Marijuana legalization to go on the Nov ballot in CA

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#1 194197844077667059316682358889
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I noticed this story in the breaking news section of my local paper's site a few minutes ago. Hey, if we can amend the state constitution to outlaw same-sex marriage by popular vote, I guess this is fair game. I don't have any vested interest in the issue personally, but what do you folks think?
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#2 Pixel-Pirate
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I'll likely be voting against it. I can't say how it will go, though.

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Look for Cali to pass it. Then give it about 3 months before religious groups (namely LDS) lobby their way to shut it down again. Sound familiar?
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I'll likely be voting against it. I can't say how it will go, though.

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Personally, I'll be voting for it, as long as existing smoking regulations apply. Of course, living in SF, you see people openly smoking it on the street anyway.
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I don't live in California so, I don't Care :)

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My dear Xaos...don't you see the difference? Same-Sex marriage is yucky. (Unless, of course, it is two very hot women) But marijuana is something that folks like. (Author's Note: Previous part of post is tongue-in-cheek only.) I don't have a lot of vested interest in the vote personally myself either. I honestly don't care that much either way. I suppose I would lean towards legalization if pressed on the issue, but I won't care that much if it doesn't pass.
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It doesn't matter if it get's voted in or not. There is still a federal ban on it. This ballot is pointless.

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#8 k2theswiss
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I'll likely be voting against it. I can't say how it will go, though.

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... Here we go again4real thats what i think if it pass

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I'm voting for it, as long as there's regulations as were stated a few times.
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#10 Sajedene
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*puts in her calendar to vote NO on the ballot* Thanks for the heads up. If it passes whatever - at least I know I voted against it.
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It doesn't matter if it get's voted in or not. There is still a federal ban on it. This ballot is pointless.

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Federal law trumps state law. Good to know. ;)
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#12 muller39
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I think its 50-50 if it gets approved or not.

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#13 Agent-Zero
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I'm not really sure about this issue...If it were up to me alcohol and tobacco would be illegal too. I am against anything that alters the mind, thats not how the mind should be. But marijuana is the least dangerous of all drugs.
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lol CA you so crazy. Still, that'd be interesting.
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It's not bad for you...alcohol and tobacco is way worst..If I lived in Cali I would vote yes..but with restrictions.
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

It doesn't matter if it get's voted in or not. There is still a federal ban on it. This ballot is pointless.

nocoolnamejim
Federal law trumps state law. Good to know. ;)

States' rights indeed ;)
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

It doesn't matter if it get's voted in or not. There is still a federal ban on it. This ballot is pointless.

nocoolnamejim

Federal law trumps state law. Good to know. ;)

A lot of the kids here getting all excited about this don't seem to understand that.

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My dear Xaos...don't you see the difference? Same-Sex marriage is yucky. (Unless, of course, it is two very hot women) But marijuana is something that folks like. (Author's Note: Previous part of post is tongue-in-cheek only.) I don't have a lot of vested interest in the vote personally myself either. I honestly don't care that much either way. I suppose I would lean towards legalization if pressed on the issue, but I won't care that much if it doesn't pass.nocoolnamejim

i'm sorry did you just say one thing then said the opposite of the thing you just said? Make up your mind buddy.. it's yucky or it's ok. but don't choose one side then go other on any subject

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#19 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

It doesn't matter if it get's voted in or not. There is still a federal ban on it. This ballot is pointless.

Pirate700

Federal law trumps state law. Good to know. ;)

A lot of the kids here getting all excited about this don't seem to understand that.

I think he was being sarcastic. I'm not sure though.
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]My dear Xaos...don't you see the difference? Same-Sex marriage is yucky. (Unless, of course, it is two very hot women) But marijuana is something that folks like. (Author's Note: Previous part of post is tongue-in-cheek only.) I don't have a lot of vested interest in the vote personally myself either. I honestly don't care that much either way. I suppose I would lean towards legalization if pressed on the issue, but I won't care that much if it doesn't pass.k2theswiss

i'm sorry did you just say one thing then said the opposite of the thing you just said? Make up your mind buddy.. it's yucky or it's ok. but don't choose one side then go other on any subject

I was teasing Xaos. I've got nothing at all against same-sex marriage. That's why I said that the first part of my post was "tongue-in-cheek". :)
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]My dear Xaos...don't you see the difference? Same-Sex marriage is yucky. (Unless, of course, it is two very hot women) But marijuana is something that folks like. (Author's Note: Previous part of post is tongue-in-cheek only.) I don't have a lot of vested interest in the vote personally myself either. I honestly don't care that much either way. I suppose I would lean towards legalization if pressed on the issue, but I won't care that much if it doesn't pass.k2theswiss

i'm sorry did you just say one thing then said the opposite of the thing you just said? Make up your mind buddy.. it's yucky or it's ok. but don't choose one side then go other on any subject

