Mainstream rap/hiphop is sad.

[QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]

50 still good what you think about this ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wle7aaKAF0

Bucked20

Meh... Still as monotone and boring as ever

True, but its still boring IMO

Where's your evidence then? I'm pretty sure they are in the same boat.cmpepper23

Do you want me to use the facepalm picture again? How immature are you that you can't have a discussion and instead just say "SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE!??!?! As if you need evidence that books are less influential than music to young people......I mean Jesus Christ step out your door and actually talk to people and live in the world, there's your evidence.JustBeYourself

You are overvaluing how influential music is. Those others mediums can be and have been just as or even more influential on people's lives. Look at the Bible for reference. The people I have spoken to out and about in the world, several mind you of wide variety, were more in line with my thinking. Maybe you live somewhere strange. I do need evidence if I am to believe your claim because my life experiences reflect the opposite.

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]People can be just as influenced by a book, movie, or video game as they can a musical artist. Arguing that rap music makes a situation worse is illogical in my opinion, real world violence and nature will be far more destructive and influential than any spoken words. **** da Police" did not spread anti-police sediment, the negative views of the police held by people due to bad encounters with the police spread anti-police sediment.JustBeYourself

How exactly am I viewing this in a shallow manner that does not relate to the real world?

• People were violent, racist, mysoginistic, and awful thousands of years before music was recordable, let alone the invention of rap.
• The argument that rap presents a negative influence on people is no different than the argument that video games are a negative influence for people, and while it is true that people do no idolize video game characters, the PLAYER is the one creating the violence and destruction in the game. How hearing someone saying "I'm going to shoot someone" any different that acutally shooting someone in a video game? In both cases nobody is hurt, and in the case of the video game the violence is visual rather than spoken.
• Plenty of books have been published that were considered controversial, some of it justified some of it not, but plenty of books have advocated violence and poor lifestyles.
• How is rap music more of a bad influence than Celebrities that do drugs, cheat on their spouces, steal, lie, rape and murder?
• How is rap music more of a bad influence than Politicians that start wars, oppress the rights of people, lie, cheat the system, and are curropted?
• How is rap music more of a bad influence than actual real world violence that has yet to be scientifically linked to rap? People have been violent before rap and will be violent after rap.
• How does rap make a situation worse in which a person is exposed to real life violence? Eminem rapping about shoot someone has no effect on me, but if I saw someone getting shot I would be horrified. There is a major distinction between real life and fictional violence/crime. If you make the claim that people cannot differentiate between fictional violence/crime in rap music, or would commit violence or crime because they look up to an artist of rap, then you make the argument that all forms of medium are subject to the same fate, because if people can differentiate violence from a movie, video game, and other genres of music, they sure as hell can do the same for rap.

The Game is pretty good. chilly-chill

[QUOTE="chilly-chill"]The Game is pretty good. TH1Sx1SxSPARTA

[QUOTE="chilly-chill"]The Game is pretty good. TH1Sx1SxSPARTA

[QUOTE="TH1Sx1SxSPARTA"][QUOTE="chilly-chill"]The Game is pretty good. Bucked20

Well the authors of this article disagree http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/162/2/169 They also feel that music is more influential than any other form of media, especially in adloescence. Also "look at the Bible for reference". What world are you living in? We're talking about 2012 for goodness sake, stop embarrassing yourself.JustBeYourself

That's a nice article. I still feel like movies, videogames and books can be just as influential though. There are the HP and TL series, WOW and others to show this. Also I do believe a lot of people still base their entire lives on the Bible and it's teachings so I don't understand why you are overreacting to that.

I did not realize this was only about how it influences young people. I always tend to focus more on the 18 to 35 crowd because that is where I fall in line.

I'd rather listen to Danny Brown's misogynist lyrics or Roc Marciano's mafioso raps about dumping bodies in the Hudson River than some unskilled cookie cutter Flobots rap. I care about great writing and the craft of songmaking. If it happens to be violent or misogynist subject matter so be it.

And it's not as if this stuff is plaguing mainstream hip-hop anyways. Aren't a lot of the most popular rappers out nowadays soft like a Twinkie filling?

