1. What is it gay rights movement is fighting for?
Re Definition of Marriage as "Woman and Man" ?
Or Civil Unions?
2. Is a Civil Union the same as a Marriage?
Someone enlighten the topic, thanks.
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1. What is it gay rights movement is fighting for?
Re Definition of Marriage as "Woman and Man" ?
Or Civil Unions?
2. Is a Civil Union the same as a Marriage?
Someone enlighten the topic, thanks.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Apparently, part of the problem with civil unions is that they're only good in the state in which they're given while marriages are good nationwide. That said, let 'em marry!freshgmanno they cant handle it who can't handle what?
Marriage is monogamous relationship between a man and a woman. Marriage is a religious ceremony.
A civil union is a marriage only supported by the government but still I do not agree with allowing civil unions between homosexuals. *flame shield*
The people against Gay Marriage for biblical reasons should also be against Divorce for the same reasons.LosDaddie
I am unless there is severe mistreatment by one party. I agree with even trying to work it out if there is cheating involved. If the situation cannot be fixed, then have the divorce.
Marriage is monogamous relationship between a man and a woman. Marriage is a religious ceremony. A civil union is a marriage only supported by the government but still I do not agree with allowing civil unions between homosexuals. *flame shield*mindstorm
And your reasoning for this is?
[QUOTE="freshgman"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]Apparently, part of the problem with civil unions is that they're only good in the state in which they're given while marriages are good nationwide. That said, let 'em marry!Jandurinno they cant handle it who can't handle what? hom0 sExUaLs
[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Marriage is monogamous relationship between a man and a woman. Marriage is a religious ceremony. A civil union is a marriage only supported by the government but still I do not agree with allowing civil unions between homosexuals. *flame shield*_glatisant_
And your reasoning for this is?
Because it's morally wrong maybe?Marriage is monogamous relationship between a man and a woman. Marriage is a religious ceremony. A civil union is a marriage only supported by the government but still I do not agree with allowing civil unions between homosexuals. *flame shield*mindstorm
And your reasoning for this is?
Because it's morally wrong maybe? No it's not.Solution: Ban religious marriages and only allow civil unions as a valid relitionship status.jointedI'd then be sent to prison because I will not marry or marry other people unless it is religious. I'd be willing to go to prison for not only this but other moral matters.
[QUOTE="jointed"]Solution: Ban religious marriages and only allow civil unions as a valid relitionship status.mindstormI'd then be sent to prison because I will not marry or marry other people unless it is religious. I'd be willing to go to prison for not only this but other moral matters. Lucky for you, not being married isn't against the law!
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] Because it's morally wrong maybe?mindstormNo it's not. Oh ok, didn't realize. >_> I would know. I'm an expert on moral questions.
I dont have a problems with homosexuals but I belive "marrige" should be man and women -Theirs no harm in it but your changing the sanctity of marriage that has existed from the birth of humanitykemar7856The belief that marriage is something sacred that shouldn't be altered in that way is a Christian belief and marriage existed LOOOOOOOONG before Christianity.
[QUOTE="kemar7856"]I dont have a problems with homosexuals but I belive "marrige" should be man and women -Theirs no harm in it but your changing the sanctity of marriage that has existed from the birth of humanityTeenagedThe belief that marriage is something sacred that shouldn't be altered in that way is a Christian belief and marriage existed LOOOOOOOONG before Christianity. *turns to Genesis chapter 2* Yup.
[QUOTE="jointed"]Solution: Ban religious marriages and only allow civil unions as a valid relitionship status.mindstormI'd then be sent to prison because I will not marry or marry other people unless it is religious. I'd be willing to go to prison for not only this but other moral matters. Who said anything about prison? We're talking capital punishment here.
[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] No it's not.JandurinOh ok, didn't realize. >_> I would know. I'm an expert on moral questions. I would not trust you with anything else though.
[QUOTE="_glatisant_"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]Marriage is monogamous relationship between a man and a woman. Marriage is a religious ceremony. A civil union is a marriage only supported by the government but still I do not agree with allowing civil unions between homosexuals. *flame shield*mindstorm
And your reasoning for this is?
Because it's morally wrong maybe?But not everyone has the same morals.
As for me, homosexual people aren't looking to legalize gay marriage as much as they're trying to be happy with the fact that they can, legally, be considered married. After all, no one has the right to hold someone from behing happy.
[QUOTE="kemar7856"]I dont have a problems with homosexuals but I belive "marrige" should be man and women -Theirs no harm in it but your changing the sanctity of marriage that has existed from the birth of humanityTeenagedThe belief that marriage is something sacred that shouldn't be altered in that way is a Christian belief and marriage existed LOOOOOOOONG before Christianity. Because something has always been, it shall always be, eh?
[QUOTE="freshgman"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] who can't handle what?DrSpongehom0 sExUaLs Why can't homosexuals handle being married to each other? O_o i have no idea. But it would help their case if they stopped having those pride parades. humping the american flag on a float wont sway public opinion in their favour
I still can't seem to wrap my head around it...
If you can't give them equal rights then no rights at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZMf9mPB_nE
I don't like this guy much, and i especially don't like how people say
..." in the world christianity, and islam, and the jews believe in one man and one woman"
no one finds it odd to sa "the jews"
it's like saying "the blacks" or am i being finnicky.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] Oh ok, didn't realize. >_>dave123321I would know. I'm an expert on moral questions. I would not trust you with anything else though. Smart man. Just because I know the answers doesn't mean I follow them. I'd as likely brain you and sell you as shake your hand!
