Medicinal Marijuana - Your Opinions?

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#201 AndrewSuh
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[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

That was my first post here: I have absolutely no problem with marijuana being used for medical purposes, by people who actually NEED it and use it responsibly.

Dracargen

Are you for the illegalization of social drinking and smoking as well then?

Drinking: Alcohol can help the heart with one glass of wine a day, but more than that I oppose.

Smoking: Absolutely yes.

Oh, so you're a fascist then?

Typical pot user tactic: label anyone who disagrees a fascist.:roll:

"A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion." [Robert O. Paxton, "The Anatomy of Fascism," 2004]

You're generalizing just as much as he is.

Anyways, I believe that it is none of the government's buisness what I put in my body. Medical cannabis has helped a great deal of people, the theraputic uses of the plant have been known for thousands of years, not to mention the incredible usefulness of hemp. There is no reason for cannabis not to be legal.

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#202 Dracargen
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Who do you think I am?

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Silver Dragon?

Keanu Reeves.:D

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#203 Dracargen
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Typically pot user tactic: label anyone who disagrees a fascist.:roll:

"A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion." [Robert O. Paxton, "The Anatomy of Fascism," 2004]

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I don't smoke pot, but thanks for generalizing. My problem is with people like you, which find it convenient to tell other people how to live their lives when they aren't hurting anyone in the process.

Would you like to outlaw Coffee because of Caffiene? Alcohol? Tobacco? If people want to consume these things responsibly they should be able too, and guess what they have the right to.

Yeah, never mind how the economy will be effected or anything, let's just let people do what they want. They want to make themselves too stupid to work? Let 'em. That'll help all of America's problems.

I never said anything about caffeine. . .I don't know enough about the drug to make an informed judgement.;)

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#204 Dracargen
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You're generalizing just as much as he is.

Anyways, I believe that it is none of the government's buisness what I put in my body. Medical cannabis has helped a great deal of people, the theraputic uses of the plant have been known for thousands of years, not to mention the incredible usefulness of hemp. There is no reason for cannabis not to be legal.

AndrewSuh

There is no reason for it be legal.:|

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#205 killtactics
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[QUOTE="killtactics"]A lot of people who use drugs use it for medical reasons (depression, anxiety)..... kinda like ..... you

the difference is some people can't afford to go to a doctor and pay for the expensive medication....

Dracargen

So. . .the obvious solution is to do it via drug dealers, who would know nothing about how much the person can take, whether or not the person actually needs it, and sells it for a cheaper-but-still-high price? Makes perfect sense, chap.

its not the obvious solution.... its the only solution.......

maybe you would understand better if your mommy wasn't buying your drugs for you....

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Yeah, never mind how the economy will be effected or anything, let's just let people do what they want. They want to make themselves too stupid to work? Let 'em. That'll help all of America's problems.

I never said anything about caffeine. . .I don't know enough about the drug to make an informed judgement.;)

Dracargen

We're on the issue of Pot. Pot would be nothing but HELPFUL to the economy if legalized. Like someone posted here earlier, companies would rage over the demand for the public and the government would tax the hell out of it. It would create jobs and the generate revenue for the private market and government.

As a secondary avenue towards legalization, there would be no more people being incarcerated for petty drug charges on weed, hence the prison system wouldn't be flooded with harmless pot smokers alleviating tax payers ONCE AGAIN.

Again, How on earth would it ruin the economy if pot were legalized?

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#207 Dracargen
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[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="killtactics"]A lot of people who use drugs use it for medical reasons (depression, anxiety)..... kinda like ..... you

the difference is some people can't afford to go to a doctor and pay for the expensive medication....

killtactics

So. . .the obvious solution is to do it via drug dealers, who would know nothing about how much the person can take, whether or not the person actually needs it, and sells it for a cheaper-but-still-high price? Makes perfect sense, chap.

its not the obvious solution.... its the only solution.......

maybe you would understand better if your mommy wasn't buying your drugs for you....

