Man vows to kill his son's murderer.

He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.

Remember what Gandhi said, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. I do feel sympathy for the man,but I don't think he shud kill that man, why degrade himself. But I do understand where he is coming from.

EDIT: Oh yea, remember what Confucios said about revenge, that you shud dig 2 graves. And I really feel for the man.

I can't fathom why this man is entitled to make a mockery of society's laws just to settle a personal grudge.

I mean, I can understand why he feels the way he does. I'm not quick to anger, but if someone did something like that to a person close to me, I'd be livid. I could see myself doing the same thing if caught in a moment of passion.

That doesn't make it right. That's why society has a justice system, to deal with this sort of thing.

What is done cannot be undone. No amount of killing will bring back this man's murdered son, who died 36 years ago. So why is it acceptable? Does "vengeance" sit above the morals of society? It serves no purpose, except to soothe a thirst for violence that is just as dangerous and as irrational as the initial heinous act.

The murderer served his punishment. He was exiled from society and forced into a cell for 29 years. That is likely the majority of his life to this point taken away from him. Why do people believe that as soon as he gets back on the streets, after decades of imprisonment, he'll go straight back to crime? Have you all seen Dirty Harry one too many times? He'll be lucky if he can even interact normally with people again. There is no need for additional punishment. Placing vengeance above justice and the law is completely selfish.

Punishment serves many purposes, but vengeance should never be one of them. Criminals should be reformed and reintegrated into society as healthy, law-abiding citizens, not shunted aside and forced to the margins of society, where they resume their behavior until locked away forever, or killed. The father's unwavering desire for revenge (a desire that has lingered for decades) doesn't deserve to be respected.

sonicmj1

Boofreakinghoo, the innocent child was robbed from living a good 70+ more years.

Your post reeks of so much beta patheticness that it makes my skin crawl.

The father is completely and 100% justified in killing the murderer of his child in any way he sees fit. Once the murderer harmed and killed Mr. Foreman's child he surrendered his right to life and the pursuit of happiness to Mr. Foreman.

If you disagree with the father being allowed to kill the murderer or you think it is wrong, then I have some bad news for you.

p.s. If this wasn't posted before, this is justice:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE

Only 40 years and he can get out early for good behaviour ... um, how about his behaviour when he ****ing murdered a child?

killing him wont bring his son back. and will just land him in jail.

what an idiot.

EDIT: wow it seems a lot of people in OT have expressed what they want to happen or what they would do to this man in very graphic detail. you sure you're any better than him?

killing him wont bring his son back. and will just land him in jail.

what an idiot.

Zorgax

He ATE the kid's flesh?

That sicko deserves nothing short of death. Make this world a better and safer place one sicko at a time...I would say.

[QUOTE="Zorgax"]

killing him wont bring his son back. and will just land him in jail.

what an idiot.

Remmib

well done, you managed to contradict yourself in the same post.

vengeance is not justice.

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

I can't fathom why this man is entitled to make a mockery of society's laws just to settle a personal grudge.

I mean, I can understand why he feels the way he does. I'm not quick to anger, but if someone did something like that to a person close to me, I'd be livid. I could see myself doing the same thing if caught in a moment of passion.

That doesn't make it right. That's why society has a justice system, to deal with this sort of thing.

What is done cannot be undone. No amount of killing will bring back this man's murdered son, who died 36 years ago. So why is it acceptable? Does "vengeance" sit above the morals of society? It serves no purpose, except to soothe a thirst for violence that is just as dangerous and as irrational as the initial heinous act.

The murderer served his punishment. He was exiled from society and forced into a cell for 29 years. That is likely the majority of his life to this point taken away from him. Why do people believe that as soon as he gets back on the streets, after decades of imprisonment, he'll go straight back to crime? Have you all seen Dirty Harry one too many times? He'll be lucky if he can even interact normally with people again. There is no need for additional punishment. Placing vengeance above justice and the law is completely selfish.

