Mao: Greatest Mass Murderer

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#1 JustusCF
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http://www.newser.com/story/comments/100776/mao-greatest-mass-murderer.html

Mao Zedong is the greatest mass murderer in history, having coordinated the death of 45 million Chinese peasants from 1958 to 1962, the Independentreports. Historian Frank Dikötter is the first to examine a block of Communist Party archives made available four year ago, and found—despite official whitewashing—that the acts of violence of the Communist authorities during the Great Leap Forward were carefully recordedNewser

That wasn't too long ago actually.

Hopefully the socialist leadership in North Korea will fall, although even this day in age it's hard to get an accurate picture as to how much state-sponsored geonicde there is... it's widely reported from people who snuck in camera's that there's plenty of enslavement.

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#2 Necrifer
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We already know this.

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Oh my god, i want to be just like him now. Thank you for sharing this information, TC. I now have an idol. [spoiler] obvious joke is obvious... [/spoiler]
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Hopefully the socialist leadership in North Korea will fall,

JustusCF

Not sure if serious.

North Korea is communist, not socialist.

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#5 Snipes_2
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Not surprising.

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Oh my god, i want to be just like him now. Thank you for sharing this information, TC. I now have an idol. GHlegend77
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It was a tumultuous period in China's history, not entirely surprising if that indeed happened. There were a few rulers like that throughout China's history as well, and Mao's probably wasn't the worst amongst them

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#8 CRS98
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When you said 'greatest', I thought you were going to include something positive about him, like he's the greatest mass murderer. Anyway, that's totalitarianism for you.
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Sort of playing the Devil's Advocate here, but saying that he "orchestrated" the deaths of 45million people is a bit of a stretch, since it implies that was the point of it all. The Great Leap Forward was a disaster of epic proportions, for sure, but its point was not to kill as many people as Mao thought he could get away with. Whereas the Holocaust, was literally the systematic and intentional murder of 10 Million people.
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It was a tumultuous period in China's history, not entirely surprising if that indeed happened. There were a few rulers like that throughout China's history as well, and Mao's probably wasn't the worst amongst them

ariz3260
He seems to have been the worst in terms of sheer quantity.
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The deaths of the peasants during the Great Leap Forward was not a genocide, albeit it was the government's fault for their deaths due to statistical mistakes (big, big mistakes at that) but it was not an organised extermination of them. The Chinese government overworked them and took too much grain from them. With a peasant population as large as China's being left without much food is going to cause many deaths but this was not the CCP's attempt at genocide.
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#12 ariz3260
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He seems to have been the worst in terms of sheer quantity. Elraptor

Could have been, I have my doubts if he really is the worst judging solely by the number of people he killed, directly or indirectly. He is perceived to be the worst because he is the most recent ruler in China and a lot have been written about him

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Once you get above a million-plus people dead because of policies you enacted, I'm not really sure how you rate one as better/worse than another. Does another million make you worse?

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Once you get above a million-plus people dead because of policies you enacted, I'm not really sure how you rate one as better/worse than another. Does another million make you worse?

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Diminishing marginal returns imo.
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Once you get above a million-plus people dead because of policies you enacted, I'm not really sure how you rate one as better/worse than another. Does another million make you worse?

GabuEx


I can't help but agreeing. How can we even begin to quantify these kinds of actions against one another? They are all detestable.

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tbh I'm not surprised no one tried to stop him China isn't the type of country you want to make an enemy of .

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Shouldn't it be worse mass murder:?

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Shouldn't it be worse mass murder:?

strangeisland

He's pretty good at mass murder, so no.

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I would hardly call him great, he was just an idiot who made stupid laws and policies.
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#20 GabuEx
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tbh I'm not surprised no one tried to stop him China isn't the type of country you want to make an enemy of .

snakes_codec

Considering that Mao was in charge, he basically was the country that you don't want to make an enemy of.

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I'm not sure one can say he's the "Greatest Mass Murderer." The choice of words isn't particularly good.
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#22 ariz3260
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I'm not sure one can say he's the "Greatest Mass Murderer." The choice of words isn't particularly good.Logan1616

Well, we did just have the voting of the greatest villain on GS. It could be comparable I suppose, if a comparison have to be make...

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[QUOTE="JustusCF"]

Hopefully the socialist leadership in North Korea will fall,

jaydough

Not sure if serious.

North Korea is communist, not socialist.


Silly jaydough, everyone knows that communism, socialism and terrorism are the same thing.