It is never the only solution, ever.

My mommy doesn't buy my drugs for me--my medical insurance does.;)

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#208 AndrewSuh
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[QUOTE="AndrewSuh"]You're generalizing just as much as he is.

Anyways, I believe that it is none of the government's buisness what I put in my body. Medical cannabis has helped a great deal of people, the theraputic uses of the plant have been known for thousands of years, not to mention the incredible usefulness of hemp. There is no reason for cannabis not to be legal.

Dracargen

There is no reason for it be legal.:|

I believe it should be legal for the sole fact that it is my right as a human being do whatever I want to myself. I don't really care about some 16 year old kids that support legalization so they can smoke without breaking the law.
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#209 Shiggums
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[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="killtactics"]A lot of people who use drugs use it for medical reasons (depression, anxiety)..... kinda like ..... you

the difference is some people can't afford to go to a doctor and pay for the expensive medication....

Dracargen

So. . .the obvious solution is to do it via drug dealers, who would know nothing about how much the person can take, whether or not the person actually needs it, and sells it for a cheaper-but-still-high price? Makes perfect sense, chap.

its not the obvious solution.... its the only solution.......

maybe you would understand better if your mommy wasn't buying your drugs for you....

It is never the only solution, ever.

My mommy doesn't buy my drugs for me--my medical insurance does.;)

some people don't have the adequate medical insurance is the thing :|

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[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

Yeah, never mind how the economy will be effected or anything, let's just let people do what they want. They want to make themselves too stupid to work? Let 'em. That'll help all of America's problems.

I never said anything about caffeine. . .I don't know enough about the drug to make an informed judgement.;)

Donkey_Puncher

We're on the issue of Pot. Pot would be nothing but HELPFUL to the economy if legalized. Like someone posted here earlier, companies would rage over the demand for the public and the government would tax the hell out of it. It would create jobs and the generate revenue for the private market and government.

As a secondary avenue towards legalization, there would be no more people being incarcerated for petty drug charges on weed, hence the prison system wouldn't be flooded with harmless pot smokers alleviating tax payers ONCE AGAIN.

Again, How on earth would it ruin the economy if pot were legalized?

I have asked this several times, and I will ask it again: If the legalization of pot can only benefit the government, then why has the government, who, according to a lot of pot smokers, will go so far as to outlaw it because of racial bias, not made it legal?

Do you think the government is too stupid to figure out what you have?

Do you think the government won't do it because any official who supports drug usage will commit political suicide? There are far worse topics that are supported by more politicians. . .

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#211 Dracargen
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[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="AndrewSuh"]You're generalizing just as much as he is.

Anyways, I believe that it is none of the government's buisness what I put in my body. Medical cannabis has helped a great deal of people, the theraputic uses of the plant have been known for thousands of years, not to mention the incredible usefulness of hemp. There is no reason for cannabis not to be legal.

AndrewSuh

There is no reason for it be legal.:|

I believe it should be legal for the sole fact that it is my right as a human being do whatever I want to myself. I don't really care about some 16 year old kids that support legalization so they can smoke without breaking the law.

So we should be making laws based on your philosophy about what you should be allowed to do and what you shouldn't be allowed to do?

I think I should be allowed to drive at 200 miles an hour at night.

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#212 Donkey_Puncher
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[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

Yeah, never mind how the economy will be effected or anything, let's just let people do what they want. They want to make themselves too stupid to work? Let 'em. That'll help all of America's problems.

I never said anything about caffeine. . .I don't know enough about the drug to make an informed judgement.;)

Dracargen

We're on the issue of Pot. Pot would be nothing but HELPFUL to the economy if legalized. Like someone posted here earlier, companies would rage over the demand for the public and the government would tax the hell out of it. It would create jobs and the generate revenue for the private market and government.

As a secondary avenue towards legalization, there would be no more people being incarcerated for petty drug charges on weed, hence the prison system wouldn't be flooded with harmless pot smokers alleviating tax payers ONCE AGAIN.

