Marijuana legalization. Yea/Nay?

[QUOTE="mattyftm"]No, legalising drugs is not the way to go. As soon as you legalise one, then people will say "well you legalised that one, so why can't you legalise this one" and a downward spiral beggins.Shiggums

No, that's not true. And even if some people started demanding more legalization based on that, do you think they'd get the backing to pass it through? I doubt it.

They do it already.:| How in the world can you say it's not true?

I suppose you've never heard this gem:

"Alcohol is legal. Why not pot?"

[QUOTE="Shiggums"]

[QUOTE="mattyftm"]No, legalising drugs is not the way to go. As soon as you legalise one, then people will say "well you legalised that one, so why can't you legalise this one" and a downward spiral beggins.Dracargen

No, that's not true. And even if some people started demanding more legalization based on that, do you think they'd get the backing to pass it through? I doubt it.

They do it already.:| How in the world can you say it's not true?

I suppose you've never heard this gem:

"Alcohol is legal. Why not pot?"

marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol. what mattyfm said was that people will want more drugs (most, if not all, of which are more harmful than marijuana) legalized. There would be no backing for legalizing drugs like cocaine or even LSD.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]Nay. Appealing to a very stupid 10-15 percent of the American population doesn't ring well.sammyjenkis898

It's way more then that..

Ten to forty million people used illegal drugs (this includes ALL illegal drugs) last year. That would be LESS than my original estimation, since there are over 300 million people in America. That makes about 3-10 percent of the American population.

[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]Nay. Appealing to a very stupid 10-15 percent of the American population doesn't ring well.Dracargen

It's way more then that..

Ten to forty million people used illegal drugs (this includes ALL illegal drugs) last year. That would be MORE than my original estimation, since there are over 300 million people in America. That makes about 3-10 percent of the American population.

I think it's a lot more then that..

They surely aren't stupid..

[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]Nay. Appealing to a very stupid 10-15 percent of the American population doesn't ring well.Dracargen

It's way more then that..

Ten to forty million people used illegal drugs (this includes ALL illegal drugs) last year. That would be LESS than my original estimation, since there are over 300 million people in America. That makes about 3-10 percent of the American population.

And where did you get these numbers? Chances are those are just the people who admit to it, because drug use is VERY underground. It's surprising how many people do drugs (not including alcohol and nicotine). The numbers are higher.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Shiggums"]

[QUOTE="mattyftm"]No, legalising drugs is not the way to go. As soon as you legalise one, then people will say "well you legalised that one, so why can't you legalise this one" and a downward spiral beggins.Shiggums

No, that's not true. And even if some people started demanding more legalization based on that, do you think they'd get the backing to pass it through? I doubt it.

They do it already.:| How in the world can you say it's not true?

I suppose you've never heard this gem:

"Alcohol is legal. Why not pot?"

marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol. what mattyfm said was that people will want more drugs (most, if not all, of which are more harmful than marijuana) legalized. There would be no backing for legalizing drugs like cocaine or even LSD.

There already IS backing for cocaine and LSD. There has been since they were created. Marijuana is safer than alcohol, but it is still not safe, and it is not a reason to legalize it for recreation.

The point is, people will say "marijuana is legal, so why not cocaine?"

"Cocaine is legal, so why not LSD?"

And it will stay on that wheel until all drugs are either destroyed or legalized, and then we'll all wonder why we had to do as a very small minority said when the majority said "no."

Legalisize it .

that way these tramps will stop selling skunk which is why cannabis has a bad reputation ....

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]Nay. Appealing to a very stupid 10-15 percent of the American population doesn't ring well.Shiggums

It's way more then that..

Ten to forty million people used illegal drugs (this includes ALL illegal drugs) last year. That would be LESS than my original estimation, since there are over 300 million people in America. That makes about 3-10 percent of the American population.

And where did you get these numbers? Chances are those are just the people who admit to it, because drug use is VERY underground. It's surprising how many people do drugs (not including alcohol and nicotine). The numbers are higher.

I got the population numbers from the CIA website.

The other number was taken from the DEA, NIDA, and the Houshold Survey on Drug Abuse. The estimation would be around three percent, but I gave it slack. That's why I added a ten in there.

Drug users are the vast minority, even if my estimation is wrong and there are another 50 million people who use drugs.

[QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]Nay. Appealing to a very stupid 10-15 percent of the American population doesn't ring well.Dracargen

It's way more then that..

Ten to forty million people used illegal drugs (this includes ALL illegal drugs) last year. That would be LESS than my original estimation, since there are over 300 million people in America. That makes about 3-10 percent of the American population.

And where did you get these numbers? Chances are those are just the people who admit to it, because drug use is VERY underground. It's surprising how many people do drugs (not including alcohol and nicotine). The numbers are higher.

