March 1 is a dark day for canadians

If you havent heard by now, March 1st Bell and TekSavvy are giving EVERYONE a 25gb cap, soon to follow is Roger in the summer, they say that there is insurance plans, atleast for TekSavvy, and also if you go over your cap you have to pay $2 a GB.

so this means everything gets more expensive and service gets worse

They are pretty much trying to stop Steam, DLC, Youtube, and Netflix

Bell now controls the Price for Internet in canada

Rogers has already dropped the cap when Netflix was released

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/a-metered-internet-is-a-regulatory-failure/article1881250/

Why OH WHY IS CANADA A COUNTRY

Meh people need to realise that bandwidth is a commodity. Toughen up, you can't expect anything for free.

Canada is a country because France and England decided to colonize here and eventually 3 British Colonies were formed into provinces.

Or something like that. History wasn't my strong point.

Putting a cap on internet usage is ridiculous... 'nuff said.

I am so ashamed to be Canadian right now.:(

Meh people need to realise that bandwidth is a commodity. Toughen up, you can't expect anything for free.daqua_99

Putting a cap on internet usage is ridiculous... 'nuff said.

-Russ93

Um, so charging for what you use is ridiculous?

Meh people need to realise that bandwidth is a commodity. Toughen up, you can't expect anything for free.

daqua_99

No, but we can expect reasonable and fair business practices, as opposed to the blatant price-gouging and anti-competitive practices behind these implementations of bandwidth caps and UBB.

Until there is a mass overhaul of broadband in North America these caps will be in place since the infastructure pretty much sucks and everything is trying to go digital to the point more and more people are online and streaming, downloading or whatever it is going to get congested and bogged down. The average person isn't really going to reach that 25GB point on their home connection.

If you need more bandwidth you can always up to a business line and I'm sure those caps go away or go pretty high that you won't reach it. This stuff is expensive to keep up and maintain so if they can't support everyone they obivsiouly don't want to spend the money to upgrade the backbone so just cap people and be done with it.

[QUOTE="-Russ93"]

Putting a cap on internet usage is ridiculous... 'nuff said.

daqua_99

Um, so charging for what you use is ridiculous?

Not really, but if people are paying a fee every month, they shouldn't just all of a sudden have a limit to how much they can use if you're still paying the same amount every month.

If anything this will speed up the much needed demise of the CRTC.

Meh people need to realise that bandwidth is a commodity. Toughen up, you can't expect anything for free.

daqua_99

that has nothing it do with it, there is a law that says that there can be no competition in canada, so Bell is trying to kick Netflix out of the country

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

Meh people need to realise that bandwidth is a commodity. Toughen up, you can't expect anything for free.

PBSnipes

No, but we can expect reasonable and fair business practices, as opposed to the blatant price-gouging and anti-competitive practices behind these implementations of bandwidth caps and UBB.

We've been having all this in Australia for years. Most of the lines here are owned by one company, Telstra, and there is virtually no stable unlimited system. You want unlimited, you get a crappy connection, as your ISP puts you as lowest priority.

I pay $60 a month for 20mb/s, though I only get ~2mb/s. I have a 50GB download limit.

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

[QUOTE="-Russ93"]

Putting a cap on internet usage is ridiculous... 'nuff said.

-Russ93

Um, so charging for what you use is ridiculous?

Not really, but if people are paying a fee every month, they shouldn't just all of a sudden have a limit to how much they can use if you're still paying the same amount every month.

I agree, change should only occur when their said contract ends. If they don't have a contract, though, the change can happen instantly.

How does one tell how much space they use for their Internet? Is there a statistic that you can check or something?

[QUOTE="-Russ93"]

Putting a cap on internet usage is ridiculous... 'nuff said.

daqua_99

Um, so charging for what you use is ridiculous?

We've been having all this in Australia for years. Most of the lines here are owned by one company, Telstra, and there is virtually no stable unlimited system. You want unlimited, you get a crappy connection, as your ISP puts you as lowest priority.

I pay $60 a month for 20mb/s, though I only get ~2mb/s. I have a 50GB download limit.

daqua_99

So what's your point? That because Australia gets screwed it's fine if other countries get screwed too?

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

We've been having all this in Australia for years. Most of the lines here are owned by one company, Telstra, and there is virtually no stable unlimited system. You want unlimited, you get a crappy connection, as your ISP puts you as lowest priority.

I pay $60 a month for 20mb/s, though I only get ~2mb/s. I have a 50GB download limit.

PBSnipes

So what's your point? That because Australia gets screwed it's fine if other countries get screwed too?

No, my point is that people should pay for what they use. We do so for every other commodity (electricity, water, fuel, etc), why not for internet bandwidth? Why should someone who uses 25GB pay the same as someone who uses 250GB of downloads?

I've already sent my emails to leading politicians and signed petitions. If I have to, I'll move to Europe.

No, my point is that people should pay for what they use. We do so for every other commodity (electricity, water, fuel, etc), why not for internet bandwidth? Why should someone who uses 25GB pay the same as someone who uses 250GB of downloads?

daqua_99

Which would be fine, if the ISPs charged a reasonable price per GB or set resonable bandwidth caps. Instead they charge $1.00-2.00+ per GB for overages on already restrictive bandwidth caps, when in reality the marginal cost of a GB of bandwidth (according to Netflix) is less than $0.01. To use your fuel analogy, that's like charging $AUD131.00-262.00+ per litre for petrol.

I've already sent my emails to leading politicians and signed petitions. If I have to, I'll move to Europe.