Again, How on earth would it ruin the economy if pot were legalized?

I have asked this several times, and I will ask it again: If the legalization of pot can only benefit the government, then why has the government, who, according to a lot of pot smokers, will go so far as to outlaw it because of racial bias, not made it legal?

Do you think the government is too stupid to figure out what you have?

Do you think the government won't do ti because any official who supports drug usage will do so because of political suicide? There are far worse topics that are supported by more politicians. . .

They won't legalize it because of misinformation and the social stigma that comes with it. The war on drugs is a huge platform that most of conservative americans agree with, and most delegates and officials run on this issue. To answer your question, YES the government is too stupid to realize it.

But you still didn't answer my question, HOW WILL IT RUIN THE ECONOMY?

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#213 AndrewSuh
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[QUOTE="AndrewSuh"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="AndrewSuh"]You're generalizing just as much as he is.

Anyways, I believe that it is none of the government's buisness what I put in my body. Medical cannabis has helped a great deal of people, the theraputic uses of the plant have been known for thousands of years, not to mention the incredible usefulness of hemp. There is no reason for cannabis not to be legal.

Dracargen

There is no reason for it be legal.:|

I believe it should be legal for the sole fact that it is my right as a human being do whatever I want to myself. I don't really care about some 16 year old kids that support legalization so they can smoke without breaking the law.

So we should be making laws based on your philosophy about what you should be allowed to do and what you shouldn't be allowed to do?

I think I should be allowed to drive at 200 miles an hour at night.

Not once did I say that or even imply that in my post. :roll:

There are many reasons why I think cannabis should be legalized, I just posted the one that meant the most to me, and to clarify that I don't support cannabis legalization just so I can walk down the street smoking a blunt.

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So we should be making laws based on your philosophy about what you should be allowed to do and what you shouldn't be allowed to do?

I think I should be allowed to drive at 200 miles an hour at night.

Dracargen

"The right to swing your fist ends where my face begins." This quotes sums up. A person can ingest or indulge in any activity they so wish, just as long as doing it doesn't interfere with the rights of others.

This is why drinking is legal, but drinking and driving is not. A lazy stoner or alcoholic sitting at home isn't hurting anyone but himself.

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Legalize all Marijuana for ages 14+. Seriously.
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#216 Dracargen
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[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

Yeah, never mind how the economy will be effected or anything, let's just let people do what they want. They want to make themselves too stupid to work? Let 'em. That'll help all of America's problems.

I never said anything about caffeine. . .I don't know enough about the drug to make an informed judgement.;)

Donkey_Puncher

We're on the issue of Pot. Pot would be nothing but HELPFUL to the economy if legalized. Like someone posted here earlier, companies would rage over the demand for the public and the government would tax the hell out of it. It would create jobs and the generate revenue for the private market and government.

As a secondary avenue towards legalization, there would be no more people being incarcerated for petty drug charges on weed, hence the prison system wouldn't be flooded with harmless pot smokers alleviating tax payers ONCE AGAIN.

Again, How on earth would it ruin the economy if pot were legalized?

I have asked this several times, and I will ask it again: If the legalization of pot can only benefit the government, then why has the government, who, according to a lot of pot smokers, will go so far as to outlaw it because of racial bias, not made it legal?

Do you think the government is too stupid to figure out what you have?

Do you think the government won't do ti because any official who supports drug usage will do so because of political suicide? There are far worse topics that are supported by more politicians. . .

They won't legalize it because of misinformation and the social stigma that comes with it.

Misinformation and social stigma that THEY STARTED, and that THEY support? If this misinformation was actual misinformation, don't you think they'd abandon it when they realised it would be beneficient to them?

But you still didn't answer my question, HOW WILL IT RUIN THE ECONOMY?

I did too answer your question!

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#217 Dracargen
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[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

So we should be making laws based on your philosophy about what you should be allowed to do and what you shouldn't be allowed to do?