I got the population numbers from the CIA website.

The other number was taken from the DEA, NIDA, and the Houshold Survey on Drug Abuse. The estimation would be around three percent, but I gave it slack. That's why I added a ten in there.

Drug users are the vast minority, even if my estimation is wrong and there are another 50 million people who use drugs.

You would be surprised by how many people smoke pot..and which people..

You would be surprised by how many people smoke pot..and which people..

sammyjenkis898

Again, it doesn't matter if there are another 50 million people who use pot; they are a minority.

Decriminalization is likely a better way to go. Eliminate incarceration and replace it with small fines. joeytentz

Yes for now that would be a more acceptable system. So I'll have to go with nay.

[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

You would be surprised by how many people smoke pot..and which people..

Dracargen

Again, it doesn't matter if there are another 50 million people who use pot; they are a minority.

I think more people then that do it..

Yeh,

Alcohol is a drug, weed is an herb. Alcohol and its effects kills millions, never heard this about weed unless it was mixed with alcohol or a drug. i have Native American elders in my family so I've been smoking a long time. we have different views and beliefs then what media propaganda teaches the masses. i finished collage, have a great job, a house and a car. I've achieve all of this while being high half of the time. Weed is harmless and i haven't been sick in ages due to the medical benefits of the plant. Its all about politricks. i do admit its not for everyone; just like you have some ppl who don't know how to hold their liquor.

yea...... consuming marijuana is a health issue not a crime issue imo

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

You would be surprised by how many people smoke pot..and which people..

sammyjenkis898

Again, it doesn't matter if there are another 50 million people who use pot; they are a minority.

I think more people then that do it..

What you think and what is true are two different things.

Let's say that 100 million people use it. They are still a minority.

120 million people. Still a minority.

150 million people. Technically still a minority, since the CIA says there are 301,139,947 people in the states. . . .and that estimation is from last year.

Marijuana is no more dangerous than cigarettes (might be even less dangerous) and cigarettes are legal.

Marijuana is no more dangerous than cigarettes (might be even less dangerous) and cigarettes are legal.

MetroidPrimePwn

This isn't an argument for marijuana, but an argument against cigarettes.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]Nay. Appealing to a very stupid 10-15 percent of the American population doesn't ring well.sammyjenkis898

It's way more then that..

Ten to forty million people used illegal drugs (this includes ALL illegal drugs) last year. That would be MORE than my original estimation, since there are over 300 million people in America. That makes about 3-10 percent of the American population.

I think it's a lot more then that..

They surely aren't stupid..

That wouldn't have been a government survey by any chance would it?

Sure, wht not?

[QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]

Marijuana is no more dangerous than cigarettes (might be even less dangerous) and cigarettes are legal.

Dracargen

This isn't an argument for marijuana, but an argument against cigarettes.

Well, if they're not gonna ban cigarettes, it'd only be fair to legalize marijuana. If they did ban cigarettes, then marijuana ought to be illegal as well. I just don't like having double standards in government laws (but there are tons of them, so I guess I'll always find something to be annoyed about).

Marijuana should be legalized from the standpoint that the government shouldn't have the right to tell you what you can or cannot put into your own body. Smoking pot is not necessarily something that I agree with, but it is a victimless crime. You're only hurting yourself in doing it..SmashBrosLegend

Bull****. Tell that to families of anyone who uses drugs.

Yes.

It's not even BAD for you, why the hell shouldn't you be aloud do to it?
Canuck3000

I didn't know rapid lung destruction was good for you.

[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]Marijuana should be legalized from the standpoint that the government shouldn't have the right to tell you what you can or cannot put into your own body. Smoking pot is not necessarily something that I agree with, but it is a victimless crime. You're only hurting yourself in doing it..Dracargen

Bull****. Tell that to families of anyone who uses drugs.

[QUOTE="Canuck3000"]Yes.

It's not even BAD for you, why the hell shouldn't you be aloud do to it?
Dracargen

I didn't know rapid lung destruction was good for you.

Sorry, I don't agree with that article. I know people who have been smoking erbs for over 30+ years and they have no lung problems, i might add that they don't smoke cigs either. But..... smoking anything isn't the best thing to do. Space cakes (weed brownies) and elixer's (weed tea) are the best way to go.

Bull****. Tell that to families of anyone who uses drugs.Dracargen

They can be abusive and evil all by themselves.

In fact, I find that the same people tend to be ****ty with or without their crutches.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]Marijuana should be legalized from the standpoint that the government shouldn't have the right to tell you what you can or cannot put into your own body. Smoking pot is not necessarily something that I agree with, but it is a victimless crime. You're only hurting yourself in doing it..SmashBrosLegend

Bull****. Tell that to families of anyone who uses drugs.

I know. How is that a justification for pot use, again?