[QUOTE="cmpepper23"] Do you even listen to hip hop? Gangsta rap died YEARS ago. The music pbeing put out now is so completely different that what it was 10 years ago. You are completely bias to the point its not funny.JustBeYourself

I didn't post that. I did read it, and it doesn't specify young people. It just says people.

[QUOTE="cmpepper23"] Thats cool and all but your arguement focused on gangsta rap like it has any relevance in today's society. Maybe you should read the OP. Half your argument fades away when you remove that bs gangsta rap bias you have.JustBeYourself

Yea, I realize that now and still disagree with your views on this matter. I do like Chamillionaire though, especially his mixtapes and early stuff with Swishahouse.

Most mainstream music, genre ignored, sucks and much of it also has no/bad messages.

No need to try and villianize hip-hop..

DaJuicyMan

I know people like to use the argument that rappers' lyrics are much more influential on young people than fictional movies or video games. But the movie Scarface has inspired more drug dealers than any rap song. Here are some quotes by Azie Faison, one of the biggest drug kingpins in Harlem back in the late 80's.

"The character Tony Montana went from poor to mad rich by selling coke. He made tons of young cats want to sell cocaine too, including me."

"After watching Scarface, I wanted to be the Tony Montana of Harlem. I easily made more than $40000 a week, and became a millionaire before reaching voting age. I was on a paper chase."

quotes courtesy of Azie Faison's autobiography Game Over

most mainstream music sucks. pop, rock, hip hop, rap. no reason to call out one over the other. what bothers me is that some people that start these threads have cannibal corpse or some death metal band in their sig. the irony is just too much to handle

most mainstream music sucks. pop, rock, hip hop, rap. no reason to call out one over the other. what bothers me is that some people that start these threads have cannibal corpse or some death metal band in their sig. the irony is just too much to handle

lostfan132

most mainstream music sucks. pop, rock, hip hop, rap. no reason to call out one over the other. what bothers me is that some people that start these threads have cannibal corpse or some death metal band in their sig. the irony is just too much to handle

lostfan132

Spoken like a true music snob..

For the record I think Cannibal Corpse are great

Who here listens to 50 cent? show yourselves..G-O-M-J

Any type of mainstream music sucks. There's plenty of good hip hop out there even if it is violent or depicts women as sexual objects lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhycjXvFDy8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeopWHwpiUQ

[QUOTE="G-O-M-J"] Who here listens to 50 cent? show yourselves..supa_badman

most mainstream music sucks. pop, rock, hip hop, rap. no reason to call out one over the other. what bothers me is that some people that start these threads have cannibal corpse or some death metal band in their sig. the irony is just too much to handle

lostfan132

Mainstream rap/hiphop/pop tends to suck. Metal and Rock are where its at.:cool:

Mainstream rap/hiphop/pop tends to suck. Metal and Rock are where its at.:cool:

BullyRay44

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Mainstream rap/hiphop/pop tends to suck. Metal and Rock are where its at.:cool:

chilly-chill

lol @ listening to music and paying attention to the deep meaning of the lyricscampzor

lol @ listening to music and paying attention to the deep meaning of the lyricscampzor

[QUOTE="lostfan132"]

most mainstream music sucks. pop, rock, hip hop, rap. no reason to call out one over the other. what bothers me is that some people that start these threads have cannibal corpse or some death metal band in their sig. the irony is just too much to handle

Wolf-Man2006

Spoken like a true music snob..

For the record I think Cannibal Corpse are great

Oh, Music Industry...

Radio, TV = Disco and POP.
Can't hear any other genre there....

[QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

[QUOTE="lostfan132"]

most mainstream music sucks. pop, rock, hip hop, rap. no reason to call out one over the other. what bothers me is that some people that start these threads have cannibal corpse or some death metal band in their sig. the irony is just too much to handle

Funky_Llama

Spoken like a true music snob..

For the record I think Cannibal Corpse are great

Nothing bad if you want to be the unhappiest person in the world

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

Spoken like a true music snob..

For the record I think Cannibal Corpse are great

Wolf-Man2006

Nothing bad if you want to be the unhappiest person in the world

[QUOTE="chilly-chill"]The Game is pretty good. TH1Sx1SxSPARTA

[QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]What exactly is bad about being a music snob?Funky_Llama

Nothing bad if you want to be the unhappiest person in the world

Pfft... What do you know? You don't appreciate the genius of Sneaker Pimps like I do