I think I should be allowed to drive at 200 miles an hour at night.

Donkey_Puncher

"The right to swing your fist ends where my face begins." This quotes sums up. A person can ingest or indulge in any activity they so wish, just as long as doing it doesn't interfere with the rights of others.

This is why drinking is legal, but drinking and driving is not. A lazy stoner or alcoholic sitting at home isn't hurting anyone but himself.

Really?

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#218 Donkey_Puncher
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I did too answer your question!Dracargen

My question was posed as a retort to yours: How will it ruin the economy if Pot were legalized?

You haven't even elaborated as to why. You merely said "They want to make themselves too stupid to work? Let 'em. That'll help all of America's problems."

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#219 Donkey_Puncher
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[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

So we should be making laws based on your philosophy about what you should be allowed to do and what you shouldn't be allowed to do?

I think I should be allowed to drive at 200 miles an hour at night.

Dracargen

"The right to swing your fist ends where my face begins." This quotes sums up. A person can ingest or indulge in any activity they so wish, just as long as doing it doesn't interfere with the rights of others.

This is why drinking is legal, but drinking and driving is not. A lazy stoner or alcoholic sitting at home isn't hurting anyone but himself.

Really?

The same could applied to gamblers, or any other type of neglective attitude parents take.

Just because SOME people can't handle booze or pot doesn't mean everyone should have to suffer the consequences for their actions. That's not a result of drugs, it's a result of BAD PARENTING or BAD SPOUSAL reltations.

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#220 Dracargen
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[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

I did too answer your question!Donkey_Puncher

My question was posed as a retort to yours: How will it ruin the economy if Pot were legalized?

You haven't even elaborated as to why. You merely said "They want to make themselves too stupid to work? Let 'em. That'll help all of America's problems."

Last I checked, having a lot of people with short-term memory problems isn't exactly good for their work.

Or are you going to deny that as well? I suppose Brown University is in on the conspiracy.

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#221 Dracargen
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[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

So we should be making laws based on your philosophy about what you should be allowed to do and what you shouldn't be allowed to do?

I think I should be allowed to drive at 200 miles an hour at night.

Donkey_Puncher

"The right to swing your fist ends where my face begins." This quotes sums up. A person can ingest or indulge in any activity they so wish, just as long as doing it doesn't interfere with the rights of others.

This is why drinking is legal, but drinking and driving is not. A lazy stoner or alcoholic sitting at home isn't hurting anyone but himself.

Really?

The same could applied to gamblers, or any other type of neglective attitude parents take.

Just because SOME people can't handle booze or pot doesn't mean everyone should have to suffer the consequences for their actions. That's not a result of drugs, it's a result of BAD PARENTING or BAD SPOUSAL reltations.

:lol:

"It's my parents' fault!"

"It's my wife's fault!"

"It's [insert complete stranger's name here]'s fault!"

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#222 Donkey_Puncher
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[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

I did too answer your question!Dracargen

My question was posed as a retort to yours: How will it ruin the economy if Pot were legalized?

You haven't even elaborated as to why. You merely said "They want to make themselves too stupid to work? Let 'em. That'll help all of America's problems."

Last I checked, having a lot of people with short-term memory problems isn't exactly good for their work.

Or are you going to deny that as well? I suppose Brown University is in on the conspiracy.

So you're telling me that the economy will be in ruin because SOME of the public will indulge in Smoking pot, and therefor this MINORITY will bring down the economy because of "short term memory loss"?

Wow, if that's the best argument you can come up with. :lol:

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#223 Dracargen
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[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

I did too answer your question!Donkey_Puncher

My question was posed as a retort to yours: How will it ruin the economy if Pot were legalized?

You haven't even elaborated as to why. You merely said "They want to make themselves too stupid to work? Let 'em. That'll help all of America's problems."

Last I checked, having a lot of people with short-term memory problems isn't exactly good for their work.

Or are you going to deny that as well? I suppose Brown University is in on the conspiracy.

