massive population will lead to g@y relations?(fictional situation)

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#51 Videodogg
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Homosexualism is wrong, in my opinion. It should be a woman and a man, like it was meant to be, naturally.ZAGAV3
Not natural for me buddy. Dont tell me my lifestyle is wrong either. You live your life, and i live mine...
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[QUOTE="Dr_Brocoli"]No, we wont face that cause we are facing a MASSIVE population DECLINE atm. In europe and Americas the birthrate per family on average is less than 1 or around 1 meaning in 20 years when the majority of older generation dies off, we will be a much smaller population.sSubZerOo
... Those by no way means that population growth is slowing.. You named off two of the most developed places in the world.. China, India, numerous other developing nations are having huge population problems.. Furthermore if it were not for advances in genetically modified crops we would only be able to support 2/3rds of the population, while another 2 ibllion or so starved to death.

It is slowing. According to the UN, by the year 2050 Two thirds of the earth's countries will have more deaths in a year than births. And the world wide population growth rate IS in decline. According to the U.S. census bureau, it reached a peak in the late 60's and has been in decline ever since.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Dr_Brocoli"]No, we wont face that cause we are facing a MASSIVE population DECLINE atm. In europe and Americas the birthrate per family on average is less than 1 or around 1 meaning in 20 years when the majority of older generation dies off, we will be a much smaller population.Frattracide

... Those by no way means that population growth is slowing.. You named off two of the most developed places in the world.. China, India, numerous other developing nations are having huge population problems.. Furthermore if it were not for advances in genetically modified crops we would only be able to support 2/3rds of the population, while another 2 ibllion or so starved to death.

It is slowing. According to the UN, by the year 2050 Two thirds of the earth's countries will have more deaths in a year than births. And the world wide population growth rate IS in decline. According to the U.S. census bureau, it reached a peak in the late 60's and has been in decline ever since.

OK but Dr. Brocoli is saying there's a population decline, which there most certainly is not. Maybe he meant the growth rate is declining...
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#54 BumFluff122
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Population historically speaking only goes down if one of three things happen.. War, an epidemic , or famine.. One of these things will happen when population hits critical mass.AirGuitarist87

OR a massive asteroid strikes the Earth blocking out the Sun, killing the crops and the animals food sources.

Or an entire generation would rather make out with their Monroe-bots. D:

That one is the most likely. I have to agree.

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#55 Frattracide
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[QUOTE="Frattracide"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] ... Those by no way means that population growth is slowing.. You named off two of the most developed places in the world.. China, India, numerous other developing nations are having huge population problems.. Furthermore if it were not for advances in genetically modified crops we would only be able to support 2/3rds of the population, while another 2 ibllion or so starved to death.F1_2004

It is slowing. According to the UN, by the year 2050 Two thirds of the earth's countries will have more deaths in a year than births. And the world wide population growth rate IS in decline. According to the U.S. census bureau, it reached a peak in the late 60's and has been in decline ever since.

OK but Dr. Brocoli is saying there's a population decline, which there most certainly is not. Maybe he meant the growth rate is declining...

That seems like an easy mistake to make.

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#56 cgi15
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[QUOTE="cgi15"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Rrrreeeaaalllyyyyy......

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Couple things to point out, i never said that homosexuality wasn't natural, i was just saying that just because something happens in nature doesn't mean it is preferred. Some animals kill their mate right after mating, doesn't mean that we humans should do that. Also, he said that only monkeys and dolphins have sex for enjoyment, while you listed animals that have homosexual behavior. Not the same thing. And to counter your list anyway, there is maybe 150 species listed on that list, while there are millions of species on the planet, so by current research homosexual behavior isn't that popular or diverse.

No. What he stated was that homosexual activity only occurs in monkeys and dolphins as well as humans because they enjoy sex. If you click on the mammals and the second list you'll see a much larger list oif the animals within that genre that are creatures that have been witnessed to have homosexual sex. You wqere stating that it was not natural. Natural meaning things that occur in nature. You have been shown you are wrong.