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#24 ehhwhatever
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I hate to say this but China is the strongest country in the world because of Maoism, which like a pyramid celebrates the base or the workers but has a hierarchy that is communist. Today people become part of the heirarchy by achievement such as making a ton of money.

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be careful they watching us

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[QUOTE="JustusCF"]

Hopefully the socialist leadership in North Korea will fall,

jaydough

Not sure if serious.

North Korea is communist, not socialist.

There has never been an area that has actually adhered to Communism. What North Korea has is some form of Socialism.

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[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="JustusCF"]

Hopefully the socialist leadership in North Korea will fall,

SgtKevali

Not sure if serious.

North Korea is communist, not socialist.

There has never been an area that has actually adhered to Communism. What North Korea has is some form of Socialism.

Other way around.

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#28 Calvin079
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[QUOTE="JustusCF"]

Hopefully the socialist leadership in North Korea will fall,

jaydough

Not sure if serious.

North Korea is communist, not socialist.

Communism is extreme socialist.

Chairman Mao is up there with Stalin and Hitler.

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#29 Calvin079
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[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="JustusCF"]

Hopefully the socialist leadership in North Korea will fall,

carrot-cake

Not sure if serious.

North Korea is communist, not socialist.


Silly jaydough, everyone knows that communism, socialism and terrorism are the same thing.

No. Communism is the extreme of socialism, and terrorism is completely different than those two; though, Communit governments often employ terror to keep their ruthless iron grips on the people; using the secret police. Woe to the Leaders if the party line changes....

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[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="JustusCF"]

Hopefully the socialist leadership in North Korea will fall,

Calvin079

Not sure if serious.

North Korea is communist, not socialist.

Communism is extreme socialist.

Chairman Mao is up there with Stalin and Hitler.

In terms of evil mass-murderer or in terms of socialism/communism? Because if it's the latter, Hitler can be taken off the list.
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Evil Mass Murderer of course. Nazism (?) was based on the Communist Manifesto written by Marx intrestingly.

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Evil Mass Murderer of course. Nazism (?) was based on the Communist Manifesto written by Marx intrestingly.

Calvin079
Given the Nazi's utter hatred of Communism, I find it highly unlikely. They just shoe-horned "socialism" into the party name to sucker in the working class.
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But, I think it is hypocritical for the west to criticize china for someone like Mao, since western world probably cause more deaths and destruction than all other eras combined, during the imperial age and two world wars. Keep in mind that leaders like chang-kai-shek and Mao rose to power in china because of major powers pillaging in china.

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But, I think it is hypocritical for the west to criticize china for someone like Mao, since western world probably cause more deaths and destruction than all other eras combined, during the imperial age and two world wars. Keep in mind that leaders like chang-kai-shek and Mao rose to power in china because of major powers pillaging in china.

tonberry007

I'll tell you right now that the West was NOT reponsible for instigatingthe wold wars. I could tell you what triggered both of them and what led to war breaking out. Imperial Age was in Europe not in NA.

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[QUOTE="Calvin079"]

Evil Mass Murderer of course. Nazism (?) was based on the Communist Manifesto written by Marx intrestingly.

PannicAtack

Given the Nazi's utter hatred of Communism, I find it highly unlikely. They just shoe-horned "socialism" into the party name to sucker in the working class.

Hitler based the Nazi (National Socialist German Workers Party) off of Communism; though he himself hated it intensely.

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I'll tell you right now that the West was NOT reponsible for instigatingthe wold wars. I could tell you what triggered both of them and what led to war breaking out. Imperial Age was in Europe not in NA.

Calvin079

Europe is not western? Germany is western btw. Oh and US has native american blood on its hand, just like china and tibet except on a far larger scale.

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[QUOTE="Calvin079"]

I'll tell you right now that the West was NOT reponsible for instigatingthe wold wars. I could tell you what triggered both of them and what led to war breaking out. Imperial Age was in Europe not in NA.

tonberry007

Europe is not western? Germany is western btw. Oh and US has native american blood on its hand, just like china and tibet except on a far larger scale.

Usually when people speak of the West, they mean NA/SA. Yes, US has native bood on it hands (and Canada does too; and the Natives were also responsible for a settler massacre as well.) How is Tibet responsible for massacres? Unless if you're referring to when China took over Tibet and ordered mass executions of Tibet nationals.

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[QUOTE="tonberry007"]

[QUOTE="Calvin079"]

I'll tell you right now that the West was NOT reponsible for instigatingthe wold wars. I could tell you what triggered both of them and what led to war breaking out. Imperial Age was in Europe not in NA.

