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[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="ATT-Fighter"]Although I hate what they do its none of my business. It is my business when the government legalizes it. Its basically saying its OK to our children. Vandalvideo
And your children will instantly want to become gay because of being "exposed" to homosexual role-models. :roll: Homosexuality is not contageous, or conscious.

Or is it? I mean they recently foudn that fat was contagious.

I think it's only contagious if you eat it.
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Fat is contageous??? Besides homosexual people are being promoted by the media all the time these days. Every tv series has a gay couple, more news on how gay people claim their right etc. If it were to happen, wouldn't it happen with those things alone?Teenaged
Yes, recent studies have shown that an antigen known as AD-36 is in the majority of fatties. This virus causes fatness to some degree. Or atleast a propensity of fatness. And maybe there needs to be physical contact for gay to transfer?
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Fat is contageous??? Besides homosexual people are being promoted by the media all the time these days. Every tv series has a gay couple, more news on how gay people claim their right etc. If it were to happen, wouldn't it happen with those things alone?Vandalvideo
Yes, recent studies have shown that an antigen known as AD-36 is in the majority of fatties. This virus causes fatness to some degree. Or atleast a propensity of fatness. And maybe there needs to be physical contact for gay to transfer?

Ah, you mean inherited? But homosexuality (as specualted) is not due to a gene or anything related, because that would make straight parents have only straight children. And how do you explain bisexuals? If it were something contageous it would either affect you and then you would be gay or it would leave you straight.
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Fat is contageous??? Besides homosexual people are being promoted by the media all the time these days. Every tv series has a gay couple, more news on how gay people claim their right etc. If it were to happen, wouldn't it happen with those things alone?Vandalvideo
Yes, recent studies have shown that an antigen known as AD-36 is in the majority of fatties. This virus causes fatness to some degree. Or atleast a propensity of fatness. And maybe there needs to be physical contact for gay to transfer?

I heard about that, I just thought they were referring to fat as a social disease.
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Ah, you mean a virus? But homosexuality is not a virus, nor (as specualted) is it due to a gene, because that would make straight parents have only straight children. And how do you explain bisexuals? If it were something contageous it would either affect you and then you would be gay or it would leave you straight.Teenaged
Hey, we didn't know a virus could cause fatness until relatively recently. Most chronically obese people were thought just to be fatties who ate too much McDonalds and never exercised.......anyway to draw a parralel. Maybe there is an undetected virus that causes gayness, and some people have a natural immunity, or atleast partial resistance to the gay virus. Thus bisexuals are not turned fully gay by the virus. Disclaimer: Don't take anything I just said as fact. Its highly suppositional.
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#556 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Ah, you mean a virus? But homosexuality is not a virus, nor (as specualted) is it due to a gene, because that would make straight parents have only straight children. And how do you explain bisexuals? If it were something contageous it would either affect you and then you would be gay or it would leave you straight.Vandalvideo
Hey, we didn't know a virus could cause fatness until relatively recently. Most chronically obese people were thought just to be fatties who ate too much McDonalds and never exercised.......anyway to draw a parralel. Maybe there is an undetected virus that causes gayness, and some people have a natural immunity, or atleast partial resistance to the gay virus. Thus bisexuals are not turned fully gay by the virus. Disclaimer: Don't take anything I just said as fact. Its highly suppositional.

Yeah I understand how you put it. But even so the other users comment on "children will think its right" fails again, as it would be enough for these children to not come in sexual contact with homosexuals. And then a homosexual marriage would then even help because it would mean than no gay person will ever marry someone of the opposit gender and thus won't spread the virus.

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[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]May I ask, practically where's the harm in this, or in sex that is not intended for having babies (other that the fact that it obviously does not contribute to the continuation of the species)?Qooroo

Masturbation makes sexual pleasure seem acceptable to the person. Therefore, they are more likely to think that it is okay to have sex with an individual, when it is not.