I never actually denied that homosexuality was natural. I completely agree that it is natural. What i was trying to say is that being natural should not be a reason why homosexuality is acceptable. Because one can use the nature argement as a way of saying that some things we do is acceptable(many animalseat meat so we can eat meat too, no problem there)but also as a way of saying that some things we do aren't acceptable(many animals eat dirt so wecan eat dirt too, kind of an issue there.) I don't really have a stance on homosexuality, i just don't like the whole natural argument for it because it can go both ways.

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#57 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="cgi15"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="cgi15"]

Couple things to point out, i never said that homosexuality wasn't natural, i was just saying that just because something happens in nature doesn't mean it is preferred. Some animals kill their mate right after mating, doesn't mean that we humans should do that. Also, he said that only monkeys and dolphins have sex for enjoyment, while you listed animals that have homosexual behavior. Not the same thing. And to counter your list anyway, there is maybe 150 species listed on that list, while there are millions of species on the planet, so by current research homosexual behavior isn't that popular or diverse.

No. What he stated was that homosexual activity only occurs in monkeys and dolphins as well as humans because they enjoy sex. If you click on the mammals and the second list you'll see a much larger list oif the animals within that genre that are creatures that have been witnessed to have homosexual sex. You wqere stating that it was not natural. Natural meaning things that occur in nature. You have been shown you are wrong.

I never actually denied that homosexuality was natural. I completely agree that it is natural. What i was trying to say is that being natural should not be a reason why homosexuality is acceptable. Because one can use the nature argement as a way of saying that some things we do is acceptable(many animalseat meat so we can eat meat too, no problem there)but also as a way of saying that some things we do aren't acceptable(many animals eat dirt so wecan eat dirt too, kind of an issue there.) I don't really have a stance on homosexuality, i just don't like the whole natural argument for it because it can go both ways.

It is brought up because the side that opposes has declared since the beginning that its unnatural and a abomination.
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#58 btaylor2404
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One can't make someone be attracted to the opposite sex or same sex. You either are or your not.
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#59 btaylor2404
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Homosexualism is wrong, in my opinion. It should be a woman and a man, like it was meant to be, naturally.ZAGAV3
Just a quick question. Then why does it happen "naturally" in nearly every other species of mammals?
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#60 dracula_16
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I would be up for that. It would satisfy any bi-curious fantasies we may have.

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#61 Barbariser
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It would be more likely for genocide or mass sterilization to occur than the scenario you presented. People can't just clap their hands and change their orientations on the go, so its effectuality will be questionable.

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I was reading a summary of a book that in the future the worlds government and overall all society was encouraging homosexual relationships with one another to stop child birth and it would actually be illegal if you have more than one child.You know teachers teaching that it's ok to be gay perants asking their children to find good mates to be with. Do you think this could ever become a probable situation in the future? What are your thoughts on this? would be pro or against this sort of future?

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This will never happen, especially what I have bolded. No one would tolerate this and would revolt if a law like this would be implemented. Besides, a person cannot be encouraged or forced to accept a sexual preference.

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One can't make someone be attracted to the opposite sex or same sex. You either are or your not. btaylor2404
All of a sudden I feel strangely attracted to you after this post.
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#64 Anarchy4hire82
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[QUOTE="ZAGAV3"]Homosexualism is wrong, in my opinion. It should be a woman and a man, like it was meant to be, naturally.ps3gamer2009
Meant? By who? >:

Jeebus came down from Mt. Olympus and told me it was wrong.........

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Homosexualism is wrong, in my opinion. It should be a woman and a man, like it was meant to be, naturally.ZAGAV3

Indeed sir, Indeed.

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#66 PeaceChild90
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Is everyone forgetting that gay people can still have children? And how exactly do you make someone a homosexual?

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Is everyone forgetting that gay people can still have children? And how exactly do you make someone a homosexual?

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genetic alteration.