[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="kemar7856"]I dont have a problems with homosexuals but I belive "marrige" should be man and women -Theirs no harm in it but your changing the sanctity of marriage that has existed from the birth of humanitymindstormThe belief that marriage is something sacred that shouldn't be altered in that way is a Christian belief and marriage existed LOOOOOOOONG before Christianity. *turns to Genesis chapter 2* Yup.I don't have the Bible in front of me to know what you are talking about. So you believe that marriage was first founded by Christianity?
[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]The people against Gay Marriage for biblical reasons should also be against Divorce for the same reasons.mindstorm
I am unless there is severe mistreatment by one party. I agree with even trying to work it out if there is cheating involved. If the situation cannot be fixed, then have the divorce.
I applaud you for being consistent. :)
There are so many people against gay marriage, but totally for divorce.
[QUOTE="DrSponge"][QUOTE="freshgman"] hom0 sExUaLsfreshgmanWhy can't homosexuals handle being married to each other? O_o i have no idea. But it would help their case if they stopped having those pride parades. humping the american flag on a float wont sway public opinion in their favour lol humping the american flag? you realize that in many other countries they would be killed for a parade. and you should research how the gay pride parade came to be but i agree it goes overboard with it's explicit flirty behaviours
[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]The people against Gay Marriage for biblical reasons should also be against Divorce for the same reasons.LosDaddie
I am unless there is severe mistreatment by one party. I agree with even trying to work it out if there is cheating involved. If the situation cannot be fixed, then have the divorce.
I applaud you for being consistent. :)
There are so many people against gay marriage, but totally for divorce.
that's not being consistent :?[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="kemar7856"]I dont have a problems with homosexuals but I belive "marrige" should be man and women -Theirs no harm in it but your changing the sanctity of marriage that has existed from the birth of humanityJandurinThe belief that marriage is something sacred that shouldn't be altered in that way is a Christian belief and marriage existed LOOOOOOOONG before Christianity. Because something has always been, it shall always be, eh?No, I just find it OK for Christians to object gay men and women getting married IN a church but they should not raise issues against the word "marriage". The point here is the civil unions to acquire the same priviliges as a marriage and to be called marriage.
[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]The belief that marriage is something sacred that shouldn't be altered in that way is a Christian belief and marriage existed LOOOOOOOONG before Christianity.Teenaged*turns to Genesis chapter 2* Yup.So you believe that marriage was first founded by Christianity? Nope, Christianity is only 2000 years old. Marriage is a lot older as well as God defining what marriage is.
[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] I would know. I'm an expert on moral questions.JandurinI would not trust you with anything else though. Smart man. Just because I know the answers doesn't mean I follow them. I'd as likely brain you and sell you as shake your hand! You are a very bad man and I will never talk to you again.
[QUOTE="DrSponge"][QUOTE="freshgman"] hom0 sExUaLsfreshgmanWhy can't homosexuals handle being married to each other? O_o i have no idea. But it would help their case if they stopped having those pride parades. humping the american flag on a float wont sway public opinion in their favour Pride parades irritate me. They want to be treated equally, yet they show their difference by flaunting it at a parade...
[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] *turns to Genesis chapter 2* Yup.mindstormSo you believe that marriage was first founded by Christianity? Nope, Christianity is only 2000 years old. Marriage is a lot older as well as God defining what marriage is.Then they shouldn't have a Christian marriage as defined by ... hem... god >__> . What's the problem in having a marriage as people had before Christianity? (not referring to rituals but the meaning behind it which is simply uniting two people who love eahc other)
You are a very bad man and I will never talk to you again.dave123321Just because I am amoral doesn't mean I don't have feelings :(
[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Apparently, part of the problem with civil unions is that they're only good in the state in which they're given while marriages are good nationwide. That said, let 'em marry!freshgmanno they cant handle itthey what do you mean they???
[QUOTE="dave123321"]You are a very bad man and I will never talk to you again.JandurinJust because I am amoral doesn't mean I don't have feelings :( Well perhaps you should not be so willing to sell me to a gang of thieves.
[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]So you believe that marriage was first founded by Christianity?TeenagedNope, Christianity is only 2000 years old. Marriage is a lot older as well as God defining what marriage is.Then they shouldn't have a Christian marriage as defined by ... hem... god God is older than Christianity... He is who defines it. Moses wrote about marriage 3500 years ago and even then he mentioned thousands of years of marriage before that.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="dave123321"]You are a very bad man and I will never talk to you again.dave123321Just because I am amoral doesn't mean I don't have feelings :( Well perhaps you should not be so willing to sell me to a gang of thieves. I would've sold you to a harem of beautiful virgins!
[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]I am unless there is severe mistreatment by one party. I agree with even trying to work it out if there is cheating involved. If the situation cannot be fixed, then have the divorce.
Jandurin
I applaud you for being consistent. :)
There are so many people against gay marriage, but totally for divorce.
that's not being consistent :?Well, the Bible does say that adultery is the only reason divorce should be allowed. At least I think so.
[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] Just because I am amoral doesn't mean I don't have feelings :(JandurinWell perhaps you should not be so willing to sell me to a gang of thieves. I would've sold you to a harem of beautiful virgins! That is much better Jandurin. I now believe in your wisdom and greatness again.
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