Punishment serves many purposes, but vengeance should never be one of them. Criminals should be reformed and reintegrated into society as healthy, law-abiding citizens, not shunted aside and forced to the margins of society, where they resume their behavior until locked away forever, or killed. The father's unwavering desire for revenge (a desire that has lingered for decades) doesn't deserve to be respected.

Remmib

Boofreakinghoo, the innocent child was robbed from living a good 70+ more years.

Your post reeks of so much beta patheticness that it makes my skin crawl.

The father is completely and 100% justified in killing the murderer of his child in any way he sees fit. Once the murderer harmed and killed Mr. Foreman's child he surrendered his right to life and the pursuit of happiness to Mr. Foreman.

If you disagree with the father being allowed to kill the murderer or you think it is wrong, then I have some bad news for you.

p.s. If this wasn't posted before, this is justice:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE

Does that ONLY apply to this father, or to EVERYONE who ever had a son/daughter/mother/father/brother/sister/friend/girlfriend/spouse murdered?

[QUOTE="Remmib"][QUOTE="Zorgax"]

killing him wont bring his son back. and will just land him in jail.

what an idiot.

Zorgax

well done, you managed to contradict yourself in the same post.

vengeance is not justice.

Killing the pedo who killed your child and ate his flesh is justice.

Vengeance/Revenge = Justice

From a judicial perspective I'm against it, but I totally understand where the father is coming from. I can only imagine how terrible it must have been and I fully understand his anger toward the guy who did it.

killing him wont bring his son back. and will just land him in jail.

what an idiot.

EDIT: wow it seems a lot of people in OT have expressed what they want to happen or what they would do to this man in very graphic detail. you sure you're any better than him?

Zorgax

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

I can't fathom why this man is entitled to make a mockery of society's laws just to settle a personal grudge.

I mean, I can understand why he feels the way he does. I'm not quick to anger, but if someone did something like that to a person close to me, I'd be livid. I could see myself doing the same thing if caught in a moment of passion.

That doesn't make it right. That's why society has a justice system, to deal with this sort of thing.

What is done cannot be undone. No amount of killing will bring back this man's murdered son, who died 36 years ago. So why is it acceptable? Does "vengeance" sit above the morals of society? It serves no purpose, except to soothe a thirst for violence that is just as dangerous and as irrational as the initial heinous act.

The murderer served his punishment. He was exiled from society and forced into a cell for 29 years. That is likely the majority of his life to this point taken away from him. Why do people believe that as soon as he gets back on the streets, after decades of imprisonment, he'll go straight back to crime? Have you all seen Dirty Harry one too many times? He'll be lucky if he can even interact normally with people again. There is no need for additional punishment. Placing vengeance above justice and the law is completely selfish.

Punishment serves many purposes, but vengeance should never be one of them. Criminals should be reformed and reintegrated into society as healthy, law-abiding citizens, not shunted aside and forced to the margins of society, where they resume their behavior until locked away forever, or killed. The father's unwavering desire for revenge (a desire that has lingered for decades) doesn't deserve to be respected.

MrGeezer

Boofreakinghoo, the innocent child was robbed from living a good 70+ more years.

Your post reeks of so much beta patheticness that it makes my skin crawl.

The father is completely and 100% justified in killing the murderer of his child in any way he sees fit. Once the murderer harmed and killed Mr. Foreman's child he surrendered his right to life and the pursuit of happiness to Mr. Foreman.

If you disagree with the father being allowed to kill the murderer or you think it is wrong, then I have some bad news for you.

p.s. If this wasn't posted before, this is justice:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE

Does that ONLY apply to this father, or to EVERYONE who ever had a son/daughter/mother/father/brother/sister/friend/girlfriend/spouse murdered?

Everyone who has ever had a family member/friend murdered. They are allowed to kill the murderer.

It is justice.

Once the murderer killed whoever, they forfeited their right to life.

[QUOTE="Zorgax"]

killing him wont bring his son back. and will just land him in jail.

what an idiot.

Remmib

Murder is murder. It doesn't matter who is killed.

Everyone who has ever had a family member/friend murdered. They are allowed to kill the murderer.