Calvin079

Europe is not western? Germany is western btw. Oh and US has native american blood on its hand, just like china and tibet except on a far larger scale.

Usually when people speak of the West, they mean NA/SA. Yes, US has native bood on it hands (and Canada does too; and the Natives were also responsible for a settler massacre as well.) How is Tibet responsible for massacres? Unless if you're referring to when China took over Tibet and ordered mass executions of Tibet nationals.

West refers to Western Europe and NA.
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="jaydough"] Not sure if serious.

North Korea is communist, not socialist.

jaydough

There has never been an area that has actually adhered to Communism. What North Korea has is some form of Socialism.

Other way around.

Nope? I can't really argue a fact.

This is an oversimplification, but some forms of socialism were meant as a stepping stone to communism.

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ill post this here democrat confusing to like mao http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAXAivdHYW0 yet another reason to not be a liberal
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[QUOTE="tonberry007"]

[QUOTE="Calvin079"]

I'll tell you right now that the West was NOT reponsible for instigatingthe wold wars. I could tell you what triggered both of them and what led to war breaking out. Imperial Age was in Europe not in NA.

Calvin079

Europe is not western? Germany is western btw. Oh and US has native american blood on its hand, just like china and tibet except on a far larger scale.

Usually when people speak of the West, they mean NA/SA. Yes, US has native bood on it hands (and Canada does too; and the Natives were also responsible for a settler massacre as well.) How is Tibet responsible for massacres? Unless if you're referring to when China took over Tibet and ordered mass executions of Tibet nationals.

tbh being a Major Power in the World is a double edge Sword most of the World Great Powers have killed there fair share of Natives and innocents examples

U.S - Native Americans plus the invasion of the Philippians

UK - killed Millions of people in India & Aborigines

Russia - Josef Starlin that's all that has to be said

China - Mao

we all have some blood on our hands but id like to think we have done more good than bad .

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Yet people will continue to refer to Hitler Poor Stalin. Poor Zedong.

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[QUOTE="Calvin079"][QUOTE="tonberry007"]Europe is not western? Germany is western btw. Oh and US has native american blood on its hand, just like china and tibet except on a far larger scale.Lonelynight
Usually when people speak of the West, they mean NA/SA. Yes, US has native bood on it hands (and Canada does too; and the Natives were also responsible for a settler massacre as well.) How is Tibet responsible for massacres? Unless if you're referring to when China took over Tibet and ordered mass executions of Tibet nationals.

West refers to Western Europe and NA.

The concept of the Western world even has its roots in Europe.

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[QUOTE="Calvin079"]

[QUOTE="tonberry007"]Europe is not western? Germany is western btw. Oh and US has native american blood on its hand, just like china and tibet except on a far larger scale.

snakes_codec

Usually when people speak of the West, they mean NA/SA. Yes, US has native bood on it hands (and Canada does too; and the Natives were also responsible for a settler massacre as well.) How is Tibet responsible for massacres? Unless if you're referring to when China took over Tibet and ordered mass executions of Tibet nationals.

tbh being a Major Power in the World is a double edge Sword most of the World Great Powers have killed there fair share of Natives and innocents examples

U.S - Native Americans plus the invasion of the Philippians

UK - killed Millions of people in India & Aborigines

Russia - Josef Starlin that's all that has to be said

China - Mao

we all have some blood on our hands but id like to think we have done more good than bad .

Development comes at a great cost of human life from what history has shown. It would appear that Stalin and Mao are seen as the greatest villains because they are the most recent do have done some like this and due to their rapid development they did in a few years what the West has done over hundreds of years.
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[QUOTE="Calvin079"]

[QUOTE="tonberry007"]Europe is not western? Germany is western btw. Oh and US has native american blood on its hand, just like china and tibet except on a far larger scale.

snakes_codec

Usually when people speak of the West, they mean NA/SA. Yes, US has native bood on it hands (and Canada does too; and the Natives were also responsible for a settler massacre as well.) How is Tibet responsible for massacres? Unless if you're referring to when China took over Tibet and ordered mass executions of Tibet nationals.

tbh being a Major Power in the World is a double edge Sword most of the World Great Powers have killed there fair share of Natives and innocents examples

U.S - Native Americans plus the invasion of the Philippians

UK - killed Millions of people in India & Aborigines

Russia - Josef Starlin that's all that has to be said

China - Mao

we all have some blood on our hands but id like to think we have done more good than bad .

Include Japan in the list of countries. Theywere reponsible for many, many deaths of soldiers and civillians alike.

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And that country is still grossly overpopulated.