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#1 BiancaDK
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There are 5 males for every 1 woman with an IQ of 130.

This curve is an exponential rise, in favour of men. That means the difference between men and women, who have an IQ of 140, 150, 160 etc. is a continually-augmenting disparity.

What gives?

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Hrm. That is rather astonishing.

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I could explain it to you, but since you are a woman, you wouldnt understand. You need a higher IQ. :P :lol:

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what would beyonce and Oprah say now...Hah!..... hehehe
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Hrm. That is rather astonishing.

MissLibrarian

not at all, we also hit the less favorable end with the same kind of disparity, also we know math.

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#6 punkpunker
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I feel that the IQ test is incomplete, does this thing include the rest of the world?

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#7 MissLibrarian
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also we know math.surrealnumber5
So hot.
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That sounds mind-blowing and WTF and all, but the objective-viewpoint, need-more-info part of me says that it could just conveniently be leaving out information. There could be 2 women for every man with a 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115 etc etc etc IQ, but there are five men for every one woman with a 130. If the trend isn't continuous and is a one-off, that means there could be 5 women for every one man with a 131 IQ. I need more info to fully believe that's not just an attention grabbing headline and nothing else.
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There are 5 males for every 1 woman with an IQ of 130.

This curve is an exponential rise, in favour of men. That means the difference between men and women, who have an IQ of 140, 150, 160 etc. is a continually-augmenting disparity.

What gives?

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the ladies have a much more phallic bell curve than men

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Because women are too busy about their looks and other little stuff that don't mean anything and probably can't be changed without a ton of money.

Jk.

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Who makes these IQ tests again?
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Who makes these IQ tests again? horgen123
specialists, what are you getting at?

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Who makes these IQ tests again? horgen123
You mean those ever so highly accurate ones on the internets? My IQ is 450 by those and I feel that they are spot on.
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Where did you acquire this information... could you provide source(s)? knowing how the numbers were gathered is important to the question.
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That sounds mind-blowing and WTF and all, but the objective-viewpoint, need-more-info part of me says that it could just conveniently be leaving out information. There could be 2 women for every man with a 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115 etc etc etc IQ, but there are five men for every one woman with a 130. If the trend isn't continuous and is a one-off, that means there could be 5 women for every one man with a 131 IQ.

I need more info to fully believe that's not just an attention grabbing headline and nothing else.XilePrincess

we also hit the less favorable end with the same kind of disparitysurrealnumber5

What this male said. ^

When you calculate the equilibrium of the spread (males have a larger spread than women), the difference in IQ scores, men and women respectively, is rendered insignificant (deviation of 5 to 8 IQ).

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In layman's terms, women are more likely to have an average IQ while men have a better chance at being above or below the average. Therefore, the average for men and women remain relatively the same (100), except the standard deviation is higher for men.

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Where did you acquire this information... could you provide source(s)? knowing how the numbers were gathered is important to the question. UniverseIX

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S019188690400385X

Peer-reviewed article by Dr.Phil Helmuth Nyborg, you can purchase the article if you're not a member of sciencedirect/sciverse.

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#19 BiancaDK
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In layman's terms, women are more likely to have an average IQ while men have a better chance at being above or below the average. Therefore, the average for men and women remain relatively the same (100), except the standard deviation is higher for men.

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Yes, but why do you think that is?

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#20 horgen  Moderator
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specialists, what are you getting at?

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If they are mainly made by men, couldn't that affect the outcome? [QUOTE="sonicare"] You mean those ever so highly accurate ones on the internets? My IQ is 450 by those and I feel that they are spot on.

Yeah those. Funny, I got one which told me I had 37. Felt right at the moment I did the test.
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#21 BiancaDK
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If they are mainly made by men, couldn't that affect the outcome?horgen123

The results are based on statistical data calculated with the utilization of a standard formula, and nothing else.

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#22 Zaibach
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Well this will make getting dates alot easier lol i kid.

but seriously, all my female friends are littke too smart if you ask me

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[QUOTE="horgen123"]If they are mainly made by men, couldn't that affect the outcome?BiancaDK

The results are based on statistical data calculated with the utilization of a standard formula, and nothing else.