So you're telling me that the economy will be in ruin because SOME of the public will indulge in Smoking pot, and therefor this MINORITY will bring down the economy because of "short term memory loss"?

Wow, if that's the best argument you can come up with. :lol:

Mexicans are a minority; when they all quit for a day, what happened?:roll:

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#224 Donkey_Puncher
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:lol:

"It's my parents' fault!"

"It's my wife's fault!"

"It's [insert complete stranger's name here]'s fault!"

Dracargen

Yeah, lets blame the drug and not the parent. After all, it's not like it's the parents fault they abused or mistreated their kids right?

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Mexicans are a minority; when they all quit for a day, what happened?:roll:Dracargen

Wow, dude. If that really is the best you can come with...wow.

Because we all know pot smokers can't be contributing members of society and don't go to work at all.

I'm not continuing this any further.

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[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

I did too answer your question!Dracargen

My question was posed as a retort to yours: How will it ruin the economy if Pot were legalized?

You haven't even elaborated as to why. You merely said "They want to make themselves too stupid to work? Let 'em. That'll help all of America's problems."

Last I checked, having a lot of people with short-term memory problems isn't exactly good for their work.

Or are you going to deny that as well? I suppose Brown University is in on the conspiracy.

So you're telling me that the economy will be in ruin because SOME of the public will indulge in Smoking pot, and therefor this MINORITY will bring down the economy because of "short term memory loss"?

Wow, if that's the best argument you can come up with. :lol:

Mexicans are a minority; when they all quit for a day, what happened?:roll:

Amsterdam seam to be doing fine.... and by the way hundreds of thousands of ppl are on medication that affects their brain including pain killers and anti depressants...
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Increase appetite, reduce pain, potentially diminish malignant growths and all with less side effects than caffeine? I think that it shouldn't even have to be debated, it should be a "legalize it all" kind of question.

Marijuana was made illegal through lies and racism and has been kept that way through ever more ridiculous lies, its time to legalize it.

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[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

:lol:

"It's my parents' fault!"

"It's my wife's fault!"

"It's [insert complete stranger's name here]'s fault!"

Donkey_Puncher

Yeah, lets blame the drug and not the parent. After all, it's not like it's the parents fault they abused or mistreated their kids right?

Now you assume the parents mistreat the pothead kids? They certainly did something wrong along the way, since their idiot kids became potheads in the first place, but your original idea was:

"Your right to punch ends with my face"

Or something like that. Now that you see drugs don't just effect the user, you go and blame everybody but the user!

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[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

I did too answer your question!killtactics

My question was posed as a retort to yours: How will it ruin the economy if Pot were legalized?

You haven't even elaborated as to why. You merely said "They want to make themselves too stupid to work? Let 'em. That'll help all of America's problems."

Last I checked, having a lot of people with short-term memory problems isn't exactly good for their work.

Or are you going to deny that as well? I suppose Brown University is in on the conspiracy.

So you're telling me that the economy will be in ruin because SOME of the public will indulge in Smoking pot, and therefor this MINORITY will bring down the economy because of "short term memory loss"?

Wow, if that's the best argument you can come up with. :lol:

Mexicans are a minority; when they all quit for a day, what happened?:roll:

Amsterdam seam to be doing fine.... and by the way hundreds of thousands of ppl are on medication that affects their brain including pain killers and anti depressants...

China seems to be doing fine by torturing animals before killing and eating them. Let's try that.

Nazi Germany was doing fine when they were killing millions of their own citizens. Let's try that.

And by the way, people on painkillers can't work, unless they have a really mundane job. Anti-depressants don't effect your brain enough to effect your work, either. They don't effect your short-term memory, at least. . .

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#230 Aidenfury19
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You say "pothead" like its a bad thing, I know a couple of these guys and they are both very intelligent and very active in social circles and elsewhere. When you assume that marijuana is somehow bad, its not, its been used in all sorts of things for hundreds of years before a power hungry jerk at the FDN decided to grab power through lies.
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#231 AndrewSuh
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[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

I did too answer your question!Dracargen

My question was posed as a retort to yours: How will it ruin the economy if Pot were legalized?

