Men, women and IQ.

[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"]My point was that no IQ test can possible be indicative of ones abilities because of the nature of individuality. Somebody who specializes in art is likely going to score low in a test based around mathematics - but it doesn't make them any less intelligent or lacking in the ability to solve basic problems. It makes them different - not unintelligent which is what IQ tests suggest. Low IQ equals low intelligence. That's how people usually see it.BiancaDK

If you test a 5 year old girl, and the results show an exceptional IQ score, and the very same child grow up to be a highly successful woman, you've got nothing.

If you test 10.000 5 year olds, and the results show exceptional IQ scores amongst 100 of them, wait 20 years and then compare the living standards of the 100 whom showed an exceptional high IQ score, with the 9.900 who scored average or below average, and find that the average living standard of the 100 men and women who scored high as kids, is significantly higher than the average living standard of the 9.900 men and women who scored average or below average, well, then you've got something.

You've got an indication.

Music has a high correlation with mathematics - at least classical music does. So makes me wonder if that may be why?sonicare

Could very well be. If so, that would be fascinating to me. (:

Yes, but i'm talking about the individual, not the masses.Starshine_M2A2

That sounds mind-blowing and WTF and all, but the objective-viewpoint, need-more-info part of me says that it could just conveniently be leaving out information. There could be 2 women for every man with a 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115 etc etc etc IQ, but there are five men for every one woman with a 130. If the trend isn't continuous and is a one-off, that means there could be 5 women for every one man with a 131 IQ. I need more info to fully believe that's not just an attention grabbing headline and nothing else.XilePrincess

feminists :roll:

So persistant...

I theorise that the narrower bell curve of females is a result of the fact that in typical ancient Homo Sapien populations the principal role of female adults was child rearing and 'home keeping' so to speak. As a result of this, I think that evolutionarily speaking it would be more 'dangerous' to produce females with a diverse spread of IQs as the production of either really smart or really unintelligent woman would invariably endanger her role as a mother and house keeper. For males however, this selection pressure to produce 'stable parents' simply did not exist, or rather exists to a lesser extent than for females. If you are wondering about the evolutionary 'push' to produce a large range of IQs in males, all I can say is that I think that there may well have been selection pressures to produce super intelligent males that could produce all sorts of inventions which would benefit the population for generations to become far beyone the benefits that could be provided by a single lone hunter. These inventions would be few and far between but would be so beneficial that it would make up for the production of many unintelligent men an thereby form an evolutionary stable strategy.

Sorry for not presenting this theory so ineloquently, and of course it is probably all bull**** anyway.

[QUOTE="Wolls"]Hmm could be due to the majority of IQ tests being written by men and therefore favoring the type of intelligence that more men posses over women.. Still pretty interesting :)stanleycup98

fact that in typical ancient Homo Sapien populations the principal role of female adults was child rearing and 'home keeping' so to speak.MetalGear_Ninty

There is no way to know how ancient homo sapiens raised their children for sure. But I believe the evidence would point towards more of a communal responsability than an individual responsability of the mother. And for the mother to maintain important social links in order to provide the best possible up bringing of her child she would have to put herself in a posistion that was available and more open to more social connections. This all goes back to my original point I made about why females IQ's appear to have a smaller range of variation.

In before feminist blames the disparity on the decades and decades of being oppressed by men.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]fact that in typical ancient Homo Sapien populations the principal role of female adults was child rearing and 'home keeping' so to speak.UniverseIX

There is no way to know how ancient homo sapiens raised their children for sure. But I believe the evidence would point towards more of a communal responsability than an individual responsability of the mother.

[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]fact that in typical ancient Homo Sapien populations the principal role of female adults was child rearing and 'home keeping' so to speak.MetalGear_Ninty

There is no way to know how ancient homo sapiens raised their children for sure. But I believe the evidence would point towards more of a communal responsability than an individual responsability of the mother.

As to the validity of anthropology. Like any form of study it's a process. You can find numerous mistakes in almost all fields of study at some point in their histories. I'm not looking at theory or intepretation from 50, 100, or 200 years ago. I'm looking at the evidence that is available now. And there is a disparity between child rearing behavior. I don't think you could say for a fact that you know how ancient homo sapiens raised their children. You could mean any numerous things by ancient. Do you mean 10,000 years ago? 50,000 years ago? Where do you draw the line where this behavior developed? I don't propose that I have an answer to that question. But I think it makes the most sense to explain the data as it occurs now. And not some place in the past.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="UniverseIX"] I don't think that's necessarily a fact. I think that's an assumption based on the way we practice child rearing in our own culture. I believe that in ancient homo sapiens populations, when population sizes were smaller you'd find child rearing was more of a communal responsibility than simply the mothers. (you can see this example in a variety of historical cultures and present culture groups. It's pretty apparent when you look into anthropology that this does happen. IT can occur in a matriarchal based culture or patriarchal as well. So it's not necessarily limited to sex. There are cultures where the father biological father is not expected to have an role in the up bringing of a child, and it's the duties of the mothers brothers to insure a proper up bringing. If the biological father were to involve himself in the child life he would be looked down upon in the community as interfering. There are numerous examples involving a variety of child rearing responsibilities within particular groups of people.