So, essentially, you're saying 'sex is wrong'...why?

I am antisexual. The only time sex is a viable option is for reproduction. That was the intention of it and it shouldn't be misused for recreational purposes. So that scratches out homosexuality as a result.
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[QUOTE="Qooroo"]

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"] Masturbation makes sexual pleasure seem acceptable to the person. Therefore, they are more likely to think that it is okay to have sex with an individual, when it is not.Genetic_Code

So, essentially, you're saying 'sex is wrong'...why?

I am antisexual. The only time sex is a viable option is for reproduction. That was the intention of it and it shouldn't be misused for recreational purposes. So that scratches out homosexuality as a result.

But sex has bona fide recreational purposes.
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But sex has bona fide recreational purposes.-Sun_Tzu-
From a consequential standpoint, sex may sound acceptable. However, I don't accept that premise. Cheating and getting away with it also has advantageous purposes. That doesn't make it right. Which is exactly why sex is immoral, no matter the temptation or the effect it may have to the human. It is wrong because you are using sex for what it was never intended for.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]But sex has bona fide recreational purposes.Genetic_Code
From a consequential standpoint, sex may sound acceptable. However, I don't accept that premise. Cheating and getting away with it also has advantageous purposes. That doesn't make it right. Which is exactly why sex is immoral, no matter the temptation or the effect it may have to the human. It is wrong because you are using sex for what it was never intended for.

Who says sex was only intended for procreational purposes?
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Who says sex was only intended for procreational purposes?-Sun_Tzu-
Many people over the course of time have said that. However, that doesn't matter. You don't have to take their word for it. The fact that sex can be used for reproductive purposes should indicate that it shouldn't be done for the sake of it, especially if you are not planning children and the best way to plan children is through a marriage.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Who says sex was only intended for procreational purposes?Genetic_Code
Many people over the course of time have said that. However, that doesn't matter. You don't have to take their word for it. The fact that sex can be used for reproductive purposes should indicate that it shouldn't be done for the sake of it, especially if you are not planning children and the best way to plan children is through a marriage.

And food serves to fill your stomach. Is it bad when you eat just to taste it?
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[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Who says sex was only intended for procreational purposes?Teenaged
Many people over the course of time have said that. However, that doesn't matter. You don't have to take their word for it. The fact that sex can be used for reproductive purposes should indicate that it shouldn't be done for the sake of it, especially if you are not planning children and the best way to plan children is through a marriage.

And food serves to fill your stomach. Is it bad when you eat just to taste it?

Actually, it is. If you are full, why are you eating more? You should never overeat. Perfect analogy. I'll use that next time. :)
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"] Many people over the course of time have said that. However, that doesn't matter. You don't have to take their word for it. The fact that sex can be used for reproductive purposes should indicate that it shouldn't be done for the sake of it, especially if you are not planning children and the best way to plan children is through a marriage.Genetic_Code
And food serves to fill your stomach. Is it bad when you eat just to taste it?

Actually, it is. If you are full, why are you eating more? You should never overeat. Perfect analogy. I'll use that next time. :)

No. Many times I eat even if I'm not really hungry just because something in front of me is tasty. You can't say that people eat chips or chocolate bars because they are hungry. It's the taste that makes them eat them
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Who says sex was only intended for procreational purposes?Genetic_Code
Many people over the course of time have said that. However, that doesn't matter. You don't have to take their word for it. The fact that sex can be used for reproductive purposes should indicate that it shouldn't be done for the sake of it, especially if you are not planning children and the best way to plan children is through a marriage.

But sex also relieves stress and pain, it benefits the health of the cardiovascular system, it reduces the chance of prostate cancer, and it can be used to treat insomnia among other things. It doesn't just serve a procreational purpose from a biological standpoint.
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@Teenaged

Then it's wrong. It's called over-indulging, although we're all guilty of that in some form.