You haven't even elaborated as to why. You merely said "They want to make themselves too stupid to work? Let 'em. That'll help all of America's problems."

Last I checked, having a lot of people with short-term memory problems isn't exactly good for their work.

Or are you going to deny that as well? I suppose Brown University is in on the conspiracy.

So you're telling me that the economy will be in ruin because SOME of the public will indulge in Smoking pot, and therefor this MINORITY will bring down the economy because of "short term memory loss"?

Wow, if that's the best argument you can come up with. :lol:

Mexicans are a minority; when they all quit for a day, what happened?:roll:

Amsterdam seam to be doing fine.... and by the way hundreds of thousands of ppl are on medication that affects their brain including pain killers and anti depressants...

China seems to be doing fine by torturing animals before killing and eating them. Let's try that.

Nazi Germany was doing fine when they were killing millions of their own citizens. Let's try that.

Wow.

Amsterdam's economy was in no way negativley affected by legalizing cannabis, especially not in the manner you posted. Last time I checked, everybody in Amsterdam wasn't wandering around in a stoned daze (except maybe tourists).

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#232 Dracargen
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Increase appetite, reduce pain, potentially diminish malignant growths and all with less side effects than caffeine? I think that it shouldn't even have to be debated, it should be a "legalize it all" kind of question.

Marijuana was made illegal through lies and racism and has been kept that way through ever more ridiculous lies, its time to legalize it.

Aidenfury19

Mess up short-term memory, throw off balance and coordination and reaction time, toxic psychosis (in extreme cases, I'll grant), respiratory illnesses (surprise! Smoking causes lung cancer!), and all for a nice feeling you can get with plenty of safe methods?

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[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

I did too answer your question!Dracargen

My question was posed as a retort to yours: How will it ruin the economy if Pot were legalized?

You haven't even elaborated as to why. You merely said "They want to make themselves too stupid to work? Let 'em. That'll help all of America's problems."

Last I checked, having a lot of people with short-term memory problems isn't exactly good for their work.

Or are you going to deny that as well? I suppose Brown University is in on the conspiracy.

So you're telling me that the economy will be in ruin because SOME of the public will indulge in Smoking pot, and therefor this MINORITY will bring down the economy because of "short term memory loss"?

Wow, if that's the best argument you can come up with. :lol:

Mexicans are a minority; when they all quit for a day, what happened?:roll:

Amsterdam seam to be doing fine.... and by the way hundreds of thousands of ppl are on medication that affects their brain including pain killers and anti depressants...

China seems to be doing fine by torturing animals before killing and eating them. Let's try that.

Nazi Germany was doing fine when they were killing millions of their own citizens. Let's try that.

And by the way, people on painkillers can't work, unless they have a really mundane job. Anti-depressants don't effect your brain enough to effect your work, either. They don't effect your short-term memory, at least. . .

Dude your arguments just get lamer and lamer..... how you can compare Amsterdam to Nazi Germany is beyond my comprehension..... And actually Nazi Germany was not doing fine when they were killing their own citizens.... which is why they lost the war....

ppl on pain killers DO work and DO drive....

but going back to your other argument... you do know that their are 22million pot smokers in America right? yet some how i don't see airplanes falling out of the sky like you are predicting...

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#234 Dracargen
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Wow.

Amsterdam's economy was in no way negativley affected by legalizing cannabis, especially not in the manner you posted. Last time I checked, everybody in Amsterdam wasn't wandering around in a stoned daze (except maybe tourists).

AndrewSuh

Public drunkeness is illegal here. I assume it's the same in Amsterdam?

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#235 Dracargen
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I'm done here, and druggies need to face the facts: People actually have brains, and they value their function, and that is why drugs will not be legal anytime soon, whether a pothead minority likes it or not.