It is justice.

Once the murderer killed whoever they forfeited their right to live.

Remmib

Now take just a second to think about what kind of a mess society would become id that were actually the case. The streets would be piled high with the dead, and the justice system wouldn't be able to get anything done.

[QUOTE="Zorgax"]

[QUOTE="Remmib"] Apparently you know nothing about justice. Also if the judge/jury has any brains then he won't serve a day, he'll just get a slap on the wrist (which is still too much for exacting rightful revenge on the murderer of his child).Remmib

well done, you managed to contradict yourself in the same post.

vengeance is not justice.

Killing the pedo who killed your child and ate his flesh is justice.

Vengeance/Revenge = Justice

nope, thats YOUR idea of justice. not justice in the eyes of the law.

and no jury will let him walk off with a 'slap on the wrist'. thats wishful thinking.

[QUOTE="Remmib"][QUOTE="Zorgax"]

killing him wont bring his son back. and will just land him in jail.

what an idiot.

BuryMe

Murder is murder. It doesn't matter who is killed.

When you kill a murderer in the name of justice it is not called murder.

This man got a slap on the wrist, what say you now? Also in this video the difference between a justice system and a legal system is demonstrated. It is unfortunate that America uses a legal system now as opposed to one of justice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

Killing the pedo who killed your child and ate his flesh is justice.

Vengeance/Revenge = Justice

Zorgax

nope, thats YOUR idea of justice. not justice in the eyes of the law.

and no jury will let him walk off with a 'slap on the wrist'. thats wishful thinking.

My idea of justice is the correct one, otherwise I would not hold it.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="Remmib"] Apparently you know nothing about justice. Also if the judge/jury has any brains then he won't serve a day, he'll just get a slap on the wrist (which is still too much for exacting rightful revenge on the murderer of his child).Remmib

Murder is murder. It doesn't matter who is killed.

When you kill a murderer in the name of justice it is not called murder.

This man got a slap on the wrist, what say you now? Also in this video the difference between a justice system and a legal system is demonstrated. It is unfortunate that America uses a legal system now as opposed to one of justice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE

If we could all just go get revenge as we see fit, we would lose the rule of law and descend into anarchy. Thank god most people don't subscribe to your worldview.

[QUOTE="Zorgax"]

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

Killing the pedo who killed your child and ate his flesh is justice.

Vengeance/Revenge = Justice

Remmib

nope, thats YOUR idea of justice. not justice in the eyes of the law.

and no jury will let him walk off with a 'slap on the wrist'. thats wishful thinking.

My idea of justice is the correct one, otherwise I would not hold it.

Legally speaking, you are wrong. In practice your ideas won't work.

I got to say, what ever the guy did to the son, he did his time, and killing him is not just. If the father regrets agreeing to a bargain so much, he should just deal with it and not take it out on the guy who already went to jail. The murderer might regret it, he might not, but I don't really care.

What exactly makes it correct? Just because you hold it?

Legally speaking, you are wrong. In practice your ideas won't work.

BuryMe

Rofl at "legally speaking"...You think all of the laws we have currently are all just, right, and necessary? Give me a break :lol:.

God America is so pussified these days; everyone has forgotten what justice means.

If this happened in the 1950's (and it did I'm sure) no one would bat an eye at what the father said. In fact, they would completely understand his position and be on his side.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="Remmib"] Apparently you know nothing about justice. Also if the judge/jury has any brains then he won't serve a day, he'll just get a slap on the wrist (which is still too much for exacting rightful revenge on the murderer of his child).Remmib

Murder is murder. It doesn't matter who is killed.

When you kill a murderer in the name of justice it is not called murder.

This man got a slap on the wrist, what say you now? Also in this video the difference between a justice system and a legal system is demonstrated. It is unfortunate that America uses a legal system now as opposed to one of justice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE

that happened 26 years ago, guarantee you the same outcome will not be achieved for Foreman.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

What exactly makes it correct? Just because you hold it?

Legally speaking, you are wrong. In practice your ideas won't work.

