March 1 is a dark day for canadians

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#51 Emraldo
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So glad I have my internet with Cogeco.

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#52 PBSnipes
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So glad I have my internet with Cogeco.

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Cogeco has the same model of bandwidth caps and overage charges as Bell, Rogers, et al. :?

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#54 gamer-adam1
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[QUOTE="Emraldo"]

So glad I have my internet with Cogeco.

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Cogeco has the same model of bandwidth caps and overage charges as Bell, Rogers, et al. :?

and I heared people talking about Cogeco going following suite in the future

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#55 bleacher6
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I am so ashamed to be Canadian right now.:(

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[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Is that a fact? I find that too ridiculous to believe. Competition tends to benefit the consumer but if there is none...Hexagon_777

ya it is. Its a Law, thats why in Canada pretty much all cellphones plans offer and cost the same, and why Internet and cable is pretty much the same no matter who you go with. its not ment to benefit the coustmer, its to benefit Bell, and Rogers mostly.

Where's the logic in that? I don't follow!

Logic is companys get more money and we get less.....thats what you get for living in canada

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#57 foxhound_fox
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Im with Shaw Cable Donw think they are doing thisMkavanaugh77

They already do, but they seem lax on it considering I've never hit it or been given overage charges.

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#58 deangallop
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I am on Telus, am I safe??

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Telus is already doing it. I only get about 2mbs and have a 50 gb cap. So you probably already have one (might depend on your province).
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#59 GreatEmpire
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[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

So what's your point? That because Australia gets screwed it's fine if other countries get screwed too?

Yongying

No, my point is that people should pay for what they use. We do so for every other commodity (electricity, water, fuel, etc), why not for internet bandwidth? Why should someone who uses 25GB pay the same as someone who uses 250GB of downloads?

People like you piss me off, instead of supporting the interests of consumers (you), you side with the interests of multimillion dollar companies. :|

why? the hell i don't know why, you probably wouldn't even care if electricity, water and fuel rose 200% in price.

**** ya you tell em....
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#60 gamer-adam1
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[QUOTE="iloverikku11"]

I am on Telus, am I safe??

deangallop

Telus is already doing it. I only get about 2mbs and have a 50 gb cap. So you probably already have one (might depend on your province).

Telus MIGHT drop it down to 25gb, if things go well for Bell

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#61 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]ya it is. Its a Law, thats why in Canada pretty much all cellphones plans offer and cost the same, and why Internet and cable is pretty much the same no matter who you go with. its not ment to benefit the coustmer, its to benefit Bell, and Rogers mostly.gamer-adam1
Where's the logic in that? I don't follow!

Logic is companys get more money and we get less.....thats what you get for living in canada

That certainly doesn't fit the Canadian stereotype of every Canadian being nice. The Canadian government is screwing its people over by allowing such laws.

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#62 ferrari2001
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I have a 16 Mbps download with 2 Mbps upload at home with AT&T and it only costs like $50 a month regular, however right now we are getting it for $23.99/month With unlimited bandwidth.. ahhh I love my Internet.. Sucks to be you Canada.
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#63 GreatEmpire
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i call for a revolution. we must raid the streets. this is an outrage. down with with bell!
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#64 htekemerald
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[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

Meh people need to realise that bandwidth is a commodity. Toughen up, you can't expect anything for free.

daqua_99

No, but we can expect reasonable and fair business practices, as opposed to the blatant price-gouging and anti-competitive practices behind these implementations of bandwidth caps and UBB.

We've been having all this in Australia for years. Most of the lines here are owned by one company, Telstra, and there is virtually no stable unlimited system. You want unlimited, you get a crappy connection, as your ISP puts you as lowest priority.

I pay $60 a month for 20mb/s, though I only get ~2mb/s. I have a 50GB download limit.

Australia may well be worse than china when it comes to the Internet, why should I care what your policies are?

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i call for a revolution. we must raid the streets. this is an outrage. down with with bell!GreatEmpire
Let Canada be part of the Middle East and a revolution you shall have!

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#66 Promised_Trini
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Rogers as well this getting stupid:evil:

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#67 gamer-adam1
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I have a 16 Mbps download with 2 Mbps upload at home with AT&T and it only costs like $50 a month regular, however right now we are getting it for $23.99/month With unlimited bandwidth.. ahhh I love my Internet.. Sucks to be you Canada.ferrari2001

yup march 1st 1000's of people will be going from Unlimited DLC and lower to 25 gb, cause apparently, Most canadians dont use more than 5 gbs a month

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#68 Lockedge
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It's a sad state of affairs. Bell shouldn't be able to change the market so easily, not when most of their infrastructure was subsidized by taxpayers.We paid for those lines to be put down, just because Bell maintains them, doesn't mean they should have full reign over them.
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#69 XiaolinPrincess
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And everyone who is in America that wants to leave that country wants to go to Canada? Ha! Not anymore!
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#70 PBSnipes
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Since a fair number of people don't seem to understand the issue entirely, I'd suggest everyone read this.