And people will get it anyway? Then they should be punished for it. Do you honestly think that people will magically stop using it if it became legal? Please. Do you honestly think that the rate of driving accidents from people who were high would go down? That worked perfectly well with alcohol, what with God-only-knows how many accidents a year.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"] Bull****. Tell that to families of anyone who uses drugs.Jandurin

They can be abusive and evil all by themselves.

In fact, I find that the same people tend to be ****ty with or without their crutches.

And why, exactly, should we give them another reason?

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="Canuck3000"]Yes.

It's not even BAD for you, why the hell shouldn't you be aloud do to it?
shyskillz

I didn't know rapid lung destruction was good for you.

Sorry, I don't agree with that article. I know people who have been smoking erbs for over 30+ years and they have no lung problems, i might add that they don't smoke cigs either. But..... smoking anything isn't the best thing to do. Space cakes (weed brownies) and elixer's (weed tea) are the best way to go.

Wow, you know someone who has been smoking for thirty years, and he appears fine, therefore the article is wrong. . . .such is the reasoning.:roll:

And why, exactly, should we give them another reason?Dracargen

[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]Marijuana should be legalized from the standpoint that the government shouldn't have the right to tell you what you can or cannot put into your own body. Smoking pot is not necessarily something that I agree with, but it is a victimless crime. You're only hurting yourself in doing it..Dracargen

Bull****. Tell that to families of anyone who uses drugs.

I know. How is that a justification for pot use, again?

And people will get it anyway? Then they should be punished for it. Do you honestly think that people will magically stop using it if it became legal? Please. Do you honestly think that the rate of driving accidents from people who were high would go down? That worked perfectly well with alcohol, what with God-only-knows how many accidents a year.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]And why, exactly, should we give them another reason?Jandurin

The other guy's thesis was that it should be legal under the premise that it hurts nobody else. . . .

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]And why, exactly, should we give them another reason?Dracargen

The other guy's thesis was that it should be legal under the premise that it hurts nobody else. . . .

[QUOTE="shyskillz"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="Canuck3000"]Yes.

It's not even BAD for you, why the hell shouldn't you be aloud do to it?
Dracargen

I didn't know rapid lung destruction was good for you.

Sorry, I don't agree with that article. I know people who have been smoking erbs for over 30+ years and they have no lung problems, i might add that they don't smoke cigs either. But..... smoking anything isn't the best thing to do. Space cakes (weed brownies) and elixer's (weed tea) are the best way to go.

Wow, you know someone who has been smoking for thirty years, and he appears fine, therefore the article is wrong. . . .such is the reasoning.:roll:

I'm sorry but that article is bull****.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]Marijuana should be legalized from the standpoint that the government shouldn't have the right to tell you what you can or cannot put into your own body. Smoking pot is not necessarily something that I agree with, but it is a victimless crime. You're only hurting yourself in doing it..SmashBrosLegend

Bull****. Tell that to families of anyone who uses drugs.

I know. How is that a justification for pot use, again?

And people will get it anyway? Then they should be punished for it. Do you honestly think that people will magically stop using it if it became legal? Please. Do you honestly think that the rate of driving accidents from people who were high would go down? That worked perfectly well with alcohol, what with God-only-knows how many accidents a year.

Laws don't keep people from killing people either. Shall we make that legal, then? But no, someone else gets hurt from murder. How about theft? There's no physical harm in theft. There's obviously no effective legal deterrent for theft.

The government does have the right to tell you what to do, unless you dispute that we don't have the right to drive. The government has no right to violate your rights; your priveledges, on the other hand, are given to you by the government, and are easily taken away.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="shyskillz"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="Canuck3000"]Yes.

It's not even BAD for you, why the hell shouldn't you be aloud do to it?
sammyjenkis898

I didn't know rapid lung destruction was good for you.

Sorry, I don't agree with that article. I know people who have been smoking erbs for over 30+ years and they have no lung problems, i might add that they don't smoke cigs either. But..... smoking anything isn't the best thing to do. Space cakes (weed brownies) and elixer's (weed tea) are the best way to go.

Wow, you know someone who has been smoking for thirty years, and he appears fine, therefore the article is wrong. . . .such is the reasoning.:roll:

I'm sorry but that article is bull****.

And that's all anyone ever has to say. "It's from the government, so it's wrong" or "it's bull**** because I say so."

Should be enough proof that pot hurts something in the brain. . . .

Laws don't keep people from killing people either. Shall we make that legal, then? But no, someone else gets hurt from murder. How about theft? There's no physical harm in theft. There's obviously no effective legal deterrent for theft.

The government does have the right to tell you what to do, unless you dispute that we don't have the right to drive. The government has no right to violate your rights; your priveledges, on the other hand, are given to you by the government, and are easily taken away.

Dracargen

[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="shyskillz"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="Canuck3000"]Yes.