There is no way to know how ancient homo sapiens raised their children for sure. But I believe the evidence would point towards more of a communal responsability than an individual responsability of the mother.

UniverseIX

As to the validity of anthropology. I'm not looking at theory or intepretation from 50, 100, or 200 years ago. I'm looking at the evidence that is available now. And there is a disparity between child rearing behavior. I don't think you could say for a fact that you know how ancient homo sapiens raised their children. You could mean any numerous things by ancient. Do you mean 10,000 years ago? 50,000 years ago? Where do you draw the line where this behavior developed? I don't propose that I have an answer to that question. But I think it makes the most sense to explain the data as it occurs now. And not some place in the past.

I agree with your first paragraph, and this is pretty much what what I was arguing (or trying to argue anyway)..

I've always been told that IQ doesn't really mean your smarter than someone

I've met people who had incredible IQ test scores...that turned out to be complete mouthbreathers.....Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"] I've met people who had incredible IQ test scores...that turned out to be complete mouthbreathers.....kussese

I find that rather interesting.

So...we won?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

I don't know, but I can postulate with the best of them; could it be because men, in a hunter gather society, needed to be more adaptive, and like in all evolution, there are winners and losers?

BiancaDK

Following this theory, why did men need to be more adaptive? Raising a child comes off as a fairly dynamic task, and so does successful socializing in a heirarchal culture.

Or something like that.

There are 5 males for every 1 woman with an IQ of 130.

This curve is an exponential rise, in favour of men. That means the difference between men and women, who have an IQ of 140, 150, 160 etc. is a continually-augmenting disparity.

What gives?

BiancaDK

Dang, thats surprising

Women watch American Idol and Jersey Shore. Men sit on internet forums philosophizing about the world's problems.

Intelligence is measured by the life you make...the people you meet....the friends you have...the positive you do for the world and those around you....not filling in pretty picture patterns and spending all your time trying to prove to people how smart you are..... I've met people who had incredible IQ test scores...that turned out to be complete mouthbreathers.....Omni-Slash

No no no It's not what you do but what your capable of.

its an evolutionary thing weezyfb

I doubt that. The female sex has not been "opressed" long enough for their intelligence to be affected.

No no no It's not what you do but what your capable of.

parkurtommo

lol The whole concept of IQ itself is funny.

Considering how few people have an IQ that high in general, I really wouldn't worry that much about it. When threads asking about IQ came up in the past, it's funny how a huge portion of people replying claimed to have one of 140+. :P

It's cuz guys have two heads, while women only have one.

Intelligence is measured by the life you make...the people you meet....the friends you have...the positive you do for the world and those around you....not filling in pretty picture patterns and spending all your time trying to prove to people how smart you are..... I've met people who had incredible IQ test scores...that turned out to be complete mouthbreathers.....Omni-Slash

Well said. Why would a highly intelligent person need to point out how 'smart' they are? That makes no sense to me. Some people tend to try and rub it in other people's faces, which doesn't really seem to be how most intelligent people usually behave. That just seems childish to me.

i blame the real housewives of *insert city name here*

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]Intelligence is measured by the life you make...the people you meet....the friends you have...the positive you do for the world and those around you....not filling in pretty picture patterns and spending all your time trying to prove to people how smart you are..... I've met people who had incredible IQ test scores...that turned out to be complete mouthbreathers.....shoot-first

Well said. Why would a highly intelligent person need to point out how 'smart' they are? That makes no sense to me. Some people tend to try and rub it in other people's faces, which doesn't really seem to be how most intelligent people usually behave. That just seems childish to me.

IQ tests are skewed towards men anyway. Chuck in a few questions on puppy fluffiness and stain removal and it will be an entirely different story.jimmyjammer69

to the best of my knowledge there is no study confirming men have a higher IQ than women. Im quite curious where you got this info.goldari

to the best of my knowledge there is no study confirming men have a higher IQ than women. Im quite curious where you got this info.goldari

[QUOTE="goldari"]to the best of my knowledge there is no study confirming men have a higher IQ than women. Im quite curious where you got this info.sonicare

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="goldari"]to the best of my knowledge there is no study confirming men have a higher IQ than women. Im quite curious where you got this info.goldari