Ah okay. Thanks for telling
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[QUOTE="UserBane"]

In layman's terms, women are more likely to have an average IQ while men have a better chance at being above or below the average. Therefore, the average for men and women remain relatively the same (100), except the standard deviation is higher for men.

BiancaDK

Yes, but why do you think that is?

idunno, but i can postulate with the best of em. could it be because men, in a hunter gather society, needed to be more adaptive and like in all evolution there are winners and losers?

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why do I get stuck knowing all the freakin smart ones?.... :(...or am I just that dumb?.....
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#26 BiancaDK
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Ah okay. Thanks for tellinghorgen123

You're welcome. (:

I don't know, but I can postulate with the best of them; could it be because men, in a hunter gather society, needed to be more adaptive, and like in all evolution, there are winners and losers?

surrealnumber5

Following this theory, why did men need to be more adaptive? Raising a child comes off as a fairly dynamic task, and so does successful socializing in a heirarchal culture.

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I feel that the IQ test is incomplete, does this thing include the rest of the world?

punkpunker

The results have been approved by an international trial of peer-review. The numbers stay true to the applied formula, in other words; this is legit.

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You're welcome. (:

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

I don't know, but I can postulate with the best of them; could it be because men, in a hunter gather society, needed to be more adaptive, and like in all evolution, there are winners and losers?

BiancaDK

Following this theory, why did men need to be more adaptive? Raising a child comes off as a fairly dynamic task, and so does successful socializing in a heirarchal culture.

raising kids might be dynamic but it is not life threatening or as tasking as being the primary laborer and risk taker. now if we men abandon women after mating i would expect you ladies to be bigger and instinctualy better critical thinkers.

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God I'm even more awesome now. Thanks for the thread.
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It basically had to do with genetics. Evolution does not always have a logical pattern, it just goes with what works. Men and women typically have the same avg IQ or even slightly higher for women, but men have a lower floor and a higher ceiling. So the dumbest and most intelligent humans are male. Why? well can't really say.. thats just the way it is
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why do I get stuck knowing all the freakin smart ones?.... :(...or am I just that dumb?.....Omni-Slash
you surround yourself with good company

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I don't know, but I can postulate with the best of them; could it be because men, in a hunter gather society, needed to be more adaptive, and like in all evolution, there are winners and losers?

surrealnumber5

Following this theory, why did men need to be more adaptive? Raising a child comes off as a fairly dynamic task, and so does successful socializing in a heirarchal culture.

biancadk

This assumes a larger IQ score generates a higher level of adaptability to ones environment. I'm not sure that would be shown to be true in a majority of circumstances. It's just as likely a higher IQ score could be negative to ones ability to adapt and socialize with their peers. Which would alienate themselves. And this is my point. It's advantageous for women to make themselves as socialy available to as many people as possible. Being too smart, or being too dumb, would not help them with this(I used the words smart and dumb rather relucantly. But I'm having a hard time coming up with a better word). I think that social roles and responsibilities would play a significant role in ones IQ score. Let's look at prudent behavior. A high IQ does not necessarily mean one would make prudent decisions that would result in the better care taking of ones family, or relationships within the community. A women that falls in the middle on the IQ scale, would be more adaptable to a wider variety of people.

Thank you for sharing your source above. I will definitely look into. People are a fascinating subject for me. I wonder what would happen if you looked at the IQ variation between women and men in a cultural isolated, and technologically deprived population, where the raising of children was shared between men and women on a communal level.

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[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]why do I get stuck knowing all the freakin smart ones?.... :(...or am I just that dumb?.....sandlot76

you surround yourself with good company

the absolute best....
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[QUOTE="sandlot76"]

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]why do I get stuck knowing all the freakin smart ones?.... :(...or am I just that dumb?.....Omni-Slash

you surround yourself with good company

the absolute best....

or maybe you're just lucky

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I believe Borat knew a Kazakh scientist that was able to explain why men are smarter than women.

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or maybe you're just luckysandlot76
just hope my luck never runs out....
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The tests could have a gender bias. Most standardized tests have a culture bias.

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Well isn't that interesting. :?
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The tests could have a gender bias. Most standardized tests have a culture bias.