It's not even BAD for you, why the hell shouldn't you be aloud do to it?
Dracargen

I didn't know rapid lung destruction was good for you.

Sorry, I don't agree with that article. I know people who have been smoking erbs for over 30+ years and they have no lung problems, i might add that they don't smoke cigs either. But..... smoking anything isn't the best thing to do. Space cakes (weed brownies) and elixer's (weed tea) are the best way to go.

Wow, you know someone who has been smoking for thirty years, and he appears fine, therefore the article is wrong. . . .such is the reasoning.:roll:

I'm sorry but that article is bull****.

And that's all anyone ever has to say. "It's from the government, so it's wrong" or "it's bull**** because I say so."

Should be enough proof that pot hurts something in the brain. . . .

Did you even read the article?

:?

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]And why, exactly, should we give them another reason?SmashBrosLegend

The other guy's thesis was that it should be legal under the premise that it hurts nobody else. . . .

What? About how people will do it anyway and all the rest of it? If it had nothing to do with your thesis ("It should be legal because it is a victimless crime") then why write it anyway?

[QUOTE="shyskillz"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="Canuck3000"]Yes.

It's not even BAD for you, why the hell shouldn't you be aloud do to it?
Dracargen

I didn't know rapid lung destruction was good for you.

Sorry, I don't agree with that article. I know people who have been smoking erbs for over 30+ years and they have no lung problems, i might add that they don't smoke cigs either. But..... smoking anything isn't the best thing to do. Space cakes (weed brownies) and elixer's (weed tea) are the best way to go.

Wow, you know someone who has been smoking for thirty years, and he appears fine, therefore the article is wrong. . . .such is the reasoning.:roll:

not someONE but ppl. I get most of my facts thru life experences and try to cut back on the he said and she said. thats one of the problems with society it learns from others which are the ( select few) the media and unfamiliar ppl and references.

after seeing the state this world is in i stop listening to media propaganda. The FDC and FTC are the real drug dealers, they maket to you every day drugs that don't heal but help you cope while the body naturally heals itself. wow!

[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]And why, exactly, should we give them another reason?Dracargen

The other guy's thesis was that it should be legal under the premise that it hurts nobody else. . . .

What? About how people will do it anyway and all the rest of it? If it had nothing to do with your thesis ("It should be legal because it is a victimless crime") then why write it anyway?

[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

You would be surprised by how many people smoke pot..and which people..

Dracargen

Again, it doesn't matter if there are another 50 million people who use pot; they are a minority.

No, legalising drugs is not the way to go. As soon as you legalise one, then people will say "well you legalised that one, so why can't you legalise this one" and a downward spiral beggins.mattyftm

What's your point? It's not like you'd be forced to take anything you didn't want to.

[QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Shiggums"]

[QUOTE="mattyftm"]No, legalising drugs is not the way to go. As soon as you legalise one, then people will say "well you legalised that one, so why can't you legalise this one" and a downward spiral beggins.Dracargen

No, that's not true. And even if some people started demanding more legalization based on that, do you think they'd get the backing to pass it through? I doubt it.

They do it already.:| How in the world can you say it's not true?

I suppose you've never heard this gem:

"Alcohol is legal. Why not pot?"

marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol. what mattyfm said was that people will want more drugs (most, if not all, of which are more harmful than marijuana) legalized. There would be no backing for legalizing drugs like cocaine or even LSD.

There already IS backing for cocaine and LSD. There has been since they were created. Marijuana is safer than alcohol, but it is still not safe, and it is not a reason to legalize it for recreation.

The point is, people will say "marijuana is legal, so why not cocaine?"

"Cocaine is legal, so why not LSD?"

And it will stay on that wheel until all drugs are either destroyed or legalized, and then we'll all wonder why we had to do as a very small minority said when the majority said "no."

So majority rules, always and forever? Glad that idea didn't prevail about slavery.

Sure lets legalize it and give it to our children. If it's ok for us to use, why can't our children right? Lame, people only want to legalize it to self induce a good feeling that they feel they need cuz they can't find happiness through a normal means.Lakin0817

Yes, because everyone who drinks or smokes gives booze and cigs to their kids (assuming they have kids). /sarcasm

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]And why, exactly, should we give them another reason?Dracargen

The other guy's thesis was that it should be legal under the premise that it hurts nobody else. . . .

You didn't read anything past the first paragraph, did you?

Edit: I support decriminalization, which would most likely be followed by legalization.

yes. i think it will help the us out. people will be more relaxed and melo about things. iam2green

that is such hippie comment.

[QUOTE="iam2green"] yes. i think it will help the us out. people will be more relaxed and melo about things. FLzthvikings87

that is such hippie comment.

Now that is funny.

Decriminalization is likely a better way to go. Eliminate incarceration and replace it with small fines. joeytentz