I'm pretty sure he was kidding, he said it was "Tongue in Cheek".
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I have high hopes. Seriously, no pun was intended.
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]My dear Xaos...don't you see the difference? Same-Sex marriage is yucky. (Unless, of course, it is two very hot women) But marijuana is something that folks like. (Author's Note: Previous part of post is tongue-in-cheek only.) I don't have a lot of vested interest in the vote personally myself either. I honestly don't care that much either way. I suppose I would lean towards legalization if pressed on the issue, but I won't care that much if it doesn't pass.

Prop 8..is going to be un-passed...Remember that is your opinion,not everyone else.
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]My dear Xaos...don't you see the difference? Same-Sex marriage is yucky. (Unless, of course, it is two very hot women) But marijuana is something that folks like. (Author's Note: Previous part of post is tongue-in-cheek only.) I don't have a lot of vested interest in the vote personally myself either. I honestly don't care that much either way. I suppose I would lean towards legalization if pressed on the issue, but I won't care that much if it doesn't pass.k2theswiss

i'm sorry did you just say one thing then said the opposite of the thing you just said? Make up your mind buddy.. it's yucky or it's ok. but don't choose one side then go other on any subject

He was being sarcastic. :P
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Federal law trumps state law. Good to know. ;)Snipes_2

A lot of the kids here getting all excited about this don't seem to understand that.

I think he was being sarcastic. I'm not sure though.

I know he was. Justing adding to the point. :)

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Federal law trumps state law. Good to know. ;)Snipes_2

A lot of the kids here getting all excited about this don't seem to understand that.

I think he was being sarcastic. I'm not sure though.

Not at all. I actually agree with Pirate that, when state law and federal law conflict, then the federal law should win. I do, however, anticipate this question coming up again in the future. It was more wry amusement at something a long-term sparring partner said than sarcasm.
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I really, really hope it passes. There was a great speech given in 1995 to the California judges regarding the issue, it's a bit long but if you're interested, here ya go Epic Speech

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]A lot of the kids here getting all excited about this don't seem to understand that.

nocoolnamejim

I think he was being sarcastic. I'm not sure though.

Not at all. I actually agree with Pirate that, when state law and federal law conflict, then the federal law should win. I do, however, anticipate this question coming up again in the future. It was more wry amusement at something a long-term sparring partner said than sarcasm.

Sarcasm is so hard to detect on the Internet :(

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I'm not really sure about this issue...If it were up to me alcohol and tobacco would be illegal too. I am against anything that alters the mind, thats not how the mind should be. But marijuana is the least dangerous of all drugs. Agent-Zero
Yeah, even less dangerous than alcohol--and that's legal.
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[QUOTE="Foxi911"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]My dear Xaos...don't you see the difference? Same-Sex marriage is yucky. (Unless, of course, it is two very hot women) But marijuana is something that folks like. (Author's Note: Previous part of post is tongue-in-cheek only.) I don't have a lot of vested interest in the vote personally myself either. I honestly don't care that much either way. I suppose I would lean towards legalization if pressed on the issue, but I won't care that much if it doesn't pass.

Prop 8..is going to be un-passed...Remember that is your opinion,not everyone else.

I hope it is. The first part of my post was just joking. I wanted to tease Xaos/be a little sarcastic. I'm in favor of gay-marriage. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
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I am pretty sure that the citizens of California will vote it in and most likely then a push would be made to lift the federal ban of marijuana.
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#33 nocoolnamejim
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I think he was being sarcastic. I'm not sure though. Snipes_2

Not at all. I actually agree with Pirate that, when state law and federal law conflict, then the federal law should win. I do, however, anticipate this question coming up again in the future. It was more wry amusement at something a long-term sparring partner said than sarcasm.

Sarcasm is so hard to detect on the Internet :(

Oh no worries. Debating wouldn't be much fun if we agreed on everything. :)
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Is this all about pulling CA out of bankruptcy? If so then I can see it passing.
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I am pretty sure that the citizens of California will vote it in and most likely then a push would be made to lift the federal ban of marijuana. ZombiefiedZomB
While if there's any state that would vote it in (besides maybe Hawaii) it would be Kali, I wouldn't be so sure. I never thought prop 8 would pass here.

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What a smart move from my homestate.