Remmib

Rofl at "legally speaking"...You think all of the laws we have currently are all just, right, and necessary? Give me a break :lol:.

God America is so pussified these days; everyone has forgotten what justice means.

If this happened in the 1950's (and it did I'm sure) no one would bat an eye at what the father said. In fact, they would completely understand his position and be on his side.

That should be seen as a good thing.

And no not all laws are just. But laws against murder absolutely are. And if the father were to go through with his plan, he would be breaking those laws.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

What exactly makes it correct? Just because you hold it?

Legally speaking, you are wrong. In practice your ideas won't work.

Remmib

Rofl at "legally speaking"...You think all of the laws we have currently are all just, right, and necessary? Give me a break :lol:.

God America is so pussified these days; everyone has forgotten what justice means.

If this happened in the 1950's (and it did I'm sure) no one would bat an eye at what the father said. In fact, they would completely understand his position and be on his side.

pussified?

you're the one whose crying and letting your emotions run wild because an itty bitty poor little 5 year old was kiilled and eaten.

pussified?

you're the one whose crying and letting your emotions run wild because an itty bitty poor little 5 year old was kiilled and eaten.

Zorgax

Rofl.

Yeah bro, I'm sure you'd have the same reaction if you were in the father's shoes.:|

:roll:

[QUOTE="Zorgax"]

pussified?

you're the one whose crying and letting your emotions run wild because an itty bitty poor little 5 year old was kiilled and eaten.

Remmib

Rofl.

Yeah bro, I'm sure you'd have the same reaction if you were in the father's shoes.:|

:roll:

But I am very certain that I wouldn't want to go kill him. That would make me no better than the murderer

[QUOTE="Zorgax"]

pussified?

you're the one whose crying and letting your emotions run wild because an itty bitty poor little 5 year old was kiilled and eaten.

Remmib

Rofl.

Yeah bro, I'm sure you'd have the same reaction if you were in the father's shoes.:|

:roll:

well you're the one who was claiming'pussified' when its clear that when you hear about things out of your comfort zone you become scared to death and demand the people responsible be brutally slaughtered so you can tell yourself its all better.

here you go, a nice little read for you

the point im making? terrible things happen in this world. killing people wont undo the damage.

"He who seeksvengeance must dig two graves: one for his enemy and one for himself"

If my son was ever killed I'd be lying if I said I would be able to let the justice system do it's thing.

It's not possible for any of us to say how we would feel in his position.

But I am very certain that I wouldn't want to go kill him. That would make me no better than the murderer

BuryMe

This is not true.

You would be avenging the death of your child and simultaneously removing scum, which is undeserving of life, from this planet -- thus making this a better planet for all.

the point im making? terrible things happen in this world. killing people wont undo the damage.

Zorgax

They are not solely 'people' with no other connotations.

You would be killing a murderer who is undeserving of life and who is not worthy of breathing the air on this planet.

They are not solely 'people' with no other connotations.

You would be killing a murderer who is undeserving of life and who is not worthy of breathing the air on this planet.

Remmib

and if Foreman kills the man, he is a murderer too. doesnt matter what you say, the legal system will see him as a murderer. he will be charged, trialled and convicted and there's not a damn thing you can do about.

hell you havent even met the killer. for all you know he could be a changed man. 35 years is a long time .

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

They are not solely 'people' with no other connotations.

You would be killing a murderer who is undeserving of life and who is not worthy of breathing the air on this planet.

Zorgax

and if Foreman kills the man, he is a murderer too. doesnt matter what you say, the legal system will see him as a murderer. he will be charged, trialled and convicted and there's not a damn thing you can do about.

hell you havent even met the killer. for all you know he could be a changed man. 35 years is a long time .

He is not a murderer for killing the man who killed his child. In the eyes of the law, yes (however the legal system is majorly flawed), but in reality no.

It does not matter if he is a "changed man," he forfeited the outcome of his life to Mr. Foreman when he killed his child. If Mr. Foreman wants to spare him then that is his decision and his decision only, but as you can see that is not what he wants.