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Who says sex was only intended for procreational purposes?-Sun_Tzu-
Many people over the course of time have said that. However, that doesn't matter. You don't have to take their word for it. The fact that sex can be used for reproductive purposes should indicate that it shouldn't be done for the sake of it, especially if you are not planning children and the best way to plan children is through a marriage.

But sex also relieves stress and pain, it benefits the health of the cardiovascular system, it reduces the chance of prostate cancer, and it can be used to treat insomnia among other things. It doesn't just serve a procreational purpose from a biological standpoint.

I'm aware that there are benefits of sex. I'll read that article. In fact, I'll email it to myself. Until then, I have to go. Sorry. Oh, and isn't it funny how a thread about same-sex marriage is turned into a thread about sex? :P

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[QUOTE="Qooroo"]

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"] Masturbation makes sexual pleasure seem acceptable to the person. Therefore, they are more likely to think that it is okay to have sex with an individual, when it is not.Genetic_Code

So, essentially, you're saying 'sex is wrong'...why?

I am antisexual. The only time sex is a viable option is for reproduction. That was the intention of it and it shouldn't be misused for recreational purposes. So that scratches out homosexuality as a result.

Homosexuality isn't all about sex. :? Being bi I know this. I wish people would stop looking at homosexuals as horny pigs and start looking at them as people who have feelings and affection for each other.
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@Teenaged

Then it's wrong. It's called over-indulging, although we're all guilty of that in some form.

Genetic_Code
No it's not. Taste is not there for nothing. And I do not accept that it's there just to make sure people will want to eat.
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[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="Qooroo"]

So, essentially, you're saying 'sex is wrong'...why?

Aquat1cF1sh

I am antisexual. The only time sex is a viable option is for reproduction. That was the intention of it and it shouldn't be misused for recreational purposes. So that scratches out homosexuality as a result.

Homosexuality isn't all about sex. :? Being bi I know this. I wish people would stop looking at homosexuals as horny pigs and start looking at them as people who have feelings and affection for each other.

I agree with you Aqua.

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Homosexuality isn't all about sex. :? Being bi I know this. I wish people would stop looking at homosexuals as horny pigs and start looking at them as people who have feelings and affection for each other.Aquat1cF1sh
Well, I meant in addition to heterosexuality and bisexuality. I am very sorry if that sounded like a double standard. Anyway, I have to go. Bye.
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[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]And food serves to fill your stomach. Is it bad when you eat just to taste it?Teenaged
Actually, it is. If you are full, why are you eating more? You should never overeat. Perfect analogy. I'll use that next time. :)

No. Many times I eat even if I'm not really hungry just because something in front of me is tasty. You can't say that people eat chips or chocolate bars because they are hungry. It's the taste that makes them eat them

well said!!!
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Either a) give the ability to marry to all consenting adults b) change the name of government marriage to civil unions and preserve "marriage" as a religious term and "married" can just be used as slang, instead of saying "i'm civilly unionized" :P
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Last I checked, the United States isn't a Christian theocracy. I say let someone marry whoever he or she feels like marrying.
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I already did research, your just denying the evidence, thats your choice, I cant help you if you dont want to listen to reason. I dont have to look at the bible to know homosexuality is wrong, you can just use science. Those where the laws of Isreal, gods laws, keeping his sabboth holy was a commandment, I read them myself, it is still a sin to disobey your parents. That was gods involvment, if you work on the sabboth day, your disobeying god, when you disobey god you die. The reason is that god was personally there, it was much different back then, god was even right in front of them, he was visible to them. And what evidence do you have that marriage was established thousands of years before christianity, you dont even know what was thousands of years before.by the definition of marriage you can't be a homosexual, it is definitively impossible. To try to argue this, is to waste time, and what is your evidence that homosexual marriage is positive? And it does effect me, just like how the economy effects me, if all the rich people lose their money, eventually no money can be invested into expanding business, and eventually it hurts the poor. There has been people who have actually been fined for not assosiating with homosexuals, which should be a first amendment right, so it does effect me.