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I have no idea how it's going to turn out. What I can say, however, is that it is, for a multitude of reasons, in the best interest of the state to pass it.
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Hopefully it will pass, though I've long since given up on California actually taking the sensible moves, especially with its budget crisis and prop 8.
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[QUOTE="ZombiefiedZomB"]I am pretty sure that the citizens of California will vote it in and most likely then a push would be made to lift the federal ban of marijuana. Pirate700

While if there's any state that would vote it in (besides maybe Hawaii) it would be Kali, I wouldn't be so sure. I never thought prop 8 would pass here.

That's what I thought too - I mean we have San Francisco and Los Angeles!!! But nope - it failed.
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

It doesn't matter if it get's voted in or not. There is still a federal ban on it. This ballot is pointless.

Pirate700

Federal law trumps state law. Good to know. ;)

A lot of the kids here getting all excited about this don't seem to understand that.

Wait, is the federal ban actual legislation or an executive order? Because if it's an executive order, there's a good chance Obama would rescind it.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="ZombiefiedZomB"]I am pretty sure that the citizens of California will vote it in and most likely then a push would be made to lift the federal ban of marijuana. Sajedene

While if there's any state that would vote it in (besides maybe Hawaii) it would be Kali, I wouldn't be so sure. I never thought prop 8 would pass here.

That's what I thought too - I mean we have San Francisco and Los Angeles!!! But nope - it failed.

I already can't wait to get out of here. If it becomes legal here (after a federal lift), I be hitting the first plane out.

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I don't live in Cali but if I did, I probably wouldn't vote because I don't care about it.
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Federal law trumps state law. Good to know. ;)chessmaster1989

A lot of the kids here getting all excited about this don't seem to understand that.

Wait, is the federal ban actual legislation or an executive order? Because if it's an executive order, there's a good chance Obama would rescind it.

Good question. I don't know a lot about this issue. But that IS the reason why Obama hasn't rescinded Don't Ask, Don't Tell by Executive Order. He was hoping to pass something through Congress.
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If it's passed, california will come out of debt because of the marijuana sales and the extreme spike in "tourism".


Vote YES to let the good times roll

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] But that IS the reason why Obama hasn't rescinded Don't Ask, Don't Tell by Executive Order. He was hoping to pass something through Congress.

Also, Congressional support is an issue because "sodomy" is illegal in the Uniform Code, and changes to the UCMJ have to be approved by Congress. It would mean people who are openly gay or lesbian would be able to serve but if they ever had homosexual sex or, by some interpretations, did stuff as innocuous as hugging a member of the same sex, they could be separated from the service.
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

It doesn't matter if it get's voted in or not. There is still a federal ban on it. This ballot is pointless.

Pirate700

Federal law trumps state law. Good to know. ;)

A lot of the kids here getting all excited about this don't seem to understand that.

I like how you think being condescending somehow makes you a smarter person... also, if California does legalize it, only national agents have the authority to actual make arrests, meaning state and local officials can't do anything, even if they wanted to. But hey! You already knew that, right? :|
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Federal law trumps state law. Good to know. ;)hamstergeddon

A lot of the kids here getting all excited about this don't seem to understand that.

I like how you think being condescending somehow makes you a smarter person... also, if California does legalize it, only national agents have the authority to actual make arrests, meaning state and local officials can't do anything, even if they wanted to. But hey! You already knew that, right? :|

Condescending?

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[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]While if there's any state that would vote it in (besides maybe Hawaii) it would be Kali, I wouldn't be so sure. I never thought prop 8 would pass here.

Pirate700

That's what I thought too - I mean we have San Francisco and Los Angeles!!! But nope - it failed.

I already can't wait to get out of here. If it becomes legal here (after a federal lift), I be hitting the first plane out.

I don't suppose you'd mind if I teased you about having Rum and Cokes with Rush Limbaugh down in Costa Rica if this passes would you? :P
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"] That's what I thought too - I mean we have San Francisco and Los Angeles!!! But nope - it failed.nocoolnamejim

I already can't wait to get out of here. If it becomes legal here (after a federal lift), I be hitting the first plane out.

I don't suppose you'd mind if I teased you about having Rum and Cokes with Rush Limbaugh down in Costa Rica if this passes would you? :P

Then we'd go hunting with our AR!
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]I already can't wait to get out of here. If it becomes legal here (after a federal lift), I be hitting the first plane out.Sajedene
I don't suppose you'd mind if I teased you about having Rum and Cokes with Rush Limbaugh down in Costa Rica if this passes would you? :P

Then we'd go hunting with our AR!

I'm glad that I know you are actually much too responsible to handle firearms after a few drinks ;)