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

We've been having all this in Australia for years. Most of the lines here are owned by one company, Telstra, and there is virtually no stable unlimited system. You want unlimited, you get a crappy connection, as your ISP puts you as lowest priority.

I pay $60 a month for 20mb/s, though I only get ~2mb/s. I have a 50GB download limit.

daqua_99

So what's your point? That because Australia gets screwed it's fine if other countries get screwed too?

No, my point is that people should pay for what they use. We do so for every other commodity (electricity, water, fuel, etc), why not for internet bandwidth? Why should someone who uses 25GB pay the same as someone who uses 250GB of downloads?

Just did some research. The service I use has been doing this since early 2010, and we never really noticed. However, the reason they did so, is that they were upset because services like Netflix were being classified as broadcasters, and weren't under the same limitations as ISPs.Tylendal

We have caps, but the caps are high, but all services, are being dropped to 25gb, so if you have 300gb monthly, come March 1st its 25gb, and theres nothing you can do

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]Meh people need to realise that bandwidth is a commodity. Toughen up, you can't expect anything for free.gamer-adam1

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]I've already sent my emails to leading politicians and signed petitions. If I have to, I'll move to Europe.lordreaven

Isn't this going to work against the National Film Board? They have plenty of full length films online.

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"][QUOTE="daqua_99"]Meh people need to realise that bandwidth is a commodity. Toughen up, you can't expect anything for free.Hexagon_777

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]that has nothing it do with it, there is a law that says that there can be no competition in canada, so Bell is trying to kick Netflix out of the countryTylendal

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]that has nothing it do with it, there is a law that says that there can be no competition in canada, so Bell is trying to kick Netflix out of the countryTylendal

I thought this was only for Teksavvy... Everything else should stay the same. What about all those times Bell and Rogers upgraded everyone's internet free of charge? If anything I think they're improving. I thought it was only Teksavvy getting the new caps because they use Bell's infrastructure without reasonable bandwidth caps.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Is that a fact? I find that too ridiculous to believe. Competition tends to benefit the consumer but if there is none...

Ace6301

Shaw has a much fairer cap as far as I know.

Don't worry though. The free market will provide. Bandwidth is an essentially limitless commodity as far as quantity is concerned. It's only the rate that is more expensive, and that's how things used to be. I'm confident that other companies will pop-up, offering cap-free service, albeit a little on the slow side to start, and of those companies, some will be born of anger at the larger communications companies, meaning that they won't be bought out.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

We've been having all this in Australia for years. Most of the lines here are owned by one company, Telstra, and there is virtually no stable unlimited system. You want unlimited, you get a crappy connection, as your ISP puts you as lowest priority.

I pay $60 a month for 20mb/s, though I only get ~2mb/s. I have a 50GB download limit.

daqua_99

So what's your point? That because Australia gets screwed it's fine if other countries get screwed too?

No, my point is that people should pay for what they use. We do so for every other commodity (electricity, water, fuel, etc), why not for internet bandwidth? Why should someone who uses 25GB pay the same as someone who uses 250GB of downloads?

why? the hell i don't know why, you probably wouldn't even care if electricity, water and fuel rose 200% in price.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Tylendal"] Oh no. I'll have to go phone my Shaw Communications and tell them that someone's on to them. o_o There's competition, but this benefits them all, so... :(Tylendal

Shaw has a much fairer cap as far as I know.

Don't worry though. The free market will provide. Bandwidth is an essentially limitless commodity as far as quantity is concerned. It's only the rate that is more expensive, and that's how things used to be. I'm confident that other companies will pop-up, offering cap-free service, albeit a little on the slow side to start, and of those companies, some will be born of anger at the larger communications companies, meaning that they won't be bought out.

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

So what's your point? That because Australia gets screwed it's fine if other countries get screwed too?

Yongying

No, my point is that people should pay for what they use. We do so for every other commodity (electricity, water, fuel, etc), why not for internet bandwidth? Why should someone who uses 25GB pay the same as someone who uses 250GB of downloads?

why? the hell i don't know why, you probably wouldn't even care if electricity, water and fuel rose 200% in price.

[QUOTE="Yongying"]

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

No, my point is that people should pay for what they use. We do so for every other commodity (electricity, water, fuel, etc), why not for internet bandwidth? Why should someone who uses 25GB pay the same as someone who uses 250GB of downloads?

Tylendal

why? the hell i don't know why, you probably wouldn't even care if electricity, water and fuel rose 200% in price.

They pay 100$ for a video game, next he'll be asking why the rest of the world doesn't pay that much...

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"][QUOTE="daqua_99"]Meh people need to realise that bandwidth is a commodity. Toughen up, you can't expect anything for free.Hexagon_777

ya it is. Its a Law, thats why in Canada pretty much all cellphones plans offer and cost the same, and why Internet and cable is pretty much the same no matter who you go with. its not ment to benefit the coustmer, its to benefit Bell, and Rogers mostly.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]that has nothing it do with it, there is a law that says that there can be no competition in canada, so Bell is trying to kick Netflix out of the countrygamer-adam1

I am on Telus, am I safe??

This is ridiculous. I pay a lot for my 100 GB limit...

What if I don't get my internet from any of the ISP's you listed? Or is my smalltime ISP just leeching off of their network? hmmm...

Meh people need to realise that bandwidth is a commodity. Toughen up, you can't expect anything for free.

daqua_99

On fiber optics (I'm not sure if Canada is, but I am) it isn't. Fiber Optics have theoretically unlimited bandwidth.