitment should be made in terms of the individual presenting as one gender full-time before such privileges are given regarding washroom freedoms. Requiring surgery is just ludicrous though.
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#206 Lockedge
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[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

Wait...Why are we going through such lengths so help such a small percentage of the population? I know I sound rude...but this seems it will do more harm then good... Also I thought bathrooms have to deal with what is between your legs. Not what you want between them.

MgamerBD
I for one am against blanket changes like this without supervision(although I hope they plan for supervision). On an individual case level, it makes sense. Especially if the trans individual is full-time and passing(where normal regulations would have a transwoman high schol senior, for instance, use the men's washroom regardless of presentation), where it would be dangerous for the individual to be forced to out themselves in such a way and expose themselves to elevated odds of danger.

If I understand what you are saying...then I agree completely :P. I believe bathrooms is one of the only things in this world that should be black and white. When they get the surgery then they can go in the whichever bathroom they feel comfortable in. Until then...No.

Well, I wouldn't go as far as requiring the surgery, however, I would require that hormones are administered, because that would show the individual's commitment to transition, and their commitment to working towards getting the eventual SRS. The surgery would be ideal as a gatekeeper, but it's very expensive and is not covered by almost any insurance company. The minimum age is 18, barring exceptions(of which I'm not aware of any in North America). Forcing the individual to wait that long would put them at risk going to the washroom in public. So long as they fully present as one gender, and are backed by therapists, I don't see why one would bar them from being able to choose whichever washroom they deem more fitting.
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#207 leviathan91
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[QUOTE="leviathan91"] So if you're born with something, and you find it to be an issue, then you should just deal with it? I guess people with Cleft palates should just stop getting surgery. People born with bad organs shouldn't get transplants. Blood transfusions? Beh, if your body needs more blood it'll make more itself. [QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Unless they have an operation, you got to use the appropriate bathroom. Those with boy parts use the mens room. Those with girls use the woman's room. I highly doubt that peeing in the boys room is going to mess with you if you were born with male organs and XY chromsomes. Or vice versa. You can change it later, but until then, use the proper facilities.

Lockedge

Exactly. Pre op...no. Post op...okay.

I'm not entirely sure if you all understand that the likelihood of being allowed to get SRS before you're 18 is microscopically slim(at least in North America). Because it's not covered by insurance or medicare, it's a hell of a lot of money. The chance of a teen fully transitioning and getting SRS before they finish high school is virtually nonexistent. I'll re-iterate that a commitment should be made in terms of the individual presenting as one gender full-time before such privileges are given regarding washroom freedoms. Requiring surgery is just ludicrous though.

That's different. People should get surgeries for something that could potentially harm them. And it's irrelevant to sex changes which are completely unnecessary. I'm not convinced that a person can be "confused" and want to feel like a man/woman. It's even worse when dealing with children and teenagers. It just seems more like an excuse to escape the body that's given to you.

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#208 arad96
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Sounds cool to me. To the girl's locker room! :D

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#209 LJS9502_basic
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I'm not entirely sure if you all understand that the likelihood of being allowed to get SRS before you're 18 is microscopically slim(at least in North America). Because it's not covered by insurance or medicare, it's a hell of a lot of money. The chance of a teen fully transitioning and getting SRS before they finish high school is virtually nonexistent. I'll re-iterate that a commitment should be made in terms of the individual presenting as one gender full-time before such privileges are given regarding washroom freedoms. Requiring surgery is just ludicrous though.Lockedge
Then use the restroom where the physical traits are dominant.

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#210 Solid_Snake325
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Let's simplify this. You're born with a penis you're a guy. You're born with a vagina you're a girl. End of story. Good Lord.
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#211 Lockedge
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That's different. People should get surgeries for something that could potentially harm them. And it's irrelevant to sex changes which are completely unnecessary. I'm not convinced that a person can be "confused" and want to feel like a man/woman. It's even worse when dealing with children and teenagers. It just seems more like an excuse to escape the body that's given to you.

leviathan91

I understand why it's difficult for you to comprehend. It's something you need to experience to fully get.
But this isn't just some minimal confusion. It's not someone thinking "Oh, I wish I had awesome abs" or "I like breasts on girls and it would be convenient to have a pair of my own" or some crap like that.

Nearly half of living trans people–surviving trans people–have attempted suicide.
This is not some petty excuse or trouble. This condition isn't harmless to the individuals who have it. I've lost transsexual friends to suicide. A fair amount of my trans friends have been sexually and/or physically assaulted. If we could take a pill and get rid of it we would. If there was medication to cure this 100% we'd take it and live normal lives, but there isn't.

There's no fix, no cure. Scientists and researchers have been searching for decades to no avail. The best solution they've come up with is to put us through a pseudo second puberty and do some surgical, cosmetic alterations. It's not perfect but it helps make it easier. I don't want to escape the body I'm in. I want to feel right in it. Hormones do a lot of help in that regard. The surgery will too.

You don't have to agree with it, or like it, but it's real. There's at least enough scientific evidence there to say that much.

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#212 Lockedge
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[QUOTE="Lockedge"]I'm not entirely sure if you all understand that the likelihood of being allowed to get SRS before you're 18 is microscopically slim(at least in North America). Because it's not covered by insurance or medicare, it's a hell of a lot of money. The chance of a teen fully transitioning and getting SRS before they finish high school is virtually nonexistent. I'll re-iterate that a commitment should be made in terms of the individual presenting as one gender full-time before such privileges are given regarding washroom freedoms. Requiring surgery is just ludicrous though.LJS9502_basic

Then use the restroom where the physical traits are dominant.

That works fine by me. :)
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#213 bobaban
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Aside from being cleaner. I really don't need to hear girls use the bathrooms.
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#214 tenaka2
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Let's simplify this. You're born with a penis you're a guy. You're born with a vagina you're a girl. End of story. Good Lord.Solid_Snake325

What if your born with both?

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#215 CoolSkAGuy
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I like where this is going 8).