[QUOTE="Zorgax"]

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

They are not solely 'people' with no other connotations.

You would be killing a murderer who is undeserving of life and who is not worthy of breathing the air on this planet.

Remmib

and if Foreman kills the man, he is a murderer too. doesnt matter what you say, the legal system will see him as a murderer. he will be charged, trialled and convicted and there's not a damn thing you can do about.

hell you havent even met the killer. for all you know he could be a changed man. 35 years is a long time .

He is not a murderer for killing the man who killed his child. In the eyes of the law, yes (however the legal system is majorly flawed), but in reality no.

It does not matter if he is a "changed man," he forfeited the outcome of his life to Mr. Foreman when he killed his child. If Mr. Foreman wants to spare him then that is his decision and his decision only, but as you can see that is not what he wants.

All right, well if you really think that then fine. but if you think the man is not going to be prepared for Foreman you better wake up to yourself. foreman's gonna come after him, he's gonna kill foreman in self defence and walk away free, whilst foreman and his son will both be dead.

how's that for 'justice'?

All right, well if you really think that then fine. but if you think the man is not going to be prepared for Foreman you better wake up to yourself. foreman's gonna come after him, he's gonna kill foreman in self defence and walk away free, whilst foreman and his son will both be dead.

how's that for 'justice'?

Zorgax

Please, this fat geezer won't be able to do anything against the pent up rage that the father has for him.

[QUOTE="Zorgax"]

pussified?

you're the one whose crying and letting your emotions run wild because an itty bitty poor little 5 year old was kiilled and eaten.

Remmib

Rofl.

Yeah bro, I'm sure you'd have the same reaction if you were in the father's shoes.:|

:roll:

Statistically, I'll bet that he WOULD.

A HELL of a lot of people have been murdered, with friends/families/lovers being left behind to hold the grief. But do MOST murderers ever get released from prison and then get murdered themselves specifically out of revenge?

Hell...let me talk about a specific example. Let's talk about OJ Simpson. The murders were gruesome as hell, widely publicized, and a very large number of people believe that he got away with murder. Then add in the whole aspect of him trying to profit off of flaunting it years later by talking about "If" he did it.

People hate the hell out of the man, and there are MILLIONS of people who could potentially murder his ass simply because his was such a high-profile situation.

But...has he been murdered? No. There are living family members of the victims who absolutely COULD murder the **** out of OJ Simpson if they wanted to. But they didn't. Or take Roman Polanski...a child rapist who fled prosecution and receives a huge amount of hatred. Getting to him and murdering him Punisher-style would be INCREDIBLY easy. But....people hate the **** out of him, and he's lived for a long ass time without any street vigilante ever imposing "justice" on him.

So...I'd like to see some statistics on this. But I'd wager that the VAST majority of people either getting released early after serving time for murder, or simply lucking out and escaping convistion even though everyone knows they totally did it, do NOT end up getting murdered by the friends/family/whatever of the victims. And if the OTHER people who've seen family/friends/etc murdered can deal with that **** without committing murder themselves, then what makes THIS FATHER a special case? He's sure as hell not the first man who's ever found out that his son/daughter was killed by an evil man. LOTS of people can make the same claim. But THEY aren't murdering the **** out of the people who killed their sons/daughters/whatever, so why does THIS GUY get a pass to do exactly that?

This is not true.

You would be avenging the death of your child and simultaneously removing scum, which is undeserving of life, from this planet -- thus making this a better planet for all.

Remmib

Literally, on a DAILY basis, I encounter people who I could reasonably argue don't deserve to live.

The funny thing is, a hell of a lot of OTHER people could reasonably argue that I don't deserve to live.

The thing is that individuals CAN'T be left to make those kinds of decisions. Some people might think that the world would be a better place if we eliminated all blacks or republicans, but someone who takes it upon themselves to murder those people is just a ****ing murderer.