One last thing before I go: If drugs don't mess with your intelligence, then by all means explain this.

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#236 Aidenfury19
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Mess up short-term memory, throw off balance and coordination and reaction time, toxic psychosis (in extreme cases, I'll grant), respiratory illnesses (surprise! Smoking causes lung cancer!), and all for a nice feeling you can get with plenty of safe methods?

Dracargen

You need to start looking at the real facts, not what the FDA puts out. Its been known for decades that their "studies" were basically BS. Nobody has ever died from smoking a marajuana joint, every year dozens of people die from aspirin overdoses, this literally can not happen with marajuana as the quantities necessary would be nearly impossible.

Would love to see a source for the short-term memory jab and as far as balance and coordination and reaction time? Far more negatively impacted by alcohol than marajuana.

One last thing before I go: If drugs don't mess with your intelligence, then by all means explain this.

Dracargen

Not a real story, there were lots of scares about it but it was all so much hot air.

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#237 Shiggums
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One last thing before I go: If drugs don't mess with your intelligence, then by all means explain this.

Dracargen

your last argument is...**** water? This in no way relates to a medical marijuana debate. And that's not exactly a drug either...

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[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Mate, Cannabis is bad for you. I'm not saying this as some nazi. I'm saying from experience that it has very detrimental effects on you. Stop kidding yourself into believing it's fine.
mikeg0788

Mate, Cannabis is good for you. I'm not saying this as some hippie. I'm saying from experience that it has very beneficial effects on you. Stop kidding yourself into believing its harmful.



if you consider developing anger issues and slower coordination good for you, then yeah, its good for you.
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I can take Risperdal, which has the following side-effects: + Abdominal pain + Vomiting + Constipation + Diarrhea + Dry mouth + Sore throat + Abnormal walk + Agitation + Aggression + Anxiety + Chest pain + Coughing + Involuntary movements + Nasal inflammation + Decreased activity + Decreased sexual desires + Lack of coordination + Impotence + Dizziness + Dry skin + Difficulty urinating + Heavy menstruation + Tremor + Weight gain + Lethargic feelings + Join pain + Difficulty ejaculating + Tremor + Respiratory infection As well as the risk of Tardive Dyskinesia, which can be permanently disfigure, or I can smoke pot. Both my doctor and I agree that pot is the better alternative. Marijuana has been shown to alleviate the symptoms of Schizophrenia by regulating the Alpha Wave. And frankly, I don't care what anyone else thinks.
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[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

:lol:

"It's my parents' fault!"

"It's my wife's fault!"

"It's [insert complete stranger's name here]'s fault!"

Dracargen

Yeah, lets blame the drug and not the parent. After all, it's not like it's the parents fault they abused or mistreated their kids right?

Now you assume the parents mistreat the pothead kids? They certainly did something wrong along the way, since their idiot kids became potheads in the first place, but your original idea was:

"Your right to punch ends with my face"

Or something like that. Now that you see drugs don't just effect the user, you go and blame everybody but the user!

Drugs for life! One of the most brilliant people of out time was a pothead and his name was Carl Sagan.

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#241 Aidenfury19
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if you consider developing anger issues and slower coordination good for you, then yeah, its good for you.GUNpoint_

Anger issues from cannabis? That has no basis in fact, sorry it really doesn't.

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#242 Merkaba-
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I am for legalization of marijuana in its entiretylycrof

Win.

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#243 shivaskunk9mm
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[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]

if you consider developing anger issues and slower coordination good for you, then yeah, its good for you.Aidenfury19

Anger issues from cannabis? That has no basis in fact, sorry it really doesn't.

not only has it no basis in fact, it won't even fit withn the realms of reality. He could be talking about depression and psychosis, the "trump card" of the ideologically opposed. Heavy use can cause psychosis in the pre-disposed or latently depressed, but so can alcohol, to an even greater extent.
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[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

Yeah, never mind how the economy will be effected or anything, let's just let people do what they want. They want to make themselves too stupid to work? Let 'em. That'll help all of America's problems.