Besides who are you to say that the bible is false, you are but a vapor on the earth to think that you know better, the bible is historic text, just think about why the authors wrote it, how it reads.

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Everything highlighted in green = I LOL'd out loud.

The only thing I have gathered from this post is that you know very little of not only homosexuals, but of the United State's economy, constitutional rights, ancient history and the many fields of science.

What sort of reason do you uphold? I see no logical reasoning coming from using an ancient manuscript for deciding the ethical and moral settings of a modern day society.

No scientific experiment in the history of man has ever proven that homosexuals are somehow inferior than anybody else.

You die regardless of whether you obey God or not--it's called "aging", or "getting old and wrinkley".

When was marriage originally created? Before recorded history--thousands of years before Christianity was even created.

What is my evidence that homosexual marriage is positive? Easy; because it's not negative. Show me one case--absolutely one case at all--that proves that marriage between homosexuals is wrong because the problem is caused by their sexuality.

Also, the economy doesn't revolve around the rich, nor the poor, nor the middle **** It revolves around every citizen within the country as a whole. Also, even if somehow the economy were to fail, how would this be all the homosexuals' faults?

Show me the case(s) where people were fined for refusing to marry homosexuals, and then I and everybody else will tear that arguement apart, just like the rest of your arguement.

Last, the Bible is not a historical document; far from it. The Bible, at it's very best, can be considered a moral guideline and, at it's worst, can be considered complete, uncensored, contradicting insanity.

Is there anything else you'd like to add to that? Oh right, you do:

I never used the bible yet, but I can if it helps support my arguement, another thing is it can force people to become homosexual, in one passage it says "even the woman have gone against nature," (not an exact quote), which means that they were turned into homosexuals because all the men where abandoning woman for sex with each other (burning with passion).

This does not have to be about god at all, maybe you should research about slaves and such. You realise that god personally freed the jews from slavery right? But the kind of slaves back then where not abused, there was many rules, it was a way to support people who had no way of supporting themselves. But it was not what god originally intended for man, just like polygamy was not the original intention of gods creation. In the new testement he puts polygamy in the grave, god allowed polygamy. The reason was to reproduce quicker, because men would die in wars, etc.

You know the reality is you lack understanding of the bible, so in your ignorance you just refute it, even though you dont know it at all.

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Again, the green = Lawls.

In your first sentence, you just stated that the Bible causes homosexuality. I am pretty sure this is a mere type-o on your part, but it definiately doesn't help support your credibility, nor does posting such vague verses (that aren't even an exact quote) from a 2,000 year old religious book as well. Also, sex is not a chosen lifestyle.

Are you saying that the slaves were better off being slaves because they couldn't run their own lives? What a horribly pessimistic and undeniably rude way to think of them; they were slaves because they were forced to work and live the lifestyles they had. If you consider that a better lifestyle than living freely with friends and family, then I seriously don't know what to tell you.

YOU TOO don't know everything there is about life, yet you try to uphold your precious holy book as the complete and infallible laws of life; the morality that everybody should live; and the pinacle of logical understanding. You are only fooling yourself if you share such an isolated, intransmutable sense of reality.

My advice to you: read outside of the biased Christian sources, magazines, movies, whatever; learn about the different cultures, belief systems, and ethnic backgrounds; study the fields of science and learn all about physics, chemistry, biology, astronomy and other major branches of science as well; learn about world history, the first humans and their varying life****, early civilizations, and all cultures & regions of the world from the start of recorded history up until modern times; study American politics, how the government works and the influencing factors of economy; and finally, research and educate yourself upon critical thinking, successful arguementation and logical fallacies. Until you have accomplished all of the above, I suggest you keep your opinion to yourself.