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Doubtful. I'm not even sure how a "gender bias" would play out on a standardized test.
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The tests could have a gender bias. Most standardized tests have a culture bias.

lowkey254

everything that does not show everyone being exactly the same all the time must be absolutelyflawed and dismissed..... how politically correct of you...

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[QUOTE="lowkey254"]

The tests could have a gender bias. Most standardized tests have a culture bias.

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Doubtful. I'm not even sure how a "gender bias" would play out on a standardized test.

just ask the person who got the lowest score, they will tell you how the test was bias

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raising kids might be dynamic but it is not life threatening or as tasking as being the primary laborer and risk taker. now if we men abandon women after mating i would expect you ladies to be bigger and instinctualy better critical thinkers.surrealnumber5

Kids can be very, very tasking and laborsome, but granted, that's speaking on the emotional plane, not necessarily the intellectual plane. And hunting in a given environment would demand a somewhat fixed amount of effort, whereas kids hardly have a leniancy towards standard behaviour, thus a standard counteracting effort involved.

I'm going with your thesis, until a better argument has been provided. Thank you. (:

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The tests could have a gender bias. Most standardized tests have a culture bias.

lowkey254
how would you go about removing the bias? I think a more significant factor to the test would be to standardized the time of day people take the test. Knowing when they had their last meal, how well they've been sleeping, can all play significant factors in their score.
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This assumes a larger IQ score generates a higher level of adaptability to ones environment. I'm not sure that would be shown to be true in a majority of circumstances. It's just as likely a higher IQ score could be negative to ones ability to adapt and socialize with their peers. Which would alienate themselves. And this is my point. It's advantageous for women to make themselves as socialy available to as many people as possible. Being too smart, or being too dumb, would not help them with this. I think that social roles and responsibilities would play a significant role in ones IQ score. Let's look at prudent behavior. A high IQ does not necessarily mean one would make prudent decisions that would result in the better care taking of ones family, or relationships within the community. A women that falls in the middle on the IQ scale, would be more adaptable to a wider variety of people.

Thank you for sharing your source above. I will definitely look into. People are a fascinating subject for me. I wonder what would happen if you looked at the IQ variation between women and men in a cultural isolated, and technologically deprived population, where the raising of children was shared between men and women on a communal level.UniverseIX

You bring up a seemingly reasonable argument, so I'm going to adopt it for now. (:

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It basically had to do with genetics. Evolution does not always have a logical pattern, it just goes with what works. Men and women typically have the same avg IQ or even slightly higher for women, but men have a lower floor and a higher ceiling. So the dumbest and most intelligent humans are male. Why? well can't really say.. thats just the way it isSTAR_Admiral

I belive in cosmos, not chaos, so that angle is difficult for me to digest. (: I won't refute it though.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]raising kids might be dynamic but it is not life threatening or as tasking as being the primary laborer and risk taker. now if we men abandon women after mating i would expect you ladies to be bigger and instinctualy better critical thinkers.BiancaDK

Kids can be very, very tasking and laborsome, but granted, that's speaking on the emotional plane, not necessarily the intellectual plane. And hunting in a given environment would demand a somewhat fixed amount of effort, whereas kids hardly have a leniancy towards standard behaviour, thus a standard counteracting effort involved.

I'm going with your thesis, until a better argument has been provided. Thank you. (:

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But for every 5 woman there is 1 man with an IQ of 250.

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IQ test are not an accurate measure of a person's IQ so...
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IQ test are not an accurate measure of a person's IQ so...LordsLoss
But they do offer a strong correlation.
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]raising kids might be dynamic but it is not life threatening or as tasking as being the primary laborer and risk taker. now if we men abandon women after mating i would expect you ladies to be bigger and instinctualy better critical thinkers.BiancaDK

Kids can be very, very tasking and laborsome, but granted, that's speaking on the emotional plane, not necessarily the intellectual plane. And hunting in a given environment would demand a somewhat fixed amount of effort, whereas kids hardly have a leniancy towards standard behaviour, thus a standard counteracting effort involved.

I'm going with your thesis, until a better argument has been provided. Thank you. (:

If you consider intelligence to be a genetic trait, then you would have to have some type of natural selection that would allow those with higher intelligence to survive and breed preferentially. You could make the argument that those who rear children better will see more of them survive and thus pass on their genes, but that selection does not appear to occur along gender lines.