I never said anything about caffeine. . .I don't know enough about the drug to make an informed judgement.;)

Donkey_Puncher

We're on the issue of Pot. Pot would be nothing but HELPFUL to the economy if legalized. Like someone posted here earlier, companies would rage over the demand for the public and the government would tax the hell out of it. It would create jobs and the generate revenue for the private market and government.

As a secondary avenue towards legalization, there would be no more people being incarcerated for petty drug charges on weed, hence the prison system wouldn't be flooded with harmless pot smokers alleviating tax payers ONCE AGAIN.

Again, How on earth would it ruin the economy if pot were legalized?

I have asked this several times, and I will ask it again: If the legalization of pot can only benefit the government, then why has the government, who, according to a lot of pot smokers, will go so far as to outlaw it because of racial bias, not made it legal?

Do you think the government is too stupid to figure out what you have?

Do you think the government won't do ti because any official who supports drug usage will do so because of political suicide? There are far worse topics that are supported by more politicians. . .

They won't legalize it because of misinformation and the social stigma that comes with it. The war on drugs is a huge platform that most of conservative americans agree with, and most delegates and officials run on this issue. To answer your question, YES the government is too stupid to realize it.

But you still didn't answer my question, HOW WILL IT RUIN THE ECONOMY?

It's also political suicide for a politician to be in favor of the legalization of marijuana. Better to commit billions of taxpayers dollars to the "war on drugs" and act like they care to garner votes. The legalization of pot won't ruin the economy whatsoever. Moreover, those who wish to get pot can, and will whether it is legal or not. This is the point that should be emphasized: THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T DO A THING ABOUT IT.
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#245 EboyLOL
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[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

:lol:

"It's my parents' fault!"

"It's my wife's fault!"

"It's [insert complete stranger's name here]'s fault!"

nVidiaGaMer

Yeah, lets blame the drug and not the parent. After all, it's not like it's the parents fault they abused or mistreated their kids right?

Now you assume the parents mistreat the pothead kids? They certainly did something wrong along the way, since their idiot kids became potheads in the first place, but your original idea was:

"Your right to punch ends with my face"

Or something like that. Now that you see drugs don't just effect the user, you go and blame everybody but the user!

Drugs for life! One of the most brilliant people of out time was a pothead and his name was Carl Sagan.

In addition to Simon and Garfunkle (sp?), Bob Dylan... just about every groundbreaking improv/jazz musician, etc.
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#246 EboyLOL
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I'm done here, and druggies need to face the facts: People actually have brains, and they value their function, and that is why drugs will not be legal anytime soon, whether a pothead minority likes it or not.

Dracargen

I... am... not... a... druggie... I have never picked up any illegal substance of any kind ever, and I have no plans to do so. I am a 17 year old who is working on his Eagle Scout service project for Christ sake! In a previous topic, you dismissed all of the anti-prohibitionists as "hippies", when clearly over half of the advocates for the legalization of pot were clean! The reasons for the legalization of pot are strong and numerous. It cannot be simplified to "ur a pothed an u want ur pot lol stupit". Law enforcement has made NO IMPACT and will continue to do make NO IMPACT. It is an issue that cannot be solved by having money thrown at it.

My father is a deadhead. He has been to over 30 Grateful Dead concerts. He loves Jerry Garcia. While he does not admit to doing any drugs way back in the 70's, I speculate that he could have smoked pot a couple of times. Now, is he a piss-poor loser? A trashy individual? I burden to society? No. It may surprise you to know, Silver Dragon, that my father is the best spine doctor in the entire US of A. Your view on this subject is extremely skewed, and I certaintly hope that you knock off this condescending attitude that drug users are less than dirt.

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#247 Diablo112688
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People cant handle drugs being legal.. they are too stupid. If this was not the case.. then I would support legalization of all drugs.