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#71 metroidfood
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Man, I'm pretty glad I live in America.

Though Verizon better not be getting any ideas...

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[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Is that a fact? I find that too ridiculous to believe. Competition tends to benefit the consumer but if there is none...Hexagon_777

ya it is. Its a Law, thats why in Canada pretty much all cellphones plans offer and cost the same, and why Internet and cable is pretty much the same no matter who you go with. its not ment to benefit the coustmer, its to benefit Bell, and Rogers mostly.

Where's the logic in that? I don't follow!

Don't listen to him, there's competition. Take Koodo Mobile for example, they came up from behind and just exploded, because they offered much better deals than the incumbents. As far as I know, the only laws are to prevent price-gouging, so as to undercut an upstart company.
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[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Where's the logic in that? I don't follow!Hexagon_777

Logic is companys get more money and we get less.....thats what you get for living in canada

That certainly doesn't fit the Canadian stereotype of every Canadian being nice. The Canadian government is screwing its people over by allowing such laws.

Links please? I say again, I'm pretty sure the only restrictions are to prevent unfair business practices.
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#74 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]Logic is companys get more money and we get less.....thats what you get for living in canadaTylendal
That certainly doesn't fit the Canadian stereotype of every Canadian being nice. The Canadian government is screwing its people over by allowing such laws.

Links please? I say again, I'm pretty sure the only restrictions are to prevent unfair business practices.

I am just going by what this honest Canadian citizen is telling me. He wouldn't lie to me, would he?

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I just realized that this does not affect me, not directly anyway. I've been with Bell for years and had the cap a long while back. Honestly, I download two or three games per month, watch movies online and transfer files between my two computers a lot through the net and I barely go over my 60GB limit. I guess that sucks for those with only 15 or 20 GB limit. I have a Rogers connection too, and it's the same story, except their service sucks.
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#76 pianist
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My thought is this might be an alternative method of combating piracy. Their last attempt was shot down, but the Conservatives have been itching to put into place measures designed to curb it. This seems like a devious way of accomplishing that goal. Obviously I don't like it at all, as I use Steam a great deal. However, I don't download so much that I wouldn't be able to cope with the new limits.

I do hope they'll re-consider the 25 GB limit. It's too low for my liking.

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[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]That certainly doesn't fit the Canadian stereotype of every Canadian being nice. The Canadian government is screwing its people over by allowing such laws.Hexagon_777

Links please? I say again, I'm pretty sure the only restrictions are to prevent unfair business practices.

I am just going by what this honest Canadian citizen is telling me. He wouldn't lie to me, would he?

Not knowingly, no. I just did some research. This isn't happening March 1st, the OP is misleading. What's happening March 1st is that the government is deciding whether or not to tell the CRTC to reverse the changes, so that it will never come into effect in the first place.
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#79 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="Tylendal"] Links please? I say again, I'm pretty sure the only restrictions are to prevent unfair business practices.Tylendal
I am just going by what this honest Canadian citizen is telling me. He wouldn't lie to me, would he?

Not knowingly, no. I just did some research. This isn't happening March 1st, the OP is misleading. What's happening March 1st is that the government is deciding whether or not to tell the CRTC to reverse the changes, so that it will never come into effect in the first place.

So things are better than initially portrayed, correct?

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#80 pianist
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Isn't this going to work against the National Film Board? They have plenty of full length films online.

one_plum

Yes - although I doubt the Conservatives care about the National Film Board or anything else that doesn't produce widgets...

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#81 Tylendal
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[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]I am just going by what this honest Canadian citizen is telling me. He wouldn't lie to me, would he?Hexagon_777

Not knowingly, no. I just did some research. This isn't happening March 1st, the OP is misleading. What's happening March 1st is that the government is deciding whether or not to tell the CRTC to reverse the changes, so that it will never come into effect in the first place.

So things are better than initially portrayed, correct?

Yep. Basically, all that's happening is that the big broadcasting companies whined to the CRTC about services like Netflix which are making HUGE amounts of money, but are considered a broadcast service, despite doing all their business over the internet, which the ISP companies need to pay to maintain. So, the CRTC told the smaller companies that buy internet from the larger companies to sell it to the consumer, that they would no longer be allowed to provide unlimited internet, and instead pay a scaling rate, something which the large companies weren't allowed to charge them before. When the public got wind of this, they screamed 'foul', and it made its way to the rest of the government, a classic case of the right hand not knowing what the left is doing. March 1st merely marks the date when the federal government will (most likely, we hope) ask that CRTC "What the ***** were you thinking?", and backhand everything back to normal.
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]ya it is. Its a Law, thats why in Canada pretty much all cellphones plans offer and cost the same, and why Internet and cable is pretty much the same no matter who you go with. its not ment to benefit the coustmer, its to benefit Bell, and Rogers mostly.Tylendal

Where's the logic in that? I don't follow!

Don't listen to him, there's competition. Take Koodo Mobile for example, they came up from behind and just exploded, because they offered much better deals than the incumbents. As far as I know, the only laws are to prevent price-gouging, so as to undercut an upstart company.