That's what a lot of people here don't seem to understand. Thinking that a particular person DESERVES to die is okay...just as long as you're just thinking the ****, that's your own business. The second that you violate the law in order to kill the **** out of a man who you personally thinks just needs to die, then you've just validated anyone else doing the same thing to YOU. Once we start justifying freaking MURDER on the basis of "how much we want that person to die", then EVERYONE is justified in murdering ANYONE who they want to be dead.

And that's basically "law be damned...kill anyone you want to, just as long as you think you have a good reason for doing so." That's a world in which society breaks down and anarchy rules. And I am going to chime in and say that that would actually make the world WORSE.

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

This is not true.

You would be avenging the death of your child and simultaneously removing scum, which is undeserving of life, from this planet -- thus making this a better planet for all.

MrGeezer

Literally, on a DAILY basis, I encounter people who I could reasonably argue don't deserve to live.

The funny thing is, a hell of a lot of OTHER people could reasonably argue that I don't deserve to live.

The thing is that individuals CAN'T be left to make those kinds of decisions. Some people might think that the world would be a better place if we eliminated all blacks or republicans, but someone who takes it upon themselves to murder those people is just a ****ing murderer.

That's what a lot of people here don't seem to understand. Thinking that a particular person DESERVES to die is okay...just as long as you're just thinking the ****, that's your own business. The second that you violate the law in order to kill the **** out of a man who you personally thinks just needs to die, then you've just validated anyone else doing the same thing to YOU. Once we start justifying freaking MURDER on the basis of "how much we want that person to die", then EVERYONE is justified in murdering ANYONE who they want to be dead.

And that's basically "law be damned...kill anyone you want to, just as long as you think you have a good reason for doing so." That's a world in which society breaks down and anarchy rules. And I am going to chime in and say that that would actually make the world WORSE.

I completely agree with you here, however the murderer forfeited his right to life to the father when he killed his child.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

This is not true.

You would be avenging the death of your child and simultaneously removing scum, which is undeserving of life, from this planet -- thus making this a better planet for all.

Remmib

Literally, on a DAILY basis, I encounter people who I could reasonably argue don't deserve to live.

The funny thing is, a hell of a lot of OTHER people could reasonably argue that I don't deserve to live.

The thing is that individuals CAN'T be left to make those kinds of decisions. Some people might think that the world would be a better place if we eliminated all blacks or republicans, but someone who takes it upon themselves to murder those people is just a ****ing murderer.

That's what a lot of people here don't seem to understand. Thinking that a particular person DESERVES to die is okay...just as long as you're just thinking the ****, that's your own business. The second that you violate the law in order to kill the **** out of a man who you personally thinks just needs to die, then you've just validated anyone else doing the same thing to YOU. Once we start justifying freaking MURDER on the basis of "how much we want that person to die", then EVERYONE is justified in murdering ANYONE who they want to be dead.

And that's basically "law be damned...kill anyone you want to, just as long as you think you have a good reason for doing so." That's a world in which society breaks down and anarchy rules. And I am going to chime in and say that that would actually make the world WORSE.

I completely agree with you here, however the murderer forfeited his right to life to the father when he killed his child.

"Right to life" doesn't mean **** to me. The murderer may very well deserve to die, but that doesn't give the father the authority to decide that. Specifically when the father was apparently all fine and well with the plea deal which allowed for the possibility of the murderer's early release, and is only now making these threats because the deal that he was previously a-okay with now has the imminent possibility of actually happening.

As someone before me said, the dude just has "buyer's remorse" and wants to commit murder because he hmself made a bad decision that he now regrets. And...**** that. He was a-okay with the chance of the murderer getting released early, right up until the murderer MIGHT get released early. Then the father reneges on his deal and says he's gonna murder the otrher dude.

Well...**** that. If nothing else, that makes the father a liar and a cheat. And from what I hear, there's a spot in hell reserved for them, along with the murderers and the fornicators.

Maybe the murderer DOES deserve death. But...that doesn't mean that the angry dad is justified to be the one who deals death. Particularly when this is largely happening because the father made a deal that he later regretted, is taking that out on someone else instead of taking that out on HIMSELF for being stupid enough to agree to those terms in the first place.