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#68 Johnny-n-Roger
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="PeaceChild90"]

Is everyone forgetting that gay people can still have children? And how exactly do you make someone a homosexual?

genetic alteration.

Is homosexuality genetic or behavioral?
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#69 BumFluff122
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="PeaceChild90"]

Is everyone forgetting that gay people can still have children? And how exactly do you make someone a homosexual?

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genetic alteration.

Is homosexuality genetic or behavioral?

I believe the current hypothesis is that both play a role. Which is the reason why twins are sometimes born one gay and one not. And it's the reason why you can't suddenly decide to be gay one day and straight the next.

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#70 magnax1
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[QUOTE="PeaceChild90"]

Is everyone forgetting that gay people can still have children? And how exactly do you make someone a homosexual?

BumFluff122

genetic alteration.

Its kind of hard to pass on your genes when you aren't having sex whith the opposite sex. Kind of kills the gay gene theory for you.

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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="PeaceChild90"]

Is everyone forgetting that gay people can still have children? And how exactly do you make someone a homosexual?

magnax1

genetic alteration.

Its kind of hard to pass on your genes when you aren't having sex whith the opposite sex. Kind of kills the gay gene theory for you.

I know more than a few (10-15 personally) people who came out later in life after having 1 or more children. Not to torpedo your theory torpedo.
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#72 BumFluff122
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Its kind of hard to pass on your genes when you aren't having sex whith the opposite sex. Kind of kills the gay gene theory for you.

magnax1

So then blue eyes are passed onto all children of people who have blue eyes? No. If a brown eyed individual and a blue eyed individual have children there is a chance that the eyes may be blue but there is a greater chance that the eyes will be brown. More than likely there are a number of genes in the human body that lead someone being more open to a homosexual lifestyle.

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#73 Johnny-n-Roger
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[QUOTE="magnax1"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]genetic alteration.

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Its kind of hard to pass on your genes when you aren't having sex whith the opposite sex. Kind of kills the gay gene theory for you.

I know more than a few (10-15 personally) people who came out later in life after having 1 or more children. Not to torpedo your theory torpedo.

Did they "come out" or claim that they "didn't know they were gay I have to question any grown adult that could not know their sexual orientation.

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#74 Johnny-n-Roger
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

Its kind of hard to pass on your genes when you aren't having sex whith the opposite sex. Kind of kills the gay gene theory for you.

So then blue eyes are passed onto all children of people who have blue eyes? No. If a brown eyed individual and a blue eyed individual have children there is a chance that the eyes may be blue but there is a greater chance that the eyes will be brown. More than likely there are a number of genes in the human body that lead someone being more open to a homosexual lifestyle.

Not to mention recessive genes.
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[QUOTE="magnax1"]

Its kind of hard to pass on your genes when you aren't having sex whith the opposite sex. Kind of kills the gay gene theory for you.

BumFluff122

So then blue eyes are passed onto all children of people who have blue eyes? No. If a brown eyed individual and a blue eyed individual have children there is a chance that the eyes may be blue but there is a greater chance that the eyes will be brown. More than likely there are a number of genes in the human body that lead someone being more open to a homosexual lifestyle.

Yeah, but the gene would still die out sooner rather than Later. Difference is, people with blue eyes (and the recessive gene that comes with it) still want to have sex with people with brown eyes. I'm not saying its completely a choice(whether something leans you towards it doesn't mean you don't have a choice). There have been some studies lately that point towards it being because of hormone imbalances in the mothers womb.

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[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]One can't make someone be attracted to the opposite sex or same sex. You either are or your not. sSubZerOo
All of a sudden I feel strangely attracted to you after this post.

It's ok, it happens :P.
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

Its kind of hard to pass on your genes when you aren't having sex whith the opposite sex. Kind of kills the gay gene theory for you.

magnax1

So then blue eyes are passed onto all children of people who have blue eyes? No. If a brown eyed individual and a blue eyed individual have children there is a chance that the eyes may be blue but there is a greater chance that the eyes will be brown. More than likely there are a number of genes in the human body that lead someone being more open to a homosexual lifestyle.