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no. i like things the way they are. man and woman. freshgman
same :P
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I say let someone marry whoever he or she feels like marrying.tycoonmike
What if that's your first cousin? :?
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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]I say let someone marry whoever he or she feels like marrying.Stevo_the_gamer
What if that's your first cousin? :?

I thought that was legal, in any case? And the main problem with incest is that children are a lot more exposed to genetic diseases, as there is a much higher possibility of having two defective recessive alleles for the same gene.

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"]I say let someone marry whoever he or she feels like marrying._glatisant_

What if that's your first cousin? :?

I thought that was legal, in any case? And the main problem with incest is that children are a lot more exposed to genetic diseases, as there is a much higher possibility of having two defective recessive alleles for the same gene.

Only in some states. (Ew)
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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]I say let someone marry whoever he or she feels like marrying.Stevo_the_gamer
What if that's your first cousin? :?

Then so be it.

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I'm against it, I don't want to see such horror.Devour2Survive

This...

... is basically how I read that. Correct me if I'm wrong. If that's the case (and I know the original comment was quite a few pages back, this is more of a general statement. I just picked this reply to quote because it's the most amusingto me), I seriously suggest you open your mind.

Homosexual couples and individuals should have every single right that hetersexuals do. Before you say they get that in civil unions (the very existence of which I would consider an insult were I homosexual), that don't. There are a lot of benefits to marriage that civily united couples do not receive. Even if that is the case, they're still separate but equal, which was established to be illegal in Brown v. Board of Education due to being inherently unequal.

Oh, and before (well, after) you start talking about health issues and such (or the stupid "parts don't work" arugment that just REEKS of the naturalistic fallacy), it's important to note that, married or not, gays are going to have sex, and to think otherwise is completely ridiculous. I don't understand why one would even consider using that as an argument.

ALSO, the whole "family structure" and "collapse of the Western World" thing doesn't work either because we have gay couples adopting and the kids turn out fine. There are also parts of the world where gay marriage is legal (Canada and some The Netherlands if I'm not mistaken, off the top of my head), and everything is fine.

That's my (admittedly, somewhat outspoken) two cents anyway.

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[QUOTE="Qooroo"]

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"] Masturbation makes sexual pleasure seem acceptable to the person. Therefore, they are more likely to think that it is okay to have sex with an individual, when it is not.Genetic_Code

So, essentially, you're saying 'sex is wrong'...why?

I am antisexual. The only time sex is a viable option is for reproduction. That was the intention of it and it shouldn't be misused for recreational purposes. So that scratches out homosexuality as a result.

Homosexuals are capable of having relationships beyond sex, you know.
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to be married is just womens dreams :D well i dont care if i do or i do not marry
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All Are the same for me. Just dont gaying with me and every thing is fine by me.
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#585 LosDaddie
Member since 2006 • 10318 Posts

All you people who want homsexuals to marry, you realise that your just going by your opinion right, nothing on facts, your just being gullible listening to the liberal media, and having them tell you whats ok. SegaGenesisfan

Isn't the neo-conservative mentality just grand? :)

If you disagree with them, then it's because you're weak minded and were manipulated by the evil "liberal media".

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#587 Funky_Llama
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The fact that sex can be used for reproductive purposes should indicate that it shouldn't be done for the sake of it...Genetic_Code

How so?

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#588 Lockedge
Member since 2002 • 16765 Posts
[QUOTE="SegaGenesisfan"]

All you people who want homsexuals to marry, you realise that your just going by your opinion right, nothing on facts, your just being gullible listening to the liberal media, and having them tell you whats ok. LosDaddie

Isn't the neo-conservative mentality just grand? :)

If you disagree with them, then it's because you're weak minded and were manipulated by the evil "liberal media".

SegaGenesisFan tends to pop up in these threads spouting his nonsense. Whenever you put actual peer-reviewed evidence in front of him, he up and disappears. XD I truly wish he was just a troll, but he's much too dedicated to be one. :(