You do realise that koodo is Telus with a mask on right?

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[QUOTE="one_plum"]

Isn't this going to work against the National Film Board? They have plenty of full length films online.

pianist

Yes - although I doubt the Conservatives care about the National Film Board or anything else that doesn't produce widgets...

lol... The CRTC is the only thing that I have against the Conservatives, other than that the Liberals are full of some shady people, and the NDP are nuts, if it was up to them we'd have project housing at every corner :P. Though on a more serious note I think the industry as a whole is going to have to change sooner than later as more people are catching on. Between TV, Internet, Mobile, etc. Bell and Rogers are holding Canadians back while overcharging us.

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#84 Tylendal
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[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Where's the logic in that? I don't follow!

carrot-cake

Don't listen to him, there's competition. Take Koodo Mobile for example, they came up from behind and just exploded, because they offered much better deals than the incumbents. As far as I know, the only laws are to prevent price-gouging, so as to undercut an upstart company.


You do realise that koodo is Telus with a mask on right?

Yeah, but the point is that they're cutting at the competition. They're doing it under a different name so as to avoid people going "Telus... ewwww.", but they are managing to undercut the competition. Basically, I was just responding to the ludicrous assertion that there was no competition in Canada.

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#85 fooZar777
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Can't imagine the internet with a cap. That's pretty close to my daily usage.

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#86 Tylendal
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Can't imagine the internet with a cap. That's pretty close to my daily usage.

fooZar777
Federal government is going to throw it out. That's all that's really happening on March 1st.
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#87 Mr_Alexander
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$2 a GB, yikes, you might as well buy the game.
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#88 DJ_Lae
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Koodo doesn't offer any better deals than any other company, they just skew the way the prices look courtesy of their silly 'tab' creation. Wind is the only one that does, but the tradeoff comes with small coverage areas and insane roaming charges if you ever exit those areas. As for bandwidth...sucks to be Ontario, although I can't get too smug as I know that Shaw and Telus will follow suit soon enough. The sad part is that I don't really have a problem with paying for usage, but the prices the companies are charging are absolutely ridiculous. Five or ten cents a GB would more than cover their costs, but they want $2? **bleep** them.
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#89 superdum2
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im proud to be an americain where my internetz are cheap

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Great, we could use more Alaskans!
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#91 XileLord
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I honeslty don't see how this will effect me. I'm under telus optik right now and we basically stream our TV through there new service called Telus Optik. 25gb would be used up in like a day not to mention we got like 6 PC's running off one router and everybody in my house watches youtube. I know my family isn't the only family like this either.

Let's see how long this really lasts.

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#92 deactivated-59f03d6ce656b
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Wow it is pretty sad that canada's internet is moving backwards. I love my 25/5 unlimited connection.
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#93 england2010
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I have telus and ive had a cap for years, its advertised right on the plan

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#94 gameguy6700
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Hey Canadians, there's a solution floating around the internet that will allow you to get around the cap.

Unfortunately said solution requires a 30GB download.

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#95 stevoqwerty
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I did not see this as dark day, we have always been like that. 15 cents per mb if passed cap, consider yourself lucky that they only charge you $2/gb.

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#96 Colin1192
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lol canada's internet already f****** sucks compared to other countries and now they want to charge more for less. F*** them.

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#97 htekemerald
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[QUOTE="fooZar777"]

Can't imagine the internet with a cap. That's pretty close to my daily usage.

Tylendal

Federal government is going to throw it out. That's all that's really happening on March 1st.

Have they actually come out and said this?

The cons thus far have always sided with the corporations over the consumers...

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#98 htekemerald
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I did not see this as dark day, we have always been like that. 15 cents per mb if passed cap, consider yourself lucky that they only charge you $2/gb.

stevoqwerty

I seriously doubt you get charged 150 bucks per gig on a land-line conncection.

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My household has had a cap of 100gb for the past couple months ,not sure how much were charged, but the dl speed and ul speed are terribly slow.
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~~ATTENTION~~ This is a message to all Canadians ~~ATTENTION~~

Sign the petition at: http://openmedia.ca/meter

"Internet Service Providers (ISPs) are about to impose usage-based billing on YOU.

This means we're looking at a future where ISPs will charge per byte, the way they do with smart phones. If we allow this to happen Canadians will have no choice but to pay MUCH more for less Internet. Big Telecom companies are obviously trying to gouge consumers, control the Internet market, and ensure that consumers continue to subscribe to their television services.

These Big Telecom companies are forcing small competing ISPs to adopt the same pricing scheme, so that we have no choice but to pay these punitive fees.

This will crush innovative services, Canada's digital competitiveness, and your wallet.

We urgently need to send a clear message to Ottawa, saying that we won't stand by while some of the most profitable companies in the country indiscriminately add new fees to our Internet bills. Enough is enough.

UPDATE: The Liberals and the NDP have now come out AGAINST Internet metering. We're winning, Canada - now onto the government in power! "