Yeah, but the gene would still die out sooner rather than Later. Difference is, people with blue eyes (and the recessive gene that comes with it) still want to have sex with people with brown eyes. I'm not saying its completely a choice(whether something leans you towards it doesn't mean you don't have a choice). There have been some studies lately that point towards it being because of hormone imbalances in the mothers womb.

You misunderstand what I said. If there is a single recessive gene called X it's opposite called Y then everyone with a Y gene will be straight if that is what the dominant Y gene is for. YY,YX and XY will all be straight. The only homosexuality breought out of that single sequence would be XX. A YX and an XY indivudal can still have an XX child. Chances are though that there are multiple genes associated with being homosexual.

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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="ZAGAV3"]Homosexualism is wrong, in my opinion. It should be a woman and a man, like it was meant to be, naturally.snowyfleury
Kind of like how homosexuality is prevalent in nature and other species?

only monkeys and dolphins, because they are the only other animals that enjoy intercourse.

How would you know?

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[QUOTE="ZAGAV3"]Homosexualism is wrong, in my opinion. It should be a woman and a man, like it was meant to be, naturally.HoolaHoopMan
Kind of like how homosexuality is prevalent in nature and other species?

Erm realy?

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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="ZAGAV3"]Homosexualism is wrong, in my opinion. It should be a woman and a man, like it was meant to be, naturally.chaplainDMK

Kind of like how homosexuality is prevalent in nature and other species?

Erm realy?

Yes, really: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals
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#81 AudioPrison
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Homosexualism is wrong, in my opinion. It should be a woman and a man, like it was meant to be, naturally.ZAGAV3

Only because we have been lead to believe that.Theres absolutaly nothing wrong with being with someone you love, someone that makes you really happy. Even if they are the same sex.

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#82 TheFlush
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Although the world would be totally fabulous, I don't think it would happen. ;)

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#83 DDX2
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Hey OP, is the book you're talking about The Forever War?

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#84 ice_radon
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No, just ban most minorities, poor and people like those "18 and counting religious idiots" from mating...even once. No gay-conversions needed!
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[QUOTE="Frattracide"]

Population growth is currently in decline. And if current rates continue, we could see general world depopulation by the end of this century. That is, we could see more deaths than births over the course of a year. So I don't think that scenario is very likely.

There are six billion human beings on this planet, so I don't find us going anywhere soon, exept if an astroid or aliens come and wipe us out.
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[QUOTE="ZAGAV3"]Homosexualism is wrong, in my opinion. It should be a woman and a man, like it was meant to be, naturally.AudioPrison

Only because we have been lead to believe that.Theres absolutaly nothing wrong with being with someone you love, someone that makes you really happy. Even if they are the same sex.

Yes, it is. I'm just trying to be as natural as possible. Man does woman. Woman gets pregnant. Woman gives birth and humanity goes on. Now... Man + man = WTF?! They can't have their own children. They're basically the same thing, and that's wrong, IMO.
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[QUOTE="AudioPrison"]

[QUOTE="ZAGAV3"]Homosexualism is wrong, in my opinion. It should be a woman and a man, like it was meant to be, naturally.ZAGAV3

Only because we have been lead to believe that.Theres absolutaly nothing wrong with being with someone you love, someone that makes you really happy. Even if they are the same sex.

Yes, it is. I'm just trying to be as natural as possible. Man does woman. Woman gets pregnant. Woman gives birth and humanity goes on. Now... Man + man = WTF?! They can't have their own children. They're basically the same thing, and that's wrong, IMO.

You're trying to be as natural as possible, typing away on a computer in a house, (hopefully) wearing manufactured clothes? Homosexuality is not wrong. Not everything is about having children. Are sterile people 'wrong'? Should old people be banned from getting married? And gay people can have children - not that we have a shortage of people at the moment. There are probably hundreds of thousands of children across the would that need adopting, and same-sex couples are perfectly capable of taking in some of those children.